Wigginton as tradebait?
by Dr Orpheus on Jun 29, 2009 11:33 AM EDT
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PrintJon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports is talking about ways in which the Cinncinati Reds could improve their club with a right-handed hitter and has mentioned Ty Wigginton as a target since they lost out on DeRosa to St. Louis. Morosi says Wigginton can slot in at third or second base or first when Votto needs a spell, and can break up their lefties at the middle of their line-up. This seems to make a lot of sense for them if they're interested in making a push, and they seem to be, for first in a wobbly NL Central, given Wigginton's experience in that division and normal second-half surge.
So, the question is, does it make sense to trade Wigginton to the Reds or Giants or other contention team if the price is right?
Keep in mind that Huff and Mora will be gone next season unless offered arbitration, resigned, or Mora's option picked up (unlikely).
And, for funsies, who mans first and third base next season without Wigginton? Outside of Brandon Snyder, the newly acquired Michael Aubrey (12 AB for the Tides, .250/.250/.333/.583) who will be used as organizational depth in the minors and doesn't seem to be in consideration for the majors at this moment, and Oscar Salazar.
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Assuming Huff and Mora are gone, and possibly Wigginton as well, the O’s will have to sign at least one corner infielder this offseason.
Ideally they would be able to make a splash and sign an impact talent, but based on the projected free agent lists, they’d be looking at another stopgap Wigginton-type.
Since Wiggy-baby is a placeholder
due to the lack of infield prospects down on the farm, I think the price would be right if it addressed that need. Trade Wiggy (or Huff?) for a promising infielder for the future.
But of course I don’t know who that is or whether the Reds have one, so this is a 1/4 baked suggestion.
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Tradebait
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I’d be all for trading Ty if the price is right. We need to stock up on some infield prospects, seeing if Mora [I’ll be very sad to see go, but he is 37] and Huff do go.
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Ty Wigginton sucks. If we can get something with some value for him you do it. It doesn’t even matter what position. He’s really a replacement level player that has some added value because he can play lots of positions.
And what do we do if we lose Ty? In the short term… Oscar Salazar basically takes his spot. In the long term… it really doesn’t matter. Since when did Ty Wigginton become a building block of the future.
Adrian Beltre in 2010 would be pretty freaking exciting.
Beltre will be out next season
with massive shoulder issues.
There are also links to him and steroids. Personally, I’d pass on him.
Uh, yeah!
If we can get ANYTHING for Ty Wigginton, do it. OK, maybe not one bag of balls, but if we can get two? Do it.
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I'm with you, duck
Wigginton is worthless. Period.
Take the two bag of balls..or maybe one bag of balls and one of those sausage mascot guys..he probably runs better than ol Ty …..
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Only in the right deal
Hes only making three million next year, so salary is a non factor. But I always saw him as necessary insurance next year for Mora and Huff (who will both hopefully be gone). He’ll keep the seat warm at 1B or 3B next year while the O’s search/wait for a long term solution.
Now if a team wants to give up some above average/good prospects though, then by all means trade Wiggy. There will always be a ton of stop gap type of guys on the FA wire, might not come as cheap as Wiggington though (if the economy improves quickly)
I don't necessarily want Huff gone
For the right propsects, absolutely. But between those three guys, Huff is the one I’d want to keep.
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He's a free agent after this year
So he’s gone either way.
not totally true
i think the o’s will offer him an extension should they not trade him. i think he’d take it unless somebody offers him a lot more.
even if they don’t resign, we’ll get picks in return and can then draft our own middle infield prospects etc
by twistedlogic on Jun 29, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
To get picks
They’d have to offer him arbitration and then someone would need to be willing to give up a first rounder to sign him.
I think he gets traded, and if he doesn’t, he gets turned loss and not offerend arbitration.
Huff is just too replaceable to be paying anywhere near the $10MM he might get in arbitration.
just wondering
who do you replace him with?
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
Yeah I'm curious how he's "too replaceable" as well.
Who exactly is there available that’s better or as good as he is and wants to be on this team like he does?
Huff is an pretty average DH/1B (slightly above 100ish for a DH/1B isn’t anything special for this position if you consider last year’s production a fluke which is increasingly looking like the case). I wouldn’t say he’s easily replaceable, but it shouldn’t be too hard.
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Wigginton/Snyder/Scott
Huff has a career OPS of something like .820. He is not irreplaceable, especially at that price.
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by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 30, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The Reds are by far our best match
It could be argued that at least 5 of there top 10 prospects are infielders. If we could pry a guy like Alonso, Frazier, Valaika, or Soto away from them, Id be fine with that
I agree zknower
Huff is the one I want to keep, did you see him chugging home?? The guy has heart and wants to be here.
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yea hufflepuff is def a keeper
i doubt anyone would really want to give us what we really need and im not a huge fan of the “trade a guy just so we can get few random guys in return” strategy. the players have to fill needs and/or just be really darn good prospects. we really need some prospects at 2b, 3b, and ss. if some team will give us a package including a legitimate prospect at the above position (and not some light-hitting fill-in guy), then maybe a huff trade is considered. you dont dump a guy like aubrey just because. i honestly think he would resign with the o’s especially since the team “projects” to be much better next year with a large influx of young pitching
by twistedlogic on Jun 29, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Huff
i LOVE huff. But hes going to be 33 next season. Plus hes closer to being an ~.800 OPS guy as opposed to a ~.900 OPS guy. Since I dont think he’ll be interested in a one or two year deal, he shouldnt be with the O’s past this year.
Also, hes practically a lock to net the O’s two first round picks next year if he declines arbitration (which he probably will, I imagine he will get a multi year offer somewhere, unless its the adam dunn/Dbacks situation all over again). Wouldn’t make much sense to keep him around. But if the O’s are somehow in a position to compete next year, by all means keep Huff.
What makes you think he'll decline arbitration?
He’s said multiple times that he really wants to stick around and be here when this ship gets righted (feels like he missed out on the turnaround for the DEVIL rays). I actually think he’d be willing to take a discount to stay. Based on what he’s said at least…
if he'd play...
for nearly wigginton money, he might be worth re-signing. what does everyone else think is fair? 4.5-5.5 milion range?
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by j.q. higgins on Jun 30, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
ya, I agree
he seems like a good clubhouse guy to keep around. And it’s nice to have a least one vet on the team… BRob doesn’t seem like that vocal of a leader, so I don’t really see him filling that hole.
by SidewinderX on Jun 30, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
When did Wigginton become worthless?
I’m confused.
Career line of .270 .329 .455 .784 is…worthless? On what plain of existence?
How quickly we forget that he’s a second-half hitter, and that last year his line was .285 .350 .526 .876
He’s worth a lot, and teams will give up some talent for him.
and...
he’s a lefty masher. def a useful asset given this team’s recent history.
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by j.q. higgins on Jun 29, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
I dont think you can get much in a trade for him, but he could step in for Mora next year. I dont think you get an impact prospect from him and it creates another hole, so i think he’ll stick around.
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by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 30, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
After seeing what Salazar can do this season
I’d be happy for the Os to trade Wigginton. I think a lot of people are underestimating the price for Wigginton. He raked the NL Central last year and if the Reds want to make a push for the division, they need a right-handed someone.
He's not worthless
In fact, Wiggy is great to have, as we don’t have much in terms of infielders in the farm. I think we’d have to get something pretty nice for him, and I don’t think the reds will part with something that nice for him.
We’ll see.
I have been critical of Ty all season but to his credit, he has been hitting much better since he has been getting more regular playing time. If we can trade him for decent value then I would go for it but the problem is that if we are trading him to a team that needs a 1st or 3rd baseman, what can we really expect to get back that will be of any value. If a team had good corner prospects that are close to being ready for the Majors, why would they be interested in trading for Ty?. I think his contract is only worth about $3 million so it doesn’t hurt us to keep him around as an insurance policy next season.
by thecharmcitysportsblog.blogspot.com on Jun 29, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions
I tend to disagree
about the playing time comment. Earlier in the year when Ty was not hitting, he was playing nearly every day due to Mora’s injury. Now that Wiggi is back the the “super utility” role, he appears to have gained more confidence at the plate.
He's a second half hitter
His stats show this.
I’d have to agree, however, with the statement that he’s gained more confidence at the plate as well, but I tend to think that as the year moves on he’ll only get better.
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