Can the O's fire Dave Trembley now, please?
by yurizanow on Jul 26, 2009 1:03 AM EDT
60 comments
I just read that the Orioles lost for the 14th time in 18 games and 1-16 in road games within their division. That seems to put them at the nadir of a pretty disappointing season even by Orioles standards.
Does this mean someone will finally get rid of Dave Trembley? I don't think that the losses are his fault or that another guy would make a huge difference, but I also don't think he's very good at his job and he'll be removed before they'll ever get any good regardless. Why not do it now and see if they can stumble upon a real manager?
I also hope this thread will restart the whole "hire John Gibbons" debate.
FanPosts are user-created content and do not necessarily reflect the views of the editors of Camden Chat or SB Nation. They might, though.
1 recs |
60 comments
Email
Print
Comments
Fire him at the end of the season
Let the new manager start with a clean slate.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
by Baltimo on Jul 26, 2009 1:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dave runs a tight ship but he’s a horrible tactician. If he’s let go, I won’t shed a tear.
Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.
by birdman on Jul 26, 2009 4:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I enjoy watching him yell, and the way his face turns red when he fights with umps and gets ejected
That’s about all I would miss.
by O Nina on Jul 26, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just afraid of who would replace him
I like Dave, he’s great for us during these rebuilding years, but he needs to get rid of some of his ideas, like the hit and run, and batting Mora 5th. If he quit doing those things, I’d be happy.
"On my tombstone just write, THE SOREST LOSER THAT EVER LIVED." -- Earl Weaver
by CoachOfEarl on Jul 26, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What annoys me is Dave's talk of the return to "Fundamental Baseball"
and see the O’s look like blind mice on the base paths….and the botched hit and runs….and the botched hit and runs….and the horrible baserunning….and the damned hit and runs.
http://www.mvn.com/oriolecentral
by Oriole on Jul 26, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo
I’d love for the fundamentals to be fundamental…these guys are paid professionals and should know basic stuff like what base to throw to, when to cut off, how many outs there are, etc.
DD earned a lot of points in my mind when he first showed up, with his fundamentals approach and his willingness to give umps the business, but he needs to get the team on the right page overall. But his formula is too formulaic and he fails to take action when a player is slumping, that I can tell anyway.
Part of the basepath problem is Juan ‘Windmill’ Samuel.
"On my tombstone just write, THE SOREST LOSER THAT EVER LIVED." -- Earl Weaver
by CoachOfEarl on Jul 27, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Part of the basepath problem is Juan ‘Windmill’ Samuel."
This.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
by Brotz13 on Jul 27, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Acta but we need a playoff experianced manager
How about Buck Showalter?
"Losing teams find ways to beat themselves" Jim Palmer
by Baysox39 on Jul 26, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
breathes
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Buck Showalter sucks ass.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
by getxstoked on Jul 26, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do we need playoff experience?
melvin mora has that and look what that gets him
by twistedlogic on Jul 26, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about former Oriole Catcher
and Tribesman Bob Melvin.
Okay, from here on out, I’m going to start the Hire Bob Melvin campaign. Everybody excited.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Jul 27, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about former Oriole catcher
and current manager of the York Revolution Chris Hoiles?
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Jul 27, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fine if we're on this catcher thing
why not buck martinez?
by twistedlogic on Jul 27, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, no.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 27, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was being facetious...
very very facetious
but now that we’re on the subject, whats the only word with all of the vowels (y not included) in order?
by twistedlogic on Jul 27, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...facetious?
What’s my prize?
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
by Brotz13 on Jul 27, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Replacement?
Who should replace Trembley? I’ll throw out two people I’m high on: Clint Hurdle and Buck Showalter.
by No More Steroids Please on Jul 26, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not Hurdle!!!!!
I’ve been to a bunch of Rockies games since I’ve been out here in the mountains and all I can say is that Clint Hurdle is poison. He had one good month in five or six years.
by Crank White on Jul 26, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus....
Look how well the Rockies are playing without him. They didn’t make any major roster moves after he left and have won over 30 games out of 40.
by Crank White on Jul 26, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bob Melvin
DBacks got rid of him. I believe he spent a little bit of time in the O’s organization as a player. He’s a solid coach. I don’t know what style of coaching he trends towards, but with the pop we are expecting to have in the lineup eventually, I’m hoping we don’t land a guy who is a proponent of hit and runs. Its ok to be aggressive on the basepaths, but that’s just an all around awful play in baseball.
by OldBay83 on Jul 26, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Billy Ripken
I know he really hasn’t been linked to anyone and may not even have any interested, but I was thinking Billy Ripken would make a real good manager. I just have a feeling he’d make a good manager one day. Plus it be kinda cool to have a coaching staff of former O’s (given that they were qualified).
by edsachs1 on Jul 26, 2009 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hope he would be a better manger then his was a player....
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
by O's21girl on Jul 26, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
O i wish you could edit posts!
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
by O's21girl on Jul 26, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Comments. Geez
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
by O's21girl on Jul 26, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Read over it before posting.
"On my tombstone just write, THE SOREST LOSER THAT EVER LIVED." -- Earl Weaver
by CoachOfEarl on Jul 27, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Preview can be your friend, too
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 27, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon now we gotta start slow
we start with the reply button. then we graduate to preview.
baby steps….baby steps……
by twistedlogic on Jul 27, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
JOHN GIBBONS
’nuf said.
"Daddy, is Hevan like BIRDLAND?"
"No son, Hevan is BIRDLAND."
by BENNY BIRDMAN on Jul 26, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah!
The Os need a macho jackass for a manager that will pick fights with players.
Wait, idea, they should hire Kid Rock! Or Stan’s dad from South Park.
Somewhere a guitar hero is shredding.
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 26, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What we need is someone who wins.
I think the front office is starting to get it… you win, you get to stay. We had a lot of pitchers who showed that they were losers, and they were all shown the door with increasingly little patience. The same should apply to a manager. Trembley is not a winner. Bob melvin and Billy Ripken are great guys, but they’re not winners either.
I’d be really happy with anyone who has a winning managerial record at AA or above.
1933 was a bad year
by Senatorrosewater on Jul 26, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DAVEY JOHNSON!
Someone had to say it.
And for the record, I think Davey Johnson is a saint but I think that boat has sailed.
http://www.mvn.com/oriolecentral
by Oriole on Jul 26, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Davey Johnson were 5-7 years younger
I’d be all for that idea.
Dude’s pushing 70.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 26, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not do it now and see if they can stumble upon a real manager?
Because there are LOTS of guys out there who are worse. Perlozzo, for example. Mazzilli.
You can’t give Dave the hook until you’ve given him some real pitching. I don’t think most of this team is under-achieving with him around. The old guys are just getting old. The young guys are having great years.
Firing the Crow, not THAT’s an idea I can get behind.
June 30, 2009 — Birdland Day
by zknower on Jul 26, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We aren't losing many games because of Trembley's managing
Yes, the hit and run with Huff at 1st and Melmo batting got old quick. But you don’t see it anymore, and not just because Huff’s never on first now.
The vast majority of the games we have lost we lost because…
A. The pitching sucked
OR
B. The bats went cold.
They’re just not that many games you can point to and say, Dave Trembley lost us that game. Now, 2007? I could point to at LEAST 6 games that Sam Perlozzo lost us in 3 months. Easily. In fact, I think I did at some point that season.
Dave? Not so much. We’re losing because we aren’t that good.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 26, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trembly doesn't deserve good pitching
His love of hit and runs and “fundamental” baseball shows that he should not be trusted with a decent team because he’ll do lots of stupid shit to make them less successful.
All of things that Earl Weaver thought were bad ideas are beloved by Dave Trembley. That says something.
Also, Somebody said earlier that Buck Showalter sucks ass. I don’t know where that guy is coming from. I would have no problem with him managing the Orioles. He’s taken two teams to the playoffs, finished with the best record in the American League during the strike season, and has kept his teams respectable to a degree no Oriole manager has since Davey Johnson. He might not be the right man for the job, but he hardly sucks ass, especially compared with the clowns who’ve managed the Orioles since Earl Weaver retired.
by yurizanow on Jul 27, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Trembley doesn't deserve good pitching"
So, the team should be punished because the manager is unworthy to you?
So, in 1983, when Weaver retired, did Joe Altobelli “deserve” Eddie Murray and Cal Ripken?
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 27, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're missing the point
Saying “hey, give Dave Trembley a chance with good pitching” is pointless. He’s a lousy manager and will remain a lousy manager even if he had a better pitching staff. He would have less of an ability to screw up the team, but his fundamental outlook would be the same and his in-game moves would still be counter-productive. Wating until he has a better team would be giving a second chance to a manager who has done little to show there is a reason to give him one.
Getting rid of Dave Trembley isn’t “punishing” the Orioles. They didn’t punish the Orioles when they got rid of Joe Altobelli and brought back Earl Weaver. They didn’t punish the Orioles when they got rid of Phil Regan and brought in Davey Johnson. Those guys weren’t any good and their post-Orioles career bears that out just as Dave Trembley’s almost certainly will.
by yurizanow on Jul 27, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the choice here is obvious.
Matt Wieters.
Hey, it worked for Bill Russell. I’m just sayin…
by VB O's Guy on Jul 27, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How awesome would it be if he were our manager and catcher? Haha. So awesome.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Jul 27, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Russell didn't manage the Dodgers until after he retired as a player
Ohh….you meant the OTHER Bill Russell. ;)
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
by Brotz13 on Jul 27, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't it be Nice
if we had another Earl “the Pearl” Weaver to come in and take over this club with all his index cards and temper…. Wow that would be fantastic, I’d even settle for another Hank “The Yank” Bauer at this present time, or Davey “the Money” Johnson for that fact! Anyway is there anyone in our single A, AA, or AAA that could be given a try, kind’ve like trembles from AA???
by F4PhantomPhreak on Jul 28, 2009 4:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait, I got it!! The ol' switcheroo: Dave goes up to the booth, and down comes...Ferd Manfraud!!
What, like he’s gonna do so much worse than Dave? And we know Dave is going to call games better than Ferd ever did— c’mon, your hamster could call games better than Ferd ever did.
Also, I’d like to say that while John Gibbons would be an outstanding choice, Euell Gibbons woud be even better. Yes, I know he’s dead.
Thank you, doctor, I feel better already.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Jul 28, 2009 8:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, I guess you have to footnote these things. Euell Gibbons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZQAdCDcU0A
And remember, Grape Nuts was part of a “natural breakfast”— kind of like tree bark, only not as tasty. And it took you a half hour longer to eat.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Jul 28, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The new Outside Pitch
with Reimold as the cover boy, has an article practically calling for Trembley’s firing. Surprised me a little, because Outside Pitch is quasi-official.
I don’t think it would be a bad idea to fire him during a losing streak, but only if Andy knows exactly who will be managing the team next year. Last night we had Izturis CS on a hit and run and Reimold getting thrown out at the plate when he shouldn’t have gone. Samuel’s faults are Trembley’s faults, because he’s in charge.
Outside Pitch made a good point: Our next manager does not have to be well-liked by the players. Respected, maybe. But the Orioles have always done good with a disagreeable manager.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Jul 28, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I dont like
the “Samuel’s faults are Trembley’s faults” thing. By that logic, Trembley’s faults are MacPhail’s faults, so lets fire him. Even further, Andy Mac’s faults are Peter Angelos’ faults, so he should quit.
Wait, i’m starting to like this line of thinking.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Jul 28, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that you can say that about individual decisions
Like, if you take one isolated incident where Samuel makes a bad decision, such as the Reimold thing the other night, that’s Samuel’s failure, not Trembley’s. But when it’s a pattern of bad decisions by Samuel that go unchecked, then it becomes Trembley’s fault. As his boss it is his job to make sure his subordinates are doing a good job and to take action if they’re not.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jul 29, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the thing is
what can Trembley really do? We arent in his office post game. He may come down hard on him when he screws up. We dont know. Its not like you can bench your 3B coach or anything. I dont think Dave supporting him in public is a bad thing either. Maybe he just isnt a good 3rd base coach. Maybe it falls on Andy to replace him.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Jul 29, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Dave should support him in public. And part of the responsibility does lie with MacPhail as well. But if I’m consistently messing up at my job and my boss is privately telling me what’s wrong with me over and over again and nothing changes, then what? It’s not my boss’ responsibility to do more because she already talked to me?
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jul 29, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im guessing your boss can fire you if need be
Dave does not have that power with Samuel. He could make a rec. to Andy I guess. I dont know what has or has not been going on behind closed doors. All I know is that you cant automatically assume that if Samuel is terrible it’s Trembley’s fault.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Jul 29, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Trembley is the on-field manager
And is in charge of everything that goes on the field. Which includes the actions of his base coaches. He has to answer to Andy, but Andy is sort of the off-field manager, if you will.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Jul 29, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its to my understanding
that the manager is not the one who makes the call on the base coaches. he might have a say in it, but hes not the one who would be firing samuel
by twistedlogic on Jul 29, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trembley is Samuels higher up
I get that. But we cant go blaming Trembley everytime Samuel makes a mistake any more than we can praise him when Samuel does well. The way I see it, either you have the instincts to be a 3B coach or you dont. I dont know how much Dave can do to make him better. It seems more like a FO decision to me. If he does well, he stays. If not, ya have to find someone that can do the job.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Jul 29, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peter Angelos is the captain
The GM is the chief mate.
The manager is the boatswain.
Everyone else is basically crew, including Samuel.
1933 was a bad year
by Senatorrosewater on Jul 29, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recent FanPosts
SBNation.com Recent Stories
GAMETHREAD SPONSOR
Certain photos copyright © 2009 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
