O's 3, Tigers 6: Justin Verlander throws very hard
by Stacey on May 30, 2009 11:39 PM EDT
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The O's five game winning streak came to an end as their bats just couldn't make the most of their opportunities and the bullpen ruined the shaky but ultimately good outing by Jeremy Guthrie.
Early in the game Guthrie's stuff looked great. His pitches had a lot of movement and he was striking out people left and right. Despite that, he gave up two solo home runs, one each to Curtis Granderson and Clete Thomas. A third run would score on a single in the 4th. Guthrie finished 6 innings of work with an amazing 10 strikeouts but did not receive a decision.
The Orioles bullpen was not interested in being effective today. Matt Albers started the 7th in relief of Guthrie and immediately gave up a home run to Clete Thomas, his second of the day. Albers would allow another run in the 8th, and with the Orioles trailing 5-3, Dave Trembley decided to bring in Jamie Walker. I mean, why? WHY? WHY? JAMIE WALKER IS BAD AT BASEBALL! Clete Freaking Thomas was at bat again, and doubled in the 6th run of the game for the Tigers (charged to Matt Albers). Brian Bass came in to get the final out. Frankly, in my opinion Brian Bass is who should have been in from the get go, but what do I know?
This just in: Justin Verlander is good at baseball. He held the Orioles to just two hits in the first four innings, a single by Huff in the 2nd and a double by Nick Markakis in the 4th. Things were looking very grim, until when, in the fifth inning, one Matthew Wieters stepped to the plate. Verlander challenged him with the heat that he's known for, and Matt Wieters launched the ball into center field. Curtis Granderson raced toward the wall and I was sure it was gone. But Matt Wieters wasn't interested in proving that he can lazily jog around the bases. Instead Matt Wieters flew around the bases and got himself a triple. Excellent first hit, Matt Wieters! I look forward to seeing 3,000 more,
With Matt Wieters at third, that other rookie Nolan Reimold lined a single up the middle. As Matt Wieters scored easily, I saw the future, and it was good. Sadly, the present wasn't much to rave about. With Reimold on first and no outs, Cesar Izturis singled on a bunt that Melvin Mora would be proud of. Follow that with a Brian Roberts single and the bases were loaded with no outs. Now we're in business, right? WRONG. Young Adam Jones, who did not have a good night, had a horrible swing on a horrible ball and grounded into an even more horrible 1-2-3 double play. With runners on 2nd and 3rd and two outs, Nick Markakis struck out swinging. Sigh.
The Orioles would get another chance in the 6th. With one out and Melvin Mora on first, Luke Scott stepped to the plate. Verlander had managed to contain Luke for his first two at bats, but he would not be successful for a third time. I know that I use the word crushed a lot when it comes to Luke Scott, but there just isn't another word for what Luke did to the baseball. It was a no doubt HR off the bat and landed in the back row of the bleachers. It was gorgeous. Luke's 10th home run in 10 career games against the Tigers tied the game at 3-3, but that would be the last run the Orioles would get. After Luke's HR, Matt Wieters drilled a ground rule double into right center field and sadly he was stranded, but not before Adam Everett was seen trying to touch the hem of his jersey.
The Orioles last missed opportunity came in the 7th. After Brian Roberts walked and Adam Jones capped off his 0-5 night with a flyout to center field, Nick Markakis hit his 2nd double of the night. That put O's on 2nd and 3rd, but Aubrey Huff and Melvin Mora couldn't get the job done.
It was a frustrating night. Justin Verlander was good, but not great. The Orioles had plenty of opportunities but couldn't come through against Verlander or the other four pitchers the Tigers used today. Sometimes you have to tip your cap to a team who makes the pitches when they have to, but to have runners in scoring position and less than two outs so many times this game without coming through was hard to watch.
The O's and Tigers finish their four game series tomorrow as Jason Berken pitches against Edwin Jackson at 1:35 p.m., after which the O's head out to Seattle to see our old friend Monsieur Bedard.
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Made it to my first game of the year tonight.
And brought Mrs. KDFC along for her first MLB game ever; the poor girl grew up in the Forest Primeval, also known as Tennessee, where MLB is relatively unknown to the poor, benighted natives (I am of course, kidding, but they are all Orthodox Worshipers at the Church of College Football, and MLB is maybe like a dim 4th in their sports world).
At any rate, it was a good game, Os loss or no. We ARE seeing the future, and the future is way better than we have known for a long, long time. Some thoughts:
Wieters is awesome, but we all knew that.
Verlander is very, very, very good.
Detroit fans are mostly a classy bunch, but some idiot yelled “GO TIGERS” shortly after the “O” of the National Anthem. There’s a difference, jackass, is between 30 years of respectful tradition and your drunken “this’ll be so cool” idea.
Guthrie held it down and really had a good outing. I’ll take 6 IP, 10 Ks, and 3 R from our starters any time. Biggest problem was throwing so many pitches so early, but he worked out of trouble. Guts is, I think, going to ultimately be just as good as he was the past two seasons.
Mora has just got to go. He’s not a complete loss in the field, but he is a disaster at the plate, just a disaster. He has no plan, no chance to do any damage against good pitching, nothing; he’s totally overmatched. Stick a fork in him. I think we all knew that but it’ deserves to be said. Wigginton would probably acquit himself better there, but who knows how much.
Jaime Walker needs to be DFAd, tonight. He’s got NOTHING.
Brian Bass looked cool and competent and unworried. Dude might be a keeper.
Can’t wait to see more games this year.
"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008
Adam Jones is the tits.
by KenDixonFanClub on May 30, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Love what you wrote...
…But since you publicly stated that this is the first game you’ve been to and the O’s lost…It’s all your fault!!!
also Jamie Walker is the new Adam Eaton (he’s weighing us down, dump him…our right-handed relievers are better at getting out lefties than our ‘left-hand specialist’)
*No offense for blaming the O’s loss on you though
by Tetris on May 31, 2009 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard that fan too!
We were pissed. But what can you do?
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on May 31, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great to be there for the first and second of Wieters’ 3500 hits, not so great to be there for Adam Jones’ night of being very un-Adamjones-like.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on May 31, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And Luke is just insane right now.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on May 31, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was busy getting trashed at brunch and going to the New Museum
Then getting confused about what time it was and generally wandering around Manhattan. Now I’ve sobered up, and yeah, I’ve got regrets. Among them are missing Sir Matt’s first hit.
So it goes.
by pipkin on May 31, 2009 12:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like a pretty good day, though. I enjoy becoming inebriated and roaming cities.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on May 31, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Albers
Some how J Double U gets the brunt of the attack tonight while Albers remains unscathed. With one pitch he broke the Orioles spirit tonight.
by Kevin W on May 31, 2009 1:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I find it hard to get mad at Albers
The thing is that he’s nowhere nearly good enough to be on a Major League roster so I almost feel bad for him for having to go into a close ball game.
by whereswieters on May 31, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albers?
He started the year looking pretty rough, but it was his first pitching since rehabbing his severe injury. Since he’s gotten back from AAA he’s been pretty good, last night’s runs were the first he’s allowed.
Albers is the main culprit tonight, I agree. And in hindsight it is easy for me to say that he shouldn’t have been in there based on the oucome, but the fact is that Jamie Walker should NEVER be in there. It sucks that Albers had a bad night and was partially responsible for the loss, but every night is a bad night for Jamie Walker and to bring him in under those circumstances was simply ridiculous.
I’m smart, not a dummy. ~Adam Jones
by Stacey on May 31, 2009 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even think he's the main culprit. We scored 3 runs - that's not going to win very many games.
AJ, Nicky, Huff all had chances to drive in runs in big situations and failed. Izzy also made a crucial error, but again if you only score 3 runs you’re probably going to lose.
by O'sFan21 on May 31, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup...
i’ve always thought that this is going to be a team in a lot of 6-4, 7-5 games this year. w/ this pitching staff, it is VERY rare that 3 runs will get the job done.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 31, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luke is loving it
Wieters was superb though, not overly excited and he kind of had a “no big deal” attitude after pounding a couple of pitches. His plate discipline is amazing too. At times, it was kind of like “oh, shit, here comes his rookie mistake of chasing the verlander curveball” but he held off nicely and had some big two strike swings.
Unfortunately, once Adam hit into the 1-2-3 double play with the bases loaded, it was a clear sign that the O’s wouldn’t be able to pull one out of the hat. Also, I hate to say it, but Melmo is over the bend… five extra base hits all year is one sad statistic. I’d love to know the reasoning behind hitting him number five, he belongs in the eight hole with the way Scott and Reimold have hit and the way Wieters will hit.
by whereswieters on May 31, 2009 1:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
YES
Melvin belongs 8th. Like I was saying in the game thread last night, it’s a giant let down to get guys on base and be on a roll and then up comes Melvin to the plate to ruin the momentum while Luke, Matt Wieters, and Reimold are behind him.
I’m smart, not a dummy. ~Adam Jones
by Stacey on May 31, 2009 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are the 8 weirdos who voted for Guts for MBP?????
Luke I can maybe understand, but Guts? Get serious people.
by O'sFan21 on May 31, 2009 1:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
10K is worth being on the ballot.
I actually voted for Luke. Wieters will get lots of chances this year. Luke is on some kind of holy crusade lately. His home run today made me laugh out loud.
by typozzz on May 31, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is that...
10 homers in 10 games vs. the tigers?
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 31, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're kind of like the Birdland voting police
Elections in this country must drive you nuts. “Who are the weirdos who voted for X candidate???” Democracy is a funny thing.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on May 31, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guts voters probably didn't watch the game
His stuff actually overpowered him. The slider was great and the heater was jamming guys so it’s almost scary how many hits he gave up.
Very UnBirdland to get wrecked by Clete Thomas.
by whereswieters on May 31, 2009 1:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I missed the game, had to work.. but i voted for the mr. wieters because i thought it was the only choice.
What up?
by snakethejake on May 31, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clete Thomas is an Oriole Killer
This is my first comment, and Clete Thomas is new but jeez he’s killing us this series. He had the only RBI Thursday, he caught Wieters’s first contact on Friday and doubled up Mora with a gun from right and now this today. This is something to watch out for.
by Kjones on May 31, 2009 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guts was like Jeckell and Hyde last night
I’m smart, not a dummy. ~Adam Jones
by Stacey on May 31, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clete Boyer?
Just an editorial note, I’m pretty sure it was Clete Thomas that got a homer off of Guts, and not Boyer, either that or we need an exorcism at OPACY
by wishEYEhadCRABS on May 31, 2009 2:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I’ll fix it. Every time I wrote that dude’s name I started typing Boyer and then had to delete it, I guess because that’s the only other person named Clete that I’ve ever heard of. I thought I got them all but see that I was wrong. This appears to be my thing since the other day I called Brian Bass Kevin.
I’m smart, not a dummy. ~Adam Jones
by Stacey on May 31, 2009 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Future at 3rd?
I asked this question last week but unfortunately didn’t get an answer, I was wondering how 3rd baseman “Billy Rowell” was doing?? I’m not sure if he’s still in single “A” or what cause it seems he’s dropped off the radar w/in the last year or so… Before Wieters it seemed he was the “Big Gun” in the minors, but now nada, zip, slappo, nothing in utter words…….. So I was glad to see Wieters get off the snide and get his 1st MLB hit and a treble at that too, good job Matty now keep’em coming…. Also I’m impressed with Nolan Reimhold, man has he been on fire or what??? Man I’m starting to get excited about this O’s team, the only regret I have is that my main man Davey Johnson isn’t at the helm of this ballclub, because no-matter what anyone says I don’t think Dave Tremble Trembley is the man to lead this club into hopefully what will be a bright future……
by F4PhantomPhreak on May 31, 2009 2:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Diamond Dave is the future
Dude looks exactly like Captain Kirk, the William Shatner version that is. Denny Crane.
by Kjones on May 31, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Rowell isn't a 3B anymore
He plays for Frederick in the outfield. He’s having a decent year I think, and all hope isn’t lost for him, but I’m not holding my breath.
I’m smart, not a dummy. ~Adam Jones
by Stacey on May 31, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rowell couldn't stick at third
And as for this year, he started off very well but has cooled down since. The statistics pretty much tell the entire story with Billy, but he does still have age and a very sweet swing on his side. Rowell will become more of a fringe prospect if things don’t change in 2009, however this situation isn’t bothering many people with the emergence of all our pitching prospects along with Snyder/Reimold/Wieters.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on May 31, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some think that
Rowell has a sweet swing. However, his great form causes his swing to be very slow and very looooooooong. He does however have the prettiest strikeout swing that I have ever seen!
by sickuvitall on May 31, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have seen him more than a handful of times
And his swing definitely is long, but an artificial audit/evaluation leaves you with the impression that he is slow; I’d disagree and say that he has always had great bat speed, but his failure to make contact is his biggest inhibitor. The appearance of his swing is deceiving, believe me.
Rowell’s power is put on display when he actually puts the bat head into the ball, but his inability to do just that is what will break him.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on May 31, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Sickel's take
12) Bill Rowell, 3B, Grade C+: I will cut him slack due to youth, but at some point he needs to hit. Bad reports about makeup are troublesome.
Matt Wieters broke a bat last night. Nobody knows what happened to the ball.
by CoachOfEarl on May 31, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few things...
Bill Rowell is still in Frederick. He had a terrible year last year, both offensively and defensively. In fact, his defense was so bad that they moved him to right field…pretty much spelling his doom with our franchise. He is hitting slightly better this year, but not enough to even pay attention to. Bill Rowell-RIP!
I am also impressed with Reimold, but not so much with Reimhold.
Davey Johnson, as much as I respect what he has done, is simply too old to be a full time Major League manager. Trembley has his issues, but we need to stay consistent. We have had alot of managerial changes in the last decade, and the revolving door needs to stay shut for awhile.
by sickuvitall on May 31, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Birds Birds Birds Birds
I like the look of this Wieters kid, wow. Turned that Verlander Hi fastball around with what looked like complete ease..
Let’s go win this series today, boyeez
John tonight let it be Lowenstein
by Bizird Fan on May 31, 2009 8:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Walker is gone when Koji comes off the DL
This year lefties are hitting .429 BA with a 1.244 OPS. In 2008 it was .309 BA with 0.913 OPS. Jamie is a good guy, but just not on the mound. If Trembley is true to his word about performance being the way to get/stay onto the team, his days should be numbered. The days of keeping guys around for “veteran presence” are gone, right?
by drj on May 31, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Walker needs to go.
Maybe we can get a sub par prospect from a team on the deadline for him.
Big Numbers
by homerun013 on May 31, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's being pretty optimistic...
What up?
by snakethejake on May 31, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd give him up for a slap in the face right now
Matt Wieters broke a bat last night. Nobody knows what happened to the ball.
by CoachOfEarl on May 31, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bag of moldy baseballs?
"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley
by duck on May 31, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe some bats??
Although the guy that got traded for some bats died recently so I guess not so funny.
by O'sFan21 on May 31, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Committed suicide, actually.
"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley
by duck on May 31, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh was it actually suicide? I thought it might be an overdose, but suicide huh? That's a bummer.
by O'sFan21 on May 31, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right...
it was an accidental OD. I misremembered it.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-deathofabatman&prov=ap&type=lgns
"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley
by duck on May 31, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But did you see that trade we made last year
for Jaun Castro, a backup for a ok/sub par prospect
Big Numbers
by homerun013 on May 31, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Harbaugh is going to be at the game again tonight
If anyone is looking for an autograph.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on May 31, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How about just leaving him alone to watch the game?
"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley
by duck on May 31, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He walked up the aisles Friday night
Voluntarily shaking hands and signing everything/anything.
Harbaugh is attending these games as the Ravens coach, not just some other guy; John agreed to an interview with Amber, he made another appearance after the game, and Mattison was wearing a Ravens hat as well.
John’s appearance was probably coordinated by the O’s/Ravens front offices, and the coach knew full well what he was getting into and welcomed it.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on May 31, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad game, per se
I mean, if you expected the O’s to beat on Verlander, with his .380 OPSa in May and 12 K/9 on the season, you haven’t been paying attention. Luuke was the first person to go yard on JV in 8 starts, Wieters came within a foot of it twice, so really if you’re down on the offense, you’re being unreasonable. Leyland put forth his best pitching, which is very good, and the O’s still managed 3 runs on 11 hits.
The pitching…well, get used to that. I missed Guts as I was too busy eating crawfish by a pool, but a QS with 10K isn’t anything to bitch about really. The bullpen, well…
Matt Wieters broke a bat last night. Nobody knows what happened to the ball.
by CoachOfEarl on May 31, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And here is your lineup
Brian Roberts – 2B
Adam Jones – CF
Nick Markakis – RF
Aubrey Huff – 1B
Ty Wigginton – 3B
Luke Scott – LF
Matt Wieters – DH
Gregg Zaun -C
Robert Andino – SS
Wieters at DH makes sense.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on May 31, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does Wiggity really have to bat 5th?
Does DD have a month’s worth of lineup cards in Sharpie with 3B position there or something?
Matt Wieters broke a bat last night. Nobody knows what happened to the ball.
by CoachOfEarl on May 31, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wigginton getting playing time is just a joke
It’s not even like the guy is remotely hot or anything.
On a separate note, Pie has now completely been phased out of the lineup.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on May 31, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's as hot at Nick in May
Wig May: 246/279/431
Nick May: 231/278/435
Pie May: 250/308/444
I bet I know who has a better June though.
Matt Wieters broke a bat last night. Nobody knows what happened to the ball.
by CoachOfEarl on May 31, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Nick Markakis has earned the right to play through tough times
Wigginton hasn’t.
Fitting Pie in would most definitely have inconvenienced Dave, so logically he just inserted a wily veteran instead.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on May 31, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
Nick also hit 380/460/560 in April, and you can expect him to do it some more.
Pie will be playing for another team sometime soon. Other than his CF defensive abilities, there’s no reason or room for him, and there’s no way he’ll pass through waivers.
Matt Wieters broke a bat last night. Nobody knows what happened to the ball.
by CoachOfEarl on May 31, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's valuable to us as a fourth outfielder
And there probably isn’t a market for him.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on May 31, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wiggity wiggity wiggity
wizack
John tonight let it be Lowenstein
by Bizird Fan on May 31, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
luke scott...
needs to be batting 4th right now. i know lineups don’t make a WHOLE lot of difference, but, really…luke needs his ups while he’s in this groove and the team will benefit the most from it if he’s got dudes on base.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 31, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to keep coming back
to this and kicking the proverbial dead dog, but I stated that Jamie Walker was DONE before this season ever began and that he would cost us AT LEAST 5 games, likely more.
This statement was met with criticism, mainly backed by the pointless argument of “Who else do we have?”. I hope those who supported Walker and were in favor of giving him this year to rebound are happy with the results.
On a side note, Jamie Walker wears No. 32. This number just happens to be the preferred choice of one Matt Wieters, who is now forced to wear No.15. I understand that veterans get number preference over younger players, but shit Jamie, give it up already. Or how about we just cut his sorry ass so Baby Jesus can have what is rightfully his!
by sickuvitall on May 31, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't remember anybody supporting him.
by O'sFan21 on May 31, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
saying don’t cut him b/c we don’t have anybody else is not really supporting…more like damning w/ faint praise.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 31, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually fine with him being on the team.
Just so long as he never ever pitches in a game that’s closer than 6 runs. It’s absolutely absurd that they continue to use him in close games. I don’t know how anybody in their right mind could think that makes sense.
by O'sFan21 on May 31, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jamie Walker Ha Ha Ha
Stacey put it quite simply and accurately when she said,“Jamie Walker is not good at baseball”
truism
John tonight let it be Lowenstein
by Bizird Fan on May 31, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Without going back to old posts
and looking at specific names, because that isn’t necessary, I will just say that there were some regulars that explicitly stated that Walker deserved this year due to the fact that he was okay in his first year with us.
by sickuvitall on May 31, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't remember
if I’m one of the people you’re thinking of, but at the beginning of the season I didn’t think Jamie Walker should be cut from the team. Yes, he was bad last year, and yes, he’s getting older. But relievers are generally speaking volatile from year to year and considering the money invested in him it was worth giving him a shot on a year when the Orioles are not expecting to be competitive. Best case scenario he got back to form and could be traded at the deadline. Worst case, well this is it.
But Jamie Walker is an easy guy to root for. But I think that it’s safe to say that Jamie has gone round the bend and won’t be back.
I’m smart, not a dummy. ~Adam Jones
by Stacey on May 31, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how he's easy to root for. He's obviously not a hard worker and he's horrible.
by O'sFan21 on May 31, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just curious...
How is he “obviously” not a hard worker? Do you have inside info that he sleeps in the clubhouse all day instead of watching film?
Yes, he’s horrible. But stating as an absolute that he doesn’t work hard seems a bit hyperbolic.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
by Brotz13 on May 31, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in fact...
there’s a roch or melweski entry about how instead of chilling out after the game last night, he went back to watch video of the detroit hitters and his pitching.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on May 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going based on how ridiculous he looks out there.
He’s obviously not a real hard worker in the gym since he looks like a weak old man. I guess I should have clarified that.
I know there are a bunch of people on this blog who don’t think that being in optimum shape helps as a baseball player, but I disagree strongly.
Looking at tape and preparing for hitters is great and all, but as a pitcher running and gym work is huge and I would guess he’s not much for it. I guess it is just that a guess.
by O'sFan21 on May 31, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And would Tim Linecum would win a bench contest against
any bat boy in the league?
And man, CC Sabbathia’s really doing the crunches each day, huh?
We weren’t saying anything about Jamie’s work ethic the two weeks or so he was getting batters out earlier this season, or two years ago. He didn’t suddenly get lazy in the last month.
He just can’t pitch effectively anymore. Doesn’t make him a bad person or a lazy pitcher. Beating your wife in public like Brett Myers? Yeah, that makes you a bad person. He may be an effective pitcher, but he’s a bad person.
But failing to get out MLB hitters? That just makes you a bad pitcher, not necessarily a lazy one or a bad person.
"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley
by duck on May 31, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yes, I KNEW I'd type Tim Lincecum wrong...
"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley
by duck on May 31, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have fat and strong (CC) than skinny and weak (Walker).
And Lincecum is wiry strong – I hear he’s a hard worker in the gym.
And just for the record, for the two weeks he was getting hitters out I attributed it to luck. Since he’s awful.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 1, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we agree he's awful
I just disagree that he’s lazy.
"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley
by duck on Jun 1, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's easy for me to root for him
because he’s a cool dude. He tells it like he is, he owns up to his mistakes, he doesn’t bitch and moan, he buys Koji cowboy boots, stuff like that. He’s likable. And I have never, ever heard that he doesn’t work hard.
I’m smart, not a dummy. ~Adam Jones
by Stacey on May 31, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because he's bad doesn't mean he doesn't put forth effort
He just doesn’t have it any more. Doesn’t mean he’s not trying.
"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley
by duck on May 31, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Most people recognized that Walker is earning nearly $5 million, so it’s understandable for the front office to keep him on the team.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on May 31, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes the mistakes
that you admit to are the easiest ones to learn from. By not admitting that they made a mistake, we are now stuck with Walker as our lefty “specialist” rather than just eating his salary and moving on to something…anything else.
by sickuvitall on May 31, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Name the anything else
Seriously, if we have a lefty at Norfolk ready to take that role, bring him up. I’d throw Jamie overboard in a second. He’s just not getting it done.
"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley
by duck on May 31, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You and I both know
that there is no immediate answer to the issue. The closest is Wilfredo Perez in Bowie, who we will likely see next year.
That said, I would rather buck the numbers and put in an effective righty to face left-handed batters than continue to waltz Walker out there like he is actually going to do something.
At this point, I think Mark Hendrickson might even be more effective than Walker…and that is just absolutely terrible.
by sickuvitall on Jun 1, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nadal lost at the French Open
whoda thunk it
John tonight let it be Lowenstein
by Bizird Fan on May 31, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone gonna put up a game thread?
I will in a few minutes if not.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on May 31, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's on its way
I’m smart, not a dummy. ~Adam Jones
by Stacey on May 31, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, did I screw you up again?
"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley
by duck on May 31, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roch is so damn lovable
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on May 31, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I liked what he was saying about Pie
Pie is now the 4th outfielder and that’s how it is. Rather than be sullen about it the way a lot of Orioles have been in the past, Pie is enjoying the winning and keeping a good attitude and still working his butt off for when he does get in the game.
I’m smart, not a dummy. ~Adam Jones
by Stacey on May 31, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was spot on about that
Would we rather have Felix pouting in a corner, convinced of his own greatness? Or enjoying his time with the big club, putting in the time in the cage (Roch said he was here at 9:30 am today to get work in) and learning from those hitters around him?
I’m glad his head’s in a place he can still enjoy being on the team and still try and get better.
"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley
by duck on May 31, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Went to the game
was in section 70, 2nd row, 1st 2 seats clostest to the foulpole. Some guy that looked a LOT like Duck was sitting in front of me and was very O’s smart. Had quite a good chat with him. Wieters was a beast and Luuuuke is unblievable. Oh, and got my nice new grey “Baltimore” Wieters shirt. Awesome.
Also, if you go by Pratt St. Ale house and want a delicious girly drink, ask for the Wieters Welcome. My girlfriend and I helped name it along with Tim and Kim behind the bar. Good times.
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on May 31, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If he was VERY O's smart
Then it obviously wasn’t me. :)
"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley
by duck on May 31, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really thought it was
I guess since I saw a pic of a few of you, I had to try to find someone I knew, and it just landed right in front of me. I kept dropping CC hints to see if he’d pick up on them, such as calling JW Jaimie Walker Boy! , Aj Dr. Jones, and telling everyone after Wieters hit the triple that Matt Wieters can hit and they should all DEAL WITH IT!. No avail. Oh, I also tried trashing on Neil Young,as I do that often. Oh well.
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on May 31, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trashing Neil Young?
I would have fought you….IN PUBLIC!
"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley
by duck on Jun 1, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you, yeesh...
before heavy metal, neil young created some of the filthiest sounds to come out of a geetar amp. dios mio…those rust live records are outstanding.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jun 1, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense
You have the right to your opinions and all (even if they are wrong), but I just think he is probably THE most overrated “artist” of all time, and I dont even really think he’s rated that highly. It may sound filthy, but not in a good way.
In any event, different strokes for different folks no doubt.
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jun 1, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
I should stop talking about music on this blog, as I think I make way more enemies than friends by doing so. Pretty much as long as no one asks me about Springsteen or Neil Young, I think i’ll be safe.
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jun 1, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no offense...
why would i be offended by how wrong you are? HA!
no, really, there have most likely been billions and billions of characters written about who the most overrated artist of all time is and springsteen and neil young probably end up in there a fair share. whatever, y’know?
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jun 1, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consistancy?
I know we have had alot of managers in recent history, and you say “the revolving door needs to be shut for awhile” but I say if you have a manager thats “Timid” in his decision making then is it still right to leave him at the helm?? Look I’ll be the first to stand up and say that Dave Trembley is a nice guy, but as we all know “Nice Guys Finish Last!” Look at every club in MLB, the successful ones have established managers that we all know, not all of them mind you, but most, meaning managers like Jim Leyland, Dusty Baker, Lou Pinella, Joe Torre, Bobby Cox, that moron from Bum-Sox, etc…etc…etc… I just think this current crop of O’s needs a wise, talented, “Been there before, done that” type of manager. I’m sure alot will disagree with me, and hey thats cool thats what its all about, but I still don’t think he’s the man for the job, just as I thought Perlozzo wasn’t the man either, thank God they understood that as well. Well have at it y’all!
by F4PhantomPhreak on Jun 1, 2009 1:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there are many folks here
who will go to their deaths defending Dave Trembley’s decision making. I don’t think he’s the worst manager we’ve ever had (coughmazillicoughcough) but I don’t think his handling of the bullpen is always top notch, I loathe bunts and hits-and-runs with all the fury in my soul and Dave seems to like them, and the team won’t stop making dumb outs on the basepaths, so those are some marks I find against Dave.
At the same time, it’s only just now and hopefully into the future that Dave has a legitimately talented club to play with, hopefully with more and better pitching coming from the minors in the following weeks, so maybe we don’t yet know what he can do. Even the best or worst manager, strategically, affects maybe 3-4 games a year one way or another, or so many smart people have written. I think the unquantifiable psychological job of the manager is almost more important. Look, say, at Charlie Manuel with Philly; horrible strategic manager, great motivator, the players love the guy to death, and they won a WS with him. Can’t fault those results. Can Dave be another Charlie Manuel? I don’t know, but the team is certainly playing better for him right now.
That being said, not all those managers you mentioned are really any good, especially Dusty Baker, who I would certainly never want near our young pitchers. Thankfully he has a job.
Ultimately I don’t know if Dave IS the man for the job, but I don’t know that he isn’t, and I have no idea who we’d replace him with.
"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008
Adam Jones is the tits.
by KenDixonFanClub on Jun 1, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time we ran a hit and run? I can't remember one.
Good point though about Dusty Baker – he’s horrible!
by O'sFan21 on Jun 1, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We attempt to
hit and run quite often, it just normally fails miserably.
by sickuvitall on Jun 1, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your
problems with Trembley…I share many of the same sentiments. However, if we would out-of-the-blue just change managers, I think it would be detrimental to the team’s young psyche.
I will say it again, we NEED to establish consistency. Fans are going to find faults no matter who is in the managerial position. Sometimes Dave tries to get to fancy and “overcoaches”, despite the fact that he claims to be a hands-off type that prefers to just let the players play.
He isn’t the best ever, but he is what we have right now. If he continues to sputter after the front office gives him all the talent in the world, then we make a move.
by sickuvitall on Jun 1, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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