Which of our young pitchers will be the best?
David Hernandez's performance today and 3E's quality season to date had me thinking about the future of our rotation. To start the year I didn't think that either of those two guys would have success starting in the major leagues and I was obviously wrong so far. However, that wont stop me from speculating about how our young pitchers will perform in the future. So I am going to run through my thoughts on the usual suspects and then see how you all feel.
Brad Bergesen (3E):
He has been more than dependable for the O's so far. His ERA+ of 128 has him in contention for the AL ROY. He works fast and gets tons of groundballs and lets his defense do the work for him. His K rate isn't great by any means but an out is an out no matter how you get it. If he can be Mark Buehrle lite that will be a great player to have on the roster, anything better is gravy in my opinion. So I am still skeptical about 3E, but he has proved me wrong this far so why stop now? Although he probably needs a good defense to be successful.
David Hernandez:
A former 16th round selection who received 5th round money. Has really good stuff, as evidenced by his 10.4 K/9 in the minor leagues, but sometimes has control issues as evidenced by his 3.8 BB/9 in the minors. If he can improve his control a bit he could realize his upside as a potential TOR (top of rotation) starter. If he can not improve his control he may end up in the bullpen. Either way DH looks to have a bright future after his 7 promising starts in the major leagues so far.
Tillman was acquired in the Bedard trade after the 2007 season. Everyone knows Adam Jones was the centerpiece of that deal, but I read that some scouts thought that Tillman would be the player that the Mariners are going to really regret trading. This was not a knock on AJ, but recognition of Tillman's ability. While his 5.26 ERA at A+ ball in 2007 didn't look promising, he was the youngest player on his team and the Mariners A+ affiliate is in High Desert. His team's ERA that year was 6.44, so stats are all relative and the O's really did a good job in getting him in this deal. Since then he dominated AA in 2008 and AAA this year and supposedly we will see him in action wednesday. Baseball America ranked him as the 2nd best pitching prospect at the all star break behind only Madison Bumgarner. Some people say he may not be a true ace, but Dan Haren wasn't thought of as an ace and actually was never in Baseball America's top 100. I just do not know how the #2 pitching prospect does not project as an ace anyways. His BB/9 has improved this year from 4.3 to 2.4 from the year before and boy am I excited for wednesday.
The #4 pick in the 2008 draft and it was him or Justin Smoak. Both looking great so far. He was and still is considered very polished for his age. An analyst at BA said that neither him or Tillman "will blow you away with their stuff", but they know how to pitch and good things like that. Polish and control can be underrated and blow you away stuff can be overrated in my opinion. If he has four Major league level pitches and two of them are "plus" pitches, his stuff will be fine at the next level. You combine that with control and polish like it sounds like he could have, then he is a future ace. At this point he has dominated A+ and AA ball this year. He is my vote as the pitcher that will be the best. His 9.8 K/9 and 2.4 BB/9 are very promising to say the least.
That same BA analyst that said Tillman and Matusz don't have "blow you away stuff" said that Arrieta has the best stuff of the three. He was an over-slot pick in the same draft where the Pirates gave us Wieters. He was considered a 1st round talent going into his junior year of college and then he fell to the 5th round because of bonus demands and his poor performance in his Junior year. He handled A+ and AA ball well but his transition to AAA has been a little rough. He has been dominating (9.7 K/9 in the minors) but control (3.8 BB/9) may be an issue. BA had him as a top 50 prospect at the mid-season and he is considered a step below Matusz and Arrieta. I think he has the biggest flame-out potential of the big 3 for sure, and i'm not sold on him. I think he will be good but wont ever realize his TOR potential.
A few other guys worth mentioning are Zach Britton, Matt Hobgood, Jesse Beal and Bobby Bundy. Britton is making a case for it being the big 4 and not the big 3 with his 2.66 ERA at A+ at age 21. Hobgood was our first round pick this year but he is too far away to project at this point, but I like his character a lot. Character is something I think is underrated in prospects because if you are projecting a guy four and five years down the road you better make sure that he is dedicated to improvement and baseball. So I think we could see good things from this guy even though his first few appearances he appeared to have some jitters. Jesse Beal and Bobby Bundy are both over-slot picks from last year's draft. Bundy is still recovering from the torn ACL that dropped him from first round status but Beal is doing well at Bluefield (3.7 ERA and 0.7 BB/9 in 41.1 IP).
Ryan Berry could be this year's Jake Arrieta from the draft if we sign him, but he isn't signed so I dont feel like talking about him and this post is way longer than I intended.
To wrap this up I should mention that if Bubba Gump's mother liked baseball she would probably describe pitching prospects as a box of chocolates because you never know what you are going to get(ok it's getting late and this analogy will probably not amuse me in the morning but oh well). However, there is safety in numbers with pitching prospects and the Orioles have numbers. Injuries are always a worry with pitchers and there is only so much you can do about it (limit pitches). Feel free to correct me or add anything juicy and exciting.
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Great information
Thanks for compiling it. I don’t have the kind of knowledge it takes to really know the difference between these guys that would make them more successful, but I voted for Brian Matusz. He just seems most like a sure thing. I know that’s different from what you’re asking, but it’s what I went with.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jul 27, 2009 8:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for reading it
I spend far too much time following this stuff so I figured it was time to share and its interesting to see what everybody else is thinking about these guys.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 27, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should definitely share more often
Great read! I am like Stacey and do not know enough about that kind of stuff (she even knows a lot more than I do).
Not to add reading up on our future always gets me excited!
by Johnny_S on Jul 27, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll try
Life is kinda crazy for me at the moment because I am studying for the CPA exam and am getting ready to move and start a new job. But if something inspires me i’ll make a point to put it up.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 27, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll just say that 3E is the best nickname ever
Because now I’ll never forget how to spell his name.
by PhilR8 on Jul 27, 2009 8:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Make it 3E1N
and then you’ll get his name right. I’ve seen so many people spell it “Bergensen” it’s not funny.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 27, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never had the urge to add an N
I’ve just spelled it “Bergeson” on occasion
by PhilR8 on Jul 27, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its an easy mistake
But the nickname is practical and catchy. The best of both worlds
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 27, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Matusz.
Not to say the other guys won’t be as succesful, obviously, but I think he’ll end up being the best. He’s already being noticed, and he’s got what it takes to be one of the best pitchers in the league after he settles in.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Jul 27, 2009 9:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Britton
I was looking at Britton’s numbers last night, and a couple of things worry me — high walk rate (3.73 BB/9), and 15 unearned runs (45 R, but only 30 ER), which suggest that he hasn’t pitched quite as well as his ERA suggests. Still an intriguing prospect, and the league is hitting just .231 against him, but I wouldn’t put him up there with the big three just yet.
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Jul 27, 2009 9:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The high amount of unearned runs don't bother me
That just tells me that he’s got a lousy defense. Heck, he’d probably have a lower walk rate if his defenders weren’t extending innings with their mistakes.
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by Brotz13 on Jul 27, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if it's the minors in general
But when I look at our teams’ box scores I see what I consider a large amount of unearned runs.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jul 27, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to clarify
Britton is in High A Frederick, not AA as indicated in the thread.
And yes, Frederick (and our other affiliates) generally play poor defense. Nearly every time I check the box scores there is almost always more runs allowed than earned runs. It doesn’t help when you have defensive liabilities such as Bill Rowell botching routine plays behind you. Frederick currently has two former third basemen playing in the outfield (Rowell and Tyler Henson)…enough said.
by sickuvitall on Jul 27, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call
I corrected it in the thread.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 27, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am slightly surprised
that Britton was not promoted around the All Star break. With all the movement going on with the pitchers in the minor leagues, I was guessing he may get the call to Bowie. I am guessing age/pitching depth at the upper levels will keep him in Frederick for the remainder of the year.
by sickuvitall on Jul 27, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's true that it's not that big a deal
But some research has pointed out that runs allowed is actually a better measure of pitcher performance than earned runs, due to both the arbitrariness of scoring a play an error and the fact that runs allowed after an error that should have been the third out are not considered earned.
A 2004 Baseball Prospectus article discusses this in more detail. Key quotes:
Preventing unearned runs is a skill that pitchers have, and it usually comes hand-in-hand with the ability to prevent earned runs. … What this means is that when you throw out unearned runs, you’re throwing out part of the pitcher’s performance. In other words, ERA is understating the run prevention abilities of the best pitchers in the league, and overstating it for the worst.
Fifteen unearned runs just seems like a lot of extra runs to ignore or to attribute entirely to poor defense.
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Jul 27, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kiddie Corps Rotation
#1, Matusz will be an ace. Tillman and Bergesen will be #2 & #3 as of next spring. I’m not convinced about Arrieta or Britton, yet, but they certainly have potential. Hernandez may wind up as our closer (think Papelbon). I think Mariotti may be a good set-up man with his sinker. I’m not sure where that puts Troy Patton. Could he be a bullpen lefty? I’m also not convinced that Guthrie won’t have a stabilizing place at the back end of the rotation. Hill, Berken, Waters, etc. will only be distant memories or fillers at best.
by fuddnelson on Jul 27, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking
we might have a nice bunch of trade chips very soon to land some big bats.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Jul 27, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or a nice rotation and bullpen
Not sure AM’s going to trade any of these guys unless he’s blown away. Think he prefers to get his bats on the free agent market.
by O'sFan21 on Jul 27, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'd be much nicer to be able to buy all the bats
but the elite players dont reach the FA market all that often. If we come to the point where we truly have a surplus of pitching (meaning we are set at the ML level for the forseeable future) then i’m all for trading some of the other pitching commodities we’ve built up for the right price (which I fully trust Andy Mac to get).
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Jul 27, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are elite offensive players more regularly available in trades than they are in free agency?
by O'sFan21 on Jul 27, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone is available in a trade
if you offer the right pieces to the right team at the right time.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Jul 27, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uhhh
I guess…sort of…not really…
I’m sure we could get Pujols…
by O'sFan21 on Jul 27, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Pujols and someone else straight up for Markakis.
Nicky hasn’t reached his peak, he’ll become better than Pujols.
/sarcasm/
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Jul 27, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All im saying
is you can go after pieces you actually want with a trade, and young pitching is very valuable. With the free agent market you get to go after the best of whoever is available and often (as is the case with next year’s 3B/1B market) there’s just no one worth going for. What do you propose we do? Build up all this pitching in the minors, use what we need, and let the rest sit and lose value in the minors? There’s gonna be untapped potential as we’ve drafted/traded for a TON of pitching. It cant all be on the ML roster at once. Might as well turn some of it into something we’ll need.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Jul 29, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if you’ve noticed, but all of our pitching prospects aren’t exactly knocking on the door right now. So I wouldn’t go off trading the ones who are (since those would be the ones required to land a big bat).
by O'sFan21 on Jul 29, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I didnt say they needed to be traded “right now”. All I said is we might have a some nice trade chips soon. I went on to say that when we have everything we need at the ML level set for some time, we might as well use some of the depth we’ve built up at the MILB level to land some of the bats we want. I dont see what your problem is with that.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Jul 29, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I guess I just don't see that necessarily happening.
The likelihood of us developing a strong rotation and strong bullpen with big trade chips leftover doesn’t seem particularly high to me.
by O'sFan21 on Jul 29, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Future needs
The 2011 team will need a shortstop, a first, and a third baseman. I’d like to see them sign Beltre this offseason. That will cost them, but big hitting first basemen aren’t that hard to find, so they should be able to get one cheap. I think they should hold on to their pitching as much as possible. This team will hit in 2011. Jones, Wieters, Markakis, and Reimold will all be in their prime. Roberts will probably still be Ok. Even with all the guys coming up, pitching will still be needed in 2011. I love Matsutz, Arrieta, Tillman, and company, but realistically, the O’s will be lucky if three of the young pitchers currently in their system become successful major leaguers. The attrition rate is very high for young pitchers. Their need in 2011 will be pitching.
by uneasy rider on Jul 27, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just curious
what info do you have about Hobgood’s character?
I agree with most folks that with everything that I’ve read and seen Matusz seems to have the best shot at greatness. Being left handed is a pretty big deal that nobody has mentioned so far – I think that plus his command of 4 good pitches and a pretty good fastball (for a LHP) will make him the best of the group.
by O'sFan21 on Jul 27, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When he was drafted
I remember reading quotes from Joe Jordan and some feel good piece in the Sun about Hobgood being a high character guy and that’s one of the reasons they liked him. When I get a chance I’ll try to find them.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jul 27, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He signed quickly for slot
And he said that his reason for doing so was that he just wanted to play baseball and it wasn’t worth the extra money of holding out until the deadline. Here are a couple cool links i just found on google.:
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/wY2W6FoaEd6pcwAcxJTdpg/mitchmash—hobgoods-character-is-all-good.htm
That article is all about his character, and here is an exerpt:
“Like the rest, Jordan raved about Hobgood’s makeup.
"To be honest, what they told me they liked best about me was who I was," Hobgood said. "I don’t necessarily think I was their most talented guy on the board, but they felt confident they knew who and what they were getting."
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 27, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good article - thanks.
Not sure I trust a man who’s never been drunk, but let’s hope it works out…
by O'sFan21 on Jul 27, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you trust a man who wears a belt and suspenders? Man can’t even trust his own pants.
by PhilR8 on Jul 27, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
How do you know he’s never been drunk?
by NickMarkaces on Jul 28, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It said that in the article
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 28, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sidney Ponson
is our future ace. Hands down. End of discussion……
……boy this LSD is fun!!!!
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by Afghanistan Steve on Jul 27, 2009 12:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that isnt funny
you know, that was a thought once upon a time!
dark times those were, dark times.
by twistedlogic on Jul 27, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rodrigo Lopez
Is our future ace! He was second in ROY voting!
by uneasy rider on Jul 27, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matusz
Matusz has an above average Fastball, Slider, Curveball, and Changeup. In General Aces have a full artillery of pitches, that’s why there’s no question Matusz will be the best. With that in mind, if Tillman can develop his change more and maybe add another pitch who knows how good he can be at 21 years old.
by No More Steroids Please on Jul 27, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matusz
Saw Matusz at Bowie day, I didn’t notice him use his curve at all, and his fastball was topping out at 91, but he was dominant (except for a three walk (no run) inning where he seemed to lose his control for a sec) and was toying with the opposing hitters.
Of course, I was still dizzy from spinning beer pitcher race, so these observations might be moot.
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by arlingtonOsFan on Jul 28, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bergesen
interesting comparing him to buehrle. you base that on his extreme gb tendencies? i also look at scott erickson as a comp (though bergesen seems to have better bb/9, hr/9 rates).
it’ll be interesting to see how/if he progresses.
i think tillman will be the best.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jul 28, 2009 7:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buehrle comp
Both work fast, pitch to contact and dont have over-powering stuff. Also to this point their GB%, LD%, HR/FB% and FB% are similar and Brad’s K/BB is a little worse so far. Granted you dont have a great sample size with brad but I think 116 innings is enough to start drawing preliminary comp’s at the major league level.
The main thing that I like about the comp is that Buehrle pitches a lot of innings (consistantly over 200) because of the fact that he does not walk or strike out a ton of batters. I could see 3E being a very good innings eater in the middle of a rotation in a similar way as long as he stays healthy.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 28, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At midseason
Baseball America ranked the top prospects in the minors and had Tillman and Matusz back-to-back (at 7 and 8, I believe). I THINK Tillman was the higher one, but I’m not positive. (They were the 2nd and 3rd best pitchers)
So, basically, they’re neck-and-neck. Tillman is a year younger, at a higher level, and that counts for a lot. But Matusz has just been absurd this year. In his last 11 outings, he’s been scored upon 3 times. Dude’s WHIP at AA is 0.88, with a 4.5:1 K;BB ratio. But if Tillman was in AA ball, next year, maybe he’d be doing that.
Tough to say who’ll be better in the majors. Gotta love Matsuz’s command and his arsenal of pitches. But Tillman gets it done as well.
Good problem to have.
Another note: some discussion on the OH about whether Arrieta could turn into our Jonathan Papelbon. Obviously you try him as a starter first, but intriguing.
by U2boy417 on Jul 28, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nother note: some discussion on the OH about whether Arrieta could turn into our Jonathan Papelbon. Obviously you try him as a starter first, but intriguing.
Any excellent pitching prospect could turn into an excellent reliever. Tillman or Matusz could be our next Papelbon.
Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.
by birdman on Jul 28, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our bullpen will handle itself in time
I want Arrieta in the rotation if at all possible. Cause like you implied, its easier to find a guy who will succeed in the bullpen.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 28, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
that Matusz doesn’t throw nearly hard enough.
by O'sFan21 on Jul 28, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In terms of performance, not stuff.
Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.
by birdman on Jul 29, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the only reason they tried paplebon (or would try Arrieta) at closer is because of stuff.
by O'sFan21 on Jul 29, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah when it comes to a shutdown closer
I’d rather have someone who threw harder and was more likely to get Ks.
by U2boy417 on Jul 29, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not talking about stuff
OK… fine, not sure how that addresses my point though. Arrieta’s stuff is more comparable to Papelbon. Fine. My point is that is in terms of performance, not stuff, a great pitching prospect could be a uber closer.
Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.
by birdman on Jul 29, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
But I think the other thing about Arrieta, besides his stuff, was his supposed ‘bulldog’ mentality on the mound that would presumably translate well to being a closer. Tillman and Matusz haven’t been identified as such. So it wouldn’t be solely because of stuff.
by U2boy417 on Jul 29, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Any excellent pitching prospect could turn into an excellent reliever. Tillman or Matusz could be our next Papelbon.
That’s what you said. And I disagreed since Matusz doesn’t have the stuff to be automatically considered for closer like the other guys you mentions. so that’s why I said it.
by O'sFan21 on Jul 29, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha I obviously am not good at doing those quotes things...
by O'sFan21 on Jul 29, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just highlight what you wanted quoted
and click the quote button once. It’ll wrap your text in the right code.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jul 29, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just testing to see if it works
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 29, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
take 2
and click the quote button once. It’ll wrap your text in the right code.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 29, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Success!
That will make things so much easier
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 29, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my turn to try
That will make things so much easier
by O'sFan21 on Jul 29, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Arrieta a giant douche?
Does he freak out and jump around every time he gets 3 outs? Does he yell at his teammates on the field? Does he scream foul language on the mound routinely? Does he have a pig nose?
If you answered yes to every single one of these, he may just be the next Papelbon.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Jul 29, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does he do jigs on the baseline in underarmour spandex?
by twistedlogic on Jul 29, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anusface is right
that fucking jig he did in his little spandex was disgusting
by twistedlogic on Jul 30, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where's Patton?
I understand that he may not be in the “Top 3”, but if you’re gonna include guys like Beal and Bundy, than I think Patton deserves at least a write up.
Other than that, great post.
by NickMarkaces on Jul 28, 2009 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I realized that
I left Patton and Erbe off the first part intentionally but forgot them after Britton. I just dont know if he will produce after that shoulder surgery. The injury he had was the kiss of death for pitchers, but he does deserve mention. Erbe does too because if he is every healthy he is promising, and I think he should be moved to the pen ASAP before he permanently hurts himself. I should have thrown Oliver Drake’s name in there with Beal and Bundy because he could be a top ten guy in our system in a little bit.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 28, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tillman
I think has the most potential, although he is going to need to spend a full season in the majors. Last year, he seemed to wear down towards the end of the season, losing a little bit of control. The wear and tear of a long baseball season can be rough on everybody, but that can’t be an excuse in the major leagues. He’s 21, has solid stuff, and should be a very good professional pitcher for years to come as long as he can handle the vigorous schedule.
by Heckler on Aug 3, 2009 2:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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