Orioles 11, Braves 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Brad Bergesen!
by duck on Jun 14, 2009 7:23 PM EDT
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PrintSure, the Orioles scored 11 runs today. Ty Wigginton, of all people, hit 2 home runs. Robert Andino continued to hit the ball like he wants to personally take the nameplate off Cesar Izturis’ locker. And even gregg zaun hit enough to make me think, think, mind you, about returning all capital letters to his last name. It’s gonna take a lot more to get that exclamation point back, zaun.
But the star of the past month continues to be one Brad Bergesen. CC member Aldoran ran the numbers, and they look good. In his last four starts, here’s what Brad has done:
32 IP, 22 H, 5 BB, 6 ER, 15 K, 1.69 ERA,0.844 WHIP, 3.0 K/BB
The Orioles won on a Sunday. They won a series finale. They won the day before a day off. They won with a multi-substitute lineup. And they won against one of the National League’s better starters thus far this season. Did you know Derek Lowe had six quality starts before today? I knew he was throwing well, but, well, he sure didn't today, did he? Last team to knock him out before the 3rd inning? You guessed it, the Orioles in 2004. Really.
Baseball sure is a lot more fun than it was 48 hours ago, huh?
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Bergesen has been simply amazing!
I love watching this kid pitch. I can’t wait for his next start.
Geaux Eaux's
With all of the prospects in the system
all hit, he could be soon be the fourth starter.
He doesn’t really have ace stuff, but he’s looking like the type of guy who could be a good No. 3 for years. And years.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
His last 3 starts have been solid.
Whatever he is doing he is doing it right.
by John Stephens on Jun 14, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
even he says
that when he’s on, he’s a Brandon Webb kind of pitcher. He’s been out-pitching Brandon Webb his past four starts.
Down the road, if this guy becomes our fourth starter, think about what that says about the rotation (I still think he’ll be the five behind Guthrie, Tillman, Matusz and Arrieta.)
3 for 3?
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Jun 15, 2009 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Brandon Webb???
I think we need to slow down a bit.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 15, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Ugh
maybe I just shouldn’t ever throw names in. I was saying that when he’s on, he’s a “Brandon Webb kind of pitcher.” His stuff sinks and he pounds the strike zone a la Webb. I’m not saying he is or ever will be Brandon Webb. But just to note, I said that his first ten starts remind me of Garrett Olsen last year. Again, I’m not saying he is Garrett Olsen (he doesn’t have the same kind of stuff or poise or whatever), but that it reminds me of Garrett Olsen.
is that so wrong?
I think perhaps
I should go away for the weekend and ignore the Orioles more often.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
C'mon fellas
Bergie’s old news! Wiggy’s TWO homeruns?!? That’s Birdland!!!
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
If Bergesen is old news....
sign me up for a subscription every 5 days!
"I don't have a hit-and-run sign, and I believe it's the worst play in baseball." - Earl Weaver
I'm really struggling to understand somebody voting for Andino.
Wigginton is a ridiculous choice too, but at least one that I can sort of understand. This should have been unanimous.
Did you SEE who we ran out there at SS last year?
A competent performance by either Cesar or Robert is going to garner a few MBP votes after watching the Sucktacular Six last year.
"I don't have a hit-and-run sign, and I believe it's the worst play in baseball." - Earl Weaver
Dude made some great plays
It’s not that crazy.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Jun 14, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
and he drove in 3 runs, stole HOME
Leslie: Isn't it nice when your good fortune makes others miserable?
Wolowitz: You know, most people don't get that!
~ Big Bang Theory
Yeah stealing home is pretty birdland
But I love me good pitching. I voted BB King
by John Stephens on Jun 14, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, tis your choice
overall in my grand scheme of mbp.. it went something like
CG shutout
CG, gave up 1 dong
Adinio’s day today
CG, gave up 2 dongs to the same guy
Leslie: Isn't it nice when your good fortune makes others miserable?
Wolowitz: You know, most people don't get that!
~ Big Bang Theory
It was heads up baserunning for a change
At least on Adinio’s part. Brian Roberts may have something to answer for…
"Whether your name is Gehrig or Ripken, DiMaggio or Robinson, or that of some youngster who picks up his bat or puts on his glove, you are challenged by the game of baseball to do your very best day in and day out. That's all I've ever tried to do."
I love that you maintain the negative outlook...
even when the Os do good.
by John Stephens on Jun 16, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Not even slightly negative. I'm just not all excited about that play. Since it wasn't good.
The pitching was great, the offense was great, the defense was great. I’m ecstatic about that. But that doesn’t change the fact that Andino’s “steal” of home was not that impressive and more of a defensive blunder than anything else. If realistic is negative, then sure I’m negative.
On a team who has not been able to figure out base running for the last 10 games, yeah its impressive.
by John Stephens on Jun 16, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
So a guy hits a deep ball in a game
Its just short of going over the fence. The fielder jumps up to grab it, it hits his glove, and it goes over the fence. You don’t celebrate the hitter hitting a HR?
Andino SAW their mistake and took advantage of it. Its a heads up play and I think its impressive on a team that seems to get almost as many players out on base as out at first.
by John Stephens on Jun 16, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh???
That’s not at all comparable. What IS comparable is a guy hits a pop up between SS and LF and nobody calls it and they both back off and it falls for a “double” in the boxscore, but everybody in the world knows it’s not a double.
Andino didn’t see any mistake and then decide to go – the mistake was made after he went.
YES
I will say that Bergy might be an easy vote over Andino and Wiggy for some, but Wiggy over Andino certainly isn’t. Andino has been Birdland as all get out lately, especially on defense.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
it's sorta like...
when the o’s had bordick and reboulet. two competent shotstops…wowsers.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jun 14, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
The mustache...it's calling to me...
It says, “Go tell Randy Johnson he’s a punkass sucka.”
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
i believe...
that team also featured raffy’s super sweet stache and i don’t think i have to remind anyone about the power of the millstache.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jun 14, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell, you’re talking to someone whose fantasy team is named the Alan Mills Project. Preaching to the choir.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
haha...
that’s a good one. backin the day, rhodes and mills were potent, moustachioedbullpen comno. as they say in iraq, they had moustaches you could land an eagle on.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jun 15, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Wiggy isn't ridiculous
He falls under the “unexpected performance” part of Birdlandery.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
C'rect. Also under the Not Bloody Likely to See THIS Again category. And he scored some I Dumped On Him Yesterday guilt, too.
So great game for the Ham Burglar’s son, no question, but I voted for him with my second ballot rather than the first. Sure hope he isn’t pissed…
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Dino saved a few hits out there IMHO
And did some hitting of his own. Also, some good baserunning. If he was slow, Bob woulda been picked off in that rundown.
Andino MBP.
Matt Wieters broke a bat last night. Nobody knows what happened to the ball.
CG dominance is waaaaaaaaaaaay more Birdland than either Wiggy (2 HRs...in a game where we score 11) or Andino.
The “steal” of home was more defensive incompetence than Andino doing anything particularly skillful. Not sure what you mean about “if he was slow Bob woulda been picked off in that rundown”, since Brob WAS picked off…
no way
to be “picked off”, you have to be tagged out. without the putout, it’s no different than a throw to first where you get back on time. except with a few extra throws thrown in. or to put it another way, the braves attempted a “pick off” play, but were not successful, so the runner wasn’t “picked off”.
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
I disagree. He very much got picked off - they just tried to get the out somewhere else instead of tagging him out.
That’s like saying you didn’t make an out when you hit into a force out. It’s different than when you get picked off but break right away and beat the throw to 2nd. He was 100% going to be out if they didn’t throw home in an attempt to get a play somewhere else. He was picked off.
How do you disagree with the boxscore?
It is the boxscore. It balanced, and it was proofed. It was approved by the commissioner of major league baseball, and it has been over 24 hours since, so no changes can be made. Ever.
It’s the BOXSCORE. I know what you are trying to say. You’re trying to say that although everything worked out, Brian Roberts probably made a mistake, and Andino bailed him out. But you can’t just go walking around proclaiming that there are 4 outs in an inning.
The scorer has the rule book with him. What is a “pick-off” what is a “home run” and what is a “stolen base” are defined in the rule book.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Jun 16, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
PIckoff - A play in which a runner is caught off base and is put out by a quick throw, as from the pitcher or catcher.
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
by Graham71681 on Jun 16, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
http://www.answers.com/topic/pickoff
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
by Graham71681 on Jun 16, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
The boxscore is not the be all and end all of the game.
And in this case I don’t think the box score accurately describes what happened. But if the box score is all you care about, then yes you’re right Andino stole home in the exact same vein as Jackie Robinson did and Roberts ran the bases perfectly. Enjoy those rose colored glasses.
Oh and I’m DEFINITELY not trying to say that Andino bailed him out – not sure where you got that one. I was saying that he was bailed out by a defensive blunder. Which, to anybody that’s every played baseball and practiced thousands of first and third plays, is painfully obvious. But I guess if you want to think that the O’s, in all their baserunning skill and ability, orchestrated some sort of effective fake steal/steal of home, then have at it. Whatever floats your boat.
I'm with you
I was following the game on my phone in the car, and when I saw that Andino stole home I was very excited and sad that I missed it. Then I saw the play and it was nothing like I imagined. Roberts got caught leaning, Andino took off for home, the SS (or 2B) I forget, made a mistake. He was like an inch from tagging Roberts and he threw home instead. It may technically be considered a stolen base for Andino, but that’s not what really it was. It’s like if an outfielder misplays a fly ball and it sails over his head, it’s technically a double, but really it’s the defenders fault.
I’ve never played baseball or practiced thousands of first and third base plays and I could see that.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
First reaction
while watching with a Braves fan…
“ehhh…TECHNICALLY it’s a stolen base.”
I think it pretty much got Yunel benched and that was amusing.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I'm not saying Bergy wasn't awesome with the CG
but 3Ks means your defense is backing you up for the other 24 outs. There was a lot of fine defense that didn’t show up in the boxscore.
BRob was caught in a rundown but got out of it thanks to Dino hauling ass for the plate. Sure it wasn’t a straight steal of home ala Jackie Robinson, but it was a steal of home, and it scored a run, which we need to be doing more of. Wigout, Huff, etc. wouldn’t have made it. Dino had the speed.
Hey, I like our shortstops, OK?
Matt Wieters broke a bat last night. Nobody knows what happened to the ball.
by CoachOfEarl on Jun 15, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol it was a total defensive miss-cue. You practice that play every day starting in little league.
It should not work in the big leagues. Defensive lapse.
There were a ton of groundball outs yesterday. I wouldn’t exactly say that the defense was bailing him out all night.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
not bailing out...
but working in tandem. there is a certain baseline competence a defense must have for a sinkerballer to succeed.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jun 15, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I read CoachofEarl as, if the defense not played extraordinarily good then Bergnsen would have given up 8ER in 4 IP.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I'm not trying to go to that extreme
but lets say there were a couple of excellent defensive plays that, had they not happened, would have gone for hits and maybe even scored runs. This leads to more batters faced with more men on base, leading to higher pitch counts and more possibility of more hits/runs. So maybe BB only pitches 7-8 innings without those plays.
I certainly wouldn’t say that the defense was bailing him out all night, esp since it was a day game :) But I do think that defense is underrated, even with statistics like UZR and +/-.
My original point was that I’m not crazy for voting for Andino because he showed good defense, good offense, both on the basepaths and at the plate.
Matt Wieters broke a bat last night. Nobody knows what happened to the ball.
Word.
I like having MLB caliber SSs. SSs seems weird.
I think that the youngsters are going to have a hard time pushing Bergensen completely out of the rotation.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
BERGESEN!
yeah, it depends, y’know? as of now, i’d say hill, berken and guts have the most tenuous grips on their spots and berken would probably be the first to be sent down b/c he has options.
obviously, when trades start coming through the wires, things will get shuffled, too.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jun 15, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish I'd seen
Bergesen in Frederick. Hope this guy doesn’y have too much of the sophomore slump next year.
by Afghanistan Steve on Jun 15, 2009 3:51 AM EDT reply actions
Thinking too far ahead?
I say let’s get him through the ‘2nd time around’ slump when he gets back to pitching to the League that has seen him before. Then let’s move on to worrying about next year.
Not saying I’m not pumped about the guy — hell, I’m pumped simply that we’re back to bringing up pitchers from AAA like the Lord intended — but I worry about success in teams’ first looks. Travis Driskill was once 5-0 after 2-3 league starts then interleague, right? Not a great comparison, the rest of his line was not anything like what duck quotes above. But we’ve seen a lot of guys look nice a few starts then…
Has there ever been a cooler Oriole than Eddie Murray? I mean, just straight up cool. Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08
by 33 on Jun 15, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Small sample sizes and such, but...
He faced Seattle twice in a week.
First start: 7 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 3 K, 3 BB
Second start: 8 IP, 5 H, 0 ER, 6 K, 0 BB
Granted, the Mariners are not the Yankees (they’re not even the Blue Jays), but the kid passed that test. I’ve got no problem with a little giddiness when a rookie allows five hits in each of his last three starts, especially given how painful the past few weeks have been.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
I completely agree with this guy
as a Doctor would say, I’m “cautiously optimistic” after 11 starts.
Really
wanted to vote Wiggington and if Bergensen had gone 7 IP or given up 4ER instead fo 2 I may have…but c’mon…a 5H CG?!?! That’s BIRDLAND. Deal with it.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Oh!
And with winning the last two I win a bobblehead from my braves friend. Unfortunately he gets to pick the bobblehead so I’m betting it’s a raffy or sosa bobblehead. He really wanted to find a Newhan bobblehead but luckily they don’t just make bobbleheads for everyone.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
You could gety Jay Gibbons!
But he’s not on sale (go figure)
http://www.starstruck.com/Orioles-Bobbleheads--58912575PG.html
uh-oh...
I hope my buddy doesn’t find this. Part of the bet was that the winner didn’t get to pick and it had to stay under $20. I also lost a pair of Old Navy flip-flops and a six pack of beer of the other guy’s chosing in the last month. I DESERVED to win at least one. Of course, I’m still nursing the jumbo box of Flavor Ice I won last season.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
oh, flavor ice...
i DO so love ice cream novelty season.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jun 15, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
well, i'm sort of a traditionalist...
fanciest i get w/ my novelty is a chipwich.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jun 15, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a link
http://mysite.verizon.net/~thehelsdons/CC/MBP.htm
It’s on the left sidebar whenever you want to check it. Looks like it hasn’t been updated since May 31st, though. dayzd is the one who has been keeping it up.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Or a shorter one
http://thehelsdons.tripod.com/MBP
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
Yeah
It’s updated through Saturday. Stacy, you may need delete your cookies or something.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
oh so you're right
I just had to refresh. My apologies for ever doubting your promptness :)
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
love the progress but...........
I love what’s going on around here with the O’s actually showing some mustard when putting it on the line. This period when things aren’t going so good reminds me of the Penguins period recently when they were even threatened with bankruptcy…but look where they are now!!! I have faith and hope. And that’s all you can ask for.
I'm a Caps fan
I’d rather not look where the Pens are now.
"I don't have a hit-and-run sign, and I believe it's the worst play in baseball." - Earl Weaver
For those not into hockey
For a Caps fan, seeing the Pens with the Cup is something similar to 10 straight years of NYY & Bos alternating WS wins for Os fans.
OK, I exaggerate, but not by much.
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
Did they score
using the Flying V?
All I know of hockey I learned from Emilio Estevez and Paul Newman.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by quite a bit, actually...
more like, the oates o’s that were always getting pipped at the close of the season by the jays.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jun 16, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
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