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Melvin Mora really grinding my gears

Really, it's the entire left side of the infield for our beloved Orioles, which is hardly a new thing. Last year's shortstop crew set what seemed to be a daily new benchmark for incompetence, and while fielding has been improved this year with Cesar Izturis and Robby Andino, offense is still a total blackhole from position six.

Izturis is on the DL, and went there with an ugly line of .260/.293/.327, which isn't so amazingly far off from his high-end projections, but his high-end projections scrape somewhere around passable for a Gold Glove defender, and whether or not you think his glove is that good is a matter of opinion. He OPS'd just .628 last year for the Cardinals, so this (.620) isn't shocking, but he's lost 26 points of valuable OBP from his line and "made up for it" by raising his slugging a half a tick up the awful chart.

The younger Andino, nabbed in the Hayden Penn trade, is much the same animal. He's hitting .253/.292/.313, and he's not a gloveman on par with Izturis, nor can he match him on the basepaths. Izturis is 9-for-9 stealing bags, with Andino at 2-for-4.

I'm not trying to make any grand revelation here, merely pointing out that shortstop is still very much a "need" position for this club in the near future. A really big-hitting team can get away with a good season version of Izturis thanks to his glove and legs, which also still make him a big upgrade on last year's stooge crew. But if you can grab a slightly lesser fielder who can pull his weight in the lineup, it makes a big difference.

Actually, this is all an elaborate set-up so that I can whine about Melvin Mora and be an obnoxious, stereotypical blogger who shows no regard for being fair or nice. This has nothing to do with Melvin Mora: Father. Husband. Man., only to do with Melvin Mora: Baseball Player, and he is freaking terrible. Trembley's continued insistence on hitting Mora in the five hole is stupid. It is flat-out stupid. Why sugarcoat it? It's dumb and Mora has not earned that spot.

When you're a team like the Orioles, bunching your best hitters can make a really big difference, but nope, here comes slap hittin' Melvin all the time, sporting that groovy .672 OPS (.277/.333/.339 with two home runs). This is exactly what he did last year before he caught otherworldly fire late in the season. If he doesn't do that again -- and mark my words, he will not do that again -- he's going to be a hindrance to the team's play all season long. By August, if he isn't hitting any better, there comes a point where you have to start looking at what's best for the team, doesn't there? Even in a "lost," rebuilding season?

Being the impatient dummy that I am, I'd almost prefer they throw Brandon Snyder to the wolves, stick Aubrey Huff at third base, and let Melvin cheerlead and encourage good bunting and make Sad Melvin Faces on the bench. I mean, I'm sure there are all kinds of practical reasons to not do that, and I get it, but I don't care. It's damn hard to watch him play anymore.

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Melmo is so fustrating (and annoying)

But when he was hurt this year, I know I missed him.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Jun 19, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

geez

give melmo a little credit…he’s ALMOST back to .270. plus hes like 95 years old and without roids, you kinda lose that power stroke at such an advanced age (see gregg zaun)

although ROFL at “sad melvin faces”

by twistedlogic on Jun 19, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you shush!

Dino is my fav!

by Steve. on Jun 19, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mel will be fine

To be frank, I’m staunch Mel Mora apologist. Always have been. Don’t know, I just like the guy.

Anyway, I think all of this bluster around the longest-serving Oriole has some merit, but is also downright ridiculous. I’ll admit that he’s not setting the world on fire. But he’s hitting .277, which isn’t all that bad and I think he’s getting back on track after a disjointed start to the season, given his injury. Fact is, his return just about coincided with the appalling lack of production from the four players in front of him, and his run-production numbers reflect that. And yeah, he doesn’t have the pop that he used to, but the good thing about Mel is that once he gets settled, he’ll stop pressing, and will be a productive bat. It looks like he’s settling.

That said, I don’t think he has a permanent claim on the 5 hole in the order. The dumb thing about the way Trembley has handled him is that the longer he waits to drop him, the harder it’s going to be. What would have to happen would be on a Sunday (when Mel usually sits), Luke Scott would have to hit for the cycle in the 5 hole and then Dave would have an excuse.

But don’t get too down on Mel. The glove is as good as ever and when it’s all said and done he’ll have a decent year.

by glasgow on Jun 19, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mel will be fine

Wanna bet? He’s old.

The glove is as good as ever

Eh.

and when it’s all said and done he’ll have a decent year.

Wanna bet? He’s really old.

by SC on Jun 19, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get it. He's old. And you're a betting man.

You sounded like Happy Gilmore there for a second, SC :D

He’s not an elite 3rd baseman. I don’t think anyone would argue that he is. But he’s our 3rd baseman, and during his time here I think he’s shown us that he can play. With his decent hitting over the years and his strong defense, I say he deserves the benefit of the doubt and chance to hit his way out of the doghouse that some folks have put him in.

I’m willing to concede that 5th in the order may be pushing it a bit.

by glasgow on Jun 19, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont mind

him hitting 5th. i think we’ve all jumped on him a little too much. but currently, if we move anybody up, then we’ll have a huge hole at the bottom of the lineup unless wieters gets consistent (which he will cuz hes god and made with REAL LIGHTNING). once we’ve confirmed that wieters can hit well at the major league level, then i’m all for moving him 5th and letting mora bat 8th (scott hits 6th by default cuz nicky and huff are both lefties).

by twistedlogic on Jun 19, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You realize he has 2 HRs all season and went like 25 games without an RBI right?

Having that in your number 5 spot is an embarrassment to the organization and to major league baseball.

by O'sFan21 on Jun 19, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup

note that in the past 25 games (or so it feels), nobody in front of him has gotten on base

by twistedlogic on Jun 19, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the 2 HRs???

Also whenever they are on base in front of him he just GIDPs.

by O'sFan21 on Jun 19, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what do you want from my life

I doubt it would be better with him anywhere else. He’ll likely do the same at the bottom of the lineup in which case we’ll all complain that GIDPs too much there as well. Y’all complain about MelMo cuz you plan for him to hit at the bottom of the order. When things don’t go as planned well then everyone just LOSES THEIR MINDS!

by twistedlogic on Jun 19, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh? I don't want anything from your life. I want an optimum lineup with the players we have..

Having a guy with a sub-700 OPS batting 5th is not an optimum lineup. You expect the bottom of your lineup to not be productive. You expect your number 5 hitter to be productive. There are numerous more logical choices for the 5 slot (Luke Scott is the obvious, but even Reimold would be dramatically better than Mora – with an .897 OPS rather than Mora’s pathetic .672).

I don’t understand your argument. “Y’all complain about Melmo cuz you plan for him to hit at the bottom of the order.” No idea what this means. We want him to hit at the bottom of the order because HE’S NOT HITTING WELL. IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE HIM HITTING 5TH IF HE’S NOT GOING TO BE A PRODUCTIVE HITTER!

by O'sFan21 on Jun 19, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

easy rod

you’ll still complain no matter where he is.

by twistedlogic on Jun 19, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not speaking for O'sFan21

But I often feel the same way he does, though with less harshness ;-). I recognize that right at this moment, Melvin is on this team. He’s going to be on this team for awhile. Right now, there isn’t anyone better than Melvin (maybe Wiggy? although we saw how he did when Melvin was on the DL) at hitting, and he still plays good defense. I accept that he’ll be in the lineup for now. But he shouldn’t be 5th. He just shouldn’t.

Dave says he’s going to heat up. Fine, if that’s true (which I don’t really believe), let him bat 8th until he starts to heat up, then move him up as necessary. I think what this is really about is 1) Dave’s respect for the veteran causing him to do things that aren’t best for the team, and 2) Dave doesn’t want to hear Melvin whine about his history and playoff experience if he does move him.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jun 19, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice summation

That’s exactly where I am in the Chronicles of Memlo.

"I don't have a hit-and-run sign, and I believe it's the worst play in baseball." - Earl Weaver

by duck on Jun 19, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

but scott won’t hit 5th cuz hes a lefty (and slumping somewhat himself) and reimold is hitting just fine 7th. no sense screwing with that especially since we’re finally getting some production outside the top of the lineup.

by twistedlogic on Jun 19, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok but

But imagine the productivity at the bottom of the lineup was RIGHT after the productivity from the top of the lineup. Wouldn’t that be grand?

As it is you’ve got Brian, Adam, Nick, and Aubrey at the top of the lineup and good (Nick will come around). Then you’ve got Melvin. Then, Luke, Nolan, and Matt Wieters who are doing well. Then you’ve got Robert Andino. The two sections of productiveness are broken up by two guys who have trouble getting on base.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jun 19, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe the reason Dave wants to hit Melvin fifth

is because he wants a chance to score every inning. I remember Tony La Russa saying if you bunch all your good hitters in the order together, then you only have a legitimate chance to score every couple of innings. With Scott, Reimold, and Wieters in the bottom of the order, we could have a more productive offense through every inning, is what Dave might be thinking.

Not gonna say I agree with it, but…..

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Jun 19, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know but

nolan is the guy who’d have to hit 5th right now. i love both huff and scott, but they are both free-swingers in my opinion so you gotta break up the more frequent strikeout victims. Your bottom of the lineup includes Mora, Wieters (still only hitting .245), and Andino. All I’m saying is let Mora stay 5th until Wieters starts whacking the ball then you can drop Mora. It seems a shame to move up Wieters or Reimold to the 5th hole and put a lot of pressure on one of the young guys to hit for more power.

Jobe, you are most correct and that’s kind of what I’ve been saying about breaking up your production a little. Plus there is always a possibility that MelMo does something could. Stranger things have happened.

by twistedlogic on Jun 19, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what happens if Riemold is moved up....

….and feels the pressure and goes on a 2-for-18 slump in the 5-hole? And then he has to be moved back down, but now he’s lost some confidence.

Riemold has been a wonderful surprise in terms of how well he’s adapted to his promotion. DOn’t fuck with it.

WE DO NOT NEED TO WIN GAMES THIS YEAR. WE NEED TO DEVELOP NEXT YEAR’S TEAM THIS YEAR.

Keeping Riemold at the bottom of the order but playing nearly every day is plenty of reward for his performance. Wieters too. There is no reason, no reason on earth, to move these guys up in the lineup. If you want to have Scott replace Memlo, that’s fine (I think alternating righty-lefty is overrated). But no rooks in that spot.

It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez

by zknower on Jun 19, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*Reimold, not Riemold

I keep doing that.

It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez

by zknower on Jun 19, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or how about this

Reimold is hitting the crap out of the ball and thinking “What do I have to do to move up in the order? Look at that guy!” and then he gets all disgruntled.

I don’t really think either will happen, but I’m just saying.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jun 19, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how bout this

mora hits a hr off of bastard

by twistedlogic on Jun 19, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well at least

he took one for the team. followed up by three popups. who wants to change reimold and wieters hitting back to back tho? while wieters also hit three pop ups, that little tag team in the 2nd inning was great.

by twistedlogic on Jun 20, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So how long does he have to do it before you do move him up?

300 ABs? 2 seasons?

And don’t fuck with it? The offense is doing HORRIBLY, so honestly I’m not sure what there is to fuck with. One guy doing well? Not exactly the most convincing argument. Even though win don’t matter for this year you still want to have an optimum lineup and this is surely not it.

by O'sFan21 on Jun 19, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

scratch that

…with the 9th inning hit, Wieters is up to .259

my bad

by twistedlogic on Jun 19, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Judging Matt Wieters on his batting average is ludicrous

as he is obviously better than that, and showing it more every single day.

Since June 9th when he got two hits, Matt is 10-24 with 2 BB, a HR, and 2 2B. He isn’t a .259 hitter. Not to mention saying anything about anyone’s batting average after 54 at bats is just silly.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jun 19, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why can't Luke hit 5th?

As far as the idea about not bunching up your hitters – I think that’s a really bad one. Statistics show that lineup doesn’t really make that much difference but having your best hitters get more ABs (which they do being further up) is clearly advantageous. Right now I want Reimold, Luke, and even Wieters getting as many more ABs than Mora as possible.

by O'sFan21 on Jun 19, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

woah woah

I’m just saying that we should hold off dropping Mora until Wieters hits every night. As shown on Tuesday night, KRod lit him up with a real fastball and doesn’t take a lot of pitches. Reimold has 99 ABs and only 17 Ks. Wieters adjusted well last night to KRod which is a great sign. When he (which I think happens very soon) starts hitting with good discipline, then we move Mora okay?

Plus Scott doesnt bat 5th cuz then we’d have 3 lefties in a row the latter 2 being free swingers. Reimold, like I said before, has 99 ABs and appears to have really solid plate discipline. In a perfect world, Roberts and Jones get on base, Markakis doubles them home, Huff homers, Reimold gets on, Scott homers.

….but thats a perfect world ;-)

by twistedlogic on Jun 19, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually K-Rod struck him out on all change ups on Tuesday night. Not a real fastball. The real fastball is what he deposited into left center for a double.

And I think he actually works the count very well. He doesn’t swing at hardly any bad pitches and often finds himself in 1-0/2-0/2-1 counts.

Also what does it matter how Wieters is hitting? Put Reimold in the 5 hole and Luke in the 6 hole and Mora in the 7 hole if you want to wait for Wieters. Who gives a shit as long as Mora isn’t hitting 5th any more.

by O'sFan21 on Jun 19, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am finding myself agreeing with you more and more

and it’s scaring the hell out of me. :)

"I don't have a hit-and-run sign, and I believe it's the worst play in baseball." - Earl Weaver

by duck on Jun 19, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

i really could care less. i think it will make little difference no matter where mora hits. all im sayin is i’d hate to see reimold (or any other young guy) slump in the 5th hole. we get a little production outta everybody and we’ll be cool.

by twistedlogic on Jun 19, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

this

+1

It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez

by zknower on Jun 19, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

remember last year...

when adam jones batted 8th all year…occasionally getting plugged into the 2 spot? I’d say that worked out pretty well.

by brek on Jun 19, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does that have to do with anything?

Having a young guy bat 8th while he’s learning to hit is comparable to having an old washed up guy who’s doing terrible batting 5th? What are we hoping for Mora to have a resurgence next season as a result of hitting 5th this season? Not sure where you’re going with this…

by O'sFan21 on Jun 19, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and now

so we can stop bickering like small children, i’m gonna say: it does not matter in the least.

dave makes the call so we can yak till we’re blue in the face and it’s not likely to make any difference

by twistedlogic on Jun 19, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It makes no difference

shut down the blog!

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jun 19, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea thats what i meant

….or, quite possibly, i meant that we’ve spent way too much time complaining about mora hitting 5th. okay, cool. we get the point.

by twistedlogic on Jun 19, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

now THAT i completely agree with...

i would recommend getting a slingbox. i used my lunch to watch a little bit of the nationals game that i tivoed last nite :-)

by twistedlogic on Jun 19, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree however.......

This entire situation is not about Melvin Mora. It is about Dave Trembley. Melvin has been a team player, a good person, a great story and active in the community representing the franchise in a positive light (Henricks funeral). Ball players will have ups and downs and will never know when it is time to hang up the spikes. That is the line on Mora. The line on Trembley is different. Stubborn and bullish in his ways. He makes up the lineup and should move Mora to the 7th or 8th spot until he produces. I also think Melvin could be a productive back up next season with a reduced salary if he agrees to it. I don’t think free agency will be good to Melvin unless he can get a utility job in the NL with a contender like the Giants or Dodgers.

Brandon Snyder, 1B. Remember that name.

by Baysox39 on Jun 19, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

true story

diamond dave doesnt make the best choices when it comes to the lineup. i do however like that he’s let reimold and wieters bat in the bottom of the lineup where they can hit with less pressure. right now, i think thats more important than worrying about mora’s production. i also like that he’s giving everyone a chance to play (even felix pie haha). its tough to sit reimold the way hes been hitting, but pie will never get a chance to learn if he never plays (plus pie is really the only guy who can play center if jones gets hurt)

by twistedlogic on Jun 19, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I dunno.

At the beginning, when Melvin was virtually doing nothing, I was really annoyed. And I’m still obviously not the worlds biggest fan of seeing him hitting 5th every day, and when that lineup is posted online and I see Melvin in the 5 hole, I get annoyed and groan. That being said, he has lately begun to hit more and we’ll see where he goes with it. Plus, he’s a nice presence. And you don’t want to put too much pressure on the young guys by moving them too far up in the order, so there really isn’t much you can do with him having to be in the lineup. I guess you could totally switch everything around, but I don’t see Dave doing that any time soon.
As for Andino, I LOVE him. End of story. He is awesome in so many ways. Plus, a nickname like Dino? Really? So awesome. Great glove, and his bat has been doing more than we expected. He’s great, in my opinion.

by LenaO on Jun 19, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As a Fish fan on the side, I’m happy the O’s were able to pick up Dino. Granted I would’ve rather had Hanley but Dino will do. He was the Future SS of the Fish back before the Beckett trade.

by BluJay on Jun 19, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of SS

Anyway we could convince the Angels to part with Aybar or Wood if we really don’t think Dino’s going to be an everyday man.

by BluJay on Jun 19, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, that's bitter

Having grown up with Brooks and Belanger, I’m just not scandalized by left-side infielders hitting .260-.270, as long as they pull their weight defensively, and these guys do. Maybe this is just the wrong day for this complaint, seeing as Andino hit a homer (!?!) yesterday and Melmo had a pretty good series.

Obviously, Melmo is not the producer he once was, but you can’t blame him for the silly batting order. There is a place for guys like him, its just not #5. He is starting to pick things up, at least as far as getting on base and even making a few clutch hits. His streakiness can be infuriating, but when he is on it’s just 180 degrees around. I can also guarantee that after a couple of days of either Huff or Wiggy at 3rd the blogosphere would be filled with moans over all the doubles down the line that Mora would have gotten to, and the seeing eye singles up the middle because the SS has to play over to cover the limited range (to put it mildly) of the alleged 3B. Just imagine Wiggy trying one of Melmos diving catches—they’d have to delay the game while the grounds crew cleaned up the mess.

As for Andino & Izzy—jeez, SC, you’re a hard man to please. Both have played the position beautifully, and both have exceeded expectations offensively. If the “good” hitters/##1-7 on the team are producing consistently, then there’s no problem if the bottom of the order is at .250+, with walks and speed.

If you want to beat somebody up for underperforming, how about the guy with the big contract, BriRob?

by fishoutawata on Jun 19, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What exactly would you beat up BRob about? The fact that he's producing pretty much at the same high level he does every year?

I kind of agree that I’m fine with light hitting SSs as long as they play good D (and I think Dino and Izzy pick it pretty well), but I can’t deal with Mora much longer.

by O'sFan21 on Jun 19, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BRob has not exactly played up to exectations

Look, I’m not advocating beating up on anybody, just sayin’ that in terms of impact, BRob’s significant dropoff in offensive production is probably just as significant as Melmo’s, given that he is suosed to be the plate-setter. He also has more than his share of GIDP.

by fishoutawata on Jun 19, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you high, sir?

Brian Roberts: .287 AVG, .798 OPS, 22 2B, 6 HR, 29 RBI, 48 R

Melmo: .277 AVG, .672 OPS, 5 2B, 2 HR, 17 RBI, 15 R

Our leadoff hitter is outproducing our #5 hitter by a country mile.

Roberts has 2 GIDP. Mora has 6 in 100 less trips to the plate.

Roberts is 25 points above his career OPS. Melvin is 122 points BELOW his.

Look up the stats next time. Baseball Reference is free to use.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Jun 19, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+many

SS are in for defensive purposes. 2B used to be the same, middle infielders were all glove guys. These guys get about half of the plays in any given game, so their gloves need to be there above all else. And our SS are league average hitters with plus speed and Izzy has a ridiculously low K% (and BB% too, if anyone would like some ammo against me). That is 1000% better than the ship of fools from last year.

SC, what, do you want Miggy and Uggla out there? Defense is sexy again.

Melmo though, needs to get with it.

Matt Wieters broke a bat last night. Nobody knows what happened to the ball.

by CoachOfEarl on Jun 19, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2B used to be the same, middle infielders were all glove guys.

Rogers Hornsby, Joe Morgan, Ryne Sandberg, Craig Biggio, Roberto Alomar, Jeff Kent, Steve Sax, et al

Hornsby and Sax were downright awful fielders. Kent was no peach. The others were all quite good, actually, but they also hit a lot.

by SC on Jun 23, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While we're rosterbating...

I’d like to see the O’s make a play for Beltre this offseason..

by uneasy rider on Jun 19, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Uhhhh Adrian Beltre???? Why??????

I’m hoping that’s a joke that I missed…

by O'sFan21 on Jun 19, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s an excellent defender, for one thing.

by SC on Jun 19, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's OPSing .664 with a .288 OBP...

so he damn well better be an excellent defender. No thanks though.

by O'sFan21 on Jun 19, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not outright advocating it, but he has positives and there’s no one in our system that’s going to be playing third base any time soon.

by SC on Jun 19, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's historically better than that

Never much with the OBP, but slugging wise. Maybe if his bad year drives down his price it’d be a though. There just isn’t much out there yet. Maybe Andy will trade one our pitchers for a 3B, that’s the only other viable option.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jun 19, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's better than his numbers this year.

But I also think he would be incredibly frustrating to watch day in and day out. He’s a total hacker which I can’t stand.

He would have to be really cheap for me to advocate it…

by O'sFan21 on Jun 19, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dave Cameron has a major man crush on Adrian Beltre. He’s a decent bat with an other worldly glove. Combine the two and you have a very good player . According to fangraphs, he was worth $18.4 last year. I’m fine with Beltre. He has started off slow this year but he’ll be fine over the long haul.

"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.

by birdman on Jun 19, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd get behind that

Great defense, good isolated power, maybe Crow can teach him how to take a walk

/runs, ducks

Matt Wieters broke a bat last night. Nobody knows what happened to the ball.

by CoachOfEarl on Jun 19, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andino

That’s interesting. I actually thought Izturis was pretty susceptible to boneheaded, brian-roberts-like errors in the first couple weeks of the year. From all i’ve seen (and im out of market and have mlb tv, so i dont watch games every night) Andino’s played fairly solid defense, the occasional error, but he seems to be able to make big plays too…and he’s young and athletic. To be honest, I’ve been just as satisfied with Andino as I have been with Izturis. Plus, Andino’s a few years younger and seems a little more athletic. Maybe some upside, we’ll see!

by OldBay83 on Jun 19, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What are "brian-roberts-like errors"?

Ones that people make really rarely?

by O'sFan21 on Jun 19, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

brian's bobbled bouncers aren't bursting with birdlandedness

……but i think he bounces back beautifully

holy b’s batman

by twistedlogic on Jun 19, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

i’ve never been (and won’t ever be) a b-rob hater. unless we’re comparing him to markakis of course. nick wins

by twistedlogic on Jun 19, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with most of this

but I do love that picture of Melvin. That’s from Nolan’s walk off HR, right?

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jun 19, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3B and SS are the two glaring spots

where Andy hasn’t found a potential longterm fix. I’m not sold on Waring, Moore, etc. I suspect he’ll try to address it at the deadline or this offseason. I’d love to see him work his Cubbie connection to somehow get Josh Vitters in an orange shirt.

by Dingbat Charlie on Jun 19, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He'll be gone soon enough

His contract is up after this year, so I don’t really care if he plays out the string or not, and it’s not his fault that Trembley keeps putting him at #5.

by dkdc on Jun 19, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I really can’t stand Mora but I have to admit that he’s been a decent player since he signed his extension. According to fangraphs, he’s actually outplayed his salary the last two years.

2007 performance value – $9.3M; salary – $7.8M
2008 performance value – $11.2; salary – $7.8M

He’s a streaky little bastard with da bat. Last season, he started off sucking, had an insane summer, then cooled off again. Hopefully, he’ll heat up soon.

"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.

by birdman on Jun 19, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

once again,

"Hope" is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul

It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez

by zknower on Jun 19, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that's not what The Shawshank Redemption tells me.

Remember Z, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies.

"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.

by birdman on Jun 19, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What did Shawshank teach you?

That after spending half of your life unjustly imprisoned, you can live on a beach in Mexico? SO long as nobody really knows you’re there?

It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez

by zknower on Jun 19, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It taught me how to bust out of prison yo!

"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.

by birdman on Jun 19, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mora

Well he didn’t catch “otherworldly fire” by luck its because he’s talented as he has always been, don’t act like .340 year was because of some sort of luck either. He had back to back 27 home run years too, so all in all he has been a very consistent player. Great glove still too. So just wait until he gets going as he is now.

by Patrick W on Jun 19, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't exactly say he's catching fire. How many RBI or xbh has he had in the last 3 weeks?

I think he probably has as many GIDP as xbh. I’m too lazy to look it up obviously.

by O'sFan21 on Jun 19, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

i’m confident he’ll put up decent offensive numbers again, but honestly – the guy has a wicked glove.

by Y Not on Jun 20, 2009 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well he didn’t catch "otherworldly fire" by luck its because he’s talented as he has always been, don’t act like .340 year was because of some sort of luck either.

Uh, I didn’t, and I’m not going to. He’s also not as talented as he’s always been or he wouldn’t be hitting like he is. He’s old. He was younger when he hit .340. “Old” and “not producing anymore” are actually quite common reasons to replace guys in baseball, not the lunatic idea some of you are making it out to be.

But sure let’s just wait for old guys to perform like they’re 30 again. That’s worked out great for so many years.

by SC on Jun 23, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

new way for mora to get on

HBP!! way to take one for the team

by twistedlogic on Jun 19, 2009 7:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

keyboard cat?

yeah, maybe hit the cat 5th against righties, 7th or 8th against lefties. And yes i am high, sir.

by albaman on Jun 22, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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