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Orioles a step closer to choosing a venue for Spring Training (UPDATED)

Last night, the city of Sarasota voted to back Sarasota county's attempt to lure the Birds back to Ed Smith stadium, where they played from 1989-1991. The stadium was most recently the ST home of the Cincinnati Reds, but the Reds will be in joining the Cactus League in 2010, playing in Goodyear, AZ.

County Commissioner Shannon Staub said she was ready to say goodbye to baseball Wednesday. Then about two hours before commissioners were slated to talk about a deal that appeared to be all but doomed, the team’s lawyer called Staub and county officials to say that a less-expensive renovation of Ed Smith Stadium was "in the ballpark," said Deputy County Administrator David Bullock.

Previously, the county had rejected a $56 million offer and made a counteroffer of $33 million, which the team rejected. Commissioner Nora Patterson pointed out that the Orioles are willing to come down nearly $30 million from early talks.

"We are now at half of what they refused earlier," said Patterson, as commissioners voted to continue negotiations with the team.

Sarasota's main competition for the Orioles is Fort Myers, which would have the Orioles move into the City of Palms park in 2012 after it is vacated by the Boston Red Sox. At present, Lee county officials are waiting on a draft agreement from the Orioles. 

This article highlights some of the differences in the deals: Fort Myers offers better proximity to other ST teams (Red Sox, Twins, Rays), a younger (15 years old) and more modern stadium (with many weather-protected seats and a "party deck"),  and $1M lower annual operating costs. But Sarasota's $28M offer would give Ed Smith Stadium (20 years old, and "the Cadillac of Spring Training Facilities" according to its website) a good facelift, including the likely addition of a "party deck"; and since it sits on 50 acres, there is room around it to build practice ballfields, something the Orioles are seeking in an effort to make their player development more cohesive. In Fort Myers, the practice fields are a mile away.

Since it was the Orioles who called at the last minute (and agreed a lower number, no less), it would seem they are now seriously considering Sarasota's offer. As part of the offer Sarasota officials have demanded that the Orioles begin negotiating exclusively with them (i.e., cut off talks with other teams) by Friday, May 22 (three days from now). 

The Orioles have the option of standing pat and staying in Fort Lauderdale in 2010. However, if they decide they want to leave, they must exercise their out clause next month. 

UPDATE: The letter Sarasota sent to the Orioles is here

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Sarasota

is a beautiful town. I was down there twice for work this winter and was really surprised at how nice it was. I’m going to miss Fort Lauderdale though is they move. Sure the stadium is old, but it’s charming, in a duckpin bowling alley kinda way. But the real sell is the proximity to Miami and everything else in South Florida. There’s just a lot more to do around there. Although if I was a manager running a ST camp, that would probably be a negative.

by Jonny Pops on May 19, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I bowled a 130 on Sunday night

I was pretty pleased with myself. I think I had five marks in a row at one point.

by PhilR8 on May 19, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Duckpins?

5 Marks? Not bad at all.

I bowled a 150 once, but that was my top score ever. My brother, who has a weird knack for it, bowled a 180, which is ridiculous.

Hey where’s the best place for duckpins down here by the way? I’ve been bowling in CT for the past decade and a half and have only had the chance to hit Patterson Bowling Center on Eastern down here.

by Jonny Pops on May 19, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bowl at Stoneleigh in Towson

It’s a pretty sweet place. Sixteen lanes in the basement of a retail building, BYOB, real chill atmosphere. I just finished up a Sunday Night league and I think our team ended up in second place (we were first until the last few weeks, but then got fucked over by a team who would prebowl and conveniently get really high scores, but that’s another story). I’m about to start a Wednesday night summer league.

by PhilR8 on May 19, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go with Sarasota and build the fields.

It’s unacceptable that a MLB team would have to travel a mile to its minor league fields, let alone the hour-plus that the O’s currently have in Ft. Lauderdale.

Make the move to Sarasota. The fact it’s gotten to this point, whether other MLB teams refuse to field a team at the O’s facilities because they’re so bad, is an embarrassment to the franchise. This and the Dominican Academy should have been done more than a decade ago, if not before.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 19, 2009 4:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's the smart move

When visiting my Mom in Sarasota a few years back I saw a Reds exhibition game in Ed Smith stadium.

Good facility. Shouldn’t need that much renovation. And it’s a built in “something to do” when the kids & grandkids visit during spring break.

You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.

by sluggo 2.0 on May 19, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

IM 3 HOURS FROM THERE!!!

O’s should not move to Sarasota.They should move to VERO BEACH! This Place


Im just 30 minutes from there!

by south_florida_oriolesfan on May 19, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know, restraining orders are state-wide....

so I’d leave the HIRE JOHN GIBBONS! signs at home, wherever they move to….

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 19, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vero Beach

wants nothing to do with them.

It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez

by zknower on May 19, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or The O's should look for another site in JUPITER!


Im just 45 minutes from there. Make the Marlins go to Sarasota so they can be close to Miami and they get more attendance there. Or the O’s can share this Ballpark with the METS

I live 5 minutes from there. I can very easly buy season tickets to all O’s spring home games.

by south_florida_oriolesfan on May 19, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe the O's haven't consulted you yet

on what would be most convenient for your Spring Training viewing habits. They don’t deserve you.

There’s still time to be a KC Royals fan. They actually HIRED John Gibbons, you know! John will make sure their Spring Training games are played in your back yard, or he’ll find the scheduler and…

PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE!

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 19, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I cant believe you are an O's fan

You sound like a New Yorker,, A LOUDMOUTH . Mets and Yanks dont have fans. They have a bunch of drunken Loudmouths.

by south_florida_oriolesfan on May 19, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, this is just too funny on so many levels

Seeing “New Yorker” & Duck being connected in any context at all had me laughing to the point where I pulled something in my ribcage. (;-P

You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.

by sluggo 2.0 on May 19, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, Z!

Dude called me a Noo Yawker!

Explain to him just how ridiculous that is.

2632, chime in if you want. Stacey, you too.

All 3 can attest to my definitive non-New Yorkness as they’ve met me.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 19, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

duck : New York
=
apples : oranges lychee nuts
white zin : mustard gas
staple remover : shamwow
Jack Nicholson : bananas foster

I.e., there really is no comparison.

It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez

by zknower on May 19, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When we 1st met at University of Maryland

He thought my NY accent was bad. Except being originally from Toronto, it really wasn’t.

So I told him, “Just walk around campus & listen for a few days…”

You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.

by sluggo 2.0 on May 19, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trust me...

Iain’tnoNew Yorker….

Until 1 year ago, that was the view from my front door, across the street. Then I got a new neighbor. Now I have 10, up from 9. In a square mile. Wanna picture of the chicken houses I can see out of my back door? Supply your address, and I’ll send you solid proof. :)

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 19, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Theres no way you live in Carrol County. Why dont you just chat in the debate and stop putting your fellow O’s fan down. I aint no way rooting for Kansus City or anybody else. In 100% Pure Baltimore fan! I cheer for O’s,Ravens,Terps and BLAST!!!

by south_florida_oriolesfan on May 19, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't live in Carroll County

What gave you that idea?

And you must admit, your comment with the photos could come across as egocentric to the point of delusion. Why should the Orioels base their decision on where to hold ST based on where you live?

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 19, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cause i want to support them. 5 Years ago the Mets were gonna leave St lucie county and move to West Palm Beach. The Orioles were talking about comming here. But what happen??? The damn county commisoner had to give in to the Mets what they wanted. And im one of those who wanted the Mets to leave. The Orioles were so close to going to Vero Beach but Indian County commisoner did the opposite St Lucie County commisoner did. He wouldnt give in to Peter Angelos demands SO WHAT If it was gonna cost the county 55 million. SO WHAT? RAISE THE GOD DAMN TAXES!!!! St Lucie county raised the 1/2 % sales tax to pay for the Mets demands to keep em here. Im sick n tired of local politicans becoming nannies to us! Mets signed a 15 year lease from 2004 so am i gonna wait until 2019 before i see we can get the O’s another chance?

by south_florida_oriolesfan on May 19, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to slowly back away now....
He wouldnt give in to Peter Angelos demands SO WHAT If it was gonna cost the county 55 million. SO WHAT? RAISE THE GOD DAMN TAXES!!!!

OK…..I’ll be over here in the real world and you keep hanging out wherever it is you hang out.

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 19, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

 the orioles should base their entire spring training system: player development, “the Orioles Way”, evaluations, training facilities, &c. based on where you want to drive?

Dude, get the FUCK over yourself.

It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez

by zknower on May 19, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Glad to know it's not just me...

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 19, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been to florida once.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on May 19, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So where do you want them to go?

Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.

by duck on May 19, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be most convenient for me

If the O’s just went ahead and had spring training at Camden Yards. DO IT!

I’m smart, not a dummy. ~Adam Jones

by Stacey on May 19, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would prefer

Oklahoma City if we’re just tossing out ideas. Of course the Rangers may object but that’s of little concern to me.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on May 19, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have an extra five acres in my backyard if they would like to move a few miles north of downtown. If I can just figure out how to get them to raise taxes in florida to pay for it we’ll be money.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on May 19, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vero Beach or Jupiter. Negotiate with the Marlins to move to Sarasota.And the O’s can share Roger Dean Stadium with the Cardinals.

by south_florida_oriolesfan on May 20, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Camden Yards?

That’s a bit far for me… somewhere in Northern VA would be preferrable – like the park across the street from my house. They have ballfields, should work out nicely. That’s reasonable, no?

by Mountian Goats on May 19, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My only beef with Sarasota

Is that it will be a lot tougher to convince the wife to fly down there every spring.

Ft. Lauderdale is a much easier easy sell (with Miami and the Atlantic beaches) and it’s easy and cheap to fly to.

by dkdc on May 20, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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