They Are Who We Thought Were....
by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2009 9:32 AM EDT
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....and we let 'em off the hook. No pun intended.
This is my first time doing a game recap, although there is very little to recap. The O's once again made an average pitcher look fantastic while showing off a clear understanding of the game's fundamentals.
We started with two runners on in the first inning (yea, even Felix Pie got a hit), but got no runs. The Marlins did the same, mostly thanks to a Jason Berken four pitch walk, but they actually capitalized on Hanley Ramirez's two run single. All 21 fans at the luxurious LandShark Stadium went nuts.
The Marlins would get another run on Cody Ross' double (once again following a Jason Berken walk) and all 21 fans went nuts. Jason Berken actually didn't pitch so bad and he wasn't really helped out by any solid defense (Melmo) or run support.
The O's actually tried to make it interesting in the 6th with a routine groundball from Nick Markakis that Marlin's 3B Emilio Bonaficio (you know you're bad when the Nationals get rid of you. Just ask Daniel Cabrera) threw away to score Brian Roberts. Even Melvin Mora got an RBI single.
Mark Hendrickson tried his very best to give the two runs right back, but Nick Markakis, who now leads the AL in outfield assists, wouldn't have anything of it. He threw a rocket from RF to gun down Jeremy Hermida at the plate. Dan Uggla decided to make an O's-esque baserunning mistake and not take second on the throw, allowing Hendro to work out of the jam and at least postponing further damage.
This is where it gets good. Bonaficio reached first on an infield single, barely beating a good throw from Brian Roberts. Unfortunately, C Matt Wieters, trying to nail the basestealer, put the throw into center. Yes, even He makes mistakes on occasion. To make things worse, Felix Pie decided to think for once. "I was trying to decide where to throw the ball," said Pie after the game, "then I realized I hadn't actually thought about anything in a while, so I decided to pause for a brief moment to mark the occasion!" Meanwhile, Bonaficio waltzed home for the Marlins fourth run and I turned the game off. All 21 fans went nuts.
Something must have happened after that because the scored ended up 5-2. I'm sure it was exciting. Hoping to avoid a sweep, the O's are back at again tonight at 7:10 on MASN2. Rich Hill will be on the mound looking to duplicate his solid performance againts the Phils last Friday.
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Pie has to go
Should have Dave Trembly on here for getting Felix Pie out of the game. I don’t care if Adam Jones needs a night off — play Nick in CF. Pie lobbing the ball in when Bonifacio stole 2nd base, took 3rd on Wieters throwing error lead to him scoring. There should have been an error charged to Pie for stupidity.
Pie has to go. We don’t need to carry a pinch runner on the squad. Guthrie can play that role & if we need a position player to fill that position, Gathright & Fiorentino are in AAA.
PLEASE -- JUST PLEASE THROW STRIKES.
by oriolepete on Jun 25, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Disagree. He made one mistake.
Other than he’s been playing great off the bench for us – even hitting a little bit. If we dumped all of our players every time they made a mistake it’d be a pretty small and fluctuating roster.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick in CF? that there should tell you why exactly he shouldn’t be let go..
What up?
by snakethejake on Jun 25, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably one of the funniest recaps I have read
“All 21 fans at the luxurious LandShark Stadium went nuts” hahaha
Although, it does not do a great job expressing how infuriatingly horrible this attempt at “baseball” was.
Roberts is probably the only player I would have put on the MBP vote. However, this is a mute point because I knew yesterday I was going to vote for no one. No one was birdland last night. Nick may have made a good play in the OF, but he looked confused at home plate the entire game.
Excuse my language here, but why the fuck can this team not be even remotely consistent? Its painful. We all know we have the hitters, but whether its base running or slumps, we cannot put it all together on a consistent basis. Just what the fuck?
by Johnny_S on Jun 25, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i know
its terrible. i turned it off last nite because i was so frustrated after watching two nites of constant mental mistakes. pie’s complete boneheadedness put me over the edge. the hitting looked slightly better in philly, but this series has shown that absolutely nobody is out of the slump. scott continues to look clueless at the plate. nicky has a great eye, but hes getting too picky considering hes not hitting much of anything. jones swings at everything. wieters cant hit with two strikes. GAH.
okay done ranting for a while
by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also Nicky has been getting himself into 2-0 and 3-1 counts and then taking weak swings at balls to get himself out!
Unrelated – hate to be that guy (well…not really, but that’s what you’re supposed to say right??), but this is the second day in a row I’ve seen the “mute point” phrase here and it’s beginning to bother me. It’s MOOT – not mute unless it’s a point that can’t speak.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well normally hitting speaks for itself
but if nobody’s hitting…….
by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
It is mute. Moot is a derivative of that… And an incorrect one at that.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 25, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My statement was wrong
But moot does not make sense in the way you describe it either. When someone says a moot point it essentially means there’s no use in discussing it because it doesn’t matter anymore. When in fact moot as an adjective means the opposite… Debatable.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 25, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
arguments about english
aren’t birdland
by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong?
My interpretation of moot point or the actual definition of moot as I stated above?
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 25, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also I like how you say "the way you describe it" like I just invented the phrase.
Rather than it being a well-known and universally accepted phrase.
And I think the point of the phrase in common language is that something is a moot point and is not really worth discussing because nothing can come of discussing it – it is purely academic (which is actually mentioned in many of the definitions).
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
The universally accepted interpretation is wrong though… According to the definition
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 25, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm disagree.
I think my description above makes perfect sense.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a Moo Point
It’s like a cow’s opinion. It’s Moo.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 25, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i meant for that to be the caption
whoops
by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?! These sources don’t matter when it comes to baseball!
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we talking about something baseball-specific? No, but good try!
thanks for stopping by.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm just j/k dude.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think thats the point birdman was trying to make
although if i have any english issues in the future, i’ll be sure to check here
by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he was coming back to an argument he and I had about the definition of "dive".
lol
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which was also MUCH more entertaining than working I might add.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
i forgot about the dive thing
although i recommend you find yourself a new line of work
by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not that i enjoy coming to work everday either
by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My job's actually pretty sweet in that I work from home.
But the actual work is no fun. No fun at all.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the first few hours arent bad
but right about now, i go crazy knowing that i’ll be here another 3 hours.
and then commute 2 hrs home
by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think there’s an informal usage of the word “moot” in the baseball lexicon. But O’sfan21 likes his own definitions so who knows.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dive? As him Ice Hockey or a real shitty place to go or live?
Brandon Snyder, 1B. Remember that name.
by Baysox39 on Jun 25, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As in a hockey.......
I can’t type today
Brandon Snyder, 1B. Remember that name.
by Baysox39 on Jun 25, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No there isn't. Which was the point.
Dive has a meaning on the baseball field. “mute point” does not.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know, that’s why I said, “I don’t think there’s an informal usage of the word "moot" in the baseball lexicon.” But I didn’t think dive had a special “meaning” in baseball. Up until yesterday, I thought a dive was just a dive and falling down was just falling down.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and like we talked about yesterday I’ve never heard it described as falling down when somebody intentionally goes head first into a base…
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, he didn’t even go head first into the bag (check the video)…. his body moved from a vertical position to a horizontal position left of the bag while reaching out for it (duck!).
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoops messed up the italics.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so in other words, he didn’t dove/fell into 1B, he dove/fell left of the bag while reaching out for it, although I’m guessing this is a trivial detail for you.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right - he tripped and fell down and just happened to reach for the base.
Totally unintentionally. Blind luck that he ended up near the base.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never said it was accident. Falling/diving is a physical act, not a psychological disposition.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other words, you’re assiging intentionality.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it's intentionally - to me at least - it can't be "falling."
When you go skydiving do you “fall” out of the plane even if you don’t “thrust” out of it? No you obviously jump.
When you dive off a diving board but don’t thrust off of it is it falling? No it’s diving.
If you intentionally go head first into a base during a baseball game it is very much diving. Regardless of the speed, force, thrust, whatever else.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well hopefully you jump
a fall would suck while skydiving….
if at first you don’t succeed, skydiving isn’t for you!
by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
time flies like an arrow
fruit flies like a banana
by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you go skydiving do you "fall" out of the plane even if you don’t "thrust" out of it? No you obviously jump.
When you dive off a diving board but don’t thrust off of it is it falling? No it’s diving.
I don’t understand these examples… if anything, they prove my point. Both cases involve thrust, thus they’re diving. If a person just leaned over a plane and fell out, they fell even if they intended. But I guess you would say they’re diving because they intended to move that way. Whatever, as far as I can tell, you see diving as somene intending to move in a particular direction (the actual physical movement doesn’t matter, it’s the intention), whereas a fall is accidental irrespective of whether he or she makes a diving motion. Cool, ain’t no thang. Whatever floats your boat.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stepping out of an airplane involves thrust???
Doing a non-jumping dive off a diving board involves thrust???
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really don’t think falling implies that it was unintentional??? I’ve never ever heard somebody say that they intentionally fell in any circumstance except maybe skiing/snowboarding when I’ve heard of people falling intentionally if they get out of control.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really don’t think falling implies that it was unintentional???
Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn’t, which is exactly why I don’t like the pyschological disposition definition. When you define these terms as a particular physical motion, it’s much more clear cut… or at least easier to come to agreeable observation since intentions are unobserverable.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I've said probably 20 times.
On a baseball field, if somebody intentionally goes head first into a base, it is a dive. That’s the only word for it. You’re the first person I’ve ever heard in 20 years of playing, watching, reading about, or listening to baseball describe it as a fall.
It would be one thing if he slipped/tripped/lost his balance, but that’s clearly not what happened.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a baseball field, if somebody intentionally goes head first into a base, it is a dive.
Yes, this could be dive in my book too… serioiusly, let’s just drop it.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the people in an argument who say “let’s just drop it”.
Dude – you’re on a blog. We’re not talking in person. If you really wanted to “drop it” you would just stop posting.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok fine. Yes, it’s a dive if he thrusted for the bag. You don’t agree. Let’s drop it.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be happy to continue this discussion, it’s a silly semantics debate at this point. I must admit that I enjoy silly semantics debates though. But the conversation has played it’s course.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This silly semantics debate (and the other one about mute/moot)
has killed a solid 3 hours of my work day!
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, they don’t, that’s why it’s a fall! If you walk to the edge of a diving board, and simply let the weight of your body push you over, that’s a fall! You could do this intentionally or unintentionally. It’s a fall either way. I see this as a dive it’s intentional, cool, man, whatever. Seriously, I really don’t care.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha so a normal swan dive (which I was taught at least doesn't involve jumping but just guiding your body into the water) isn't a dive???
Funny name for a “fall”.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so a normal swan dive (which I was taught at least doesn’t involve jumping but just guiding your body into the water) isn’t a dive???
Well, that’s not quite the same though, in a swan dive, you’re contorting your body in a dive fashion, in a fall, you’re just letting whatever gravity take you…. you know, take you.
I find it odd that you’re bringing up non-baseball examples since you argued at LENGTH about how you can’t use non-baseball examples to determine what is and isnt’ a dive in baseball.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And again if he had "let gravity take" him wherever it took him,
would his hand have magically landed on the base????
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
would his hand have magically landed on the base????
I thought he fell and then reached out for bag. That’s what I saw and how I would describe semantically. Seriously, this isn’t going anywhere.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops, didn't mean to do the strike out.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's probably
a “you struck out more than luke scott” joke in there
by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also how do they involve any more thrust than what Rollins did?
If directing your body towards something (out of a plane by stepping out the hatch, or off of a diving board without jumping) is is diving then so is what Rollins did.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you saw poe-tawt-o
i say poe-tae-toe
by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love your attempts at solving the dispute
Hilarious.
by Johnny_S on Jun 25, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, much appreciated.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If directing your body towards something… is diving then so is what Rollins did.
Well, Rollins wasn’t directing his body towards anything… like I said before, he actually landed left of the bag. I don’t think he intended to land left of the bag. but it was quite the chaotic play, he kind of fell and reached for the bag. But I’m sure you have a different interepretation.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok well if you honestly think that he lost his balance and fell then it's appropriate for you to describe it as such.
I thought he was diving to the base – I wouldn’t expect him to dive with his face on the bag, so diving off to the side is pretty much expected. Same as when you dive back on a pickoff throw.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok well if you honestly think that he lost his balance and fell then it’s appropriate for you to describe it as such.
I think Rollins jumped hard to left to avoid the tag, landed, saw that he needed to tag the base once he landed, sort of lost his a balance and tried to fall towards the bag but failed. Thus he reached out with his hand to the tag the base So yes, I honestly think he sort of lost his balance.
so diving off to the side is pretty much expected
This I don’t quite get… you always want to run/fall/dive directly towards the bag unless the player with the ball is in your direct path (e.g., a pick off move as you say) which doesn’t apply here (Wiggs was clearly no where near the bag at that point). The fact that he didn’t move towards the bag directly suggests he lost his balance a bit… not completely mind you, but that he didn’t completely have his bearings. If he completely lost his balance, he may have fallen towards the mound or home plate.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you think he lost his balance. I don't.
He was on the left side of the base to begin with, so did you expect him to dive back to the center of the base? No he’s going to dive to the closest part of the base, which is what he did.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I said he partially lost his balance. And to answer your question, I expect him to dive to the bag (probably to the left side of the bag as you point out) which he CLEARLY did not do which suggests he partially lost his balance.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't dive to the left side of the bag??? Looks like he did to me.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just went back and looked at the pics you poasted the other day.
If you don’t think that’s the left side of the base then we’ve got a much bigger argument than whether or not he dove…
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn’t dive to the left side of the bag??? Looks like he did to me.
Just to be clear, he landed LEFT of the bag (hence him having to reach out his arm), not left side of the bag. There’s a HUGE difference. Hope I’m being clear.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's a huge CONCEPTUAL difference that is.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if he ended up exactly where everybody would expect him to wind up then what exactly did you mean by
“which he CLEARLY did not do which suggests he partially lost his balance.”
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let me break this down for you.
A baserunner, assuming there is no player with the ball in his way, is expected to move directly to the base. I believe we can all agree on this premise w/o explanation. And by directly, I mean a straight line.
IF we can accept this premise, then we would expect Rollins to move directly to base, not to left of the base, not to the right of the base. but directly to the base since Wiggs was not in his way.
Since he did not do this, he actually moved to the left of the base (not the left side of the base) and he had to compensate for missing the bag by reaching out with his hand, it suggest something is amiss.
What could be amiss? I’m guessing he lost his balance A BIT or else he would have moved directly to the base. He come close to the base though so I don’t think he lost his balance completely.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But your very first assumption was NOT the case in this situation.
He was left of the base so he dove left of the base. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
Why on earth would a runner dive back away from the spot where he is to hit the middle of the base? I’ve never seen anybody do that before nor can I think of a single reason anybody would do that.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But your very first assumption was NOT the case in this situation.
As I remember the video, Wigg was not in Rollin’s direct path when reached for the base. I believe, he right of the baseline. So the first assumption very much holds. This is a very simple observation that could be confirmed. I could post a screen shot if you like. I’m about 99.9% sure that Wiggs was right of the basepath.
Why on earth would a runner dive back away from the spot where he is to hit the middle of the base?
He lost his balance a bit, not a lot, but just enough to knock him off his intended target a little bit. It really isn’t that surprising given the chaos.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HE WENT LEFT TO AVOID THE TAG
what did you expect him to come back to the center of the base line in the 4 feet between that and first base???
Wiggy was definitely right of the baseline – I wasn’t saying that he was diving to the left to avoid him. He had already moved left to avoid him. So why the hell would he move back to the center of the baseline instead of just diving towards the closest corner of the bag to him? Nobody would do that. It would be completely ridiculous. You dive/slide for the closest part of the base to your path.
On a play at the plate where a catcher comes up the line to field an errant throw, does the base runner run around him and then back to the center of the base path to touch the middle of home plate on his slide??? No he slides in the path where he is and reaches to touch the closest part of home plate to him.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what did you expect him to come back to the center of the base line in the 4 feet between that and first base???
I expect him to dive for the LEFT SIDE of the bag… assuming nobody is in the way. I thnik I made this point before…, my bad if I didn’t communicate this clearly. I think we both agree that runner will move his body towards the side of the base that he’s closest to.
But Rollins did not, he left to the LEFT of the bag and compensated by reaching out his hand. If he was in complete control of his body, he would simply move directly towards the bag w/o having to compensate with his hand.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“If he was in complete control of his body, he would simply move directly towards the bag w/o having to compensate with his hand.”
This is the part I don’t agree with. It’s like you expect him to dive with his head pointed directly at the base. That’s just not what baseball players do. They dive/slide in the path that they are running and reach for the base.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, cool, at least we understand each other now. And yes, you’re right, I expect him to move with his hands pointed directly at the base. Why? Because it’s the most efficient and quickest way to the base ASSUMING nobody is in the way. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. If you move to the base with your hands pointing directly at the base, then you’re making a straight line metaphorically with your body.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was left of the base so he dove left of the base.
And do you mean LEFT SIDE of the base or LEFT of the base? If you believe the later, then you don’t accept my first assumption.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh???
Like I said – you dive/slide in the path where you are and reach to touch the closest part of the base/plate. Nobody adjusts their dive or slide so that they are pointed at the center of the bag. He dove straight towards the base from his line and touched the closest part of the base.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, yes, we agree on this.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any grammar/english debate on the Orioles blog
I have to say that the apostophe is upside down in O’s.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Jun 25, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
wow, you know it’s a bad day in Birdland when ppl are arguing over Mute/Moot point…
The O's will contend in 2010
by O's n Natty Bohs on Jun 25, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its also a bad day in birdland
when, in fact, nobody is birdland.
by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not because your statement was 100% wrong - absurdly so!
Here are some fun links on the matter:
http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/mute.html
http://languagerules.wordpress.com/2006/09/25/moot-point-not-mute-point/
I’m a big fan of this one http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mute_point
http://edgewriter.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/feeling-peevish-mute-point-bo-and-car-farts/
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moot as an adjective
Main Entry:
3moot
Function:
adjective
Date:
circa 1587
1 a: open to question : debatable b: subjected to discussion : disputed
2: deprived of practical significance : made abstract or purely academic
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 25, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just pointing out that I can admit when my interpretation of word is dead wrong
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 25, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This moot point should become mute
Maybe I was right when I said mute.
by Johnny_S on Jun 25, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, but...
rickey nolasco is pretty good. i’d actually probably prefer him to any starting pitcher the o’s are currently trotting out, save for maybe bergesen.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jun 25, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
seriously
Nolasco did a pretty good Cole Hamels impression last year. He struggled out the gate this year, but hes been fantastic his last four starts since coming off of his demotion. hes going to be one of the better pitchers in the league for the rest of the season. O’s shot themselves in the foot a bunch, but its no shame in being completely shut down by Nolasco.
by UMterp08 on Jun 25, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I found it amusing that Trembley blasted Pie
Holding the ball is inexcusable. But Trembly also blasted him for the base running mistake. Gee, if only that were an isolated incident. The entire team routinely runs into outs. I figure Trembley ought to take a hard look at that and blast a number of people instead of throwing one guy. He can start with a look in the mirror.
This team can get all the up and coming talent they want. It will still be tough to overcome a lack of baseball intelligence. To add the to the problem, that kind of crap makes the team difficult to watch.
by drj on Jun 25, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know. You can't blast Pie in the same way you can't yell at a special ed. kid.
You put him out there, what can you expect? I got the feeling after Pie made like 2 or 3 alright catches in an inning, and in the next inning, after Luke tracked a ball down, he did a glove slap with Pie.
It was some special education encouragement, I swear. It just looked dumb.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Jun 25, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
Did you see that one “special” moment Pie had at the beginning of the game? He caught a deep pop up to center to end the inning. Then he tried to be “cool” and tossed it around the back to Nick. First of all, Nick was not even looking. Second of all, it went about 15 feet north of where Nick was standing. I had a good chuckle out of that.
by Johnny_S on Jun 25, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea… that was the only time I smiled all night.
by jvoelks on Jun 25, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie may be the worst example
He may not learn from the yelling. I just can’t pass judgment. The guy may be overwhelmed, or he may not have much general smarts. I dunno.
But Mora blunders around the bases and doesn’t get blasted. The team has been a SB/CS ratio of 37/22 or a 62.7% success rate. Rule of thumb is steal success rate should be at least 75% to be worthwhile. Maybe Trembley should yell at himself in the mirror for stubbornly insisting on running. We’ve been here before. I just think Trembley found a scapegoat when the problem when the manager is complicit in the crime.
by drj on Jun 25, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't speak well of Trembley in my opinion.
There have been so many chances for him to come out and blast the stupid mistakes some of the guys on the team make, but he never does until the 24th or 25th man on the roster does it? The only thing I can think of is Pie is here against Trembely’s wishes and he’s trying to use the opportunity to try and make it seem like he must be gotten rid of. The notion that he’s the exception to the rule about making dumb decisions in the game is about the most absurd thing Trembley has ever said.
by Redford on Jun 25, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I think that's sort of bullshit by Trembley.
What does it show the regulars (Mora!) who’ve been pulling this shit for years and never heard a peep about it? Are they going to be like “Oh shit he called out what’s his name who plays every 5th game – we might be next we better shape up!!”?
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Bottom line we will not win with Dave Trembley as field manager with big game experiance. We should be looking right now for a top shelve manager for 2010 and 2011
Brandon Snyder, 1B. Remember that name.
by Baysox39 on Jun 25, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uhoh...its shelf
better watch your phraseology there, baysox. english is the subject of much debate right now
by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The real irony there is that your "its" should've been "it's"
I think we can let it slide though.
by punkrawka on Jun 25, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guilty as charged. LOL
Brandon Snyder, 1B. Remember that name.
by Baysox39 on Jun 25, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A tough loss on the road
Only one more game until we come back. For anyone who actually does this, we finished games 61-70 with a 7-3 record, but now we are 0-1 in the next set of 10 games. The boys have to win 5 out of 9 to keep it even or 6 out of 9 if they want to continue to chip away at games under .500.
Even though Boston is coming, it is a home series. I don’t know if I can make ANY of those games, but I’ll try. I’ll be there on Friday to see my second O’s/Nats game of the year and to also see fireworks (work on the 4th).
Boston doesn’t have Daniel Cabrera to knock around anymore.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Jun 25, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just out of curiousity, does anybody keep track of games like that?
It’s never occurred to me before, but I don’t necessarily dislike it…
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I started it when I was just beginning to like baseball more than football
10 games of baseball = 1 game of football
Even though the football comparison doesn’t matter to me anymore, I still find it handy to keep everything in perspective. It’s nice to get all excited about winning 3 games in a row, but that is just 30% of 1/16 of the season, you know what I mean?
I’m sure other people do similar things.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Jun 25, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of they are who we thought they were...
by PhilR8 on Jun 25, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It was a slow night during the game last night too.
I kept reloading my page cause I thought I had gotten disconnected.
by Johnny_S on Jun 25, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha me too
the night before CC kept freezing up my system from the 700 plus comments. i though the same thing was happening last nite but only 200 some
by twistedlogic on Jun 25, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need a game day threat damn it.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did anybody else think that bunt attempt by Bonifacio was hilarious?
It was like he wasn’t even looking at the pitch. He didn’t come close to making contact and almost ran into the ball even though it was right over the plate.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm too busy shooting the breeze with O'sfan21.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 25, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did rich hill just
throw a 9 pitch, 3K inning?
by SidewinderX on Jun 25, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Almost.
10 pitches
Meanwhile, John Smoltz has thrown 24 pitches and only has one out to show for it in his Red Sox debut.
Sweet.
by dkdc on Jun 25, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn
oh well, I’ll take a 10 pitch inning
by SidewinderX on Jun 25, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn! Thought matty had that one. Great swing though.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been working hard on getting one up.
Or not.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 25, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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