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Will the O's collapse again this year?

When will our collapse happen? Or might for once not happen?


One thing the fact that Chris Tillman will be up any day now now gives us three pitchers (Tillman, Guts, Bergy) who we know won't have a Rich Hill like outing. Maybe even a healthy Koji Uehara could help.  And no doubt that should make a big difference in the win-loss total.

Second, some of our players are better in rest of the second half. So if you thought and Adam and Nick were good in the first half they should actually be able to get better in the rest of the second half unless the stats "lie".

Speaking of our young stars, Matt Wieters and Nolan Reimold should improve more and more with each game. And with every little thing new thing he learns his game will get better and better. I think this applies a little more for Matt because catcher is a position with a large learning curve.

And there's an "x-factor" the possible trade(s) we make. If we make a trade(s) then of course that would change the team.

Now what triumphs all of this is the fact that injuries happen. And it seems like every year someone(s) go down and the team go down with them. This is also another "x-factor" we don't really know what going to happen.

Another negative is it seems like our bullpen implodes in the second half EVERY YEAR, and if we get rid of George Sherrill that's would only add another "stick of dyanmite" for the implosion. And an imploding bullpen usally beats this

One thing the fact that Chris Tillman will be up any day now now gives us three pitchers (Tillman, Guts, Bergy) who we know won't have a Rich Hill like outing. Heck maybe even a healthy Koji Uehara could help.  And no doubt that should make a big difference in the win-loss total.

 And our bullpen is about the same as it was last year.

I have presented all the facts that give you reasons why we will and why we will not collapse, which one d o you think will happen? 

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you quoted yourself from earlier in your own fanpost

bravo

Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.

by daveh873 on Jul 23, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

-1

On my self for doing that.

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl Weaver

"The only thing Earl knows about big-league pitching is that he couldn't hit it." - Jim Palmer

"Ain't the beer cold!?!" - Chuck Thompson

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 23, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

am i the only one

who gets mildly irritated by these posts?

by twistedlogic on Jul 23, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

You have to options

Ignore, or laugh. Considering he quoted himself in his own post as the other comments say, I recommend laughter.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 23, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea

i mean, that particular post i wasnt so annoyed with, as the post os21girl was question was about the difference between football and baseball fans (im not even sure what the point was). thse posts, however, are all the same thing. will we or wont we collapse? whats the best logo? is the camden era of ballparks done? constant stream of posts that really dont mean anything

by twistedlogic on Jul 23, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what guys?

We all know how you feel. We read what you wrote before and we understand. But by bringing it into multiple posts you’re just spreading the issue.

I’ll tell you what I told O’s21girl, if you have an issue that you think demands our attention, email us. Stop talking about it all over this site because it’s 1) pissing me off, and 2) giving me a complex.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jul 23, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hearing your passion

on the subject makes me realize that you at least slightly agree with what I am saying in regards to content quality.

That said, I will stop bitching now.

by sickuvitall on Jul 23, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

This one?

It’s practically GOOD.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Jul 23, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you

can i call you fix?

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl Weaver

"The only thing Earl knows about big-league pitching is that he couldn't hit it." - Jim Palmer

"Ain't the beer cold!?!" - Chuck Thompson

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 24, 2009 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I LOLed at quoting yourself.

"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.

by LenaO on Jul 23, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Aren’t we already imploding? 1-5 since the break….

And
bq. Aren’t we already imploding? 1-5 since the break….

Haha, just pulling your leg :P

by John Stephens on Jul 23, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

all this self-quoting...

it’s like a jon spencer blues explosion record. sort of.

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Jul 23, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

me quoting myself quite funny!

"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers." - Earl Weaver

"The only thing Earl knows about big-league pitching is that he couldn't hit it." - Jim Palmer

"Ain't the beer cold!?!" - Chuck Thompson

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jul 24, 2009 6:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Can't really collapse when you're in last place

So, no, no collapse.

As for us knowing that Tillman, Bergesen and Guts won’t have Hillesque outings; not sure about that. Tillman kind of had a Hillesque start last night in Norfolk and Guts has had a few of them this year. Bad starts happen, they just seem to happen quite a bit more often for RIch Hill.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 24, 2009 7:10 AM EDT reply actions  

funny enough, one of the many "power rankings" for the MLB said for the o's:

“is another late-season collapse on its way?”

i really dont understand that considering that collapsing wouldnt be any different than status quo for this season

by twistedlogic on Jul 24, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

You honestly see no difference?

The Orioles were 5-20 in September last year. You can still finish in last place with being the most miserable, embarrassing team on the face of the earth.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jul 24, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

last place is last place

anyway you slice it, losing is losing

by twistedlogic on Jul 24, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

if you slice it longways

its a lot harder to tell. i mean, the “i” COULD be a “j” and the “g” COULD be a “q”

by twistedlogic on Jul 24, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

that'd be slicing more on a diagonal

in your example, the “j” gets sliced to an “i”, but the “g” does not become a “q”. so the knife was definitely on an angle.

June 30, 2009 — Birdland Day

by zknower on Jul 24, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea good point

if you slice it kinda right down the middle and only take the top part, all you get is the dot of the i, which could be a j or something like that

by twistedlogic on Jul 24, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

But when they're 5-20 in September...

… then I don’t even want to watch anymore. At all. I hate our end-of-season collapses, they are really hard to take as a fan. Every spring I get hopeful and unbelievably excited, and it sucks to watch us fall down to the level of “miserable” and “embarrassing” in Stacey’s words. As for this year, personally I think we could avoid the collapse and finish hovering around .500 — but I am an optimist.

by O Nina on Jul 24, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we're 2 games over .500 and in last

I can take that a lot better than finishing 4-32 like we did a few years ago.

"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail

by duck on Jul 24, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

last place is last place anyway you slice it, losing is losing

Once you factor in the draft, these long losing streaks matter. The Nats have the first pick locked down for next year. I think it’ll be between us, the Padres, and Royals for the 2nd pick. I expect the A’s, Indians, and Pirates to pull ahead of us eventually.

Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.

by birdman on Jul 24, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

so maybe its actually worth it for us to lose

I didn’t want to say it but yup (duck!).

Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.

by birdman on Jul 24, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like im obligated to never want us to lose.

That being said, I might not get that upset about it either.

by kba26 on Jul 24, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Understandable feeling...

But this team needs to learn what it’s like to actually compete in the second half. They don’t need to learn, once again, what it feels like to have a top 5 draft pick. Another collapse just perpetuates the losing culture around here some more.

And the draft is too much of a crapshoot anyway to be hoping for that.

by U2boy417 on Jul 24, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

then again if we keep losing

we’ll draft a scott boras client and he wont sign. so maybe its just better that we win. it’ll save me the trouble from breaking things anyways when i watch the games

by twistedlogic on Jul 24, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why won't he?

We’ve had pretty good luck signing the last two Boras clients we’ve drafted. The number on the check is right, and a Boras client will sign.

"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail

by duck on Jul 24, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

the prob is

the number on the check thats right for him wont be the number thats right for us. see strasburg, stephen. that guy is going to make WAYYYY more money than he deserves, considering he hasnt thrown a major league pitch. yet he’ll receive it because boras will advise him not to sign if the offer is too low

by twistedlogic on Jul 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

We signed Wieters and Arrieta

and they are both Boras clients. Arrieta was drafted in the 5th round due to signability concerns, and ended up getting low-1st round money. The O’s wrote the check.

Andy MacPhail will deal and has dealt just fine with Scott Boras.

"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail

by duck on Jul 24, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

all im sayin is these guys get overpaid with boras

strasburg is going to get his check from the natinals, but they arent going to like shelling that kinda cash out

by twistedlogic on Jul 25, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

They don't have to have a smile on their faces

when the GM cuts the check, as LONG as he cuts the check. Agents and players couldn’t care less about how the front offices feels about writing a check, as long as it cashes.

"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail

by duck on Jul 25, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll happily take Bryce Harper in exchange for perpetuating a losing culture.

Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.

by birdman on Jul 24, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

But that would be too hard even for us to pull off. The Nats are too bad

by U2boy417 on Jul 24, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe theyve learned their lesson

and wont pick him and he’ll fall to us. hes gonna be boras, you know that.

a man can dream…

Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.

by daveh873 on Jul 24, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say another collapse is imminent. Their next two days off are: August 13th, and September 3rd.

by stalkingbamby on Jul 24, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

What are you talking about?

The collapse has already happened. The Orioles are a marginal Major League team that is horrible at just about everything a baseball team is going to be good at.

Why on earth did you think otherwise?

by yurizanow on Jul 26, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

He’s talking about a different type of collapse (i.e., the late season variety). Probably a meaningless distinction for you but just trying to clear things up.

Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.

by birdman on Jul 26, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

They already have!

"Losing teams find ways to beat themselves" Jim Palmer

by Baysox39 on Jul 27, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

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