Here we go again: The misery of an O's fan when the Red Sox are in town.
Ok, so this isn't going to be a profound post with any kind of new way of thinking or information you've never read. It's more about getting something off my chest and articulating a feeling that I think many of us have.
I went to the baseball game last night and, well, it wasn't fun. It's not the losing. Obviously losing is never fun but I've been to more Orioles losses than wins in my life and I keep going back, so that's not it. It's the Red Sox fans. Just being at the game puts me on edge. Honestly I wouldn't have even gone to the game of my own volition, but it was the birthday of a friend and that's what he wanted to do.
This isn't about hating the Red Sox or their fans. It's just about the experience of being there, and it just makes me angry. It makes baseball not fun because that's not how baseball is supposed to be, not at your home park. Here are the things that I know logically:
- The Red Sox fans bought their tickets fair and square and have every right to be there. They didn't get their tickets through nefarious deeds, they simply called the box office. They are not buying tickets that would otherwise go to O's fans. They are buying tickets that would otherwise be empty seats.
- The Red Sox fans are not going away. Perhaps if the team goes on a multi-year slide it will thin out some, but not totally (and besides, if you pay any attention to the Red Sox and how they operate, you know that won't be happening any time soon).
- The only way to shut up the Red Sox fans and force them out of our park is to win. That's it. We can wax on about taking back the yard and holding down the fort and whatever other way we choose to romaticize the plight of O's fan vs. Red Sox fan, but there is nothing that we can do. It's up to the team to get better. Why would a casual fan be at all interested in attending a game that a) the Orioles will probably lose, b) will feature a ridiculous amount of out of town fans, and c) costs more than any other game?
Logically, when I look at the facts, I understand why it happens. It's the perfect storm. Oriole Park is a beautiful place to see a game, the location is convenient for Red Sox fans, it costs a paycheck to buy a ticket at Fenway Park, the Orioles are bad, the Red Sox are good, Baltimore is a fun city to visit. But it still just upsets me so much to even be around it. When the Red Sox are in town on a weekend and my friends and I go to happy hour or out for the evening, I try to pick neighborhoods they don't really know about just so I don't have to see their fans.
I don't even hate the Red Sox, not really. Obviously as a fellow team in the AL East I want them to lose all the time, but it's not a case of just hating the players the way I have other teams in the past. There are actually a number of guys on the team that individually I really enjoy. I mentioned Jon Lester in the game recap, but I also enjoy Kevin Youkilis. It makes me want to vomit hearing all of the Red Sox fans yelling "Yoooooouk" at Camden Yards, but if he were an Oriole his weird body tics and crazy serial killer look would endear him to a lot of us. Plus the dude can just play.
This isn't about the behavior of the out of town fans. Well, maybe a little bit it is. I've seen the Orioles play in a number of away parks, and I cheer for them like crazy. In theory I don't have a problem with that. But when it's multiplied by five thousand, it's hard to take. That's why it's miserable. But the way I feel about these games isn't about the behavior of individual fans. There are plenty of obnoxious, inappropriate Red Sox fans. There are also plenty of obnoxious, inappropriate Orioles fans. The biggest dummy in my section last night was a guy wearing a t-shirt of Calvin peeing on the Red Sox (always a classy choice) and a coral necklace. No, it's more about the entire atmosphere. I don't WANT them to be there. I WANT the Orioles fans to be there. But I don't really want to be one of the few O's fans that actually shows up. If that sounds like I'm admitting defeat, well, I guess I am. It makes me feel miserable and helpless. It makes me sad. It makes me jealous. Why would I do that to myself?
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The last Red Sox game I went to
Featured my brother screaming “ORIOLES” during all of the Red Sox chants. The guys in our section never backed down, and my brother was forced to by the 6th inning. It got pretty annoying for everyone.
I think the best thing to do is just be a good baseball fan. Cheer a little louder when the Orioles do something kind of cool. Tell a Red Sox fan something interesting that he wouldn’t know, like the foul poles come from Memorial Stadium. I find that the Sox fans who actually do make it “Fenway South” by driving all the way down here are good people. We all love baseball right? Well they just drove 6 hours, sleeping in our city hotels, to see a game. They deserve our respect, and most of them are intelligent fellows who would appreciate a fan of another team having knowledge of their own.
The bandwagoners? They are flotsam. They are really annoying, grind on our gears, but they get shut up fast if the Orioles start winning.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Jun 30, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you(Orioles Fans) don't get it
Red Sox fans are a different animal. In fact, if you check in August, you will note that we begin to molt as we transform into Patriots fans – which I also believe to be loathed across America as well.
But why? is it because we travel to your stadium to enjoy the game? Or is it because we have checked YOUR starter’s season game logs and your team’s statistics when you haven’t?
In Boston, you will find a truly fanatic fan base, many unpaid and unknown “scouts” who can tell you in detail how our minor league prospects are doing and that’s right, you guessed it, upon returning from Baltimore are on their way to Portland, Maine to catch the Seadogs(our AA).
Another annoying thing about Red Sox fans, you can find them at all the Major League home games watching whatever team playing whoever they are playing that night and just enjoying the game. So, please don’t take it personally, try to account it to supply and demand, the Red Sox are so popular in Boston that the last 500 games have been sold out, there are not enough tickets to meet the demand and BWI is about 1hr 20min from Bos.
(ps- In time, we will also find those unknown out of the way taverns and restaurants in Baltimore, because we are curious and seek the best and most interesting cultural experiences as well.)
See you at the Park!
by Sox fan in Florida on Jun 30, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you seriously
coming onto an Orioles blog that does nothing but talk about the Orioles and suggesting that we don’t look at the stats of our players?
Not to be the arrogant Orioles fan, but that’s some bullshit.
Also, if you read what I wrote, I don’t blame the Red Sox fans for anything. In fact, I even said I understand it! So maybe actually read and think instead of reacting.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 30, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also
you can understand why something happens and realize that it’s understandable and still not like it.
Thanks for telling me all the wonderful things about Red Sox fans and their knowledge and wonderful sense of curiosity though.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 30, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
called me out
Yeah, you’re right.
anyway, I was just playing around. But among sports towns, Boston does have a very intimate following of the games.
by Sox fan in Florida on Jun 30, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're full of shit
I live here. When the teams were down (Bruins, Celtics, Patriots) the fans were not around. When they win, everyone knows about them. Baseball is number one, but don’t tell me about the intimate following bullshit for all the game. Asshole.
by drj on Jun 30, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Boston fans...
paying attention since 2004.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 1, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me guess...you started checking other team stats (and Sox stats probably) in around 2004???
by O'sFan21 on Jun 30, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boog Powell
No, I went to my first Sox game at Fenway in 1965. The bleacher ticket was $1. In those early years, I didn’t look at stats in those early years, but I loved the game. I started getting more serious in my teen years. That was when the great starters had pitching duels – to watch Luis Tiant and Jim Palmer go 9 head to head – Man against Man, it was more than a game – you know what I mean?
Anyway, one great memory I have of the Orioles was around 1976, my friend and I got to Fenway 2 hours early to watch batting practice. It ended up that Bobby Grich came over and talked to us for an hour(he had a broken hand and wasn’t playing). Anyway, he was genuine. Those were the days, eh?
by Sox fan in Florida on Jun 30, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because we are curious and seek the best and most interesting cultural experiences as well
If there were any truth to this statement whatsoever, the majority of you would not be living in Boston.
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Jun 30, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wrong headed thinking
Even though I typed out a great blowhard, Boston remains a cultural megaplex..although not on the scale of the BWI zone, but unique in and of itself.
To call Boston culturally dead is just intellectual dishonesty.
by Sox fan in Florida on Jun 30, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll agree with that - I like Boston as a city.
Still fuck off just the same.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 30, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you're setting up a strawman
I didn’t call it “intellectually dead”
i said (or implied) that it isn’t the place for the best and most interesting cultural experiences. And I stand by that remark.
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Jul 1, 2009 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
… I appreciate your comment, at any rate, especially the self-deprecating comment about molting into Patriots fans. Having lived in the Boston area before, I know that the Red Sox have a lot of fanatical followers, most of whom suffered through a lot of heartbreak before 2004. But do give us some credit too…
by Bad Horse on Jul 1, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Write Up
Lets Go Red Sox
Lets Go Red Sox
Lets Go Red Sox.
Just kidding – until 7:10 tonight.
by www.SoxTherapy.Net on Jun 30, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You honestly created an account just for that?
Get a life ya chobo.
by Johnny_S on Jun 30, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see a single pink hat on your blog. Incredibly unrealistic.
Work on that ya jagoff.
by O'sFan21 on Jun 30, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should probably go away
And you know what? Show a little fucking respect in our beautiful stadium. Calling it Fenway South is about the douchiest thing anyone can do.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 30, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice website.
Let me know when you get some readers.
And it’s not “Fenway South,” it’s “Oriole Park at Camden Yards.” I know 5 words is a bit harder to memorize for you Sox fans, but I think you can do it. :)
by Tophr on Jun 30, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
way to plug your website
to Orioles fans.
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jun 30, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this is about right
We won’t be “Fenway South” until we win, and it sucks, and there’s really nothing anyone can do about it. Except for the occasional Opening Day-type game where we outdrew the Yanks fans, nothing is changing for a while.
by punkrawka on Jun 30, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Infuriating
I personally cannot stand Boston fans. Their accents make me cringe, like that skit on SNL “NO YOU AAAHHRRR”. Ugh.
Our day will come soon enough. Its just around the horizon…
by Johnny_S on Jun 30, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know it's a photoshop job. but it makes me laugh.

It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Jun 30, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mute the games
when we play the Red Sox or Yankees. You hear all them little kid bandwagon fans screaming " lets go red sox". What the hell are wrong with parents these days letting the children become red sox fans(loosely used), shame, shame.
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by Michael18 on Jun 30, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
KC
Last summer I was driving back from Wyoming and made a stop in KC to catch a Royals game and they just happened to be playing the Sox. I guess somehow I had convinced myself that the Red Sox fan arrogance and dominance only happened in Baltimore. I was dead wrong.
Not only did they outnumber the fans of the Royals (which isn’t that huge of a surprise given KC has 20 fans on a good day) but they were even more annoying and obnoxious than ever.
Luckily KC came back from behind to win so it made it all better.
by Gorilla Bird on Jun 30, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You think that we have it bad...
I went to two of the Sox-Nats game in DC last week (my mother is from Boston and adept and getting great seats). I went to the game wearing Sox gear, as she would appreciate it (what can I say? Washington is all about politics) but it was just sad.
On Thursday, I was sitting in row A next to the Sox dugout and I literally couldn’t see one Nats shirt in my section. I saw two people in the section next to mine wearing hometown gear. That was it. Maybe the upper deck was different, but the third base line was at least 95% Sox fans, no exaggeration. At Sox games in OPACY, at least you could argue it’s closer to 50-50.
What pained me the most were the little kids who came running down between innings to try to get balls from the third base coaches. Universally they were wearing Sox gear, but they were all locally grown children.
I will say though that there were a healthy contingent of UVA grads (also mostly in Sox gear) who were happy to root for Zimm.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Jun 30, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You're an O's fan
who wore Sox gear to a Nats game? Consider me disgusted.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 30, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For reals.
There’s such a thing as shirts without baseball logos on them. You had literally millions of wardrobe options.
1933 was a bad year
by Senatorrosewater on Jun 30, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How as an O's fan
can you look at yourself in the mirror after wearing a Red Sox jersey? How can it “pain” you to see those Red Sox gear when you wore it/own it yourself? Wtf?
by Johnny_S on Jun 30, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was just thinking the same thing when you posted your comment Johnny
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
by Graham71681 on Jun 30, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm a uva grad
and i root for ryzimm (heck, i wouldnt bother going to any nats games if he wasnt on the team) even tho he left a solid uva squad for the majors. at least hes on the nat’s and not the bosox.
by twistedlogic on Jun 30, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're a UVA grad?
me too… what did you study?
by SidewinderX on Jun 30, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
systems and aerospace engr
considering trying to go back for a masters
by twistedlogic on Jun 30, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What year Systems?
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Jun 30, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
same....do we know eachother?
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Jun 30, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
twisted, are you roy?
I’m aero ’09
by SidewinderX on Jun 30, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arthur?
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Jun 30, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like 20 questions...
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Jun 30, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm David
there were only 13 aeros, including our exchange students. who the f are you? ;)
by SidewinderX on Jun 30, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aero minor
you guys took statics/dynamics second year right? i reckon im a year behind cuz i only had to take like 5 aero classes.
by twistedlogic on Jun 30, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do you get a minor
with only 5 classes? anyway, ya we took statics and dynamics second year. (my id is dap8r, shoot me an e-mail with you name if you don’t want to post it to the internets, i’m interested in meeting other o’s/uva fans!)
arlington: same for you… I know a bunch of systems so I might know you, or we atleast have mutual friends
by SidewinderX on Jun 30, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different
Its different to root for a single player on a team in the OTHER league. But to root for and put on the jersey of a team that is not only in your league, not only in your division, but of a team you are essentially required to hate, that’s just WRONG!
by Johnny_S on Jun 30, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trust me, it hurt my soul.
But a) that wasn’t the point of the post, and b) I was doing a favor for a family member in return for getting me killer tickets to a game I had no rooting interest in.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Jun 30, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still...
I am probably a bigger Steelers fan than I am an Os fan so I will look at it that way. If my mother got me 50-yard line, front row tickets to a Ravens’ game and she said I could only go if I wore purple. I would tell her to go sell the tickets on ebay. Maybe I am crazy, but allegiance to me is one of the ultimate requirements of a fan (you know, non-bandwagoners).
by Johnny_S on Jun 30, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wha???
wait….if you are a steeler fan…shouldn’t you be a pirates fan? Who’s the real bandwagon fan?
by brek on Jun 30, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im a redskins fan
instead of the ravens. but then again, we didnt have a baseball team in the DC area when i started watching
by twistedlogic on Jun 30, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Orioles fan can be called a "bandwagon" fan with the way that this team plays
by Crank White on Jun 30, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i was talking about the Steeler fan part of it.
by brek on Jun 30, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I live in MD, but
I started watching football in about 1991. I instantly was a huge fan of Jerome Bettis and Rod Woodson (my cousins in Pittsburgh gave me the interest). The Steelers were horrible that year at 7-9 but I just fell in love with the franchise. There was no Baltimore Ravens. And at the time I refused to be a fan of a DC team. So if being a fan of a 7-9 team makes me band wagon. Sure, I’m bandwagon.
by Johnny_S on Jun 30, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you wanna borrow my shovel...
Bettis wasn’t on the 7-9 team you apparently fell in love with…or the 11-5 team the year after that, or the 9-7 team the next year, or the 12-4 team the next year, or the 11-5 team the next year…
He started with the Rams in 93 and didn’t come to Pitt until 96 — at which point they had been to the playoffs for 4 straight years (including a superbowl) and would go the next two years as well.
So, yeah…bandwagon.
by brek on Jun 30, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never said Bettis was on the 91 team...
I just said I started watching football and the Steelers in 91. Bettis came a long later and I was a huge fan when he was there. Woodson was however and that’s why my first jersey as a kid was a Rod Woodson jersey. Once Bettis came, I swapped the Woodson Jersey for a Bettis jersey.
Can I help that they were good after that? No. Before 91 they had done pretty much nothing (excluding 89 where they lost 2nd round of the playoffs).
So bandwagon? No.
by Johnny_S on Jun 30, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh...
I started watching football in about 1991. I instantly was a huge fan of Jerome Bettis and Rod Woodson…
The above passage states that you were “instantly” a fan of two players when you started watching in ‘91. So you’re either lying or simply not a student of the language we call “English”.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
by OEutaw on Jul 1, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My dad is the same way
He grew up in Baltimore a die-hard Orioles/Colts fan, when they left, he wanted to root for someone, so he became a Steelers fan. I think it grew more when we moved to York County. He tried to root for the Ravens when they came back, but he just couldn’t do it….
by NewYorkOriole on Jun 30, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The worst thing
Is that when you go to the games and try and stick up for you team. You can’t because before you know it ushers are on your a** and then you get threaten to be kicked out. But the yankee fans and red sox fans are able to say what they want (I don’t get it). You notice that there arn’t much if any red sox and yankee games played at home on friday nights this year! Maybe it could be because when there is the student nights we actually kick the red sox and yankess fans a** like old times. I mean that wouldn’t surprise me that that is the reason. Also we normally get decent crowds on the weekends anyway so they planned them to play in the middle of the week. It could be a money thing. But it stinks cause it makes you feel like a minority in your own stadium
by Oriolebird88 on Jun 30, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more about the ushers
I went to an O’s/Yanks game last year with my brother who had recently moved to Arizona and had flown in specifically for the game. He was proudly sporting a brand new “Yankees Suck” t-shirt he had purchased for the occasion. When we got to the gate on Eutaw St. one of the ticket takers said he couldn’t come in unless he turned the t-shirt inside out… claiming it was “inappropriate”. They actually made him do it right there in the ticket line… of course in front of bunches of Yankees fans taking pleasure in the whole scene. It was a fucking embarrassment. When we both starting bitching they threatened to call security and not let either one of us in. An O’s fan flies across country for the only game he’ll see all year and OUR STAFF tells him he can’t come in because he’s wearing a “Yankees Suck” shirt to a game against the Yankees?! What?
My grandfather used to work as a ticket taker at Memorial and then Camden before he passed away… I could literally hear him turning in his grave.
by jvoelks on Jun 30, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was made to take off my "Yankees Suck" t-shirt by the ticket takers as well.
We weren’t even playing the MFY, it just happened to be the only O’s shirt I had that day that was clean.
I put it back on as soon as I was inside, though. You’ll play “Rock & Roll Pt. 2”, which you KNOW induces the crowd to chant, “Hey! You suck!” but I can’t wear it printed on my shirt? Get a clue.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
by OEutaw on Jul 1, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Banning "Suck" Blows
I went to Game 6 of the ALCS last year. Since it was the Rays and the Red Sox, and I am an Orioles fan, I thought we could all just get along if I wore my “Yankees Suck” T-Shirt. They made me turn it inside out on the way in, too. Apparently ""suck" is an inappropriate word because if a kid reads it, and asks their parents what it means, it might lead to an uncomfortable situation, and MLB is against that sort of thing" was the explanation that I got…. “Buck Foston” signs however, were welcomed.
Oh, and Boston won both ALCS games I went to last year, and I didn’t really have a rooting interest in the games, but after spending 5 minutes around obnoxious road Red Sox fans, I became a Rays sympathizer real quick. The only other time I’ve been to a Red Sox game was at Yankee Stadium (the Pedro vs. Mussina game where Pedro broke Jeter’s wrist), and since I was rooting for the Red Sox in that game, I guess I didn’t notice their fans’ being arrogant jerks.
by tflach2 on Jul 1, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My wife and I went to see the Orioles play last year in Anaheim wearing our jerseys in a sea of red. It was the first
game that Lou Mantanez played in and he hit a home run in his first at bat (Texiera was at first and I was visualizing him in an O’s uniform).
Being a gentleman I went to get her a drink and missed it the lone homer. She told me she let out such a yell that the whole section went silent and looked at her she was literally afraid until I returned. Because of where we were it took most of the inning to get back to her with the drink.
That may not be a big deal except for the recent shootings in at the stadium … but its California. It ain’t right but it is what it is. Fan is short for fanatic … and yes the usher are the biggest trouble. This isn’t the Red Sox and Yankees mind you but if I could feel that level of intimidation in Anheim, I can’t imagine it at OPACY when the Sox and Yanks play there.
by col_kl1nk on Jun 30, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Being a gentleman I went to get her a drink and missed it the lone homer. She told me she let out such a yell that the whole section went silent and looked at her she was literally afraid until I returned. Because of where we were it took most of the inning to get back to her with the drink.
I was at that game too. The crowd at Anaheim is super chill. I went to almost all of the O’s/Angels games last year and rooted for the O’s w/o any dirty looks. Of course, I wasn’t obnoxious or anything. Just cheered when the O’s did well. Gave out a few Luuuke shouts. That’s about it. I saw a very loud Met fan at an Angels and nobody bothered him either. He tried starting a “Let’s Go Mets” chant but was quickly drowned out.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 30, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Level of intimidation in Anaheim?
Seriously? It’s not like it’s Dodger Stadium. Their fans are chill rich kids from the O.C. I went to the game last year when Waters shut them out and the worst I got was when some kid uttered “Nice record” in reference to O’s W/L. Most people were nice, and I had some good conversations with their fans.
"Take on Me" - a-ha
by exitfare on Jun 30, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the A
The beer prices are reasonable for an MLB park, and the fans are usually laid back, except maybe in right field. I went to two of the games last year (the one where Water made his first MLB start and pitched a great game, and then the saturday game, O’s went 1-1 on the games I went to). I’m going this Thursday AND Friday (just wish that Bergeson was going to start one of the games against the LAAAIOCC).
by wishEYEhadCRABS on Jun 30, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First post
I’ve been browsing for a while and finally decided to make an account. I have to agree with all the things you’ve said. It’s pretty clear that most of the fans that go through the trouble of traveling with the team are genuine fans. There are also those Sox and Yankee fans who aren’t disrespectful and just want to watch the game. Nothing wrong with that at all. But then there are the fans who feel it’s necessary to heckle other team’s fans in an away ballpark and they are the ones who ruin it for everyone. These fans “invade” Camden Yards and are disrespectful which isn’t fair to any genuine fan – whether they’re O’s fans or another team’s fans. Alas, life isn’t fair and I’m afraid there’s not much we can do about the annoying invaders other than complain. I’m all for complaining though!
Oh and as much I don’t want any Red Sox/Yankees fan cheering on their team at Camden Yards, it’s alright as long as they don’t drown out the cheers of O’s fans, although at this point that’s inevitable. I’m happy to be here!
by DCO'sfan on Jun 30, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that it's fair to question how "genuine" some of these Sox fans are.
I no longer live in the Baltimore area, but I’d like to put in my two cents’ worth on this subject.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills or something, but am I the only person that remembers a time when only people in Boston liked the Red Sox? I don’t know what happened… oh wait, yes I do; they won two World Series in four years, and now all of a sudden everybody’s part of Sox nation. Even people with the loosest of ties to the New England area.
Granted, the Red Sox, even in their worst years, have had great fans. I’m not talking about them. I’m talking about the Boston ex-pat who has lived in Wyoming for the past thirteen years who shows up to work in November of 2004 with a Sox hat on and is all of a sudden a BLOHARD. There are millions of copies of this guy. In every city in this country. They are the “fans” who are swarming Camden Yards, Nationals Park, anywhere the Sox are playing nearby. They don’t deserve any sympathy. And they don’t deserve any respect.
I remember seeing the O’s and the Sox play back in 1993, and I don’t remember any kind of Red Sox presence to the level that it has reached in recent years. Sure, there were Sox fans at the game, but they were seen and not heard… which is the way that visiting fans should be (myself included). The last O’s series that i had the pleasure of attending before moving to Colorado was against the Red Sox last year when we took two from them in May. I was waxing nostalgic to my girlfriend about how much I was going to miss Camden Yards, but I couldn’t help feeling a little bit disgusted by the overwhelming presence of Red Sox fans. I remember telling her, “It didn’t used to be like this.”
It’s sad that it is going to take a winning O’s team to bring the balance back. The majority of the butts in those stadium seats are fickle, it’s an unfortunate circumstance. Nevertheless, we O’s fans need to hold it down for the team right now, and we need to get angry at these poseurs. Camden Yards is Birdland, man. There’s no green monster on Eutaw Street. There’s no Citgo sign on top of the warehouse. Send those Yanks back to Boston, and if they’re bandwagon Sox “fans” from the metro area, then put them in their place too. You don’t see a sea of green at FedEx field, and you shouldn’t see a sea of red at Camden Yards.
Sorry for the rant… I have to wait a whole year before the O’s come out to Denver, and I miss the old birds. Thinking about Red Sox fans invading the Yards just angers me.
by Crank White on Jun 30, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are absolutely right
There was no such thing as Red Sox Nation before 2004. Now EVERYONE is a Red Sox fan and claims they have been for years. Even in the late 90s and early 00s when the Os had begun their slide, I never remember Sox fans making the pilgrimage to Camden. It just didn’t happen.
One of my favorite memories in recent Orioles history came when I attended a Red Sox/Orioles game on Sunday, August 12, 2007. I crafted this sign and proudly waived it throughout the day…

The O’s were down 3-1 going in to the bottom of the 8th and showing no signs of life. That inning Eric Gange came in and gave up a two-run, game tying homerun to Tejada. Promptly shutting up each and every Red Sox fan (and there were a lot of them) in the building. Then in the 10th after back to back singles, Boston’s own Kevin Millaaaaar (who the Sox fans had been giving a standing ovation to at each plate appearance all day) capped the perfect day off with a 3-run, walk off, bomb. That day was soooooooo beautiful. Almost every O’s fan I passed on the way out of the game complimented my sign or wanted a picture with it. And the Red Sox fan’s pouted all the way home.
by jvoelks on Jun 30, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damnit… you can’t see the picture…. It say’s:
“The B (and is the Boston logo B) is for BANDWAGON”
by jvoelks on Jun 30, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Nation has a longer existence than you think
I recall going to a Red Sox/A’s game in Oakland in 2000, and the local pre-game radio show was talking about how the Sox have a strong presence in that park. They specifically referred to the Red Sox Nation.
I believe I used to be a member just by being a Sox fan (since the Sox lost in the World Series to that damned Big Red Machine). Sadly, I believe the Nation has since been co-opted by the team and you have to pay a membership fee to be an official member. Nuts!
All respect to fans of the game everywhere, no matter who you cheer for!
by Fosh on Jun 30, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha really?
There is an actual official nation that you pay money to be in?
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by Stacey on Jun 30, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, the Red Sox Nation could be as old as freaking Egypt, but
the point is this: the population of Red Sox Nation increased by four quadrillion percent in 2004. That’s science fact. And it’s why Camden has been infested with Massholes and ex-patriate Massholes (who just so happened to “rediscover” their love for the Sox recently) every summer since.
I didn’t know that you had to pay to be a member of the Nation. That’s hilarious. I bet they run the Sox Nation like Scientology, where you have to pay your way up some bizarre structure that they brainwash you into believing reflects your actual intensity of passion for the team.
“A $100 dollar donation, huh? Well that’s nice, but that only gets you into the Bill Buckner Club. Why don’t you pay $20 more and at least secure a membership into the Jim Rice Room. Of course all of the veterans here at RSN are on the Ted Williams Level, but you wouldn’t be interested in that, would you?”
by Crank White on Jul 1, 2009 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My wife is a Sox fan.
There, I said it. But she comes by it honestly – she grew up in New England proper & was living in Boston when I met her. She roots for the O’s when they aren’t playing the Sox as they are now her hometown team. And she’s embarrassed by the crowd that shows up at Camden Yards. Her first reaction was to refer to all of them as Massholes. Having experienced that crowd several times now, she’s convinced only a Southwest plane-load or two are actually from New England. As she says, “I’ve never seen so many Sox fans with so few accents”.
I believe the returning chant at the Sox-Nats games last week, in response to “Let’s go Red Sox” was “You’re from Fairfax”.
True, true.
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by OEutaw on Jul 1, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"You're from Fairfax"
That is good stuff.
by jvoelks on Jul 1, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey O's WIN
Stop being a bunch of annual pathetic losers and things will change.
Really, in the meanwhile, why bother going to such games? If the Orioles are incapable of competing and giving you a chance at an enjoyable evening, they don’t deserve much support.
You can tell me how the team is “getting better”. Perhaps, but until their record says they aren’t bunch of losers (specifically on the field), that’s exactly what they are. When they change, so will the crowds. It’s true for every fan base.
by drj on Jun 30, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure hasn't helped the Rays
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by Andrew @ TLC on Jun 30, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's cause their stadium sucks.
by SidewinderX on Jun 30, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and because most people in florida dont care about baseball
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by Reddrummer9187 on Jun 30, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Fenway South signs are too much. Otherwise, I’m fine with the Red Sox fans. I don’t like it but I’m fine with it. They bought tickets, they should be able to cheer their team like anyone else.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jun 30, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
for the last five years the boston red sox have been a tough, hard-nosed team that refuses to lose
and they beat the shit out of us every summer
so …. when are our guys going to get mad enough to turn it around?
nuff said.
ps. i’ve said it before. i’ll say it again …. the presence of the Fed Gubmt in area is main reason for large amts of Sux fans on ground
by thewaywardO on Jun 30, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My two cents
I hate the Sux
I hated the Skankees
I hate their fans
I hate their uniforms
I hate their “history”
I just freakin hate them all.
Always have, always will.
They all suck.
I’m out.
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by elktonfan on Jun 30, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have some specific complaints
Because, like you all, I like to go into opposing teams stadiums and have a good time (I’ve never had a bad night, outside of the final scores, in Yankee Stadium, Nationals Stadium, or Citizen’s Bank Park), and I don’t fault the Red Sox fans at all for coming en masse to OPACY. And I don’t particularly mind the cheering that makes it seem like a road game. That’s fine; if you’re coming to root for your team, root for your team. It makes me frustrated and sad to see it happen, but I don’t begrudge them.
What does make me angry is the obnoxious superiority I get, not on a one-on-one level, but when faced with the group. I don’t think it’s right to start chants in any ballpark that isn’t your own, and the Fenway Park at Camden Yards sign are infuriating, as is things like the Boston Globe joking casually about heading home to Baltimore.
But I accept it all. What else can you do at this point but lick your wounds and say, “You all just fucking wait” and hope it gets better faster than you anticipate it will?
Anyway, it’s good to vent.
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by Andrew @ TLC on Jun 30, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
One of the best parts last night
was early in the 9th, when the “Let’s Go Red Sox!” chances were heating up, there’s a lone, female voicing yelling at a point when Fred Manfra shut up for two seconds saying…
“God, SHUT UP already!”
It was beautiful.
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by duck on Jul 1, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can bet that, when the Orioles start winning, those of us who have endured the last decade will suddenly decry the bandwagon Os fans. Pick your enemy: the current Sox fans (bandwagon or not) or the returning Os fans that will drive up ticket prices and possibly keep us from seeing our own winning team?
With a winning Os team will come the return of sellout games and hard-to-come-by tickets. I’m spoiled that I can get such wonderful seats (or, compared to that crap pile of a park they call Fenway, ANY seat) at such a modest price. I fear the day that changes.
by blawk359 on Jul 1, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
red sox fans
Stacey – now you could also just wait a day, watch the O’s fall behind to the Sawx 9-1, then pummel them for 10 runs in the 7th & 8th inning to complete the greatest o’s comeback in history. Now THAT would have been a great red sox game to witness with all those paying SAWX fans in attendance!!!!!!
by jyl on Jul 1, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This game
was so beautiful.
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by Afghanistan Steve on Jul 1, 2009 1:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
D.E.V.O.T.E.D.(my introduction onto Camden Chat)
I was never a big O’s fan or Baseball fan for that fact. I’ve always been more of a Raven’s fan. My friend though ever year he would come to class with his O’s cap on and shirt and give me facts about them that I didn’t care for. Other kids bided at him to admit their team of choose was better but he never gave in he would always say your team is good but the O’s are better even after losses. So I just overlooked it but over the years I started to like the Orioles more and more but not enough to watch the games or goto the games unless I was offered a ticket once in awhile. So in 2009 I decided I don’t support my home team enough and decided what the hell I’ll become more involved in baseball so now I watch a game every so often. Play with the O’s when I can on games etc. So then I decided to become part of this blog to help me gain more knowledge of the O’s.
by blueothello on Jul 1, 2009 2:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by OEutaw on Jul 1, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try living in New England
I was raised an O’s fan – used to be a Junior Oriole [anybody old enough to remember that program from Memorial Stadium]? Bullpen parties with Palmer, Singleton, May, Murray, Hendricks, Belanger, and some kid named Ripken. O’s magic actually meant something. I moved to Rhode Island a decade ago knee deep in New England territory — here it’s Red Sox or Yankees fan; as an O’s fan, I was treated as more of an interesting side show. My wife took me to an O’s-Red Sox game last year for our anniversary, and imagine my surprise — it was definitely an eye-opener; not the Baltimore games I remembered. I was in a sea of Red and referred to as the O’s guy since I was the only person in our section who knew anything about the team. Until management gets its head out of its ass and takes the time to grow the talent and stick with it, we’re not going anywhere. It’s depressing to watch the Red Sox and Yankees off season efforts and then see who the O’s pick up. The AL East used to be a nasty 3 way battle with the Red Sox-Yankees-Baltimore — now it’s a two horse show with the occasional surprise [thanks Rays — give us hope!!]. Sorry, had to vent, but living in New England as an O’s fan will do that to you. The local fans are definitely hard-core — no issues with that; but it does suck to go back and visit home turf and be a visitor….
by O's fan in New England on Jul 1, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting Article
Thanks for the interesting write-up. It prompted me to register so I could respond.
I had kind of wondered what Baltimore fans thought of all the Sox fans that showed up to the games. Well, actually, I pretty much figured what Baltimore fans thought, but I was pleasantly surprised by the fact that your article wasn’t an out and out condemnation. You were evenhanded and fair.
For the record, I’ve been a Sox fan since the early 1970s, am not a Masshole (we call them that up here in Maine, too) and dislike bandwagon fans just as much as the O’s fans who posted here. I have a number of acquantances who were constantly spouting “the Sox will find some way to blow it” back in 2004. A couple of them even repeated it in 2007. It irritates me now when they go on about how great the Sox are (even though I agree with them.) REAL Sox fans supported them even before 2004, win or lose.
I have never been to Camden Yards, but I can certainly see the appeal for those who do go. It’s a beautiful park that is universally acknowledged to be a great place to see a baseball game. I’ve thought now and then about trying to take in a Sox game there, but have never been to Baltimore, so it would involve more than just getting tickets and showing up. I would have to learn a lot more about the area and how to get around.
On a final note – congratulations on the comeback last night (seriously.) You did it against the best bullpen in baseball and any real baseball fan has to acknowledge that accomplishment. The Boston media covering the game noted that something like that hasn’t been done to the Sox since 1989.
by Maine Sox Fan on Jul 1, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the words
When I wrote this I was very careful about how I presented things. I wanted it to be clear that I hate it and that it’s not fun, while at the same time not being reactionary and all “they should just go back where they came from!” I do feel that way sometimes in the moment, but ultimately it is a result of the failure of this team. There will always be Red Sox fans at our park, but like I said in the post, once the Orioles are a good, strong franchise again it will be different. The tickets will be harder to come by, for one thing, and there will be a lot more O’s fans to balance it out.
It’s not the Red Sox or their fans faults; it is the Orioles fault. Obviously the individual behavior of a small segment of fans is unacceptable, but that would be the case regardless of their team allegiance.
One last thing I’ll mention is that the businesses around Baltimore have taken a real hit since the Orioles went into the crapper in the late 90s. There used to be vendors everywhere before the games, now there are less and less. Every restaurant and bar used to be filled before and after games, not anymore. One thing I am grateful for (sort of in a vacuum because when I see it my natural reaction is to be annoyed) is that these businesses are able to have a big boost when the Red Sox and Yankees come to town. It’s hard to see bars and vendors and hotels and such catering to the out of town fans, but given the alternative, what can they do?
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by Stacey on Jul 1, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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