Seriously, Dave. You're Killing Us.
I'm not going to take too long a time to write this, because it's just too disheartening.
I like Dave Trembley. I think he's a good guy. More than that, I think he generally has control of this team: the players like him, they hustle for him (for the most part), he has handled controversy well. He was asked point-blank before the game about Jamie Walker's status and he practically said out loud that Walker will be DFA'd tomorrow, instead of giving some generic BS answer. I don't personally pine for John Gibbons to run this team.
But Dave has one massive, glaring weak spot: he is obsessed with smallball bunting and hit-and-runs. OBSESSED!
This, on a team that can't run the bases worth a pile of resin. So, on a night when Nolan Reimold got picked off of first and Aubrey Huff got picked off of third, the story of the game was not the Orioles' ridiculous baserunning errors. Granted, it's clear that this team needs A LOT of work on the fundamentals in that department.
No, the story tonight was that the Orioles had four, count them, FOUR failed hit-and-runs. Two of them involved "speedster" Aubrey Huff as the lead runner.
It is often said that a manager only loses two to three games a year all by himself. Tonight, Diamond Dave did just that, wasting yet another quality start by Brad Bergesen. The Mariners won in the bottom of the ninth on a Beltre single (the guy really woke up against us) after running themselves out of about a thousand chances to take a decent lead.
It's fun to joke around when your team has lost for eleven years and it's a weeknight west coast game against a crappy team. But it sure is not fun to watch your team lose four out of five when they had just won five straight and they clearly, clearly should have had this game in the bag.
It's the kind of thing that can make the kids on the roster think the team is snakebit. Which can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. We are used to mediocrity in Baltimore, and that's not a good thing. You can damn betcha there are other towns where ineptitude on this level would be all over the news after the game.
I didn't see the presser after the game. But I hope the media tomorrow will grill Dave long and hard about his decisions. I hope he really starts to think about his in-game management. Because once the horses are there, if he keeps doing bush league stuff like this, he's going to ruin any chance this team has of becoming respectable again.
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The number of things wrong with this game
And with the team in the general over the past few days is astounding
1) Let’s start by looking beyond just this game. It is absolutely unfathomable to me that Dave doesn’t give Roberts and Markakis a day off. He somehow sits Luke freakin’ Scott two days ago, the hottest fucking hitter on the planet….and in contrast, Roberts and Markakis are completely in the shitter, and we have OK bench players who could use some more ABs (Andino and Pie), and yet they still trudge out there everyday. Naturally, I’m upset with the players themselves for their play, but give them a freaking day off. Pie has about 4 ABs in the last month and Andino, IIRC, was 4-5 in his last game. (Surely if he can play short he can play second.)
2) Moving to today’s game…reading that there were indeed 4 failed hit and runs just makes me laugh, it’s so absurd. I’ve watched other teams and you don’t see 4 hit and runs attempted in a month. To paraphrase something I read tonite on the OH (yes, occasionally there is intelligence exhibited over there): Just stand on the damn base and wait for someone to hit the ball. You’ll score more runs doing that.
How Juan Samuel still has a job is beyond me. (But then again, how Tom Trebelhorn had a job for so long boggled the mind as well.) This isn’t really about Huff’s boner at 3rd today—thats pretty much on him—but more about Samuel’s perpetual windmill tendencies. How many runners have we had thrown out at the plate this year, often not even on close plays? I mean, shouldn’t we just put a mirror out there and let the runners decide for themselves whether or not to run?
Of course, I wouldn’t be surprised if Dave likes Juan, seeing as how much he likes “aggressive” baseball—in other words, baseball that costs teams runs over the long haul. With the exception of Roberts stealing bases (and he needs to stop getting his ass picked off…or just get as far as first base to begin with, that would be nice too), this team shouldn’t be going anywhere on the bases. Starting Aubrey freakin’ Huff with a hitter not exactly afraid of the strikeout (Mora) is laughable.
3) That moves me to the next point, concerning the top of the 9th tonite – how Dave doesn’t either a) have Mora bunt, b) pinch-run for Huff, or c) BOTH! I mean, why do we even have Felix Pie on the team? Or, hell, Andino could have run for Huff. Either way, Wiggington takes his place in the line-up, obviously. You bunt Mora, Huff’s on 2nd with one out, and they either deal with Luke Scott, or they walk him and put 2 on for WIeters and Reimold. What are we worried about, Huff’s turn at bat coming up again in 2-3 innings?
There are other problems…Wieters’ DP was ugly, but I mean, come on, I’m not gonna rag on that dude. But this flaccid penis of an offense is getting old (3 runs or fewer in 9 of the last 10 games). Brian and Nick can stop sucking whenever they feel like it now. And the entire team needs to relearn the joys of taking a freaking walk (Jones and Markakis swinging at the first pitch in the first inning last night after Brian had just worked Bedard to an 8-pitch at-bat was absurd.
And it also goes back to Dave. Why does he warm up Baez tonite and then bring in Johnson? Why do we have Wiggington, if he doesn’t start against lefties? Why do we have Pie, if not for pinch-running/late game D? How in the bloody hell does Luke Scott not start two days ago? How do Roberts and Markakis not get a day off? How can we continue to bat Mora (and his 682 OPS before tonite) as high as 5th, with Scott and his plus-1000 OPS (before tonite) as low as 6th?
Sorry for the long post…had to vent
by U2boy417 on Jun 4, 2009 3:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I haven't had a chance to read any of the media yet
But I haven’t heard anyone question Dave on the baserunning miscues or the hit and run/small ball failures in the past. But I doubt they will. Every question I usually hear in his post game press conference might as well be asked by Amber (no offense to Amber, but her job is different than a reporter so you know what I mean). It’s softball city.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 4, 2009 7:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The local media likely believes in "small ball"
in the way that only hacks who have been around forever still do.
by pipkin on Jun 4, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Huff hit and runs are INFURIATING
Every time I look up he has that fat lug running somewhere. There’s probably only one guy on the team who should be playing much more than station-to-station ball. I really hate the hit-and-run.
Thank you, z. Thank you.
by pipkin on Jun 4, 2009 7:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Peter Schmuck calls out Dave on the hit and run
Everyone knows I’m generally a Dave defender, but there was a time when the hit-and-run play was employed with an element of surprise. I’ve called every single running situation tonight before it happened, because Trembley calls it virtually every time a hitter is ahead in the count with a runner on first base or runners at first and second with less than two outs.
The three straight hit-and-run situations in the ninth forced Melvin Mora to swing at every pitch. It takes the discretion away from the hitter and creates the opportunity to make two outs when a borderline pitch might get called a ball and give you two baserunners with no one out. Worse still, the Orioles do it so regularly that opposing pitchers probably know they don’t have to give in when they’re behind in the count. That’s why God made advance scouts.
Of course, he advocates sacrifice bunts instead, but at least someone is saying something. I just wonder if anyone says it to Dave?
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 4, 2009 7:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Earl Weaver weeps for his Orioles
“Team speed for Christ’s sake, you get fuckin’ goddamn little fleas on the fucking bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you, you get the big cocksuckers who can hit the fuckin’ ball out of the ballpark and you can’t make any goddamn mistakes.”
by dkdc on Jun 4, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More relevant than ever...
"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley
by duck on Jun 4, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I know that's the hagiography
But the Weaver era had its share of running and bunting, at least by guys whose names start with “B”: Belanger, Blair, Bumbry… Never a great running team, and it was probably more in the way of getting production out of players who were really around for their defense, but it was definitely part of the toolkit.
by fishoutawata on Jun 4, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trembley calls it virtually every time a hitter is ahead in the count with a runner on first base or runners at first and second with less than two outs…..Worse still, the Orioles do it so regularly that opposing pitchers probably know they don’t have to give in when they’re behind in the count. That’s why God made advance scouts.
Excellent point by Schmuck. The hit-and-run is really ineffective when the opposition knows it’s coming.
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Jun 4, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's funny how aubrey's always on base though...
i’m tired of watching him get owned out there – the play at 3rd last night was especially bad – but the whole team from roberts to markakis to mora, etc., all have blundered on bases regularly.
they need a seminar or something.
by thewaywardO on Jun 4, 2009 8:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On a positive note...
How good has our young pitching been lately!
by Johnny_S on Jun 4, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But what is it getting us?
We’re not gonna get back those two games we threw away since Saturday. This is the infuriating part – we’re suddenly good at what was our weakness (starting pitching) only to see our supposed strength (hitting) fails us when we need it most, with an assist from incomprehensible stupidty by our manager and unacceptable execution by players on the basepaths.
God, I’m mad at this team right now, and I’m not so sure I wouldn’t scream unkind things at Diamond Dave if I saw him in person. Good thing I don’t live in Oakland.
And I’ll say it – I WANTED Felix Pie on that base last night. I NEEDED Felix Pie on that base last night. No reason for Huff not to be lifted for a pinch runner in a game that tight.
"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley
by duck on Jun 4, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1000
I WANTED Felix Pie on that base last night. I NEEDED Felix Pie on that base last night.
Hell, I’ll even talk about it at parties.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
by OEutaw on Jun 4, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just toss the softballs
and watch you guys hit ’em over the wall….
:)
"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley
by duck on Jun 4, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Jun 4, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know...I was just trying to throw some positives in their
It will all come together (hopefully). I actually haven’t gotten to watch any of the last 3 games because of the late starts. So I haven’t seen any of the small ball going on (and its not quite evident in box scores or talked much about in the recaps).
by Johnny_S on Jun 4, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave is not part of the problem.
Dave IS the problem.
“Because once the horses are there, if he keeps doing bush league stuff like this, he’s going to ruin any chance this team has of becoming respectable again.”
There it is. DEAL WITH IT.
by fishoutawata on Jun 4, 2009 9:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How fucking long is Mora going to hit 5th in this pathetic excuse for a lineup???
Remember when we all thought our offense was good??? What a fucking hallucination that was – these guys are terrible!
Nobody works the count any more, there’s NO situational hitting, nobody can score the runner from 3rd with less than 2 outs. FUCK!
by O'sFan21 on Jun 4, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They aren't terrible...
They just aren’t batting smart. That and I think we all clearly think BRob and Nick need a rest.
by Johnny_S on Jun 4, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What they need is a slump buster!!
I think that’s allowed even when you’re married right????
by O'sFan21 on Jun 4, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I'm saying
is both of them were married in April, too, and nobody was complaining then.
"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley
by duck on Jun 4, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It IS good -- in potential
But it will never be good in practice until somebody puts the pieces together and start doing things right for a change.
by fishoutawata on Jun 4, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One big nit with the writeup
The O’s did not clearly have this game in the bag. With the recent hitting struggles, they clearly did not. That’s what makes giving up at least an entire innings with baserunning blunders aggravating. The O’s needed all the chances they could muster to plate some runs. The stupid aggressive play took those opportunities away.
by drj on Jun 4, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's fair.
i guess it thought that the orioles threatened a number of times and ran them selves out of it. but you’re right, the game was never in the bag.
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Jun 4, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not in the bag
but still quite winnable, with only a small amount of subcranial activity along with the physical. Especially against the Ms, who aren’t exactly a big threat to answer if you can manage a modest number of runs.
by fishoutawata on Jun 4, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted to vote for Bergesen
he pitched a very nice game but Seattle’s lineup is a farce so I gave it to Luuke.
I agree with many of the gripes in this writeup/thread. Markakis def. could use a game off, and last night was probably the time to do it.
by Dingbat Charlie on Jun 4, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Angry-angry! Grrrrrr!! And then......y-a-a-a-w-w-w-w-n-n-n-n-n. Well, I voted for Bugurglersen, for what it's worth because
he pitched swell. I sorta wanted to vote for Hwigglingggton out of sheer ecstasy over not seeing him in the line-up, but you can’t have everything. And I’m actually surprised at the small % Luuuuuuke has drawn to this point (22) considering both his input last night and his brain-bending hot streak. The guy probably lies down in bed in his hotel room and sets the sheets on fire. I hope he’s not rooming with Huff, who will get picked off or caught stealing while trying to hit the smoke alarm.
While Z’s J’accuse summary is perfectly fair, and I agree that this Wacky Hit ‘n’ Run till You Die thing spells just what you’d expect (wacky death), I still can’t get myself volcanic over it. The quote-baserunning-end quote we’ve seen over the last fortnight has been so other worldly— the stuff nightmares are made of, in fact. And reeks of 2007, which was largely a 162-game nightmare, come to think of it.
I’m still not over OUR BEST PLAYER GETTING THROWN OUT ON A WALK. I mean, if that’s ever happened before in MLB, it was probably to a NY Highlanders pinch runner not yet familiar with the rules of “base ball” or the rules of English or both. Did anybody else on that thread even freakin’ BLINK? Are we that NUMB now? Are we not men?
Poll: The Orioles baserunning coach is actually
a. Pee Wee Herman
b. Barnum N. Bailey
c. dead from the neck up
d. we have a baserunning coach?
Put otherwise, our baserunning is one big adventure brought to you by circus people who haven’t been exercising the anterior lobes of their cerebellums much lately because they don’t actually exist. Or something. Are ya with me?
OK, day off today— just try to stay off the basepaths of busy urban intersections, fellas.
Go O’s!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Jun 4, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe you got through this whole post...
…without mentioning how Trem is obsessed with pitch counts and will stop at nothing to go to whatever middle reliever is throwing cheese in the pen.
But, yeah, the baserunning has been pretty bad.
by Gary M on Jun 4, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
actually, most of our starting 5 have had a deep game recently.
and last night he left bergesen in to face beltre when everyone was calling for his head. it worked out, too, although it was incredibly nerve-wracking at the time.
It's 4 in the morning. Too much to drink. All the girls look hot. So, the Nationals are Jennifer Lopez to me. —Julian Tavarez
by zknower on Jun 4, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that Trembley, or an organizational thing, especially with Hill and the young guys?
by Mountian Goats on Jun 4, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone (stacey, iirc) posted pitch counts for our last 5 starts
None went UNDER 100, I believe.
"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley
by duck on Jun 4, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it's been good recently
I was never really down on Dave for pulling pitchers early. I think the low pitch counts earlier in the season were a result of a number of things.
1) ineffectiveness.
2) players not being as stretched out early in the season (lots of pitcher don’t go far early in the season, regardless of team)
3) return from injury (Rich Hill)
4) pitchers making debuts and Dave wanting to get them out while they were having success.
I even think that lately Dave has shown that he’s not going to yank a player too early. He let Bergy start the 9th last Friday and get out of trouble in the 7th last night. He sent Hernandez back out for the 6th the other night despite his trouble in the 5th. Guts was all over the place his last start and Dave let him do what he could.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 4, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I missed the game due to our weekly dinner with friends.
After reading Stacy’s writeup, I’m not that sorry I did. 4 failed hit and run attempts and 2 pickoffs would have driven me up the wall.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jun 4, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
zk wrote it actually
But I’m happy to take credit.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 4, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trembley's Next Move...
Maybe we can get Dave DFA?
"Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand." - Kurt Vennegut
by osfania on Jun 4, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't need that
just a lot fewer hit and run plays
"I don't have a hit-and-run sign, and I believe it's the worst play in baseball." - Earl Weaver
by duck on Jun 4, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it too early to start speculating on who's next?
Surely Andy must be seeing this stuff, too.
by fishoutawata on Jun 4, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
An interesting point, actually. I'm sure Andy doesn't watch games like, y'know, a manic Billy Beane or something, but...
I wonder if he does follow each game closely…and feel his liver gradually erode over the course of two weeks of the worst baserunning he’s ever seen.
Or does he watch games occasionally, read the box every day, talk to people when he wants to get filled in on something, like that?
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Jun 4, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"I don't have a hit-and-run sign, and I believe it's the worst play in baseball." - Earl Weaver
by duck on Jun 5, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, I know he already had a job, but

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jun 5, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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