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Orioles 4, Mets 6: U-G-L-Y, O's ain't got no alibi, they're ugly

Melvin can't believe the ump's call. We know how you feel, Melvin. We can't believe you're allowed to bat 5th. (AP Photo/Rob Carr)

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Melvin can't believe the ump's call. We know how you feel, Melvin. We can't believe you're allowed to bat 5th. (AP Photo/Rob Carr)

The Orioles played their most frustrating game of the year tonight, losing to the Mets. Despite the close score, the O's were never really this game except for the bottom of the 9th and for about ten second in the 6th between Nick Markakis' home run and Melvin Mora's GIDP. Other than that, ugly pitching, ugly hitting, and especially ugly fielding.

Jeremy Guthrie continued his shaky 2009 season with another ugly outing. He started off pretty well, getting through the first three innings without allowing a hit, but all hell broke loose in the fourth. After a leadoff walk, Carlos Beltran hit into what should have been a routine double play. In his first mistake of the evening, Brian Roberts dropped the ball and both runners were safe. From there, Guthrie simply fell apart. He was leaving all of his pitches out over the plate and the Mets took advantage. Singles by David Wright, Ryan Church, Gary Sheffield, Brian Schneider, and a sacrifice fly by Daniel Murphy gave the Mets a 4-0 lead before the inning ended.

After finally getting out of the fourth, Guthrie settled down and was able to pitch 2.1 more innings before being replaced by Alberto Castillo with one out in the 7th. Castillo is the new lefty specialist, I guess. He's about as good as the old lefty specialist was as he promptly gave up singles to the two lefties he was brought in to face. That loaded the bases with one out. The Mets only had a two run lead at this point, so Trembley turned to Danys Baez. Baez was as good as anyone could have hoped. He induced a ground ball by Beltran. Huff threw home for the out, and the O's were one out away from getting out of it. Baez battled David Wright for 8 pitches, finally getting him to pop up to shallow right field. It was the kind of ball that you normally see the second baseman take, but instead Aubrey Huff tried to catch backwards and over his shoulder. He was unsuccessful, and ended up making the O's third error of the day. Two runs scored, making it 6-2.

Like I said, ugly. Huff should have caught the ball, it was close enough. But in reality Brian Roberts should have taken charge. That was his second mistake of the day. His third would come on the very next at bat. Ryan Church grounded to Melvin Mora, who looked to second base. Brian, however, wasn't covering the bag. Luckily Melvin had time to go to first for the out.

Brian just had an awful day. Look, I love Brian Roberts. He has meant a lot of the Orioles and I'm glad he's on the team. I've defended him in the past, but there isn't any defending him tonight. He looked unfocused and lazy. I don't know what he was doing out there. This entire game gave me a stomach ache, but Brian was the worst of it. To top things off, he came up to the plate in the bottom of the 9th with the bases loaded and one out and hit what looked like a double play ball. The ball was hit a little slowly and Felix Pie had a great slide at 2nd to ensure the shortstop couldn't make the throw to first. It's a good thing, since Brian appeared to be strolling down the line.

As for the offense, they had three innings worth discussing. In the 5th the bottom of the order staged a two out rally. Nolan Reimold walked, Matt Wieters singled, and Robert Andino walked to load the bases. Unfortunately, Brian Roberts (of course) struck out on a ball down around his ankles to end the inning.

In the 6th, Adam Jones led off with a single and scored on Nick Markakis' first home run since May 21st, a span of 24 games and 100 plate appearances. That pulled the Orioles to within two. Aubrey Huff followed with a single, but Melvin Mora promptly grounded into a double play to kill the rally.

Then, of course, the bottom of the 9th, the only inning in which the Orioles appeared to show any life. Back to back singles to lead off the inning and Jerry Manuel decided not to risk it and went to Francisco Rodriguez. Rodriguez, who has been crazy good this year, wasn't at his sharpest. Nolan Reimold, who had the best night you can have without actually getting a hit, worked him for an 8 pitch at bat that ended in a walk to load the bases. Matt Wieters then struck out, looking just plain silly against K-Rod. Then Ty Wigginton, the hero of Sunday's game, stepped in as a pinch hitter. For someone who has hacked at early pitches all season long, Ty showed great patience and worked a bases loaded walk. Brian Roberts then hit into a fielder's choice which also scored a run. With two outs and the tying run on base, Adam Jones was unable to figure K-Rod out, and he struck out to end the game.

Obviously it's impossible to predict what would have happened in this game had the three errors not been made. But the bottom line is the Orioles ended up losing by two and the Mets scored three unearned runs. It was an ugly, disappointing, frustrating game.

Notes and Random Stuff:

  • I know that Matt Wieters is our new religion, but Nolan Reimold is the real rookie star. As I mentioned, Nolan didn't have a hit today, but the box score doesn't show the true story. In the 5th inning, Nolan forced Mike Pelfrey to throw him ten pitches that went like this: ball, foul, foul, ball, ball, foul, foul, foul, foul, ball. It was one of the more impressive at bats I've seen by an Oriole lately. In the 7th he hit the ball hard but unfortunately right at the left fielder. And in the 9th he showed great patience and poise against Frankie Rodriguez, who's stuff is just nasty. After getting down in the count 1-2, he fouled off two pitches in between three more balls to earn his second walk of the night.  I never in a million years would have predicted Reimold to start his career this way.
  • Nick looked pretty good tonight. In addition to his home run, he also had a single. I feel like I say this a lot, but hopefully he's coming out of his slump. This team needs Nick Markakis to be good again.
  • Melvin Mora continues to hit 5th and it continues to annoy me. I guess we should all just get over it because it doesn't look like it's changing any time soon. I know that Trembley is very intent on not putting too many lefties together, but if that's the case I don't see why he shouldn't just swap Mora and Reimold. At least Melvin entertained us tonight by yelling at the ump and almost getting tossed.
Poll
Who was tonight's Most Birdland Player (MBP)?
Nolan Reimold (2 walks, saw 28 pitches in four ABs)
69 votes
Nick Markakis (2-4, first home run in 100 PAs)
121 votes
Danys Baez (1.2 IP, 1 H, never lets us down)
18 votes
No One
34 votes

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I voted Baez...

b/c I never thought I’d read “never lets us down” next to his name. I like it!

by Mountian Goats on Jun 16, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I voted for Reimold

Hard to argue with a Dong, especially if it means Nicky is coming out of it. But I love this kid, not just for results, but for the way he plays the game. That kind of intensity and focus over the long haul will win us more games (if it catches on with any of the rest of these clowns) than happening to connect with a hanger. He could teach the “veterans” a thing or two, IMHO.

by fishoutawata on Jun 16, 2009 11:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He needs to teach Jones

that sometimes its ok to leave the bat on your shoulder.

by Johnny_S on Jun 17, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

castillo
Castillo is the new lefty specialist, I guess. He’s about as good as the old lefty specialist was as he promptly gave up singles to the two lefties he was brought in to face.

The old lefty specialist would’ve given up grandslams to consecutive batters.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Jun 17, 2009 1:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was my thought

“JW would have gotten taken deep.”

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Jun 17, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

thats a great idea about Guthrie heading to the pen, he could be the long man, or the clean up man until he can get his stuff together, that is if he has the stuff anymore???

by F4PhantomPhreak on Jun 17, 2009 1:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We got 'em tonight

Koji versus Tim Redding. Redding is one of those once a National, always a National kind of players, who is 0-2 with a 6+ ERA this year. Didn’t look at his stats in depth though.

BOBBLEHEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAD. How do we lose this game? I’m taking my whole family because my family in S. Jersey couldn’t get tickets for the long-planned Philly series. And I’m taking a 45 year old Mets fan, a father of a friend, who hasn’t seen a baseball game in ages, but wants to get into it for a day.

It’s gonna rain.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Jun 17, 2009 6:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haven't voted for Nick in a while : )

…and Reimold is going to win the AL Rookie of the Year with Wieters a close second…

All I can say about the game is key mistakes left the O’s out to dry…but nice comeback attempt in the 9th…had K-Rod on his toes : ) …lets go out and bring it to them tonight.

by Tetris on Jun 17, 2009 6:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wieters

I know he’s our future deity and all, and it’s only a matter of time before he comes up big at crunch time, but it would have been nice to see him bust out with a hit in the 9th: bases loaded, no out. Instead, he strikes out without even a decent swing.
This, of course, is nothing compared to Mora’s entire year of futility.

by Fred Sanford on Jun 17, 2009 7:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

melmo...

looks like he’s doing his bill cosby impersonation in that picture.

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Jun 17, 2009 7:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

memlo got hit scored run in 9th

too bad neither brob nor wieters nor jones could do same

by thewaywardO on Jun 17, 2009 8:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

true

I’d still rather have those guys up in than him.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jun 17, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather see him get hit too!

He’s old but a high and tight fastball could derail one of the young guys.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Jun 17, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

That those who didn’t watch the game with vote for Nicky. 2 run HR, fair enough. But if you watched Reimold last night, it truly was Birdland how mature a hitter he looked. The 2 ball 4s he took, most any rookie or veteran would have chopped at. I thought it was amazing. Thats why I voted for him.

BRob for LBP

by Johnny_S on Jun 17, 2009 8:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Considering that we recently went through a stretch with 9 TOTAL walks in 7 games (and none in two or three straight games), I’ll take those quality at-bats. When we play the MFY and PHN, it kills me to watch their hitters just keep fouling off pitches. That’s the approach that we need. So yes, an 0-2 with 2 BB can be Birdland.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Jun 17, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

After those

first two pitches I was thinking, “man, reimold is SOOOO overmatched.” But that was one impressive AB.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Jun 17, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I know

Just giving Nolan a little props in the comments since he’s not getting it in the voting.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Jun 17, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats your opinion. I disagree.

The maturity and veteran batting that Reimold has shown as a Rookie has impressed me. Hitting the HRs is great, but making a pitcher throw tons of pitches is incredibly valuable and it generally goes under-appreciated. So IMO Reimold was the most birdland last night.

Also, I don’t think Nick is supposed to be our BEST player. Just 1 of the three greats in our 1-2-3.

by Johnny_S on Jun 17, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No it wasn't

“Also, I dont think Nick IS supposed to be our best player” IS = present tense

by Johnny_S on Jun 17, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok..

“When the guy WHO’S supposed to be our best player”

Who’s = who IS…still present tense.

by Johnny_S on Jun 17, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t understand why he should be our best player. We have great batters in the line-up. Roberts, Jones, Scott, Reimold…and eventually hopefully Wieters. He doesn’t need to be our best player, just better than one of the worst batters (cause of the slump) in the lineup.

Off-topic though, I still think Reimold was MBP last night.

by Johnny_S on Jun 17, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean BRobs is my favorite player

I probably would have picked him. But they play two different positions and hit different styles and different sections of the lineup.

by Johnny_S on Jun 17, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Further...

Even if I had said “who is”, the simple fact that he’s obviously not our best player right now implies that I was talking past tense.

by O'sFan21 on Jun 17, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should learn to grammatically express yourself

So you don’t confuse your arguments. It really takes away from their validity when they say what you didn’t mean to say.

by Johnny_S on Jun 17, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A normal person can make contextual assumptions in a casual setting.

Apologies for confusing you.

If we’re going to talk grammar, it’s “BRob’s” not “BRobs” as you say above. Also I think you meant “because of the slump” rather than “cause of the slump” above unless you were saying something was the cause of his slump. You also use “thats” when it should be “that’s” – even spell checker catches that one. Not to mention the fact that the sentence structures in your initial post are barely recognizable as the English language.

I’m just saying if you want to talk about grammar…

by O'sFan21 on Jun 17, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hate to jump in here...

i haven’t really been following this “debate,” but since I really hate grammar police in comments sections of blogs, I’m going to add one more error from Johnny:

“I probably would have picked him. But they play two different positions and hit different styles and different sections of the lineup.”

Sorry, but in most situations you shouldn’t start a sentence with “but”. This is one of them. It should have read:

“I probably would have picked him, but…”

that is all.

by brek on Jun 17, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CC goes to the head of the class

I would just like to say that I would bet the mortgage that they’re not having this elevated a discussion over on the Yankees’ fan blog.

by Fred Sanford on Jun 17, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My argument wasn't dependent on that grammar though

My punctuation mistake didn’t make my argument completely opposite of what I meant.

He was talking about the past and not the present, but (got that one) he used present tense. I was arguing right now people don’t expect Nick to be our BEST player. And he said they currently did, which is not true. His error completely changed his argument.

by Johnny_S on Jun 17, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude it was contextually obvious what I was saying.

When somebody says “he’s supposed to be the best player on the team” when the guy isn’t doing well, it’s really painfully obvious that he meant he WAS supposed to be. You know…since he ISN’T! LOL

by O'sFan21 on Jun 17, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How the hell do you figure?

If someone is talking about the present I think they mean he is currently supposed to be the best.

If they talk past tense I think he was supposed to be the best.

You were wrong.

by Johnny_S on Jun 17, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong

Its not “Brob’s” because it is neither something Brob possess or short for “Brob is”. Its Brian ROBertS. BROBS. Thats what I always call him. BRobs went to the mall.

And although I did not mean a “cause of the slump”, it still works even if I meant because.

And that’s was wrong. 1 for 3.

by Johnny_S on Jun 17, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well then you're missing an "is". lol

Otherwise would you say “Adam Jones my favorite player”???? hahahahaha

by O'sFan21 on Jun 17, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

woops - went to fast - you have the is

and no “cause” doesn’t work in any case where you had it. You “meant” because in the same way that I meant “he was” rather than “he is”. Sorry dude. Remember what you said about speaking with correct grammar so your words don’t say something different than you mean?

by O'sFan21 on Jun 17, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im not missing an is

I wrote “I mean BRobs is my favorite player” go read it

by Johnny_S on Jun 17, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah look at my next post

And you’re the only person I’ve ever seen call him “BRobs”…

by O'sFan21 on Jun 17, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So?

That’s not an argument. I’ve always called him BRobs. I don’t really care if anyone else doesn’t.

by Johnny_S on Jun 17, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right...I wasn't making it an argument. I was saying I was wrong about that point!

Jesus. Now I see why that “who’s” confused you and nobody else…

by O'sFan21 on Jun 17, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely not 1-3.

I’ll admit that the BRobs was wrong – just never seen anybody refer to him as that so I assumed it was a mistake.

The “cause” is obviously wrong.

The “thats” was wrong.

The starting a sentence with but was wrong.

And the overall sentence structure of your initial post was garbage.

I’ll take a 4-5 any day of the week. Again you wanted to bring up grammar.

by O'sFan21 on Jun 17, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I brang up grammar because

You made an argument where your tense completely changed your argument. Mine are just lazy errors where I don’t feel like typing the " ’ " or I used short hand for ‘because’.

by Johnny_S on Jun 17, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m just the only one who paid attention because it was a response to my original post.

by Johnny_S on Jun 17, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yet I got a +1 from BRotz

And you argued against it, yet it was still not understandable…..right.

by Johnny_S on Jun 17, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So we each had one supporter...your point?

I think even without the past/present tense issue your point is a bad one. You were, I guess, saying that Nick is not supposed to be the best player on the team. If you ask people who the best player on the O’s is (not who is having the best season, or who’s the hottest currently, or who might be the best in the future, but who’s the best all around player on the roster NOW) I think almost everybody would say Markakis. That’s why they paid him the big bucks.

by O'sFan21 on Jun 17, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This game makes me think of what Palmer said

These guys have to learn to hustle their ass off on every play. It’s the kind of stuff I tell my daughter. I’m thinking in particular of Huff’s drop and the disappearing Roberts. Overall this is the kind of play we see too much of, just in spades last night.

by drj on Jun 17, 2009 9:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey Brian!

Please show up tonight.

I’ll mark that up to a bad day or one of those things but Roberts was horrendous! That botched double play may not have led to the wheels coming off but he defintely broke the antenna and keyed the shit out of the bus. The pop-up at first should have been his. I watched the Mets broadcast and could not tell if he was calling for it or not but he pulled up and should have been able to make a play on it. No way Huff needs to be trying to catch balls over his shoulder. Oh yeah, nice night at the dish too.

On a positive note, seeing Reimold draw a walk was nice.

And how the hell is one home run in 100 PA BIRDLAND!?!? If anything, this game doesn’t even deserve a poll and there Markakis sits with a commanding lead. I am requesting a subcommittee review of BIRDLAND after losses…especially bad ones.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Jun 17, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

re: Roberts

Of all the goings on last night, the first error was the most understandable and forgivable. That stuff happens to everyone, and it was only his fourth error on the year. It’s a shame Guthrie seemed to lose his focus afterwards, though. The other stuff like not getting to a pop up, not covering his base, not busting ass on a possible double play ball in the bottom of the 9th during a rally, that stuff kills me.

Brian is an unemotional guy and it’s hard to tell what’s going on with him a lot. I’m going to let go of this now in hopes that it was a one game thing.

Oh, and about the HR by Nick, it’s less the fact that he has 1 HR in 100 PA and more the fact that he finally looks like he might be coming back to life. I understand it. I voted for Nolan, though.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jun 17, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he had a touch of the flu last night. Let's hope.

Agree with you about Nicky – I voted for him in the hopes that it’s a sign of his awakening.

by O'sFan21 on Jun 17, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I didn’t mean to base my vote on 1 HR in 100 ABs…just that in the grand scheme of things, with all the other bad stuff, that didn’t really standout to me. I hope he gets is going too.

On Roberts, you are right about the unemotional. I think sometimes it comes off as indifferent..which I choose not to believe.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Jun 17, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Roberts comes back with a stellar night tonight.

I think it was just an odd fluke and he had something going on in his personal life or something.

by Johnny_S on Jun 17, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"that stuff kills me"

Hell, after the past 11 years of the team mailing it in by July, you clearly have more lives than a cat.

by drj on Jun 17, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reimold Vs. Wieters

The thing is you have to remember that Reimold is older and has more experience. Sure Reimold is putting up better numbers now but I think once Wieters hits his first homerun we will start to really see what he’s capable of. I still Wieters for eventual rookie of the year even though right now it looks for sure like it’s Reimold. I got to see Wieters play college ball at tech and he was amazing. I’ve heard that he’s gotten so much better since but we haven’t really seen it yet. I’m excited for his development where as I don’t think Reimold is the future star even though he has looked great.

by nooklogan on Jun 17, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you

are spot on about Wieters, but very wrong about Reimold’s future. Nolan, I believe, will continue to exceed expectations until people realize that he will be an above average ML outfielder with plenty of power and a decent hitter’s eye to boot.

There is no reason that BOTH of these highly talented players can’t be successful in the future.

by sickuvitall on Jun 17, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I agree with sickuvitall

Why can’t they both be good? Wieters may be better in the field in the long run. But I think both could end up being very good batters.

by Johnny_S on Jun 17, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't put enough thought

I think I didn’t convey my message right. I love Reimold. I’m sure he will be great in the future but I don’t think he has the same potential as Wieters. I love watching him though and I hope he does well in the Rookie of the year race but I look for Wieters to win it. He got his first homerun tonight so really look for the confidence to be up. Good Luck to both of them.

by nooklogan on Jun 17, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Brian's defense, I will say

that the steal of second base in the 9th could have been key, had Adam Jones put the ball in play. A single would have tied the game.
Of course, given Brian’s luck yesterday, he could have just as easily been thrown out at 2nd, ending the game with a bonehead explanation point.

by Fred Sanford on Jun 17, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

1 positive

against 5 (estimate) negatives doesn’t buy you much in the way of defense.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Jun 17, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

roberts has been awful for a while now

i’m really just sick of watching him play. i was at the game last week when he hit a “double”. it was a sinking line drive and he basically walked to first base and watched the left fielder dive at it. then he started running when the ball skidded away. he’s just not trying at all anymore. he grounded out to third or short last night, took 4 or 5 lazy steps, and made a right hand turn. he’s miserable out there.

by joet on Jun 17, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow. You're in the minority here.

Last night was an exception. I love the way Brian plays the game and he’s having yet another productive year offensively and defensively. That’s a lot of negativity and I don’t really see the basis.

by O'sFan21 on Jun 17, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's not running hard

and i do i watch most of the games. he’s swinging at a lot of first pitches. his approach at the plate seems pretty shitty to me. 11 walks in april, 14 in may, and 4 in june so far.

the botched double play sucks, but whatever. he’s not going to be flawless and should be expected to never make a mistake. he shouldn’t be jogging to first though. and he shouldn’t be swinging early in the count so often.

by joet on Jun 17, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's OPSing .813 which is exactly between his 2007 OPS of .808 and his 2008 OPS of .828.

He’s tied for 3rd in the league in runs. He’s tied for 2nd in the league in doubles. His OBP is .360 even after that horrible slump he just had.

All in all he’s on his way to having pretty much exactly the same kind of productive season he has every year.

by O'sFan21 on Jun 17, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

first off, those are his full season averages.

he had an awesome april. the runs are mostly a product of markakis and jones hitting the ball like crazy behind him. and the horrible slump he just had? it isn’t over yet apparently. he’s had an awful june and his may wasn’t all that great either.

second, i’m more irritated about his effort than his actual production. not running out ground balls bothers me. i can’t really apologize for that – there’s no excuse for a $40 million player to look bored and uninterested 2 1/2 months into the season, no matter how bad the team is.

by joet on Jun 17, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You said he has a shitty approach at the plate, which is clearly not true as backed up by his numbers.

The hustling I don’t like either, but I don’t think it’s a regular thing.

by O'sFan21 on Jun 18, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

but I can see where him not showing much emotion like stacey pointed out could be perceived as not caring.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Jun 17, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian is consistently

one of the best 2B in baseball.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jun 17, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not defensively...

dependent on metrics, i suppose, but BP gave him donkey shit numbers for d last year, and he has looked very jeter-esque to me in the field this year.

but he’s definitely one of the best leadoff men in the game and has probably been the most consistently good the last 5 years or so.

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Jun 17, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

two sense

very solid and thorough assessment, Stacey.. Another way to get mora out of 5 hole would be to put nick permanently in the 2 hole, moving jones to 3 and scott to 5. only 2 lefties in a row then. thats what i’d do. As to Roberts debate, he is unquestionably a dynamic talent, an impact player, especially being a switch hitter solid from both sides. But he saunters to first on the routine grounder, has done that for years now, and thats not cool

by albaman on Jun 17, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ADAM JONES BOBBLEHEAD DAY BETTER NOT GET RAINED OUT

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jun 17, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How awesome is the bubblegum bobblehead!!!

If anyone makes it out with an extra one I’d be willing to buy it off of you and pay the shipping!

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Jun 17, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If anyone makes it out with an extra one I’d be willing to buy it off of you and pay the shipping!

Me too. Normally, I’m not a bobblehead fan but I LOVE this one.

"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.

by birdman on Jun 17, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me either. This will be my first…well…besides the Sammy Sosa bobblehead my friend just bought me. Asshole.

On another note, our fantasy league just went all nerd and bought a traveling trophy which I’ve had engraved as the “Sal Fasano Excellence Award”

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Jun 17, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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