Orioles 2, Phillies 1 : We Swept the Champions in Their Own House
by the fix is in on Jun 21, 2009 6:10 PM EDT
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Thanks to thewaywardO for the best thing to say about this game: We just swept the defending World Champions in their own house.
Jeremy Guthrie earned the win for the first time since Memorial Day with a spectacular pitching performance to improve his mark to 5-7. A solo home run in the second from Greg Dobbs, who was filling in for Ryan Howard again, put the Phillies ahead early. It was Guthrie's 17th homerun allowed all year, good for most in the American League. After that blast though, Guthrie "really got tough" as Joe Angel put it, retiring 18 of his final 20 batters. He didn't allow another run and ran up 4 strikouts. That was probably his best start all year, although he did not last as long as his opponent Cole Hamels, who had an equally impressive start. Hamels went for eight innings with 10 strikeouts.
The Orioles offense had a slow start, not getting the run back until the 6th inning. The biggest chance they had was in the fifth, when Melvin Mora reached on a single. Unfortunately, he proceeded to make the second of the Orioles' three outs on the basebaths by completely idiotically trying to make it to third after Ty Wigginton's single. It was the first out, and it was at third base. And it pretty much led to no runs being scored in the 5th. But we came right back in the next inning, when Brian Roberts led off with a double down the left side. He stole third and was driven in by Adam Jones with two outs. It's nice how we've been getting hits with two outs lately.
The Orioles pinch-hit and took the lead for Guthrie in the 8th inning. Another lead-off double got things started, this time by Robert Andino, the everyday shortstop for this ballclub. Oscar Salazar did his job and got high fives for hitting behind the runner, setting the stage for Roberts to do it once again, with a single to center.
It was all that the Orioles needed on this particular Sunday. Jim Johnson and George Sherrill got the final 6 outs, allowing one baserunner in the 8th. Charlie Manuel got the boot in the bottom of the 8th for arguing, honestly a bad call by the first base umpire. Wigginton went for the tag on Jimmie Rollins, look like he missed, but Rollins was called out for leaving the basepath. Thanks, Blue, not that we needed it or anything.
The Phillies wrapped up their homestand by losing 6 games in a row, a season high for the WORLD CHAMPIONS. WHO WE SWEPT. The Orioles have won five in a row and now go to Florida for a mid-week, all night-games series after a day off tomorrow. We're pitching Koji, Berken, and then Hill. The only pitcher we're seeing with anything close to a good line is Sean West (2-2, 3.97 ERA). The Orioles have won two Sunday games in a row, three series in a row, and the final game of the series three times in a row. There. That felt good. No hexes.
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Hmmmm....
I think I’ve heard someone saying we should switch to the NL East. Some guys over on the Nationals board were saying they wanted to switch to the AL East. Maybe we should take them up on the offer…..
:-)
by NewYorkOriole on Jun 21, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I said that
but why oh why would the Nats wanna be in the AL East? Worst team in the majors isn’t good enough? Want to be worst team of all time?
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jun 21, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently
They’ve been playing pretty well in their interleague series against the east…..
by NewYorkOriole on Jun 21, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say so
2 of 3 against both MFY and Cito Cucks.
by Timmy L. on Jun 21, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather just switch to the AL Central
I’m proud to route for an American League team. You might just say I’m an American League snob.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Jun 21, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to be an arrogant American League Fan
but…
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 21, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AL snob
and unapoligetically so.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Jun 22, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This whole
junior and senior circuit thing needs some revamping…
by sickuvitall on Jun 23, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense to me
I mean who was better Ripken Jr or Sr? Griffey Jr or Sr?
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jun 23, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
quality pitching from the "ace"
is birdland.
glad to see that 10 out of 10 votes go to guthrie
by twistedlogic on Jun 21, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More good news
For games 61-70, the Orioles are now 7-2. For the second quarter of the season, every game over .500 we go is chipping away at the -8 we were at at the quarter pole. We no longer have a deficit in the second quarter to make up for.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Jun 21, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's ten games with only 9 results
did we have a rainout? ;)
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Jun 21, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, we have one left to play. I used the words "are now" to try to illustrate it
Guess it wasn’t clear though.
If we win on Wednesday and Thursday I could potentially say we’re 2-0 in games 71-80.
And yeah, we have had no rain outs. A good question, what is the longest a team that plays outdoors has gone without one.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Jun 21, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went to this game
as well as Friday. Friday was a much happier, lively, and fun Citizens Bank Park. I’m sure some of it was the weather was amazing on Friday, but they wanted us (as in the fans and the team) gone. Still no real problems with fans, they just weren’t too cheery. BriBob got a good amount of boos, the O! in the anthem was still quite loud, and all together we ruined Philadelphia’s weekend. Awesome.
PS – Guts for MBP, with runner-up going to B-Rob for once again killing the hopes and dreams of the Phils.
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jun 21, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Glad to see O's fans travelling well.
Philly fans always make themselves at home when we play here, nice to return the favor.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
by OEutaw on Jun 22, 2009 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really wanted to vote Roberts...
…but went with Guthrie. He needed this kind of start and got it.
by Tophr on Jun 21, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I caught the last three innings. No one can tell me a pitching duel sucks. The adrenaline flows while you are on the edge of your seat the entire game. These games are crushing when your team loses, but today was great. In Philly no less.
by drj on Jun 21, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't a bad call
Just looked on the archive footage; Rollins jumped about 5 feet inside the basepath to avoid the tag.
7.08 Any runner is out when—
(a) (1) He runs more than three feet away from his baseline to avoid being tagged
unless his action is to avoid interference with a fielder fielding a batted ball. A
runner’s baseline is established when the tag attempt occurs and is a straight
line from the runner to the base he is attempting to reach safely;
Rollins is touching the right side of the basepath box when Wiggy tries to tag him. He then veers WAY into the infield to avoid the tag, as is shown by the streak of dirt in the last frame.
The ump may have been wrong in thinking he was tagged when he wasn’t, but he clearly should have been called out for leaving the basepath. I think Manuel was just frustrated and wanted to put on a show. .
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Jun 21, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
5 feet?? I'm not even sure I see 3 feet in any of those angle.
The 2 frames where he’s actually avoiding the tag look like 2-3 feet max. I guess the last frame where he’s finished diving into the base, his right foot may be more than 3 feet, but I don’t think that’s where he was standing when he dove, but rather where his foot ended up after he dove.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 21, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess it depends on how you define "running"
I define it as “where your feet go”, as I think most people would.
It’s hard to see from the freeze-frame, but he practically ran a circle around the tag. The line on the right that he’s stepping on is 3 ft to the right of the baseline, if that gives you some scale. The skidline ends easily 4-5 feet to the left of the baseline, so his feet have traveled a good 6-8 feet overall. But it’s not like the ump is sitting there with a tape measure; it’s all about intent. In actual motion, he clearly stops, bolts WAY to his left, then dives back to the right. That’s what he’s not allowed to do.
Remember, the rule is not 5 feet off the baseline. It’s 5 feet off from where he was when the tag was attempted. The tag attempt starts in frame 1.
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Jun 21, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you say that frame 1 is where the tag attempt occurs?
In frame one it just looks like their shoulders are squared up. His glove is down by his side – not extended as it would be in a tag attempt.
And as to running being defined by where your feet go – that’s fine with me, but running is surely not defined by where your feet go after you’ve dived into the base. So where the skid line from his spikes ends doesn’t really mean much at all. My impression is that he dove at the place where the skid line started and then his feet kicked out towards second as he dove. The skid line starts about a foot or at most 18 inches from the baseline.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 21, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
point 1: fair point. wiggy was running over with the glove kind of extended but when the “tag” was “attempted” might be tough to define
point 2: if you see the replay, he jumps left and then dives right. the skid mark is from the jumping left. the tagging of the base pretty much came AFTER his feet ended the skid.
But hey, you be the judge. About :41 in, you see it in very slow motion. I think there’s no question that from the time he evades (standing to the right of the baseline) to the time he lands on the ground, he has traveled more than five feet.
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Jun 22, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know - really hard to tell.
I never understand why all stadiums don’t have cameras that line up exactly with the baseline. It looks pretty close to me though.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 22, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was safe
…not that it matters…a real bone-headed play by Wiggy
I’m not saying that its the easiest play ever, but Rollins (a really fast dude) was only 3/4 of the was to first…It shouldn’t have been as close as it was PERIOD.
by Tetris on Jun 22, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the easiest play in baseball.
Rollins is only allowed to take one path to the bag.
Wigginton has the ball and is standing in the middle of that path.
That’s a play that needs to be made 100% of the time.
by dkdc on Jun 22, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is that in the rules?? You're certainly allowed to avoid the tag.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 22, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's physically impossible
To avoid a tag without going out of the baseline if Wigginton just stands there in the baseline.
Rollins was able to avoid the tag in this case because Wigginton inexplicably ran past the baseline and had to reach back to try to tag him.
by dkdc on Jun 22, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People avoid tags without going out of the baseline all the time.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 22, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While the position player is in the baseline? It’s possible but very unusual. The runner would either have to leap frog the position player or duck underneath the tag (or pull an A-Rod which is also against the rules). Neither scenario applies to Rollins.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 22, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fake left and go right. Happens all the time.
It’s not the baserunners’ fault if the fielder goes one direction.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 22, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fake left and go right. Happens all the time.
I don’t have the data but I imagine the vast majority of plays at 1B are throw and catch, force outs. These fake and go left/right are exceedingly rare in comparison.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 22, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol well obviously it doesn't happen on routine plays at first base.
But it happens in run downs and tag plays all the time.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re not talking about rundowns. I agree with you there.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the difference? It's a defender attempting to apply a tag to a baserunner in a baseline.
The fact that it’s at first base doesn’t make any difference. A baseline is a baseline.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, that’s fine, not sure what’s the disagreement though. I think we both agree that guys jumping out of the way to avoid a tag aren’t a common thing… I mean run downs aren’t terribly common much less guys jumping out of the way. And by common I mean plays that happen, well, regularly.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true it's not common
but I still think you’re allowed to try to avoid tags
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But hey, you be the judge. About :41 in, you see it in very slow motion. I think there’s no question that from the time he evades (standing to the right of the baseline) to the time he lands on the ground, he has traveled more than five feet.
I think you mean 51 secs and yeah, his left leg is clearly more than 5 feet outside of the basepath. His right leg might be around 5 feet.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 22, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again it doesn't really matter since his hand was already on the base at that point - clearly in the baseline.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 22, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh? His hand wasn’t even close to touching the bag at .51 secs.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 22, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At 51 seconds his feet might be a few feet out of the baseline, but his body is still plenty close enough.
What are we taking the furthest body part away from the base line?
Also, when a runner goes into a slide at 2nd base, the only rule is that he has to be able to touch the bag. Is there any reason there would be a different rule at first? The part of the video where you are saying he’s “5 feet” outside of the baseline (which I still think is an absurd exaggeration) is when he goes into his dive and he clearly can reach the base…you know…since he did.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really need to post a screen shot… in any case.
What are we taking the furthest body part away from the base line?
First frame of 52 seconds, his hand is about a foot away while reaching for the bag. The rest of his body is parallel to the line. I would say he’s body is about 5 feet from the line, but it’s tough to give a precise distance so I wouldn’t be surprised if I was wrong. I would definitely say his body is more than 3 feet which is no no if you’re trying to avoid a tag.
Is there any reason there would be a different rule at first?
For a steal? It’s not a force out which may be the reason.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking about sliding into 2nd to break up a double play. So yes it's a force out.
And when he dives, is he able to reach first base? The answer is yes since he DOES reach first base.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, but I’m not sure what this has to do with the play in question. Z posted the rules. You can’t move more than 3 feet from the baseline in order to avoid a tag.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm saying that I don't think he moved that far to avoid the tag.
The parts of the video that you’ve identified when he moved further than that was part of his dive to the past and at that point I think as long as you can reach the base it’s fine. If there’s a rule that states otherwise then I guess I’m wrong, but it seems fine to me.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The parts of the video that you’ve identified when he moved further than that was part of his dive to the past and at that point I think as long as you can reach the base it’s fine.
I’m not sure why you think it’s fine at that point…. Wiggy tried to apply a tag, Rollins moves to his left to avoid it. At 52 secs (the point at which his body is farthest from the bag after diving to his left), his body is clearly more than 3 feet from the bag. He’s out according to the rules. He didn’t move to the left of the bag for the hell of it… he was positioned there at the 52 second mark because he was dodging a tag.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoops, meant to put the first of my post in quotes.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to post a screen capture tomorrow. I’m sure it’ll be clear once I do that.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless it's from an imaginary camera that lines up perfectly with the baseline don't bother because it's not going to be convincing.
There’s an obvious angle problem with that camera angle. And like I’ve said before I don’t think that the point you’ve identified where his body is farthest from the line is a result of his evasive action, but after it when he’s gone into his dive.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And like I’ve said before I don’t think that the point you’ve identified where his body is farthest from the line is a result of his evasive action,
Huh, he’s not moving to his left for the hell of it! He’s moved that position as the result of dodging a tag. I mean come on! Do you honestly believe he’s at the position captured below because he randomly felt like moving to his left!
but after it when he’s gone into his dive.
He clearly hasn’t gone into a dive here. He’s about to though. This piece of information is irrelevant anyways!
In the above picture, you see Wigg’s arm extended so Rollins is clearly avoiding a tag. I think we can agree on that. Now it’s a question of how far his body is from the line. I would say 3 feet isn’t a “absurd exaggeration” but you say it is (because of a bad camera angle, fine). We’ll just have to agree to disagree.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's one last pic
People can decide for themselves if Rollins is three feet from the line.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like he's going into his dive to me.
And again that camera angle is pretty much worthless since you can’t tell at all how far away from the line his body is. I could care less how far his feet are from the line. Like I said I don’t think the rule book said his furthest body part away from the baseline.
And just so we’re clear I said that 5 feet was an absurd exaggeration – not 3 feet.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ks like he’s going into his dive to me.
That’s irrelevant, he’s dodging a tag (Wigg’s arm is clearly extended in Rollin’s direction)! Beside’s the runner’s distance from the line, that’s the only relevant point in relation to the rulebook.
And again that camera angle is pretty much worthless since you can’t tell at all how far away from the line his body is.
Well, I disagree about the camera angle but whatever. I mean it’s not perfect angle but his body looks about parallel to the line. So the right side of his body (the side closest to the bag) looks at least 3 feet…. 3 feet is what I’m comfortable with, beyond that I can at least understand if someone was skeptical.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The angle isn't WORTHLESS.
as Z stated above. Use the white chalk line to the right of the basepath as a reference. It is 3 feet to the outside of the basepath. And the baseline and basepath are not the same. the basepath is the straightline between bases, as identified by the first and third chalk lines. The baseline, per the rule, is the straight line between the runner and bag when a tag attempt occurs. It sounds like symantics, but there really is a difference there.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 23, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not irrelevant. He's done dodging the tag and going into his dive.
And when you’re going into a dive/slide all you have to be able to do is touch the base.
Regarding the camera angle issue, who’s got a better angle – us with that terrible camera angle or the umpire standing right on the line 10 feet away from the play??? Hmmmm that’s a tough one.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone is arguing who has the better angle
but to say the camera angle is worhless is a bit of a reach. If there were NO reference points for scale that statement would be true. But we do have a scale. Also, the dive is sort of irrelevant. it doesn’t matter if he’s within reaching distance of the base. If he at ANY point is beyond the 3 foot range from HIS baseline he’s out.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 23, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where does it say that in the rule book?
Before Birdman was pointing out frames where his feet had kicked out after he went into his dive toward the base (after he was done avoiding the tag). That’s the part I was arguing with about being in a dive – once you’re done avoiding the tag and diving towards the base who cares how far away your furthest body part is as long as you can reach the base?
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where does it say what?
That he’s outside of the 3 foot mark from his baseline?
7.08 Any runner is out when—
(a) (1) He runs more than three feet away from his baseline to avoid being tagged
unless his action is to avoid interference with a fielder fielding a batted ball. A
runner’s baseline is established when the tag attempt occurs and is a straight
line from the runner to the base he is attempting to reach safely;
At the point he’s more than 3 feet from his baseline he’s out, regardless of what happens after that.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 23, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol I was talking about the part where you said it doesn't matter if he's diving to the base.
After he’s done avoiding the tag.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't matter if he's diving back to the base...
because if while avoiding the tag the runners leaves the 3 foot range from his baseline (not the basepath) he’s out. If he’s out, what happens subsequent to that doesn’t matter. He could run around the bases and score. If he was out, the run doesn’t count.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 23, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And my point was that the images that Birdman was referring to, saying he was outside of the 3 foot path, were after he was done avoiding the tag and going into his dive.
At which point the only thing that matters is if you can reach the base.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he got outside of his three foot path to avoid the tag.
Therefore he’s out.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 23, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And my point was that the images that Birdman was referring to, saying he was outside of the 3 foot path, were after he was done avoiding the tag and going into his dive.
I don’t understand this “done avoiding the tag” and then “diving” language. First off, there is NO DIVE. After he’s done jumping, he merely falls down to tag the base (rewatch the tape). There is no done avodign the tag moment, he leaps to avoid the tag and then falls down to touch the base.
In any case, to keep the discussion FOCUSED, the pics I posted show where he landed after jumping to avoid the tag. He looks like he’s more than three feet to me. But hey, that’s just my two cents.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no dive? What is it called when a player goes to the ground hands first to reach a base?
sounds like and looks like a dive to me.
And like I said the camera angle is NOT GOOD, so it’s very hard to tell where his feet are at any point in relation to his baseline or his upper body.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I’m going to quote your own words to point out the your inconsistency. “A player goes to the ground hands first to reach a base?” “Goes to the ground” and “reach” could easily fall within the category of falling down. A dive is usually defined as an act of propelling oneself. There is no act of propelling himself in the video. Seriously, rewatch it.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did it look like an unintentional fall to you???/
IT was so obviously an intentional dive.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was an intentional fall, but as I KEEP SAYING, this is all IRREVELANT. What matters is where he landed after he was done jumping, and if that spot was more than 3 feet. You believe he was within 3 feet. Cool brother. I don’t just get this “done avoiding the tag” and “diviing” jive.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my point was
that he was beyond the 3 foot mark avoiding the tag before the dive even started, therefore he was out.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 23, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, yeah, we get it, the camera angle is bad, you can’t tell from that angle, seriously, we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A baseball base is a 15 inch square. It looks like about 2.5 bags (which is about 3 feet) could fit between Rollins and the line… hell, I would say at least 3.5 bags could MAYBE fit between Rollins and the line but I’ll go with the more conservative estimate since the precise location of where Rollin’s body start isn’t clear.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Looks like 1.5 bases or 2 at most to me.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes really.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it's not that he's can't be three feet from the bag...
as stated in the rule posted above
7.08 Any runner is out when—
(a) (1) He runs more than three feet away from his baseline to avoid being tagged
unless his action is to avoid interference with a fielder fielding a batted ball. A
runner’s baseline is established when the tag attempt occurs and is a straight
line from the runner to the base he is attempting to reach safely;
So technically if he’s on the pitchers mound when the tag attempt occurs, the baseline then becomes the straight line from the mound to the bag. If at any point he strays more that 3 feet from that imaginary straight line he’s called out. It really has nothing to do with the chalk baseline or being within a certain distance of the bag.
I took the oppurtunity, using Paint mind you, because I don’t have photoshop here, to overlay what I think to be the “baseline” as per the rule. Using the white line to the right of the basepath as a reference point (3 feet) and the runners inside foot, giving him the benefit of the doubt, you can clearly see that he was at least 3 feet trying to avoid the tag.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 23, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The top right and the bottom left look really close to three feet which is why I posted my pics above which clearly show AT LEAST 3 feet while Wigg’s arm is extended in Rollin’s direction.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also note
Rollins is JUMPING to his left to avoid the tag (his foot is planted in the top left frame to start his jump). In the top right and and bottom left frames, his jump is only beginning. In my frames above, he’s landed from his jump thus representing the furthest point from the line.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
again...with that camera angle you have no idea where his body actually is. Just his feet. Which I don't really care about.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You HAVE to care about his feet.
Playing it conservatively, his feet are the closest thing to his baseline, unless he’s standing on his head, then his head would be. In the bottom left picture his feet are the closest thing to his baseline. They appear (to me) to be somewhere between 2 and 3 feet from his baseline. Any other part of his body in that frame by being higher than his feet from the ground are further from his baseline. At some point between that frame and the next frame shown his entire body was further from his baseline than that.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 23, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh??? His feet are the closest thing to his baseline????
Not true at all. Look at the images – his upper body is leaning dramatically back over the ACTUAL baseline.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Compare his shadow to Roberts' shadow and it's clear that his upper body is angled back towards the baseline.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay
and what if hes mark hendrickson and angles his tall friggin body all the way back to the bag? its gotta be where his feet are in comparison to the baseline when running
by twistedlogic on Jun 23, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why? Because "it's gotta be"?
Seems like the rule is open to interpretation and obviously the umpire didn’t think that’s what mattered.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the rule says "runs"
what body part do you run with, if not your feet?
by twistedlogic on Jun 23, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you run are only your feet moving?
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats not the point
if it wasnt relative to foot position then it wouldnt be 3 ft for everybody. if he can lean over, then he could potentially be way out of the baseline, but still have part of his body within 3 ft. then brian roberts could try that, but he certain cant lean as far as rollins
by twistedlogic on Jun 23, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that he appears to be leaning back toward the line.
But to say that you think his knee, or hip, any thing higher is closer on a straight line to the line is wrong in my opinion. The rule says a baseline, not a baseplane… therefore you can’t extend the baseline toward the sky. You can draw a straight line from any point on the runners body directly to the bag, that’s the runners baseline (at least that’s how I read it). If at anypoint he’s outside of the 3 foot range of that line he’s out. So pick a body part in the first frame (when it appears the tag is being attempted) and draw a straight line to the bag. Does he go beyond the 3 foot range at any time? I think he does.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 23, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't have to be a straightline - just within 3 feet from the straight line.
And if his feet barely look like they’re outside of 3 feet from that line (and they don’t to me) then the rest of his body is surely not anywhere close to 3 feet outside of that straight line.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does have to be a straight line.
The rule says it.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 23, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right! But you don't have to stay directly on top of that straight line - just 3 feet within it!
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right.
and by the frames shown he’s outside of the 3 foot mark of that straight line.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 23, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where????
The ones you’re talking about I see his foot being 2.5-3 feet outside of the straight line and the rest of his body leaning back over the baseline. Nothing even close to concrete showing he’s 3 feet outside of his line.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In this frame his feet are decidely outside of the 3 foot path. His body is leaning back toward the bag, not toward is original baseline. Unless Rollins is only 3-4 feet tall no part of his body is within the 3 foot path. Again, the baseline is a straight line at the moment the tag is attempted, not a plane from the ground to the sky.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 23, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's diving! Not avoiding the tag anymore.
His feet are clearly not planted.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you think he got to that position...
by avoiding the tag. As you can see Wiggy is still trying to tag him.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 23, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His feet kicked out further when he went into his dive.
If he’s outside of the 3 foot line when he was planted that would be fine, but i’ve yet to see an image that definitively, or even close to definitively, shows that.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s diving! Not avoiding the tag anymore.
THERE IS NO DIVIING DAMN IT!!!! Rewatch the tape, he lands and falls down to tag the base.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
easy now
i guess the act of “falling” could be confused with “diving”
by twistedlogic on Jun 23, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
word, I don't think I'm being terribly unfair by making a conceptual distinction between falling and diving.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did he jump, get horizontal in mid-air, and just happen to fall on the base????
He was very obviously diving into the base. Sorry dude.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rewatch the video, he jumps to avoid the tag, lands (which is point that my pics show), and then falls down to touch the base.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he intentionally falls down to touch the bag it's a dive.
It’s not going to look like a typical propelled dive, because he’s not at full running speed after breaking down to fake out wiggy. Doesn’t make it any less of a dive.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he intentionally falls down to touch the bag it’s a dive.
I don’t care if he was doing a triple lutz, it’s IRRELEVANT. But yeah, you’re not using the word dive as it is typically used.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As in when somebody goes head first into a base? Seems appropriate to me.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize that someone could fall head first into a base.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see him trip????
NO IT WAS A CONSCIOUS DECISION!
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
falls down intentionally to touch the base = DIVING!
I don’t know what else you would describe it is. Unless there is a speed requirement to dive.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No speed requirement, but thrust. from meriam webster, dive: “to thrust into something.” There is no thrust here, he just fell into the bag.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
should he have "thrust" past the base????
if you’re within a body length of the bag then you’re not going to propel yourself past it!!!!
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes exactly, that’s why there is no dive. if he actually he made a dive, you’re going to propel yourself past the bag.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
says who? forgive me for using the most widely used source to define words.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So when a base runner has his lead from a base and it's a short one,
And the pitcher catches him off balance with a pickoff move, but he’s too close to propel himself back tot he base and just falls to it with his hand on it. Is that not called diving back into the base???
Sorry but that’s still diving back into the base.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely because there’s thrust involved. There was no thrust involved in the play in question. He, well, fell down.
And yes, I recognize that there are slang words in baseball in which the Merriam Webster is not appropriate (e.g., “greenies”). But the word “dive”? Dive is a rather normal, common action rather than a specialized term specific to baseball. Thus using the M-W doesn’t seems like a stretch to me.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're honestly saying that he lost his balance or tripped and accidentally fell down and just happened to land on the bag?????
I’m sorry but that my friend is just plain absurd!
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, a fall is whenever someone simply moves from standing vertical to lying flat to the ground w/o thrust. You’re assigning a psychological disposition to falling… ugh watever, fishing, man, fishing.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe in every day life.
But on the baseball field when a baserunner intentionally goes into a base head/hands first it’s called diving. Any argument otherwise is absurd. He’s not just falling randomly – he’s diving into the base. The fact that he’s too close to propel himself doesn’t make it any less of a dive.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t you don’t believe there’s a difference betweeen a fall and dive, cool, we’re talking about semantics at this point.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A fall implies that it was unintentional.
On a baseball field if you go head first into a base intentionally it’s a dive. No other way around it. Sorry man.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still say it was a triple lutz.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not much different from you describing it as a fall - equally wrong.
so good shit as far as i’m concerned.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the logic here. You’re not using words as I define them, thus you’re wrong.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No i'm not using the words that you're using because they are WRONG!
He didn’t “fall down” onto the bag. He dove into first base.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
M-W is wrong. Ok, whatever, I’m going fishing too.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh? No M-W is not wrong. You are wrong for consulting M-W and applying that definition to the baseball field.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool, whatever.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
next we’re going to be arguing definition of what a fence is.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me: a fence is a wall-like structure.
you: no, come on man, a fence is actually…
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the call needs to be made
right at the instant he was diving, unless he went outside the 3ft limit before that point
by twistedlogic on Jun 23, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh? No it needs to be made when he's avoiding the tag. That's when the 3 foot limit matters.
It doesn’t matter at all when he’s diving.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
and hes trying to avoid the tag at the point he dove
by twistedlogic on Jun 23, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh??? He's diving into the base.
He’s DONE avoiding the tag.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
looks like wiggys still trying to tag him
by twistedlogic on Jun 23, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But his evasive action to avoid the tag is complete. And now he's diving into the base.
Wiggy can try to tag him after he’s on the base too, but he won’t be avoiding him any more.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all one swift motion.
The entire movement can be considered “avoiding the tag.” Therefore he’s outside the path trying to avoid the tag.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 23, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. Since diving into the base gets him closer to the tag attempt.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My whole point in this discussion is that I don't see ANYTHING definitive from these screen shots.
Like I said if there was a camera right in line with the foul line maybe there would be something definitive, but I don’t see anything. In some shots his feet look like they’re pushing the 3 foot line, but certainly not clearly over it.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 23, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I give up
I agree that he was out. You don’t. The Ump called him out and we won. So I no longer give a shit. Time to go fishin’.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 23, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
give me back that filet of fish
give me that fish
by twistedlogic on Jun 23, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 23, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, I wish i had my screen capture software with me. At 51 sec (at late 51 secs since there are few different frames within that second), his arm is clearly 3 to 4 feet from the bag and his right knee is about 5 feet away from the line.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the first frame of 52 seconds shows Rollins’ position the best.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 23, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toke
Awesome game. Screw those boorish fans who bitched at me on Friday for clapping after Rich Hill’s quality start.
by mrjavascript on Jun 21, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sunday
I have been dressing my 5 month old daughter in her Os onesie on Sunday’s to watch the game the last two weeks. That HAS to be it. Sorry for not doing it earlier in the year but it just started fitting.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 21, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m liking Andino. What’s his age in relation to Izturis? With the pop and potential pop in the lineup I can deal with an Andino/Izturis type batting in the 9 hole and playing a solid SS.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 21, 2009 10:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
andino's a few years younger...
and izturis does seem to have a knack for picking up little injuries. definitely curious to see how this plays out.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jun 21, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A better question is...how well can Andino play 3rd...?
by Tetris on Jun 22, 2009 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the guy and all
but if the left side of our infield is Cesar and Dino, well, that might just suck when it comes time to hit the ball.
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jun 22, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, remember when we took 2 out of 3 in Wrigley last year against those overrated Cubs?
One-upping that by sweeping the defending World Series Champs is much much much much more Birdland than that was. Let’s keep killing this lame excuse of a division that is the NL East.
by Timmy L. on Jun 21, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
...
one thing you must learn is that as an orioles fan of our generation, we don’t really have room to talk any shit.
it always comes back to bite us.
by Y Not on Jun 21, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to sound like an arrogant Orioles fan, but...
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
by OEutaw on Jun 22, 2009 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
I have been saying this the whole time during interleague. IT’s my own opinion. The NL East is weak this year. I said before the ATL series we would win it, I said before the Mets series we would win it (and even after the opening game loss). People laughed at me, people said “Watch what you’re saying” or “Have you watched this team?” or simply “No they’re not.” The Phillies have sucked at home, so I was not surprised we won the series (although we suck on the road). And look at what they did: they won each series. I think I am entitled to my opinion or expectation for series wins against both the Marlins and Nationals (they have worse records than the Mets and Phillies). Our pitching the past week is improving, I can see us staying hot for a little while longer.
Yea, the decade has been rough, but better times are coming. Nothing wrong with rooting for your team, being positive right now, and actually having a little confidence. And if we lose some games to FLA and WAS, oh well, then I was wrong.
Fucking deal with it. I know there are others that have the same opinion as I do. Sorry if I am venting, I am just excited for the change that is coming, be it now, or be it in 2011. The earlier, the better.
by Timmy L. on Jun 22, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Guthrie
Man I have been hard on him this season for his performance. He needed a good outing and he picked a great time to have it. I am proud of him and he is Birdland and my pick this game.
Brandon Snyder, 1B. Remember that name.
by Baysox39 on Jun 21, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That dude has some serious Guts!
I love how this excellent start from Guthrie came right after Mr. Schmuck wrote this article for the Sun now that’s just too much negativity…even though Guthrie’s not the best pitcher in the league and that there are many pitchers w/ the O’s that will be better than Guthrie ever will…He is the leader of this staff and I respect that : ) …back to the game, a funny thing Dobbs’ HR happened when I stepped out of the room for a second, so to me it was a perfect start
This was one of the best games I’ve seen this year…can’t wait ‘till this Marlins series (since I live just an 1.5 hrs away…I’m driving to all these games) Go O’s
by Tetris on Jun 22, 2009 3:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if you're like me and you can't get enough of the fat kid
he’s in the mlb.com game recap:
http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200906215183173&c_id=bal
by thewaywardO on Jun 22, 2009 7:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This kid is the real Philly Phanatic.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Jun 22, 2009 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's great!
I dropped an edited WTF when that kid showed up on the screen.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 22, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd say its wiggy's offspring
but hes wearing the wrong colors
by twistedlogic on Jun 22, 2009 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, he's the Mini-me
to the guy behind him.
by fishoutawata on Jun 22, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lawl
i didnt even notice that guy!
by twistedlogic on Jun 22, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm tellin' ya
It’s Bobby Hill. “That boy ain’t right.”
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
by sluggo 2.0 on Jun 22, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny wiggy trivia
….Chick-fil-a “owns” the foul poles at Minute Maid Park in Houston. Anytime a player hits the foul pole, everybody at the game gets a free chicken sandwich. Wiggy is one of two players (Hunter Pence has done it twice) to hit the foul pole. How appropriate for Ty
by twistedlogic on Jun 23, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i need to go on 3-day weekends more often
i was at an inn in the country doing a triathlon and didn’t pay any attention at all to the o’s this weekend. we didn’t even have a tv or internet connection. i should do that more often…
starting pitching in philly has to be birdland, but i didn’t vote because i didn’t see anything but the ninth. sherrill looked solid again – sawed off werth and a very nice pitch.
by henhoo on Jun 22, 2009 8:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday
was also the end of Ryan Howards 343 consecutive games streak, which was the most for any active player. He only had 2290 to go and he woulda had it! Maybe next time…
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jun 22, 2009 9:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, WTF is this?
http://wire.rotoinfo.com/2009/06/21/gamethread-orioles-31-37-at-phillies-36-30/
A big fat rip off is what it is…
"Whether your name is Gehrig or Ripken, DiMaggio or Robinson, or that of some youngster who picks up his bat or puts on his glove, you are challenged by the game of baseball to do your very best day in and day out. That's all I've ever tried to do."
by spike2131 on Jun 22, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It looks like
Camden Chat minus 50!
by sickuvitall on Jun 22, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
That’s what comes up on Google News blog search instead of CC.
"Whether your name is Gehrig or Ripken, DiMaggio or Robinson, or that of some youngster who picks up his bat or puts on his glove, you are challenged by the game of baseball to do your very best day in and day out. That's all I've ever tried to do."
by spike2131 on Jun 22, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG, yet *ANOTHER* QS by Guts-- and with an actual win this time!?! This is REALLY gonna p*ss somebody off...
And what a series! ‘Course, it’s not exactly a mystery that the Phorking Phillies are Phull of it, playing in the punk-enhanced NPL East. Did I mention that league, um, sucks? Still, it’s nice to make the point on the field, which you have to do every so often. OK, every year. Who knows, maybe PC Bud will actually get embarrassed at some point and stop the slaughter, standardize the rules and so on.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
What?!? It could happen!!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Jun 22, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah this QS was EXACTLY the same as his other recent QS - all just as good! No difference at all!
QS is all that matters!!!!
by O'sFan21 on Jun 22, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Run, run for cover-- he could blow any minute!!!!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Jun 22, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back from a week in Rome
AJ is really coming back to earth.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 22, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bound to happen, he wasn't going to hit like Pujols the entire season.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 22, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW...
here’s the reason I wasn’t around to do the post-game.
Thanks for filling in, fix.
"I don't have a hit-and-run sign, and I believe it's the worst play in baseball." - Earl Weaver
by duck on Jun 22, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"All God's Chillun Got Guns"
Musical number from the Marx Brothers’ best film – get this – Duck Soup.
Hey, sometimes they write themselves. (;-)
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
by sluggo 2.0 on Jun 22, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one else in the pic
quiet day at the gun club, huh? or did they all run for cover? ;)
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Jun 22, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is Luke Scott?
"Daddy, is Hevan like BIRDLAND?"
"No son, Hevan is BIRDLAND."
by BENNY BIRDMAN on Jun 23, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem, and I enjoyed it
I am enjoying this thing called “contribution”
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Jun 23, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you Luke Scott?
He wasn’t around this series, either.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Jun 23, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Hey
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 23, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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