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Fans Question Roberts' Heart and Hustle

 

 

Reading the blogs over the past few days, most notably Peter Schmuck's blog on baltimoresun.com, I have noticed a rising trend among fans who think that Brian Roberts should be traded before the deadline. I know some of this is in response to Roberts' recent struggles at the plate (he is 0-10 in the last three games and was not in the starting lineup today) but what is more alarming to me is the number of fans who want to trade Roberts because of his attitude.

Many fans cite the fact that Roberts doesn't sprint to first every time he puts the ball in play as proof that his heart isn't in the game and he doesn't want to be here. I personally am a fan of hustle and sometimes it does bother me that Roberts half-asses his way to first, but I tend to forget about those plays (and rightfully so) when he legs out a double on a hit that would be a single for most players, even players as fast or faster than him or when he steals two bases and scores a run after a lead-off single (which has happened multiple times this season). If Roberts sprinted to first on every play (like a rookie trying to make a good impression) he probably would be on base a few more times over the course of the season but I am willing to look the other way on that given he is on pace for about 170 hits and has a .353 OBP, and especially given the fact that he is one of our most consistent hitters (along with Huff and Mora) in clutch situations (those of you hounding Roberts for his recent struggles please go back and watch the highlights from the Mets and Phillies series'). Roberts has been one of the Major's top lead-off hitters for the past five seasons so if he wants to jog to first on a ground ball hit to second base then I'm ok with it, in my mind he's earned the right to do that.

Those people who say Roberts' manerisms convey a poor attitude and are proof that he doesn't want to be here couldn't be anymore off base. Just because the guy doesn't wear his emotions on his sleve doesn't mean he is disgruntled or upset. Roberts knew that the team was in rebuilding mode when he signed his 4-year extension this past off-season and if he didn't want to be apart of that process, he would have taken his services elsewhere (Lord knows there is a high enough market for proven lead-off men). I would like to point fans who have doubts about Roberts' attitude to his video blog on MASNsports.com. In his most recent update he talks about the direction the team is heading and how the recent success has been fun. Roberts definitely has a passion for the game and wants to win and for some players, including Roberts, being loyal and trying to win with the team you came up with is seen as a welcome challenge.

Roberts could have demanded to go to a team that is a World Series contender but the fact that he signed the extension is proof enough for me that he wants to win and wants to do it as an Oriole. Anyone who thinks he isn't having fun should watch the replay of the post game last night when Reimold got the pie in the face- Roberts can be seen with a big smile on his face. It is good to see this positive emotion from Roberts. I know he expects alot of himself and gets angry at himself when he struggles and I think all the recent criticism from the fans has been unfair. Seeing him with a smile on his face after a win is reassuring that he is still having fun being an Oriole.

Let's go back to the idea of trading Roberts. I am a firm believer that you don't get better by trading your best player. Now I know that some people will argue that Markakis or Jones or Huff is our best player but a large part of why those three are so good is because of Roberts. With 84 hits (including 25 doubles), 15 stolen bases, and a .353 OBP (not to mention his 7 HR and 54 RBI), Roberts is one of the top five lead-off men in baseball and trading him would have a ripple effect that would hurt the team's chances at becoming a legitimate contender in the next couple seasons. Sure we might be able to get some good prospects in a trade and we wouldn't lose anything defensively if we made Andino our full time second baseman once Izturis retunrs but the offense and intangibles that Roberts brings are irreplacable in my mind.

If this team is going to compete in the next few years (I am on record for saying I believe it will), we need proven players like Roberts (and Huff) to lead the way. The Orioles have had an identity crisis since Cal Ripken Jr. retired and (other than the negative image associated with Peter Angelos' ownership) in my mind Brian Roberts has been the face of the franchise since then. In the coming years the O's will likely be identified by the likes of Markakis, Wieters, and Jones, but for now (and for the last five years) Roberts is the man and he should recieve the respect from fans that he has earned. I would like to ask all fans who have been critical of Roberts as of late to show him the same loyalty he showed you when he signed the 4-year extension and instead of running off to Chicago or LA or some other team that has World Series hopes this season, made a committment to the Orioles organization and the city of Baltimore in hopes that the seemingly bright future will result in a shot at a world championship. 

 

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I like roberts

and I think we have other needs. We don’t have a lot of infield depth anywhere, and trading away one of our best infields doesn’t seem to make sense right now.

by SidewinderX on Jun 28, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree....

why create a hole to fill another one.
Keep Roberts, he still has plenty left in the tank .
I’m still a little gun shy in claiming the O’s will do something that makes sense.

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
-Anonymous

by breweyboy18 on Jun 28, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There's a word for these people.

Retarded, that would be it. Fucking retarded.

" I'm happy to announce that we've made Adam Jones our 4th and 5th starting pitcher as well as bench coach and team chaplain" - peter_angelos 8:04 AM May 14th from digsby

"Matt Wieters Adopted Mark Texiera's Parents Because He Felt They Needed A Son To Be Proud Of."

by getxstoked on Jun 28, 2009 9:06 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I didnt read the whole thing

because i’m sick of hearing “fans” spew forth idiotic BS. Brian Roberts is the least of this team’s problems. These are the same people who thought that the front office just didnt “get it” because they didnt persue guys like Pedro and that Wieters is a bust because his batting average is in the lower 200’s. It really grinds my gears.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 28, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Honestly, Brian is who he is.

Sure, he can show little hustle sometimes, but that sorta thing doesn’t really bother me THAT much, especially since it’s usually on balls that he has no chance at beating out. He signed here, meaning he loves it here and wants to win here. It can get frustrating playing for the Orioles. That’s life.
What I got out of that was… Reimold was pied in the face last night? What? I watched the postgame and I didn’t see him pied… nor did I see Brian smiling. Are you sure it was last night?

by LenaO on Jun 28, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Roberts isn't going anywhere, nor should he...

…unless there is some kind of preposterous, overwhelming offer, and even then it’d be a PR disaster.

I know Roch likes to talk up Justin Turner, but he is never going to come close to Roberts’ production in the big leagues.

"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008

Adam Jones is the tits.

by KenDixonFanClub on Jun 28, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If we can get a huge steal for Roberts we should do it.

If McPhail could have pulled off the same trade for value as he did with Tejada and Bedard he would have pulled the trigger. If a contender needs Roberts and is willing to give up a boat load of top prospects why would you not wish to make that trade? This is a business and not a personality contest or a love fest. At some point Roberts value will be gone and we will be stuck with him (See Melvin Mora). Our minor league system is hurting for some big bats and infielders. If Roberts can bring those players to us we should trade him. Another point is with Roberts we are not winning anyway. Part from the pitching staff the only untouchables are Wieters, Jones, Markakis and Reimold. Everyone else should be available for the right trade. I enjoy Roberts and I have no problem with his hustle, determination, grit and influence in the clubhouse but if the price is right the O’s would be a fool to trade him.

Brandon Snyder, 1B. Remember that name.

by Baysox39 on Jun 28, 2009 10:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A fool not to trade him.

Sorry for the typo’s folks.

Brandon Snyder, 1B. Remember that name.

by Baysox39 on Jun 28, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well put

Although i dont see anybody ponying up what it would take to pry roberts away.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 29, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

weren't we considering trading b-rob to the cubs

for a package of players including sean gallagher and felix pie? i can’t remember exactly which players were discussed but i def remember sean gallagher (who got shelled in oakland everytime he managed to find the plate-which wasnt often) was to be among the prospects we received.

and we all can see how great felix pie is

by twistedlogic on Jun 29, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoops...forgot to mention my point

moral of the story: prospects generally aren’t worth it when you have solid talent under contract and still playing at a high level.

bedard wasn’t going to resign with the o’s (plus he had durability issues) and tejada’s age (and legal issues) made both of these guys tradeable. roberts doesn’t have these issues and therefore does not warrant a trade for any potentially high risk-low reward players

by twistedlogic on Jun 29, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the quality of prospects

Sean Gallagher was a prospect, but not close to a Tillman or Jones level prospect. Pie was a legit top 50 prospect back in the day, but he still was not as highly regarded as Jones. The right prospects are worth it because they provide financial flexibility and they are under team control. The best of prospects, especially hitting prospects, are actually very likely to make an impact at the major league level.

There is a reason AM didn’t trade roberts to the cubs, its because he wasn’t getting that much back.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 29, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't heard anybody talking about trading him.

I’ve heard some people bitching about his lack of hustle, but not his lack of heart – not sure where that part came from. I think he’s great and don’t really care if he doesn’t bust out of the box on every fly ball or ground ball. It’ll bite him once or twice a season, but he more than makes up for it.

by O'sFan21 on Jun 28, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't give a shit about "hustle"

I give a shit about “being good at baseball,” which Roberts most likely still is for the next few years (though he’s getting kinda old, after all)

by pipkin on Jun 28, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

....trade talk?

surely this didnt come from anywhere credible. Just a few pissy fans thats all. His season line is exactly where it should be.

Roberts probably gets the rep for not hustling because fans think hes supposed to be a prototypical spunky lead off guy that plays hard 1000 percent of the time and never ends a game with a clean uniform. Well yeah, thats not gonna happen.

Roberts just signed a big contract. There is literally a 0% chance he gets traded. End of story

by UMterp08 on Jun 28, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lets trade him for Eckstein!

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 29, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A couple things about Roberts

One of the things that concerns me the most is his career sub-700 OPS in September. Every year he seems to go to sleep as the team gets further and further out. Either that or he’s not conditioned well, which doesnt bode for us having him under control for 4 more years into his 30s.

Someone on the OH also posted that the Red Sox hitting coach says that Roberts quits in games, ie if the O’s are way behind he mails it in. Food for thought….and his body language, at times, conveys this. I think these sorts of things are what fans are talking about.

Roberts is most certainly not our best player

All of that said, I don’t think we should be looking to trade him, although obviously no one’s ever untouchable.

by U2boy417 on Jun 29, 2009 2:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I do

He sees Brian 19 times a year…and is more connected than any of us

And Brian has a career .734 OPS in innings 7-9…so maybe hes not completely full of shit.

I’m not saying he’s right, but why dismiss something said by someone who a relative expert just because he happens to be associated with a team thats always better than us?

by U2boy417 on Jun 30, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed 100%....

If there is a club out there willing to give up some top prospects especially middle infielders then I say go for it cause I don’t think we have anyone in the minors to replace Mora at 3rd or B-Rob at 2nd??? I like Roberts alot, but another blogger put it correctly and said “it’s a business” and as much as I love this game, it is first most a business. He’s what 30 something now and his wheels aren’t what they use too be, but I’m sure McPhail & and the gang understand this. Up the Orioles!!!!

by F4PhantomPhreak on Jun 29, 2009 2:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The only reason to ever trade Roberts would be

the fact that my Gal and all of my sisters would put me in a grave just to have the chance to get in his pants. Other than that he is a fine fellow, and one of the best in the game at his position.

Any trade would have to blow Andy away with some prospects.

by Afghanistan Steve on Jun 29, 2009 5:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup

agreed It would have to be on the line of what we got for Miggy to the Strohs, but I’m still thinking about the future of this current crop. Our outfield is set for at least 10 years unless the Skankees or the Blow Sox come swooping in with a huge amount of loot and rob us of AJ or Nick or even Nolan now, other than that our infield is whats gonna hurt us in time. We have Huff n Stuff at 1st he’s no spring chicken, and I dont even wanna go there about Mora, but this SS Andino looks to be a good player and a keeper, so I also say keep Izturis (sp) as a back-up now and go with Andino; so that leaves 1st, 2nd, & 3rd all Vets all in there 30’s and all will be heading downhill as these yougsters are heading up….. I guess you cannot have it all in the end, like I said I do like B-Rob and I really think it would have to be a blockbuster for Andy to pull the trigger, but it isn’t out of the question…….

by F4PhantomPhreak on Jun 29, 2009 6:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lets not forget

what we got for Miggy was 2 guys with existing injuries (Albers and Patton), Luke, and Sarfate. Talent-wise i’d take something akin to this for B-Rob, but it’d have to be infielders and a little less risky. We weren’t even sure if Patton would ever pitch again last season. B-Rob is still an above average 2b, and I dont see many of them around the league we can just scoop up to replace him. Lets fill holes, not create them.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 29, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian has more value than Tejada did when we traded him

Tejada was an older, obviously declining player, who was either a) below average defensively for SS, or b) if a team wanted him for 3B, basically a league average player there. Furthermore there were clear steroid implications, for whatever that’s worth…

Brian is a significantly above average 2B with good OBP skills. He’s younger than Tejada was when he was traded and doesnt have any of Tejada’s rep of being a whiner.

He would fetch more

by U2boy417 on Jun 30, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To clarify

Let me say that I based this post on things I have read on a bunch of different blogs. As far as I know we are not considering trading Roberts, I just wanted to get people’s thoughts on how, in my mind ridicuouls, a large part of our fan base is thinking.

by thecharmcitysportsblog.blogspot.com on Jun 29, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I personally feel trading Roberts would set the team back ANOTHER 10 years

Middle infield is key and though I like andino, he can’t produce like Roberts. Roberts is a contact hitting doubles machine, that alone will win ball games for you. Go back and look at how many games we put the first run in the inning on and many times more … Brian Roberts. The guy gets in position to score. All you guys talking trade make no sense … and the PR would be devastating.

by col_kl1nk on Jul 6, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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