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Diamond Dave's Lousy Lineup

On a day when we're all steaming about Dave Trembley's affinity for small ball and the hit and run, I'd like to point out another glaring weakness in our team's management this season: the lineup. First let's take a look at the starting lineups over the past week to get a legit picture of where we're at:

 

 

Star-divide

06/03/09 versus LHP Jason Vargas
1. Roberts - 2B
2. Jones -CF
3. Markakis - RF
4. Huff - 1B
5. Mora - 3B
6. Scott - DH
7. Wieters - C
8. Reimold - LF
9. Izturis - SS

06/02/09 versus LHP Erik Bedard

1. Roberts - 2B
2. Jones -CF
3. Markakis - RF
4. Huff - DH
5. Mora - 3B
6. Wigginton - DH
7. Wieters - C
8. Reimold - LF
9. Izturis - SS

06/01/09 versus LHP Jarrod Washburn

1. Roberts - 2B
2. Jones -CF
3. Markakis - RF
4. Huff - 1B
5. Mora - 3B
6. Scott - DH
7. Wieters - C
8. Reimold - LF
9. Izturis - SS

05/31/09 versus RHP Edwin Jackson

1. Roberts - 2B
2. Jones -CF
3. Markakis - RF
4. Huff - 1B
5. Wigginton - 3B
6. Scott - LF
7. Wieters - DH
8. Zaun - C
9. Andino - SS

05/30/09 versus RHP Justin Verlander

1. Roberts - 2B
2. Jones -CF
3. Markakis - RF
4. Huff - 1B
5. Mora - 3B
6. Scott - DH
7. Wieters - C
8. Reimold - LF
9. Izturis - SS


05/29/09 versus LHP Dontrelle Willis

1. Roberts - 2B
2. Jones -CF
3. Markakis - RF
4. Huff - 1B
5. Mora - 3B
6. Scott - DH
7. Wieters - C
8. Reimold - LF
9. Izturis - SS

05/28/09 versus RHP Armando Galarraga

1. Roberts - 2B
2. Jones -CF
3. Markakis - RF
4. Huff - 1B
5. Mora - 3B
6. Scott - DH
7. Reimold - LF
8. Zaun - C
9. Izturis - SS

So our basic lineup versus either LHP or RHP, when we're not giving starters rest or benchriders playing time is:

1. Roberts - 2B
2. Jones -CF
3. Markakis - RF
4. Huff - 1B
5. Mora - 3B
6. Scott - DH
7. Wieters - C
8. Reimold - LF
9. Izturis - SS

We've had this lineup in 4 of the last 7 games and in last Thursday's game, before Wieters came up, it was a nearly this except with Reimold batting 7th and Zaun 8th.  On first look at this mess, one notices a distinct, glaring, inexcusable problem:

1. What the hell is Melvin Mora doing batting 5th?

Melvin Mora is currently sporting a .677 OPS.  He's "slugging" a meager .343 and has a grand total of 2 home runs and 4 doubles this year.  This is our number 5 hitter?  In a power slot?  Is our manager fucking crazy?

2.  Instead of 2. Jones 3. Markakis, how about 2. Markakis 3. Jones?

Nick Markakis' OPS currently stands at .833, with a .474 SLG, 7 HR and 16 2B.  Respectable numbers sure, but nothing special.  Particularly when you see what else we have cooking next door.

Adam Jones has a nifty 1.002 OPS with a .603 SLG, 11 HR and 14 Two Baggers. 

It's time for a switcheroo.  Now some Camden Chatters, who apparently believe in magic or voodoo or Santa Claus or something were making the case to me in the gamethread last night that Jones had reached these superstar numbers as a result of hitting behing Robers and in front of Markakis.  I don't buy it.  One thing is that AJ obviously has much more power than Nick.  This is reason enough to move him down a notch, simply to knock more runs in off of Dongs.  Secondly, Markakis is beloved around here and all, and a fine player no doubt, but to think he's striking fear in the hearts of pitchers around the league with his demonstrated 20 homer per year prowess is exaggerating his abilities in my opinion.  Lastly we have hitters, lefty hitters, to protect Jones further down the lineup.  Including recent hot streaker...

3.  Luke Scott for Cleanup!

Sure he's streaky, but boy this current streak sure is running hot, hot, hot!!!!    But honestly either Huff or Luke hitting 4th or 5th, interchangeably is ample protection for Adam Jones.  Just no more fucking Melvin Mora in the 5 spot.  Jesus H. Christ. 

4. Wieters Needs to Earn It.

Matt Wieters should be batting 8th until he starts hitting.  At this point, Nolan Reimold has proven more than Matt Wieters in the Bigs and should hit further up than him, and Mora for that matter.  Now hopefully that will all change soon, but until then Matt the Bat should take a step down the ladder. 

 5. A Suggested Replacement:

1. Roberts - 2B
2. Markakis - RF
3. Jones - CF
4. Scott - DH
5. Huff - 1B
6. Reimold - LF
7. Mora - 3B
8. Wieters - C
9. Izturis - SS

 

There's plenty of room for debate on this to be sure.  So let's get it going!

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A few points...

*I could be convinced of Jones as 3 and Markakis as 2. Just not Jones at 5 or some such.
*Mora needs to go to at least 7.
*Wieters should be 9th based on his lack of hitting, but Izzy actually getting on base ofr the 1-2-3 of Roberts, *Markakis and Jones is too good to give up
*Reimold needs to go to 6 with Mora at 7. Just look at the difference in OPS+

………………………………………………….BA………….OBP…………SLG………….OPS…………OPS+
1….2B…..Brian Roberts#…………………..0.283……….0.352……….0.447……….0.800……….106
2….RF…..Nick Markakis*…………………..0.293……….0.358……….0.474……….0.833……….114
3….CF…..Adam Jones………………………0.345……….0.399……….0.603……….1.002……….156
4….DH…..Luke Scott* ……………………….0.323……….0.399……….0.661……….1.060……….169
5….1B…..Aubrey Huff*……………………….0.268……….0.333……….0.463……….0.797……….105
6….LF…..Nolan Reimold……………………0.279……….0.329……….0.529……….0.858……….118
7….3B…..Melvin Mora…………………………0.269……….0.333……….0.343……….0.677……….77
8….C…..Matt Wieters#………………………..0.143……….0.182……….0.286……….0.468……….19
9….SS…..Cesar Izturis#………………………0.260……….0.293……….0.327……….0.620……….61
 
*=LH, #=SWITCH HITTER
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BAL/2009.shtml

"I’m going to go out and buy pizzas for everybody, and we’re going to have a pajama party out there waiting for Wieters..." - Dave Trembley

by duck on Jun 4, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Markakis & Jones

are the new Batman & Robin. But Jonesy is looking much more like Batman this year & should be batting 3rd.

Mora can ride the effin’ pine for all I care. Pretend it’s July, Melvin. Think of the children. Just hit, fer Chrissakes.

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by OEutaw on Jun 4, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now THAT I take offense to

I cant call him Kakes but you can call him Robin? Robin, the lamest hero of all time?!

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 4, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about Butch and Sundance?

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Jun 4, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait -

 first you didn’t grow up watching Palmer & now you don’t remember Devereaux & Anderson being Batman & Robin?

BTW, the lamest hero of all time had to be Zan of the Wonder Twins. Every single time they activated their Wonder Twin powers, he turned into a bunch of ice cubes or a bucket of water or a moist sponge. Dude was freaking worthless.

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by OEutaw on Jun 4, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was 2 the last time Palmer suited up for the O's

I remember Deveraux and Brady well, but I didnt like it back then either. Robin is lame.

And ok, there are lamer heros, but Robin is by far the worst “mainstream” hero. I mena, the wondertwins were lame, but they were supposed to be. It was a cartoon. Batman and Robin was way more than a TV show, and Robin has always sucked.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 4, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and hey

why can’t I reuse “Kakes” but you can reuse Batman and Robin? That’s messed up.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 4, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Twofold:

1. I only used it once.
2. I was kidding.
C. Devereaux & Anderson’s nicknames didn’t stick beyond a couple seasons.
Lastly, neither of them are HOFers.

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by OEutaw on Jun 4, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about

Moose? They were both O’s. Were you opposed to using Moose for Mussina?

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 4, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

Robin was in that cartoon & he even sucked then.

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by OEutaw on Jun 4, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree 100%!

The Orioles need something to spark their slumping offense. A shakeup in the lineup is long overdue. I especially agree with your comment on Wieters. Prior to his debut last Friday, I figured that he would bat 8th behind Reimold, not 7th. Nolan has earned his spot in the lineup. Perhaps Trembley got caught up in the hype much like the rest of us and figured that Wieters should bat higher in the lineup.

BK

by BKsportstake on Jun 4, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One of the arguments

for Jones batting 2nd and Markakis batting 3rd is that Jones sees more fastballs hitting in front of Markakis. I understand the logic, and perhaps at the beginning of the year it was true, and I love Nicky, but I agree with JP they should be switched as well.

Reasoning: Nick is in the midst of one of the worst slumps of his career. He’s shown a few signs of life but is still not the Nick that we all know and love. Adam Jones is one of the few players who’s monster performance in April hasn’t been followed by a massive drop off in May. In April his OPS was 1.062 in April and .960 in May, and his power numbers went up. Switching Nick and Adam right now makes sense for the reasons JP suggests, but also because now NICK will be the one seeing better pitches so pitchers won’t have to face Adam. Plus, generally Nick takes a LOT of walks (not so much this past month). Once he gets back into his groove Adam will have him and Brian on when he comes up. Finally, there is the mental aspect. We can’t know for sure, but I’d imagine Nick isn’t feeling too confident right now. He has less ABs in his career in the #2 spot, but has always had better numbers. Maybe a switch up could help kick him into gear.

Another benefit to moving Nick to 2nd is the L/R split thing. Whether or not you care about that, Dave does. Swapping Adam and Nick allows Melvin to be moved down in the roster, as previously he was breaking up the 2 lefties of Nick, Huff, and Scott.

Overall, I don’t think batting orders make much difference. They make some difference, but it’s not something to get worked up about. I think it’s mostly common sense.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jun 4, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think we should switch Adam and Nick

For one, it’s a solution not involving Melvin Mora that will split up our lefties.

And two, any protection Jones was getting from Roberts being on base at the beginning of the year he’s not getting right now. Adam has learned how to hit a breaking ball, I’d just prefer to see him getting a lot more fastballs.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Jun 5, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

Especially to moving Mora & Weiters down and Scott & Reimold up. Nolan has done this well down in the hole, imagine if he actually got something to hit. I don’t honestly think switching AJ and Nicky will do much, but it can’t hurt.

But caution: this is would be an improvement, a nice tweak, but not the critical fix.

by fishoutawata on Jun 4, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was never a fan

of kakes in the 2 hole, but its making a case for itself quickly. I think I like your lineup, with the exception that i’d switch Wieters and Mora. I know numbers right now contradict the move, but the kid is gonna have to turn it around at some point and (not that I care THAT much about this kinda stuff) it would keep us from having 2 lefties followed by 2 righties.

I know he’s a WS hero and all, but in a lineup with this much potential and awesomeness, there’s no reason Mora can’t be in the 8 hole.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 4, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Its from part of his name

I dont care if Jim Palmer was cakes because he ate pancakes. Frankly, I didnt grow up watching Jim Palmer. People call Tomlinson “LT” all the time. It sucks, but whatever. I’d call him honeybear, but that takes longer to type, as does Markickass (and thats reserved for special events).

And about the bobblehead… is it the one with Earl? If not, i’ll totally take a slap with it as long as I can keep it.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 4, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone needs to visit Cooperstown.

Maybe then you’ll stop giving our HOFer’s nicknames away to slumping right fielders with a scant three seasons under his belt. Nyaah.

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by OEutaw on Jun 4, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ive been there quite a few times

It isnt the same. One is because of pancakes, one is kakes as in part of his name. Both are/were great players. It isn’t meant to take anything away from Palmer. I doubt he really cares. I really dont see why this is an issue. Personally, Lawrence Taylor is one of my favorite players of all time and I have to see the new “LT” get called that all the time. I deal with it (even though in my opinion it’s worse because he’s on a different team). Yes, multiple people get similar nicknames. It happens. Its been 25 years since Palmer has played. It’ll be ok, I swear.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 4, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like Pudge

Fisk and Ivan Rodriguez. World keep on turnin’.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Jun 4, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except

they played for different teams. Que sera, sera.

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by OEutaw on Jun 4, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so...

mike mussin shouldn’t have been “moose” b/c of moose milligan?

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Jun 4, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

just posted the same thing up a few comments

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 4, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i noticed!

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Jun 4, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus Christ.

Milligan’s nickname was actually Moose.
Mussina’s nickname was also actually Moose in addition to being part of his name.

Markakis’s nickname is “Nicky”.
“Kakes” isn’t part of his name, either – it’s “KakIS”.

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by OEutaw on Jun 4, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There WILL be a quiz later...

"I don't have a hit-and-run sign, and I believe it's the worst play in baseball." - Earl Weaver

by duck on Jun 4, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but the quiz will NOT be televised.

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Jun 4, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moose isnt part of Mussina's name

It’s Muss. Just like Kakes isnt part of Markakis. Its -kakis. They are phonetic spellings of parts of their names. Its the same thing.

I’m tired of this argument. Can you just let me use the nickname? If Jim Palmer really cares i’ll totally stop.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 4, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is such a funny little argument.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jun 4, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you laugh at every conversation I have

well, this is the 2nd one, but still. this is serious stuff people.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 4, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry

that I think you’re so silly.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jun 4, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When else did I laugh at you?

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jun 4, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

something about Birdland

Dayd and I were talking about the rules or something. It was a very serious discussion.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 4, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ahahahahahahahahahahaha! You crack up funny bone again, Dave! Now, we go to secret hideout in volcano and me and Robin, we keel you.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jun 5, 2009 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can take Robin

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 5, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yes

I remember now. It was a very, very serious conversation about what it means to be Most Birdland Player. That was a hoot.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jun 5, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The difference is...

you pronounce “Mussina” as “Moose-ina”. You don’t pronounce “Markakis” as “Mar-cakes”.

But, hey, if you want to be completely unoriginal & inaccurate, go right ahead.

…but I warned you about the bobblehead. Muahahahahaaaa!

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by OEutaw on Jun 5, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moose-ina is a regional pronunciation

from PA, hence the nickname. Its actually supposed to be pronounced Muss (like fuss) ina, like its spelled. So there. And I have a rather decent bobblehead collection to defend myself with, so you just bring it on.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 5, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you want

you can borrow my Eddie Murray bobblehead for the fight. It’s badass.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jun 5, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alright!

I have Stacey on my side! I’ve got the black and the white Brian Roberts bobbleheads. I figure nothing trums their power in a fight. Young and old Cal, Palmer and Weaver, and KAKES are backing them up. Its gonna be a bloodbath of bobblehead slapping.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 5, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Conine in a O's uni?

Sweet.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 5, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mar-KAKE-is

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Jun 7, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

When there’s a better nickname out there than “Nicky” I’ll stop calling him Kakes.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Jun 4, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lineup shmineup..

They’re just slumping. They’ll all heat up again.

by Y Not on Jun 4, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

True.

But that’s no reason to abandon logic when filling out the lineup card.

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by OEutaw on Jun 4, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree completely with nick and adam switching

Batting orders make a HUGE difference
nick is the prototypical 2 hitter – sees a lot of pitches, left handed can pull groundballs into right to create first and third – George Brett hit 2nd when nick’s age
adam should be third – can hit anypitch anywhere, has power and speed, huge upside
I’d personally go with Huff, Scott, Mora, Weiters, Reimold and Izturis, mainly to avoid having too many left or right in a row, but certainly can see the logic of some of the other suggestions….
But at a minimum, Markakis and Jones need to flip, and Scott and Mora need to flip.
Trembley is kind of a goofball – this is long overdue!

by albaman on Jun 4, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

actually...

folks far hipper to sabrmetrics than me will tell you that lineup structure makes very little difference in outcomes.

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Jun 4, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's why

hipsters are going out of style.

by Jonny Pops on Jun 4, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

who knew?

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Jun 4, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Guys are getting pied Dave Trembley can't explain it

by WestcoastO'sFan on Jun 5, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still offended

By the fact that Dave sat Luke two days ago against Bedard.

Let’s not even get into the absurdity of this “sit Luke against most lefties” attitude this team has, for reasons passing understanding (Luke’s career OPS vs lefties: 829; vs righties: 883 – huge difference huh?).

But sitting him in the midst of such an absurd hot streak?? For Ty freakin’ Wiggington? So illogical that it’s mind-boggling. So Dave doesn’t use his bench when he should (PR for Huff last night, giving Roberts/Markakis a day off, etc) and yet does when it comes to sitting our hottest hitter. Wow.

Oh yeah, and I agree with the lineup suggestions. Our best hitters are hitting 2 and 6…how absurd.

by U2boy417 on Jun 4, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll bite

Reasonable Lineups don’t really add much in comparison to each other (we’re talking about an ideal lineup giving you an extra win over the course of a season). That said, it’s certainly worth getting it right. So let’s look at each of your points here:

1) Melvin Mora

This is where the reasonable part seems to leave the equation. I have no idea why Mora isn’t in the 7 or 8 hole. None. And it is ridiculous that he’s batted cleanup for the Orioles this year!

2) Adam Jones and Nick Markakis

I don’t buy it. How many of the Orioles’ 54 games so far have there been where the number of plate appearances between the 2 hole and the 3 hole are different? I’m not going to look it up, but we can assume it’s very, very few, right? Discounting the 6 games Jones didn’t play in, Nick has 1 more PA than Jones. The difference between these spots is meaningless and artificial. Markakis is in a slump. Before the slump everyone was raving about the awesome 1-2-3 hitters, and when Nick and Brian’s slumps end (and the Orioles start, not coincidentally winning again), we can go right back to raving about it.

3) Luke Scott

Fuck yeah. I was shocked to learn that Luke has an OPS+ of 169. That’s ungodly. His splits against lefties are all out of whack, and probably won’t last another month, but at least against right handed pitchers there is ZERO excuse for not putting this goofy, tree chopping, home run hitting monster at #4.

4) Matt Wieters

I’m not going to get upset about the difference between an 8 and 7 hitter, but why does Wieters get a free pass over Izturis? Izturis is hitting way better than the Deity.

So, wrapping up, I’d be happy if at least Mora and Scott were switched, but would be 100% happy if Mora were bottom three, Scott were #4, and we were talking about something that matters a little bit more than lineups. Like the hit and run, or John Gibbons qualifications as Trembley’s replacement (replacement level manager?)

Lotta people go through life doing things badly. Racing's important to men who do it well. When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.

by Andrew @ TLC on Jun 4, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you almost sound like

you’re serious about Gibbons. That scares me. also, great use of John Gibbons (if it isn’t really serious).

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 4, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Relax

I want no part of John Gibbons. Nor, I expect, do his players.

Lotta people go through life doing things badly. Racing's important to men who do it well. When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.

by Andrew @ TLC on Jun 5, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not going to get upset about the difference between an 8 and 7 hitter, but why does Wieters get a free pass over Izturis? Izturis is hitting way better than the Deity.

I think that probably has more to do with wrapping around back to the top of the order. Once you get to izturis you basically have a second leadoff hitter in front of roberts.

by kba26 on Jun 5, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. Roberts – 2B
2. Markakis – RF
3. Jones – CF
4. Scott – DH
5. Huff – 1B
6. Reimold – LF
7. Mora – 3B
8. Wieters – C
9. Izturis – SS

Flip Scott and Huff and I’ll agree.

Although Luke has been slugging lately, he will likely tank in the near future, so instead of reshuffling the meat of your lineup every time a player hits a slump and/or heats up, just put the proven and superior batter in Aubrey ahead of Luke.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jun 5, 2009 5:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

y'all need to chiiiillllll...

You don’t have to do anything to our lineup because Roberts, Markakis, Jones, Huff, and Weiters are all .300+ hitters just in a little slump .. and when they’re out of it they will destroy the AL. Scott, Reimold, Mora will also put up solid numbers. And Izturis will not strikeout.

Exciting time for us. Just get ready because they’re gonna start crushing the ball soon. I’m waiting for that one or two games against a lousy pitcher that just gets them started…

by Y Not on Jun 5, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

were you drunk...

…..when you posted this?

by Jonny Pops on Jun 5, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Naaah...

Just sounds like micromanaging. I’m optimistic because this is the best lineup we’ve put up in years. Far as the hit-and-runs and all the other stuff, that’s another story all together. But I’d bet anything that this lineup puts up some serious numbers in a month or so.

by Y Not on Jun 5, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not micromanaging.

It’s managing. If decisions are so unimportant, why do anything at all? It’ll just work itself out, right?

by Jonny Pops on Jun 5, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if all the guys were hitting like they're capable of..

this wouldn’t even be an issue. Even if he flips around a few guys, and they’re still struggling at the plate, then we’d have half of camden chat asking for the current lineup as the answer to our problems. Isn’t that how it usually works?

by Y Not on Jun 5, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

Nobody ever asks for a guy slugging .343 to hit in the 5 spot. Not even on Camden Chat.

Typically people, and managers especially, try to optimize the talent they have and form the best lineup possible. Except on the Orioles for some reason.

by Jonny Pops on Jun 5, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You did see who the Mariners were batting cleanup Monday, right?

It ain’t just us.

"I don't have a hit-and-run sign, and I believe it's the worst play in baseball." - Earl Weaver

by duck on Jun 5, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Goddamn

Well, at least this proves, to me at least, that misery does not love company.

by Jonny Pops on Jun 5, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few points....
Roberts, Markakis, Jones, Huff, and Weiters are all .300+ hitters just in a little slump

Brian Roberts: 9 seasons, has batted .300 or better ONE TIME.
Adam Jones: 3 seasons, hasn’t batted .300 for a full season yet. I fully expect that to change this year.
Nick Markakis: 4 seasons, has batted .300 or better in 2 of them.
Aubrey Huff: 10 seasons, has batted .300 or better in 3 of them.
Matt Wieters: Insufficient data available

So to say they are ALL .300+ hitters is stretching the truth a tad.

"I don't have a hit-and-run sign, and I believe it's the worst play in baseball." - Earl Weaver

by duck on Jun 5, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

I was posting in a jokingly over-enthusiastic manner, and I’m aware of the basic career stats of all these guys.

That being said, I think the optimism regarding our offense will be validated soon. This is the lineup we were all hoping for, and now we got it. Switching around a couple guys here and there won’t do jack.

by Y Not on Jun 5, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew you were kidding

when you called Wieters a .300+ hitter. We ALL know he will be a .997+ hitter.

"I don't have a hit-and-run sign, and I believe it's the worst play in baseball." - Earl Weaver

by duck on Jun 5, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

matt

is a 1.500 hitter

Guys are getting pied Dave Trembley can't explain it

by WestcoastO'sFan on Jun 5, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Y Not is the opposite of Sickuvitall

I mean, just look at the names.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 5, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This kind of posting...

is the kind of thing that will put Trembley on the hot seat. Good! Young talent, high anticipation, lose 2 of 3 to Seattle…………..the grumbling starts now. I want a manger who is aggressive, not a gut who fills out a lineup card and just sits back. This isn’t the ‘78 Yankees, and Dave isn’t Bob Lemon. This squad needs to attack, and steal bases. We have a lot of things going for us, now. I think we’re strong up the middle, and guys are hitting for high averages. Why is there never any talk about us picking up bullpen help, the thing we really need?

by Wolfpack2009 on Jun 5, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I seriously doubt Dave Trembley's job status depends on what bloggers say

And as for an aggressive manager? That’s what we have, and we’re -15 runs on the bases due to having an aggressive manager. We would be, most likely, at .500 if Dave just filled out the damn lineup card and worried about when to change pitchers.

As for bullpen help, as the next wave of pitching arrives, the best 5 will go to the rotation, and a few who are currently starters may find their roles changing. And if we let go of Jamie Walker and plug in a useful pitcher, our bullpen is actually not that bad now that we have starters who get into the 7th consistently. No team will have a good bullpen with starters who go 5.2 IP each start.

"I don't have a hit-and-run sign, and I believe it's the worst play in baseball." - Earl Weaver

by duck on Jun 5, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bullpen

outside oy Walker and Albers at the moment, its pretty solid. Bass has been better than I expected, and Baez has been amazing. JJ is still solid and Sherrill looks like a pitcher reborn. I agree that long term bullpen help is always worth keeping an eye out for, but free agent bullpen guys are just way too unpredictable. Duck is right. Lets see who wins starting positions and then we might just get to see a bunch of guys catching on in new roles (Koji, Hernandez, etc)

And yea, I think everyone has been on Trembley for doing too much, not for “sitting back”.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 5, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is the fagile nature of the pen, no?

walker’s looked okay in isolated moments, coversely, albers, bass, johnson and sherrill have looked like donkey shit on several occasions. it actually boggles the mind to say that (as far as i recall), baez has been the most consistent high performer this tear.

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Jun 5, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im just wondering

when are we gonna get rid of Melvin. He is 37 and has his worst OPS ever. I mean obviously he had a great second half last year, so he should be given some time. But we need to move up someone like Reimold who could hit 5th in the future or Luke Scott. Because Im not sure when his contract runs out, but after that he is done.

Guys are getting pied Dave Trembley can't explain it

by WestcoastO'sFan on Jun 5, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

when we have a replacement

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 5, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Outside pitch tells us

THe second best third baseman we’ve ever had. And Ring of Fame.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Jun 7, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll still take Doug DeCinces

no matter what the numbers say.

"I don't have a hit-and-run sign, and I believe it's the worst play in baseball." - Earl Weaver

by duck on Jun 7, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

think lefty/righty

izturis, huff, and markakis are the hitters who have the biggest differentials between facing lefties and righties so why not just adjust the lineup according to that.
vs rhp.
1. Roberts
2. Jones
3. Markakis (has equal power to jones against righties)
4. Huff
5. Scott
6. Reimold
7. Mora
8. Wieters
9. Izturis

vs. lhp
1. Roberts
2. Izturis (is hitting nearly .400 against lefties and has for his career)
3. Jones
4. Scott (while he’s hot)
5. Huff
6. Reimold
7. Mora
8. Markakis (probably wouldnt ever be dropped this far but reimold is doing well and mora has always done better against lefties)
9. Wieters

by osfan08 on Jun 5, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that lineup against lefties

would be reason to fire Dave on the spot, if for no other reason than public perception.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 5, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mora at 8

i meant to switch have mora at 8 and markakis at 7 but dont think markakis at 8 would make them any worse anyway. but since when should public perception stop a manager from giving his team the best chance to win?

by osfan08 on Jun 5, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Markakis at 2, Izturis at 9

Izturis is doing well this season vs. lhp but Markakis has a career avg. of .282 vs lhp and Izturis sits at .278. Plus Markakis has more power. So put Izturis at the bottom and move Wieters up to 8 and it looks okay.

by missinripken on Jun 5, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it shouldnt

I dont think putting Markakis at the bottom of the order would give the team the best chance to win. I also think it would look rediculous to everyone, seeing how he’s still arguably the best player on the team.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 5, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Markakis at 8????????????

What are you people? On dope?

"I don't have a hit-and-run sign, and I believe it's the worst play in baseball." - Earl Weaver

by duck on Jun 5, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

aw, now i have to...

“we left this england place b/c it was bogus. if we don’t get some cool rules of our own…pronto, then we’ll be bogus, too!”

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Jun 6, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still think

it is one of Sean Penn’s top 3 acting roles. Knowing what we know now about Sean Penn and how good he is as an actor, isn’t he about the LAST person you would think to do this role?

"I don't have a hit-and-run sign, and I believe it's the worst play in baseball." - Earl Weaver

by duck on Jun 6, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was young, he needed the money...

i don’t know. having seen a bunch of movies w/ stoner, dudebro comic relief characters, i feel pretty comfortable saying that his turn as spicoli is among the best, if not THE best.

…but yeah, he does seem to have evolved into sort of a humorless shit.

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Jun 6, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He should get a retroactive Oscar win for Spicoli....

"I don't have a hit-and-run sign, and I believe it's the worst play in baseball." - Earl Weaver

by duck on Jun 6, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is we have a superstitious manager who’s afraid to disrupt the universe’s karma by making changes in the line up. Charging bulls couldn’t get Trembley to move Mora out of the 5 hole.The other problem is the lapdog Balto media who suck everything Trembley and McPhail says as gospel.
Izturiz has been in the hospital since last night and they knew they would have to DL him and here it is 3PM ad they haven’t made a freaking roster move yet. Why is this team’s “management” so gotdamn slow at doing the simplest things> Does McPhail have to get a round of golf in before making the most obvious roster moves?

The top 3 in the line up were producing early because they were patient, now they’re up there hacking away to get the game over with. They rushed Wieters up for no freakin reason and maybe he’s ruined for life. This after the grand puba announcement that they wern’t going to rush players. The people that sleep in thier McPhail and Trembley pajamas need to get a clue, they’ll never win with these two content to lose clowns running the show.

by TheThumper on Jun 6, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Totally

MacPhail SUCKS. Everything is horrible.

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Jun 6, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh, yeah...

calm down, have some dip.

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Jun 6, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, he's right

Everything that’s ever been wrong with the Orioles is Andy’s fault. Including the Glenn Davis trade.

John Gibbons wouldn’t put up with this shit. He’d walk into Andy’s office and PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE!

"I don't have a hit-and-run sign, and I believe it's the worst play in baseball." - Earl Weaver

by duck on Jun 6, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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