O's 2, Mariners 8: Time for Jamie Walker to retire.
by Stacey on Jun 3, 2009 1:20 AM EDT
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It's 1:15 in the a.m. My laptop battery is almost dead. I do not have the time nor the inclination to write up a proper recap. The O's got Bedarded tonight, but it doesn't even matter because they also go Walker'd.
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Felix for MBP
I would have done the writeup if you had asked, but now that this one has been put up, I am going to sleep.
Vote Felix.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 1:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who doesnt
like a good pie?
my favorite flavor is a Felix Pie
Guys are getting pied Dave Trembley can't explain it
by WestcoastO'sFan on Jun 3, 2009 1:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Am I wrong or did Wieters also get his first single as well as his first walk?
by O'sFan21 on Jun 3, 2009 1:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think on real bad days like this...
You should have the LBP (least-Birdland-est player) so I could vote for Walker (now that Adam Eaton’s gon of course).
by Tetris on Jun 3, 2009 2:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great pic! I vote for Hwigglingggton for Most Pork-fed Player.
I don’t understand how the guy can be less fat but look piggier than Sid, but he does! Also, he oinks at fielding. And hitting. And I’m kinda tired of him, y’know…
As for MBP— a very good day to have No One featured prominently among the choices. Thx, Stace!
And btw: what happened?!? I left explicit instructions for you people to Cheer This Victory Home before I crashed last night! I was shocked — shocked — to find us in the loss column this morning.
Well, [bleep] that [bleep], as my students like to put it. Time to get back to the W column, people. Tonight we have not-Guts and not-Koji going against not-Buh-DARD. Even though n-B-D’s got a nice lookin’ ERA there, I kinda like our chances.
Hey, I don’t care: Call me irresponsible. Call me unreliable. Throw in undependable, too. Tough sh*t. I still say
Go O’s!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Jun 3, 2009 7:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Glad to know
I went to sleep at the right time, and didn’t stay awake for this shitball.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 3, 2009 8:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was planning on voting for no one
Then I saw Wieters and I figured why the heck not. I doubt I will ever bring myself to vote for Pie in the near future.
As dayzd toe said…I am glad I went to sleep early.
by Johnny_S on Jun 3, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much my thoughts
It’s going to take a hell of a night for me to vote for Felix.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After 0 runs and then 1 run in the previous two games the O's offense burst out for 2
Crowley had the boys stoked up and ready to burst out last night, and they responded. Two runs is a 100% increase over the previous night and an infinite increase over the day before that.
So when do the calls for Crowley to go begin?
by drj on Jun 3, 2009 9:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They began a loooooong time ago.
So long ago, they’ve faded into a soft echoey background noise. He’s lucky to be in f*ckin’ baseball.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 3, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
The players seem to think he is good at this. He sure did well with the Doctor. I also don’t think you can lay a 4-day hitting slump at his door.
by fishoutawata on Jun 3, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have little to say about this game
I was in a bad mood as soon as it started. A 1-2-3 top of the first followed by that ugly bottom of the first really set the tone. At least I had a good excuse to go to bed before 12 for once.
To cheer myself up (and anyone else who needs it), I present the following out-of-context quote from Mark Teixeira:
“Unfortunately, that guy has been doing it his whole career. Every time I’ve faced him since there seems to be balls near my head, near my body, and today I got hit twice. There’s really no reason for it.”
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
by Brotz13 on Jun 3, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts
That Ichiro hit was an E big time in my opinion.
And so was the Nolan drop.
The Mariners announcers are BOOOOORRRRIIIIINNNNNG.
I quit watching after 3 innings so that’s all I got.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the Nolan drop
I don’t see how that was a hit at all. But that would be a pretty tough error to hand out on Ichiro’s hit. Even if Wigginton played it cleanly, it would have been pretty close.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea Hernandez got screwed in that first inning. The Ichiro play was tough but could have been an out. Then Branyan’s ball would have been an easy 2 if we didn’t have the shift on. And then Reimold just totally misplayed that ball. He made it look like a tough play when it never needed to be. The fact Hernandez left the mound at the end of that inning with a line of 3 H and 2 ER was total bullshit. Tough start for the kid.
And you couldn’t be more right about the Ms announcers. Not only are they boring but two nights ago they were calling one of their own guys “Huff” and last night they called Rob Johnson “Reimold” on his double until they finally showed the replay and they corrected themselves. How do you confuse your own players with the other team???
by jvoelks on Jun 3, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB Extra Innings had four broadcasts of the game on the guide but the only one not coming in last night was the O’s in HD. I took that as a sign to maybe skip out on this one.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They aren't bad, I mean, relatively
Really boring ones: CLE CHW MIN. I’m talking, lots of dead air. When Mauer (?) got nailed by a Jim Thome bat, they just said ‘Wow." and didn’t say anything for like 2 minutes
Matt Wieters broke a bat last night. Nobody knows what happened to the ball.
by CoachOfEarl on Jun 3, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, as I have been working 3-11 shifts all year
I think Joe Angel was the most BIrdland guy last night. It’s just nice to get off work and still have a game to turn on.
He didn’t even crack me up other than going over how to spell someone’s name.
I voted for Wieters. If we lose, why not Wieters? There wasn’t a great pitching performance. Jones will get his tonight.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Jun 3, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Angel definitely deserves an honorable mention
just for not strangling Manfra.
by fishoutawata on Jun 3, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd get MBA
if he DID strangle Muffra.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 3, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OHPLEASEOHPLEASEOHPLEASEOHPLEASEOHPLEASEOHPLEASEOHPLEASEOHPLEASEOHPLEASEOHPLEASEOHPLEASEOHPLEASE
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Jun 3, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie did 100% of what was asked of him
which is more than can be said for any other O. He got my vote.
In other news, I am once again laying this at Diamond Dave’s door. Not for bringing Walker in—the game was over anyway, and if that appearance helps seal JW’s fate, all the better. But playing offense against someone of Mssr. Erik’s caliber requires some thought, especially with a group that has looked as sad as these guys have since Saturday, and not just trotting the boys to the plate, with an extra rightie or two in the mix. The solution to the problem that is Bedard is (drumroll, please) PITCHCOUNT. Bedard threw a lot of first pitch balls, and ran a fair number of full counts, when we let him. Bedard can easily retire the side to strand a leadoff baserunner, but he can’t escape the number 100. The Os let him off the hook easy instead of playing their cards right by making him throw 20+ per inning.
by fishoutawata on Jun 3, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW, Bedard IS damn good
He’s got a great selection of pitches, terrific control, etc., etc.
I’m just saying to give yourself a chance you don’t just go up hacking.
by fishoutawata on Jun 3, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he did 100%
of what I asked him he’d be on another team. Or on no other team. Who cares, he’d be gone.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The voting should really tell you something.
Felix Pie is next to no one.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jun 3, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand the Felix hate at all
The kid was promised full playing time and wasn’t even given three weeks. Since being completely phased out of the lineup, he has played very well and is, apparently, one of the hardest workers on the team.
Whereas Ryan Freel complained after a few games, we haven’t heard a peep out of Felix. We have actually seen Felix joking around with Scott among other guys even though he hasn’t seen significant ABs in weeks.
I really don’t get how some of you can take joy out of berating Pie.
I guess it’s time for someone to answer my post with “HE MAKES LOTS OF MONEY, I DON’T FEEL BAD AT ALL.”
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
Felix Pie may not have performed in the beginning of the year, but he’s shown nothing but a good attitude and a willingness to work hard despite not being given the chance he was told he’d get. I understand that Reimold came up and made it impossible to send him back down. It’s not ideal for the Orioles plan this year, but it happened and that’s fine. But there are plenty of other ways to get Felix in the game.
I think it’s a travesty that he has only had 10 plate appearances since May 17th. The Orioles are in the middle of 14 games without an off day, Nick Markakis is dragging and hasn’t had a day off all year. There are places to give Pie ABs to 1) see what he’s got 2) keep him game ready, and 3) give other guys a rest.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 3, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd certainly rather see him in the lineup these days than the Wigglet.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
by Brotz13 on Jun 3, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FRIENDS OF FELIX
won’t you join?
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jun 3, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Jun 3, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Pie
I don’t think he is any good. I know you and that crazy lady thinks he’s nice and all but I don’t care. I’d rather see Reimold get ALL the ABs because at least he’s shown some promise. I don’t berate Pie. I would just rather seem him struggle with someone else. Good attitudes are nice as well. So are unicorns and rainbows. So what. He doesn’t help the team win and he can’t hit. DEAL WITH IT!
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
He was promised full playing time? For the full year?
I thought he was told he would be given a shot, which he was given, but I don’t think that means he gets to play LF indefinitely.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really consider a few weeks "a shot"
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 3, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he should play
even though there is someone who is actually hitting on the team?
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he should play in front of Reimold
Like I said, Reimold came up and proved his point. But there is a difference in giving the the LF job everyday and what is happening. Like I said, he’s at 10 plate appearances since May 17th. It’s ridic.
Like Brotz said, I’d rather see him than Wiggy any day.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 3, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were does he play
and get more than 10 ABs every two weeks?
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can play LF, CF, and DH (and Reimold can play RF)
They should be able to find them some.
Nick and Adam don’t need many days off, but they do need a few. And if they’re feeling a little knocked up, it wouldn’t hurt them to DH every now and again. I haven’t sat down and done any math, but it certainly seems do-able.
I know this isn’t little league. You don’t let people play simply because they are on the team. But I think that it would behoove the Orioles to give him some time.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 3, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over the past 30 days
Felix Pie – .265/.324/.471 – 34 ABs
Ty Wigginton – .262/.294/.462 – 65 ABs
Pie has had half of the ABs than Wigginton and plays dramatically better defense.
Furthermore, Pie could actually have long-term value if we let him develop. Wiggy and Aubrey won’t ever.
by math_geek on Jun 3, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where does Wiggington start?
The 10th OF spot? This ain’t co-ed softball.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could give Pie all of Wiggy’s ABs and he’d have 90 ABs on the month… which would have been fine
by math_geek on Jun 3, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would guess that Pie will NEVER be as valuable as Huff is right now to anyone EVER. Unless it is in a different profession.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right… because Plus defense athletic types never work out in baseball.
by math_geek on Jun 3, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dramatically better defense?
I’ll admit Pie is speedy and Wiggy isn’t winning a gold glove any time soon but are you serious?
Pie plays the outfield like a spastic tee baller. Watching him try to figue out how to play balls hit into the corner was/is PAINFUL. Not to mention that I’m not sure how or why you would compare his defense to Wiggy since they really don’t play the same position.
by jvoelks on Jun 3, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
numbers are good for you… Felix UZR/150 = 11.6, as a LF it was 25.6
That’s quite good.
Ty Wigginton has a plethora of positions and sucks at all of them
by math_geek on Jun 3, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no, how could I ignore his ultimate zone rate per 150 games?! All I did was actually watch every game and cringe as his attempts to flag down balls in the gap/corners and miss cutoff men. How silly of me. And again, how does comparing him to Wigginton impact this conversation.
by jvoelks on Jun 3, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did look terrible for a week
But has been fine since. His problems aren’t his glove.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we're going to base things on what we see, Luke Scott would never play LF. He generally looks awful out there, but apparently is quite competent.
math_geek is right – numbers are good for you.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 3, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not even a mini-shot
just imagine if Wieters continues to struggle the way he has for the next three weeks, and we make him the backup catcher and let Zaun or Moeller take most of the ABs. There would be cries for Trembley’s head.
Pie was essentially a raw prospect. We all knew that going in. ST plus 3 weeks is not exactly enough time to put on a polish. The part that makes me angry, however, is that he was actually improving when we ditched him
by math_geek on Jun 3, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
Pie and Wieters had the same minor league numbers too right?
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felix Pie had consistently solid minor league numbers..
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=pie—-001fel.
by math_geek on Jun 3, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry man..
i can’t access. My point is..and I admit his is a guess…that they were nowhere near Wieters numbers. I don’t think you can even begin to make the argument you were trying to make.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops...his = this is a guess
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but Felix had nothing but Success in the minor leagues… and was once the #1 Prospect in the Cubs system… and a shining star. He struggled in the majors, and with the Cubs in when now mode and Lou Pinella quite impatient… he never really got consistent time in the majors.
When we acquired him it was with the understanding that he would struggle at first but that he could develop into a well above average outfielder.
Experiment lasted 3 weeks… so we’ve been doing the same thing the Cubs did. Except we are not in win now mode, and we are essentially wasting a resource.
by math_geek on Jun 3, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
but I guess you just ahve to pick your resources. You want to waste him or Reimold? I’ve just always been in Reimold’s corner. He can’t get Wiggington’s ABS b/c he can’t play 1B, 3B or 2B. So that would never happen. Now what ABs do you want to give him?
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I suspect that Pie could probably play a better 1B than Wigginton… but that’s besides the point.
Luke Scott has had some ABs at 1B too. Wigginton is almost always at 1B or DH when he plays. If he’s playing in Melvin Mora’s spot, that’s fine, obviously Pie isn’t playing 3B. If Wiggy DHs, then Pie can DH. If he plays 1B, than almost always either Luke Scott or Aubrey is DHing… let them 1B and Pie can DH.
And done.
by math_geek on Jun 3, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your argument about giving him a chance was that he was athletic with plus DEFENSE (which is questionsable) but if that is the case then how does DHing him help? Now your just hurting the team to get him ABs. Silly.
by jvoelks on Jun 3, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well given that Pie is performing better than Wigginton it’s not hurting the team.
Given that he’s 23 years old, he could help the team for a long time.
And given his defense and athleticism, there are significant reasons to hope his bat improves. If he gets his bat up to average, he’ll be an above average player for the next 10 years.
by math_geek on Jun 3, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had plus defense in CF; Pie wasn’t nurtures as a LF at any point.
Pie is pretty much limited to the OF, and Markakis/Jones never take time off, and since we’re not even suggesting that Reimold should be taken out of the lineup, DHing Pie would at least get him some much needed reps.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When people move from CF to LF their defense gets better not worse. Duh.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 3, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh… and it DID… it just took some time for him to learn the new position and how to make proper reads from it.
But his defense was quite good by the second half out of LF
by math_geek on Jun 3, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh… and absolutely no harm would have come to Reimhold for spending another 2 months in AAA. It happens. It’s not a big deal. He hadn’t spent so long at AAA that the extra time would have been worthless to him.
We didn’t have that option with Pie…. so now Pie is getting no opportunities to get better.
by math_geek on Jun 3, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't the
ONLY opportunity that Pie has ever had to get better.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no… but why trade for him in the first place if we’re not even going to give him a chance to get better.
by math_geek on Jun 3, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We agree on that part.
I just don’t want to see the team spend a lot of time on him at the expense of Reimold developing. That’s just my personal opinion. I understand what you are saying but I just don’t see how he gets very many ABs without playing LF. That’s all.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're definitely right
Which is why the call-up of Reimold disappointed me.
I realize that injuries may have forced the issue, but we could have gotten a real assessment of Pie by just keeping Reimold in a level which he has never seen before for an additional month or two.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was the perfect storm for Reimold
Ideally they could have left him in AAA for awhile and stuck Lou in LF until Adam Jones and Luke were feeling better. But since he tore his thumb ligaments, they needed to call someone up, unless you wanted to have Wiggy lumbering around in LF. Nolan got up here and did what he had to do. I guess they could have called up a scrub from AAA.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 3, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salazar would have worked for me
Not a prospect, but a guy who can hit and would be a nice, veteran utility man with Freel/Luke out.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know he played OF
We had five OF on our team at the time and three of them were hurt. I thought Salazar was a utility IF, but I looked at his minor league numbers. He’s played 19 games in LF/RF this year at Norfolk, but before that played in the OF only 1 or 2 games per year. I wonder how he did out there?
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 3, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing special, but serviceable
Enough to keep Nolan down.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's pretty old
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the funniest part to me
The organization kept Nolan in the minors for faaar too long anyway, and then after like two weeks in AAA, people were demanding that he be called up.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not fair to compare anyone to Wieters
Felix Pie, for his respective role, performed just as well as Markakis or Jones.
Felix Pie’s minor league line – .299/.355/.470
Adam Jones’ minor league line – .291/.354/.476
Markakis’ minor league line – .301/.380/.471
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, yeah...
I wasn’t.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry if I took your post the wrong way
But, this is what I saw,
A: just imagine if Wieters continues to struggle the way he has for the next three weeks, and we make him the backup catcher and let Zaun or Moeller take most of the ABs. There would be cries for Trembley’s head.
B: Yeah, Pie and Wieters had the same minor league numbers too right?
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those numbers are nowhere near Wieters numbers
Especially when you adjust for position. And then factor in that he’s been given a ML shot before.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie had almost exactly the same MiL numbers as both Markakis and Jones even though Felix had to sustain his statistics for much longer.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn’t having to “sustain his numbers” work to his advantage??? I mean, if you keep duplicating a level, you should improve, right?
And are the numbers that close? Markakis at AA had a 992 OPS, Pie was 902. And I believe the eastern league is known as a pitchers league.
In A ball, Nick had OPS’s of 859 and 843. Pie was at 734 and 800.
Nick never played AAA.
Thats not really that close
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But when Markakis and Jones came up they were both given time to get out of initial slumps.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 3, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
But Pie also had close to 300 PA’s before coming to Baltimore.
Just becasue you move to a new team you don’t just negate what they’ve done before.
I hope Pie works out, I think we all do. But I think he should have to prove that he can do so in a limited role first.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ABs given to Pie in Chicago do not mean much
He had 260 ABs over two years, and within those two years he was sent in for double-switches, pinch hits, pinch runs, injury substitutions, and as a rest for starters.
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by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We disagree
He was given a shot (and it was more than pinch hits/runs/etc), he had 2 or 3 stints where he was given a month or so to prove himself.
If you’re coming up you have to prove yourself, he’s been given a few shots (granted, most of them somewhat short).
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then AJ/Nick should have been axed and traded as well
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right!
Pie is two months ABs away from being better than both.
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by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJ and Nick struggled mightily
No different than Pie except that Felix was on a contending team so immediate results were expected.
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by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a difference
After 350+, Pie has an OPS+ of 57. After 350, Jones was around 83, Markakis was around 106.
Markakis and Jones are not really comparable.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Pie has not been given 350 true ABs
Pie was given 150 ABs, broken up severely, in one year, 83, broken up severely, the next, and then an additional 70 this year before being yanked.
Jones/Markakis were given 350 ABs without interruption; Pie is being pulled a few weeks before he should be making a turnaround.
I doubt Markakis turns out to be as successful if you given him 150 scattered ABs one year, and then 80, and then three weeks time the next season.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
You don’t always get to dictate how your “shot” is given. But he has been given a shot. A few times. I’m not going to ignore what he did in Chicago. It happened.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to draw a comparison
If the Orioles were contending in 2006, and Markakis had only been given 170 scattered ABs, and 80 the next year, how would his situation have been any different than Pie’s?
Had Nick been with Chicago, he would have been traded for Garret Olson.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he has been given a shot. A few times.
I think your definition of “a shot” is a bit different. 150 ABs does not constitute a shot.
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by birdman on Jun 3, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's 350 AB's
And when you’re OPS’ing 600 as an OFer, you can’t expect that shot to continue
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I think that’s the crux of the disagreement. That’s 350 ABs broken up into different chucks. That’s not a shot. A shot is extended period of playing time… at least half of season, if not a full season. 150 ABs here, another !50 ABs there does not constitute two shots.
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Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 3, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We disagree
But I think we’re beating a dead horse.
I just don’t think there is much of a point in going out of our way to give him more PA’s as from his MiLB, ML numbers and what we’ve seen so far, I don’t think he’s going to amount to anything. But I didn’t think much of him when we got him, so I may be biased.
If it’s a choice between getting Pie or Wigginton AB’s, sure, go with Pie. If we’re taking AB’s away from Reimold/Jones/Markakis/even Montanez; then I’m not on board.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh you'd rather see Montanez than Pie???
Get real.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 3, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I don’t think either are much more than a 4th OF’er at best, but between the two, give me Lou. He hasn’t shown me on the big stage that he sucks yet (although I’ve got my hunches).
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t think there is much of a point in going out of our way to give him more PA’s as from his MiLB, ML numbers and what we’ve seen so far, I don’t think he’s going to amount to anything.
Oh yes, I agree with that. actually. I’ve been saying along he should be playing for a team that can give him a shot at CF. He has one great season at AAA after repeating it. Otherwise, his bat looks like a CF.
If it’s a choice between getting Pie or Wigginton AB’s, sure, go with Pie. If we’re taking AB’s away from Reimold/Jones/Markakis/even Montanez; then I’m not on board.
Agree with that too although I don’t care about Montanez. Pie can take his ABs as far as I’m concerned.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 3, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no place for a developing prospect on a contending team
Which is why Baltimore was an ideal place for Pie.
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by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Markakis
walked three times in his first game. That’ll buy you a few more ABs.
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by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe pie shoudl
split ABs with Markakis then?
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by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no dumbass! but if you're going to talk about how people did at the start talk honestly!
by O'sFan21 on Jun 3, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't
and I don’t appreciate being called a dumbass even if it is by the greatest pitching coach of all time.
There is no room on this team for Felix Pie. None. What is so hard to understand.
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by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no room on this team for Felix Pie. None. What is so hard to understand
The team needs a spare CF in case Jones goes down. His current role (extra OF, pinch hitter/runner) is appropriate.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 3, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
apologies - no need for that
but I think the argument that I’m making and that other people are making is that if you say you’re going to give a guy a shot you should do it – which they did not do (nobody in the world thinks that 3 weeks is a shot).
And quite frankly there is room for him – Wiggy should not get any more ABs and Pie should get them all.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 3, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wiggy
people keep bringing him up but my point is that I don’t think he’s stealing ABs from Pie unless Pie fills in at 1B, 3B or 2B.
Now, if Andino can fill that roll then fine. I’m OK with Wiggington leaving.
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by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Pie and Wiggs don’t play the same positons. I don’t see how Pie can pick up Wigg’s ABs. Wiggs has played one game in the OF. Otherwise, he’s been an IF. Unless can Pie can play the IF, they’re not redundant players.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 3, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just looking at the game logs
It’s gonna be different now since Luke is back from the DL, but in the past two-ish weeks since Adam got healthy again, Wiggy DH’d three games and played once at first while Huff DH’d. If you give Pie even two of those games it doubles his plate appearances in the past two weeks.
Pie won’t (and shouldn’t now that Reimold is here) play every single day. But he can get more than he’s getting, and IMO, should.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 3, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
and he still isn’t going to get enough ABs to do him much good in my opinion. I dont’ think he should be released but I don’t think he will be getting any better through experience this year.
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by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it could do him any worse.
The dude is 24 years old, a former top prospect, and sitting on the bench. I just wish he could get some more playing time.
In addition to those, this has been one long stretch without a day off, and Nick has been in a horrible slump. I don’t think it would have been inappropriate to move Reimold to RF for a day and stick Pie in left.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 3, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see him get more playing time too but Pie is f**ked. Unless someone gets hurt or somebody starts slumping badly, Pie better get used to dealing with the bench.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 3, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for this idea.
Giving Nicky the day off against Washburn or Bedard would have made a lot of sense for him, but then Pie would be lefty lefty also.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 3, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Babe Scott is locked into the DH position, Pie’s only AB will come from pinch hitting or an injury to Mr. Jones.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 3, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A while ago DD said that Pie would play LF against RHPs which I would be ok with once or twice a week.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 3, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Nolan struggle against righties in the minors? If not, platooning would be lame.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 3, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luke is gonna calm down
He’s notoriously streaky.
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by Stacey on Jun 3, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not true
Pie is our fastest pinch runner and best backup outfielder.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love fast pinch runners.
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by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but after 350 PA's or so
He was hitting close to 300 with an OPS around 800.
Pie has now had a little over 350 PAs.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spread out over 3 seasons! Not comparable.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 3, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's never going to be given 700 consecutive PAs to show his futility
It’s just never going to happen. If he gets a real shot again, he’s going to have to produce.
And it is comparable.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick got 500 ABs in his first season
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by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did
And he was hitting long before that. More importantly, he showed a pulse after the first month. (And he wasn’t 24).
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just some numbers for our information
The ship has passed on Felix getting as much time to try and work things out as Nick and Adam did. I don’t think there’s any way for that to happen now. But just as something to think about, here are Nick, Adam, and Felix’s numbers through their first 386 plate appearances (which is how many Felix has right now).
DISCLAIMER: I’M NOT SAYING FELIX IS THE SAME TALENT AS NICK OR ADAM. I’M JUST SAYING HERE ARE SOME FACTS.
Nick: ML Debut 04/03/2006. Played pretty much full time, reached 386 PAs on 08/23/2006. His numbers: 106 H, 32 BB, 20 2B/3B, 11 HR, .832 OPS
Adam: ML Debut 07/14/2006. Got called up the 2nd half of 2006 and had 76 PAs over the team’s final 72 games. Got called up again in the 2nd half of 2007 and had 71 PAs over the team’s final 55 games. Began playing full time for the O’s in 2008, reached 386 career PAs on 06/11/08. His numbers: 88 H, 19 BB, 21 2B/3B, 6 HR, .648 OPS
Adam, like Felix, wasn’t able to get his first batch of plate appearances all at the same time. But let’s assume he had, starting in 2008. I know you can’t negate the experience he gained in 06 and 07, but whatever. This isn’t rocket science. Adam’s numbers after his first 386 PAs as an Oriole (reached in late July 08): 100 H, 19 BB, 22 2B/3B, 6 HR, .734 OPS. Funny how except for # of hits and OPS it’s almost identical. He did strike about about 15 times less in the 2nd time frame.
Now, Felix. After getting 386 PAs from 4/17/2007 to 6/02/2009, he has 76 H, 30 BB, 19 2B/3B, 5 HR, .613 OPS. 12 less hits, but not that different from Adam Jones’ results after his first 386 PA. It’s too bad we’ll never see what Felix could do getting them all in one season.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 3, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post
Nick isn’t a good comparison as he got his 386 ABs all at once and played a different position, but AJ is a perfect parallel; the two played CF, put up identical MiL/ML numbers, and are black.
Adam Jones’ MiL line – .291/.354/.476
Felix Pie’s MiL line – .299/.355/.470
Adam after 386 ML ABs- .648
Pie after 386 ML ABs- .613
That pretty much sums up everything in my opinion.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn’t having to "sustain his numbers" work to his advantage??? I mean, if you keep duplicating a level, you should improve, right?
My point was that Pie worked his way up through every single level in the minors, hitting well at every stop; Rk —> A —> A+ —> AA —> AAA, without a single bad stint.
Nick never played AAA.
Felix did, and he performed very, very well in the closest thing you’re going to get to major league ball.
Nick had higher OPS’s at A/AA, yes, but their final MiL lines are very similar because Pie hit well in a league littered with former ML pitchers and soon-to-be ML pitchers.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A much higher OPS
In tougher leagues to hit.
There numbers may have ended up being somewhat similar (although Nick still has an advantage), but Pie also had an advantage of playing 2 years later in the league.
Pie really only had 1 very impressive year in the minors. When you combine that with his ML numbers, I would most likely write that off as just a nice year, which he was never able to approach again.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie was a good MiL hitter at all levels
Nick was better, but Pie was very good.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie should go
to Norfolk then. I find people should stick with what they do best.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't be sent down
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we should send Wieters back down since he was doing so well down there.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 3, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would
rather just bitch and moan about how Pie isn’t getting a fair shake I see.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh? No I'd prefer he get Wiggy's ABs.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 3, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frustrating.
I don’t even want to defend Wiggington. I really don’t care who gets Wiggington’s DH ABs. There can’t be that many of them.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I hope they go to zero. Pie should have been getting his DH ABs the whole time Luke was on the DL though. Seems obvious.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 3, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I’m not as anti-Pie as I’m being made out but just stating “pie needs more ABs” without explaining where they are going to come from is aggravating. And not just you. Maybe Luke gets traded to a contender and pie gets a shot down the stretch? I’m fine with that…I don’t have a lot of faith in him but if he proves me wrong then great.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there are a lot of ways to get him ABs.
Stacey is right – AJ, Nicky, and Reimold shouldn’t play 162 games this year. Let him take a game in center one week against a tough righty or something, then a game in LF and then a game in RF and for god’s sake if you’re going to DH somebody other than Luke it should be Pie (unless Wieters is DH-ing on his day off from C).
by O'sFan21 on Jun 3, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie really needs to play everyday at AAA right now. Since that’s not possible, giving him scattered AB here and there won’t really help him a whole lot. But I don’t have a problem with resting Markakis, Jones, and Reimold every now and then.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 3, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He isn't attempting to be serious
My point is simply that there was no downside in giving Pie a chance.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, he was good
But looking at his minor league numbers, there is only 1 year that indicates he’s a top level prospect.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell that to every major publication
Which ranked him as a top 50 prospect for several consecutive years.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they call I will
But I would guess they already know, that’s why he was dropped so significantly in BA’s 2007 ratings.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the 2007 chat
Bryce from Miami asks:
Felix Pie went .280-.340-.790 as a 21 year old in AAA, and I would’ve thought he’d end up much higher on the list. It seems that people forget who young he is because he’s been around for so long. Why did he end up so low?
Jim Callis: One, there are a ton of outfield prospect right now, and he pales in comparison to some of them. More important, while he still has wonderful tools, he still has a lot of refinements to make. Though he played well in the second half in Triple-A last year, he’s far from a finished product.
a) Delmon Young, Cameron Maybin, Justin Upton, Chris Young, Andrew McCutchen, Jay Bruce, Billy Butler, Jose Tabata, Carlos Gonzalez, Adam Jones (Ranked no. 28), Colby Rasmus, Jacoby Ellsbury, Adam Lind, and Dexter Fowler were all outfield prospects ranked in the top 50. That was a fantastic class of just outfielder alone, with many players only emerging in 2007. Even still, Felix was a top 50 player.
b) Callis remarked that Felix needed time to develop, and Chicago did the absolute opposite by scattering his ABs.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And has any polish been added since 2007?
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't been given the chance to refine his skills at the plate
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s had over 900 AB’s since the start of the 2007 season.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they’re spread out! That’s the crux of the disagreement. One side of the argument says you can’t refine your skills with sporadic playing time. You’re saying you can refine your skills. At this point, I would rather hear evidence supporting each position like Stacey did below.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 3, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or actually Stacey’s (and Baltimo’s) post above not below.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 3, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although Chicago's system wasn't especially strong
Felix was consistently rated their number one prospect; a toolsy player who actually put everything together.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe...
in the sense that a coup de grace is a shot!
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jun 3, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The full year?
I never implied that, nor did any of his “supporters” suggest this notion.
It was pretty well-acknowledged that the Cubs, per their typical fashion, did not allow a young, developing player to actually work out his kinks against ML pitching. When Andy brought Felix to Baltimore, the thought was that Pie would get the “Adam Jones” or “Nick Markakis” treatment in that he would be allocated 2/3 months of full responsibilities. In theory, Pie knows in the back of his mind that he doesn’t have to do to much as his job is secure, and experimentation would be fine. If Felix is a quality player, then after 2 months you’re bound to see improvement, if there is no maturation, then he simply isn’t good and you have ample backup plans in Scott/Reimold/Montanez.
I found it outrageously comical that people were clamoring for Nolan to be called up immediately after the organization had kept him in the minors for 400 years. Reimold was drafted by us, he wasn’t going anywhere, and he had never even seen the majors. What would the harm have been if MacPhail/Trembley had permitted the Pie experiment to run its course so that we could definitively assess his potential?
At the beginning of the season, Freel/Wigginton/Scott took away ABs from Pie, and excuses were made along the lines of “Hey, Felix was late to ST, and the other guys are veterans, Pie will get worked in eventually.” After about a week, Felix did see some significant time, and he struggled AS WE ALL KNEW HE WOULD. After 2/3 weeks of struggling, Lou freakin’ Montanez was taking huge chunks of time from Felix, and then Reimold was called up to take over full-time. Why. . .?
Even with Reimold as the starter, Felix has not been treated appropriately. Pie is a 23 year old prospect for all intents and purposes, and he is being treated like a 34 year old retread who is putting up bad numbers. Over the past few weeks Felix has come up to the plate like ten times, and he has performed well in his extremely limited opportunities. After a terrific series in Kansas City, for example, Felix was completely ignored.
How can you possible justify Ty Wigginton getting time over Felix Pie? I mean really. . .
I didn’t have very high expectations for Pie, but it was a win-win situation as we could have dismissed all inquiries by giving him 3 months, and then called up Reimold had Pie disappointed. Instead, he was given the axe early and has since performed very well, raising numerous questions.
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by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was the promise and what did you mean by “full time” then?
I’ll admit I’m biased, I didn’t think much of Pie when we traded for him and from what I’ve seen in his brief time he hasn’t done anything to change my opinion. He’s been given a few brief shots in the majors and has done nothing with it. And outside of 1 year, his minor league numbers really aren’t that impressive either.
And not to nitpick, but he’s 24.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2/3 months of full responsibilities.
Again, if after two and a half months you’re not seeing light at the end of the tunnel, then you can move on, comfortable that you gave a former top prospect his chance.
Remember that going into 2009, we really didn’t have a definitive solution in left for, presumably, the first half of the season.
Scott was too old, Montanez wasn’t good enough, and Reimold, it was thought, would probably take, at the very least, 3/4 months to get AAA down. Bringing in Pie was a perfect move as we gave up nothing and would get to see a toolsy/athletic/high upside guy get full ABs without taking playing time away from other potential 2011 LFers.
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by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not exactly true
Many of us thought that Scott was a perfectly fine answer to LF. I mean, he’s 31, not 41. And we also had Freel who was thought could be a 4th OF’er.
And was Pie really promised 2-3 months??? That seems like an odd move to make when you trade for a player and I don’t think I’ve ever heard that.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We had ideas of contending in 2011 - 2017?
You want a 34 year old Scott when we begin contending?
MacPhail was very public in telling the fans that Chicago mistreated Pie, and Baltimore would let him figure things out.
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by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
But didn’t you say yourself that Nolan would take at the very least 3/4 months? And when did he ever say publicly that Pie was mistreated??? And when did he promise him anything?
And a LF is a pretty easy role to fill from FA.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to dig up any quotes
But I am sure someone can support my claim that the front office/Crowley/Trembley were very public in assuring Pie ABs as they attributed his failure in Chicago to limited playing time.
I’m not sure I understand your point about Nolan. Reimold was going to take 3/4 months, yes, so until then you can try out other possible solutions. Going into 2009 Reimold wasn’t this uber prospect, he was a guy who had been in our minors forever and never truly broke out; a streaky hitter who looked to be an average left fielder in all aspects.
The only other option at the time was Montanez, so adding Pie was a good move.
The only reason I am discrediting Scott is because he isn’t going to be here when we contend, so we had to find the guy who will be in Baltimore in 2011.
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by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’ll have an extremely difficult time supporting your claim that McPhail has publicly stated that Pie was mistreated in Chicago.
Even if Andy believed that, I would be shocked if he stated that publicly. It’s not his style.
My point was that Scott was a perfectly acceptable option in LF this year. If we’re worried about the future, and we thought Scott was going to be too old, we had guys in the minors who if worked out would be available by 2011. And if not, it’s not a hard spot to fill.
And Reimold has taken a step forward this year, but he was still near the top 100 and made a few lists.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn’t outright say that Chicago abused Pie, but he did note that Felix’s failures arose from limited ABs, indirectly hinting at the fact that the Cubs repeatedly mishandle their prospects.
You don’t remember this talk right after we acquired Felix? There was great optimism in Baltimore because his playing time was so badly handled by Lou/Hendry that Pie could only improve.
Scott would be great on a good team right now, but who cares when we’re not contending? We were looking for the 2011+ solution, and tried to stack up on as many options as possible.
Reimold looks good now, but again, he was a 24 year old guy in AA who had career injury problems and was notoriously streaky. His projection was an average ML outfielder, whereas Pie had the upside of a superstar. No harm in giving up nothing to test Felix out while Reimold works on AAA for the first time ever.
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by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm looking 2010
I’m tired of pushing it back two years every April.
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by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arrieta/Matusz/Snyder won't even be up until June of 2010
2010 looks to be a .500 year, but 2011 should be contention.
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by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ye of little faith.
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by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So then why say
“MacPhail was very public in telling the fans that Chicago mistreated Pie”
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reimold's hitting, Pie didn't.
Unless you are pretty sure Pie is going to be a dramatically better player than Nolan Reimold, why SHOULDN’T Nolan be playing now?
I don’t understand the logic of sitting the better-performing of two young players so the worse-performing one gets more opportunities to get better.
You play the young player who’s hitting. Sitting Reimold instead of Pie now makes zero sense to me.
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by duck on Jun 3, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
I don’t think they (Pie supporters) are advocating sitting Reimold. I think…stress think…they would like to see Pie play against tough righties maybe and spell in LF and RF once a week? I don’t see that working but I think that’s the thought.
I know Pie didn’t get a fair shake and he would most likely hit .290 with power if given the shot but I think his shot needs to come somewhere else.
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by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Wiggy?
Wiggy has DH’d 14 times and played 1st 4 times when Huff DH’d. I don’t see why Pie couldn’t have gotten a few of those ABs. I know he’s left handed, but still.
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by Stacey on Jun 3, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think
Wieters will continue to DH every now and then? If so…there’s Pie’s DH ABs too. Unless he can catch.
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by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good point
I hadn’t taken into consideration. I wonder will he DH once a week?
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by Stacey on Jun 3, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gut instinct
I want to say no but who knows. I thought Zaun would play Sundays and Wieters would sit.
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by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming a six game week
Wieters will play five days. He’ll also rest for day games after night games. Typical stuff I’m assuming.
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by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I didn't want Nolan called up
I understand the circumstances, but the whole Pie deal was mishandled before Luke/AJ went down.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So now what?
All that’s already happened. Now what? What do you want done with Pie now?
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by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ABs over Wigginton
That’s it.
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by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you have a crush on Wiggington. So you want him filling in at 3B, 1B, and 2B?
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by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huff and Roberts never take days off
And 3B I can understand, but Wiggy DHs occasionally, and will DH more when Luke cools.
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by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't once suggested that Reimold should sit
I made it clear that Nolan should be the full-time starter at this point.
My gripe is that Felix should have been given his chance before Nolan as Pie had no options, he was a former top prospect, and there were legitimate reasons for his ML failures.
Reimold wasn’t going anywhere, and was actually forecasted to be in Baltimore in July, so cover all your bases and test Pie then Nolan.
Now that Nolan has been called up, though, I would like to see him get playing time over Wigginton and ABs when resting Nick/Markakis/Reimold.
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by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My gripe is that Felix should have been given his chance before Nolan as Pie had no options, he was a former top prospect, and there were legitimate reasons for his ML failures.
I wanted to see Pie get 2 or 3 months of playing time too. I don’t think he was given a “fair” shot this year (given what I’ve read above, a short stint does not consitutute a fair shot), but I’m not losing any sleep over it. Nolan stepped in and hit. That’s baseball. You hit, you play, you suck, you ride the bench.
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by birdman on Jun 3, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may have lost the LF job at the moment, but it doens't sound like MacPhail has given up on him.
http://masnsports.com/2009/06/macphail-on-pie.html
Maybe if they make a trade before the deadline with Scott and/or Huff some more AB’s might open up for him.
by Redford on Jun 3, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
read it, sounds like he’s given it up to me. Dude will never produce without ABs.
by math_geek on Jun 3, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know. Sounds to me like he’s saying that just because he isn’t playing right now doesn’t mean they have any plans of risking losing him on waivers. I agree that he needs to play given his age, but I think the point MacPhail is making is that they are going to keep him around until another opportunity opens up, and that at worst, he’ll be the 4th outfielder. Of course, DD will have to give Adam and Nick more than 1 day off a season to maximize the need for a fourth outfielder, but that’s another point.
by Redford on Jun 3, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Wieters is taking votes from Pie
Screw third parties.
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by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
this is relavent, but Brian Roberts wouldn’t have ever had a shot had Hairston not been injured. And when he came back the O’s didn’t split their time. They sent Hairston packing b/c they had a performing commodity.
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by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pie is Junk, Reimold's a Hunk
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by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel extremely guilty... for starting Bedard on my fantasy team yesterday
by whereswieters on Jun 3, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You should start Felix Pie. He's the best baseball player ever.
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by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, we get it
You think Pie stinks.
Roger that.
by dkdc on Jun 3, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by BPinOK on Jun 3, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie should get some playing time
if only to improve his tradeability. If he is a legitimate future starter, then sooner or later he is going to have to leave, because it isn’t going to happen here, so we might as well get some value.
I was pretty disappointed with him, too, but that was when we were turning him into an underperforming starting LF. Since then he has gotten steadily better, and with Freel gone he serves a role. But he should be playing, not begging for ABs, which is why I see a trade in his future.
by fishoutawata on Jun 3, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pie is not the one who will be traded.
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by zknower on Jun 3, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listen to Andy from the MASN quote above
“I personally see it, it’s in there, it’s all in there,” MacPhail added. “Right now the at bats look scarce for him. But things happen. He’s a talented kid that is going to have to wait his turn now until another turn comes about for whatever reason.”
Pie isn’t going anywhere. He will get his ABs….later in the year. He is perfect as a 4th OF for now. (It would be good if he could get a few more ABs now, no question.)
But Andy is going to shop Scott. He’s going to shop Huff. Reimold will hit a slump sooner or later. Someone will sprain an ankle sooner or later (sorry, but it’s true). Pie will see a stretch of 2-3 weeks where he plays every day or every other day, because that’s what the second half of this season looks like. I imagine behind closed doors, he is being told exactly this.
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by zknower on Jun 3, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The philosophy is still troubling
I don’t like the idea of our front office/coaches deciding to not give Pie his shot.
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by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
First off it’s not “his shot”. He doesn’t have a right to expect anything at this point.
Second, that is precisely our FO’s job.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Continuing on from our discussion earlier.
"For us, they made a lot of sense," MacPhail said. "We have the luxury of time, which is something Chicago really doesn’t."
"I don’t have as much pressure here," Pie said. "I can play every day. With Chicago, I wasn’t going to be in the lineup. I think I can help this team win."
"What we need to see is whether he can make the adjustments he needs to make in the major leagues," MacPhail said. "We see it. There are days you just see it all. The power’s there, the speed, he runs down balls in the outfield. Then there are days he looks rugged at the plate, which is to be expected."
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by Baltimo on Jun 3, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure the point of the quotes
We thought he was going to be given some time, he was, although granted at least a month less than we expected. But the situation has changed. Reimold is up and there is little reason to send him down.
Really, like I said, I’ve never liked him. I wasn’t torn up by the trade because I wasn’t too high on Olson either, but thought we probably gave away a little bit of value. So I likely wouldn’t have given him a shot in the first place, so I’m not exactly coming into this impartial.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 3, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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