Red Sox 6, Orioles 5: A taste of our own medicine
Normally when a team loses you can find a number of places to put the blame. An error, a wild pitch, a base running mistake, a home run following a walk, each contributing a little something. A lot of losses are team efforts, just like wins. This one was not. This loss is placed squarely on the shoulders of Jim Johnson and George Sherrill. Two of the Orioles most reliable relievers were completely ineffective today. They blew a four run lead, ruined a gem by Brad Bergesen, and wasted a rare ineffective outing by Josh Beckett.
As Orioles fans we are used to losses, but the ones like this sting a little bit more. The Orioles were building some momentum and on the verge of taking a series from the best team in baseball before heading off to a tough west coast road trip. What a letdown.
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I put a bit of blame on Dave too
He should have given Berg a chance to close out. I was watching online so I can’t say how he looked in the 8th, but he only had 107 pitches I think. I believe this game would have had a different outcome…shoulda, coulda, woulda.
I have a feeling this may be our first unanimous MBP. Although, Ripken did not get 100% vote into the HoF so we shall see.
by Johnny_S on Jul 1, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would have liked to have seen him at least start the 9th..
but that’s mainly been a reaction to Mother’s Day 2007. It’s kind of a default value now. Assume the starter can continue until proven otherwise.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 1, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's interesting
Maybe Johnson would’ve been better if Bergesen had started the inning and let the first two runners on base. That way he can concentrate on getting hitters out, rather than having the long leash of a fresh inning and a decent lead :-|
by glasgow on Jul 1, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mind the decision to sub in a new pitcher
But for whatever reason I thought it was a good spot for Ray or Baez. While Johnson is pretty good, for some reason I don’t have full confidence in him when he’s facing quality hitters (like Littleboia and Youkilis).
by glasgow on Jul 1, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll disagree there
JJ was the guy I wanted in if Bergesen didn’t pitch the 9th. Hadn’t pitched in a few days, has a great sinker, I didn’t want to see any fly balls.
It just didn’t work.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 1, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
idk
For all of his talents, I’m not sold on JJ as a big game pitcher, and that was well before last night. Ray has been a closer (“the guy”) and can deal with pressure situations better. I mean what scarier than a dude with a two syllable full name throwing 90+ heat?
by glasgow on Jul 1, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"90+ heat" is not biggie
to quality MLB hitters when you leave stuff out over the plate, and Ray has been doing that rather much. Overall, JJ has been a lot more reliable. I’d chalk this one up to “sh&t happens”.
by fishoutawata on Jul 1, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
chris ray is not a big game pitcher
….he can’t even get the marlins out
by twistedlogic on Jul 2, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely.
its a game of percentages. None of those percentages are 100% though. JJ should have had it, just didn’t.
1933 was a bad year
by Senatorrosewater on Jul 2, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't really fault Dave
I wanted to Bergy to face one more batter just so he could get pulled mid-inning, but there is no reason to think that your two best relievers can’t hold down a 4 run lead for 1 inning.
It wasn’t a bad baseball move at all, it just didn’t work out.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 2, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Growning Pains™
If this is what Learning How To Win is, then goddamn is it gonna be painful.
by glasgow on Jul 1, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Dave made the right decision...
we had a 4-run lead…and bringing in our two BEST pitchers doesn’t seem to be a bad decision. The fact is we did everything right untill the 9th. Something about 4 walks in the inning seems bad. Besides Sherill had Varitek struck out (the home-plate umpire even had him K’d), but Nooo…Varitek the effing cheater that he is (see invisible HBP) asked down at first base…which was probably one of those freakin’ umps from yesterday or Monday. On that note the Umpire today was surprisingly better…a few spotty calls, but much better!
Berg was awesome today…anyone still think he can’t be a No. 3 pitcher on a good pitching team…everything about him is good pitching…remarkably consistent.
by Tetris on Jul 1, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would say
he pulled out our best pitcher and put in the 2nd and 3rd best
by Johnny_S on Jul 1, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough...
…I was thinking about that when I posted
by Tetris on Jul 1, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Atleast keep our hottest pitcher in the ninth, and let him try to earn the complete game. If he let’s two on right away, then pull the plug.
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by Afghanistan Steve on Jul 2, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was the best of games, it was the worst of games
It’s really a damn shame we couldn’t go out west with some serious momentum. But, I guess that’s what we’re in for with these 2009 Orioles. Flashes of brilliance to give us hope for the future followed by cruel letdowns back into reality.
Still feels pretty good about last night. It just feels really shitty about today too. What a rollercoaster ride.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 1, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
" Flashes of brilliance to give us hope for the future followed by cruel letdowns back into reality"
I thought we non-tendered Daniel Cabrera….
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 1, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a fair point
But I think that comeback on Tuesday would be more like if D-Cab threw a perfect game, only to go back to his usual self. He never gave us that much of a high. By the same token his lows were a lot lower than yesterday’s game. Painful as it was, it happens. I mean, at least we can still feel good about Bergesen shutting down the Sox.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 2, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 hitter against MFY was pretty damn good
We kept waiting to see that Danny again, and sadly, he never re-appeared.
I loved it when he wore glasses for a few starts, though. That looked awesome.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 2, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
looks like somebody had to be different
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 1, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm feeling pretty positive today...
so in my opinion this loss is actually a win because we have Bergeson on our team.
What up?
by snakethejake on Jul 1, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shame on you, Stacey
It should have been Bergesen or no one.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 1, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There have to be options
Otherwise I’d be a dictator. Bergy will win in a landslide. I have faith in the citizens of Birdland.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jul 1, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A dictator we would all bow down to.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jul 2, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO commments about the unpires?
Sherrill had like two strike threes that were called checked balls.
Everyone in my section was upset, and our usher too. It was absolute horseshit. Even 70 year old Boston fan said it wasn’t a good call.
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by the fix is in on Jul 1, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We were rather pissed about it in the game thread
The fact that we went on to lose in extra innings just took more of the immediate, post-game anger, I think. I know at least me and getxstoked were pretty adamant that Varitek swung on that full-count pitch and the ball may have been a strike without a swing anyway. He went around and didn’t get rung up. The game was over there.
Ugh. This crew was horrible. No matter what base they were at. Home plate was bad all three games. The shit with Pie in the first inning was ridiculous. Now I’m getting pissed again. Fuck umpires, but fuck the Red Sox more.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Jul 1, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to Boston South Ya'll or....
little Fenway Park I should say. Losing the way we did yesterday upsets me, but being that I was there and there was a boat load of Sux fans there now that really perturbs me….. I have been to, hmmm let me see something like 15 Stadiums across this great country and I have never seen a stadium loaded with a visiting teams fans before like I have at the Yards. Does that bother anyone else??? For the game Brad B. looked great, bad choice in yanking him, let him go until it looks as if he’s outta gas, over management in this case.
by F4PhantomPhreak on Jul 2, 2009 1:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bothers me
I live in Jersey and will no longer go to O’s game at Camden when the Yankees are visiting. I’m trying to get away from these hecklers when I go to Baltimore, and it’s disturbing to see so many enemy shirts and hats, especially the hated Yankees. I was in Balto on Tuesday and the city was crawling with Sox fans. While it may show that the Inner Harbor area is a great vacation getaway for nearby cities, enough is enough. Angelos needs to find a few more good players so the O’s fans will recover their own turf.
by JerseyO'sFan on Jul 2, 2009 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angelos needs to find a few more good players so the O’s fans will recover their own turf.
They are on their way…by the names of Arrieta, Tillman, and Matusz
by Johnny_S on Jul 2, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen some people upset about DD's pitching decisions
But what about the hitting situations late in the game? Personally, I would have felt a lot more comfortable with Wieters or Jones coming in late to pinch hit for some of our less reliable bats. Granted Wieters hasn’t proven himself reliable on this level yet, and AJ is slumping and slightly banged up…I still would’ve rather seen them up late in the game.
by VB O's Guy on Jul 2, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree
but i’m def not complaining about him pulling bergy for JJ. thats the point of the setup guy and JJ has been pretty solid all year. plus bergesen had 107-ish pitches
by twistedlogic on Jul 2, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s relatively obvious…

Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Jul 2, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont know
the poll seemed pretty inconclusive to me.
i demand a recount
by twistedlogic on Jul 2, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with Trembley's pitching moves.
He put the guys in the situations they should be pitching in. They just didn’t perform. You can’t always go blaming the manager. If he had kept Bergesen in and he had gotten knocked around everybody would be second-guessing that too. I thought it was the right decision and the players just have to perform.
by O'sFan21 on Jul 2, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I mean, if the O’s can come back and win 11-10 after being down 10-1, shit can happen the other way too. Trembley did the right thing, IMO – it’s not like this was Jamie Walker with the game on the line. Sometimes even your horses let you down.
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by NHZ on Jul 2, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eeeyup.
That’s how the cookie crumbles. Figure it this way: if all we had to worry about was the occasional breakdown in late-inning pitching by guys like JJ & Georgie, we’d be, like, 30 games over .500. When the more fundamental issues have been addressed, the occasional loss even when you do stuff right will be ok. I guarantee that the citizens of PHN didn’t get their shorts all in a knot over their loss the other night—it sucks for them, but they know they’ll come back and win their share, cuz that’s what good teams do.
by fishoutawata on Jul 2, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the difference between this and MDM
As soon as Guts came out and Baez went in, EVERYONE knew what was going to happen. I was screaming at my radio driving back to Salisbury, because I just KNEW Baez was going give away the game. Which he did, with some help from Chris Ray.
When JJ came in, my first thought was, “Man, we got this shit now!”
Yeah, didn’t work out that way.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 2, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A different feeling to this let down
I had to leave and missed the collapse, so that mutes the sting of the collapse. Usually the O’s lose and you just know they will continue to suck.
But the O’s did not roll over and play dead in this series. Lester owned them, but otherwise, the O’s battled and should have won two. Get this team some decent pitching (which is percolating in the minors) and another bat and good things are brewing. I want to see them battling like this late in the year with a chance to knock the red sox out of a division title or some such. I’ll take my chances with Bergensen on the mound, and he’s one of the unheralded call ups. Just keep battling, that’s really what I want to see. Oh, along with no stupidity on the bases.
This is about as positive as I’ve felt about the team after dropping a series to the red sox.
by drj on Jul 2, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not getting swept by the Sox
is Birdland!
by fishoutawata on Jul 2, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't often get to see the O's out here in the NW.
But every time I look at Bergensen’s pitching line (and the one time I got to watch a game he was pitching) I can’t help thinking we have a real gem. I know we have to see what happens after teams start seeing him for the second and third time, but so far I’ve been rather impressed. If he’s considered to be on the low end of the Baltimore system’s pitching depth and quality, then maybe we really do have something to get excited about.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Jul 2, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seattle's seen him twice
and did WORSE the second time around.
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by duck on Jul 2, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'm rubbing off on timg
It’s Bergesen…
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Jul 2, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 E's, 1N
I like call him 3E. Reminds people how to spell his name. I forgot who at CC came up with it, but I really like it. Bergey is just too stereotypically baseball. 3E? Now that took some creativity.
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by duck on Jul 2, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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