Never a doubt, Andy, never a doubt.
by zknower on Jul 31, 2009 5:45 AM EDT
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Some deals just barely need any comment at all. Like this one...
I'm not going to criticize the Dodgers for trading Josh Bell. Who knows? Maybe Casey Blake will live forever.
What I will do is send up a big hip-hip-hooray for the Orioles, because the single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects.
Let me repeat for anyone not paying attention: a relief pitcher.
Relief pitchers are, well, I would say that they're "fungible" except that word always makes me think of a massively fun and rigid airship. Instead I'll say that a relief pitcher, purely in terms of value, is not worth two solid prospects.
>snip<
If I were an Orioles fan, I would be organizing a party right now.
The 32-year-old Sherrill certainly will have value beyond this season given that he'll remain under team control beyond this season and is well established as a reliable lefty reliever, but it's debatable how much more valuable he will be than the 26-year-old Leach or the 27-year-old Kuo, neither of whom is making as much as a half a million dollars this year.
So what did the Dodgers give up to avoid a replay of last year's back-breaking Stairs homer? Too much.
>snip<
The reason the Orioles should be clicking their heels over this deal, and Dodgers fans should hot under the collar, is Josh Bell. He's not true blue-chipper, but as a 22-year-old switch-hitting third baseman who was hitting .296/.386/.497 in Double-A this season, he has a high ceiling and fills a big hole in their organization....With top young talent in the outfield and behind the plate, Bell gives the O's a big bat for their infield and gets them that much closer to a lineup that can swing with the big boys in the AL East. Similarly, the Dodgers just lost a player who appeared to be on his way toward filling an organizational hole....For a player who projects as a major league starter and potential middle-of-the-order bat in the near future, the Dodgers didn't get nearly enough, nor did they address a significant need. Before this trade, a playoff exit would have been disappointing, now it will be unacceptable.
Johnson’s ceiling is a back end rotation guy, but Josh Bell may be the guy we really regret losing in this deal.
Bell has many scenarios that could play out:1. Stays at 3rd base and learns to hit LHP then we were screwed.
2. Stays at 3rd base, never learns to hit LHP, we are still screwed.
3. Moves to first base and learns to hit LHP , then we are still screwed.
4. Moves to first base, never learns to hit LHP – still bummed
5. Stays at 3rd, never hits either arm – okay
6. Moves to 1st, can’t hit either arm – okayFrom the current major league team you have to like the addition. For the future, we may regret this deal.
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Let me be the first to say: It's always a good idea to take the Dodger management out drinking.
Thanks heavens for Andy’s hollow wooden leg.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
before or after...
taking the skinheads bowling?
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jul 31, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Andy McWin
It’s impossible for me to read what Neyere and Corcoran think about the deal and be disappointed. I am concerned that Bell won’t be able to stick at 3B due to his weight and defense, but those are things I’ve only just started to hear about and, hopefully, are more trumped up because he’s under more intense a microscope having just been acquired.
But really, if we get any sort of legitimate every-day corner infielder for George Sherrill, this deal is a victory for Andy McPhail and the O’s. Anything that Steve Johnson might offer to the club is gravy.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Thanks Andy!
And thanks Georgie. Oh, and while we’re at it, thanks Bill Bavasi.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Jul 31, 2009 7:49 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is a wonderful trade.
Exactly what I had been hoping for. I haven’t seen Bell play, but this looks like a one-sided trade (barring a LAD World Series victory) if I ever saw one.
Oh, and the hometown loyalty points the organization gets for trading for Johnson, after drafting Flacco, shouldn’t be overlooked. They’re definitely doing a lot of things right these days.
Plus Steve Bumbry
Al’s kid.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
i disagree that this is a "huge" win for the o's
we were gonna trade sherrill anyways, so i guess its great that we got two players instead of just one, but bell is no “huge win.” he might be a switch hitter who bats fairly well, but he cant hit lefties, has limited range at 3b (which by no means solves our current problem there), and other gm’s have said that he “is not a high energy guy and plays nonchalantly.” that’s not exactly my idea of a player i want on my team, especially since he’s going to be asked to make a huge jump from AA to the majors next year.
I think the defense will come around
He’s down to 220 from 235, and reading the quotes from Bell on MASN, it seems the kid got hit over the head by the 2X4 of reality – take your job seriously, son! The 15 pound weight loss shows me he gets it – he needed to take his weight more seriously, and some other reports I’ve read also say his defense has improved. From MASN:
Bell, who now weighs 220 after dropping weight before last season, said he was a shortstop in high school before moving to third in the pros.
This year with Double-A Chatanooga, he is batting .296-11-52 in 99 games with 30 doubles and 50 walks. His OBP was .386 and his slugging percentage was .497.
The 22-year-old Bell is a switch-hitter from Lantana, Florida who ranked in the top ten of six offensive categories in the Southern League.
“I’m confident and comfortable at third base now,” Bell said. “Losing that weight helps my lateral movement and I’m quicker on my feet.”
IF, and it’s a big if, he can get those splits to mirror each other a little more closely, we might have just pulled off a heist for s 32-year-old LOOGY. Which is how the rest of MLB saw Sherrill, no matter what we thought of him. The Dodgers may have just given us our 3B for the next 6 years, starting in 2011, just to get out Chase Utley and Ryan Howard this off-season. Hope it works out for them.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
hes still in AA
who’s gonna start at 3b next year?
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Wigginton
or someone like him
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
I can't wait for next year.
All my Melmo hate will go to Wiggy.
by John Stephens on Jul 31, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Or they pick up Mora's option
Will it be Wiggy or a hugely overpaid Mora? Bell is not going to step up to the majors next year. We’re looking at another year of suckage at 3B, while hoping Bell can become at least league average. I don’t see a reason to be doing cartwheels over this trade. It’s a gamble, but we couldn’t expect much more for a relief pitcher.
I also don’t want to celebrate Sherrill’s departure. I understand he was the only bargaining chip left, but I always liked the guy. At least he had a good attitude and was tolerable in his role.
No way in HELL they pick up Mora's option
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 31, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed...mora will not be on this team next year
i’d still argue mora is a better 3b than wiggington which means ridiculous suckage at 3b next year. i’m not doing cartwheels on this trade either, but i guess it’s a moot point. sherrill was gonna get traded anyways.
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
His option is way too much
and it won’t be picked up, but the O’s could still sign him to a smaller contract. I can’t see a huge demand for him and he would still be an acceptable fill in at a low enough price.
by uneasy rider on Jul 31, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
One report
says he may be ready as early as 2010. Im guessing that means mid season call up, but Wiggs at 3rd for half a season will suffice if this is true.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
thats ambitious
half a season at AAA for a guy who may not even have the tools to play 3b? we’ll see. i always hate speculating about how good prospects are gonna be so early.
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Saw this on Schmuck's blog.
I like Sherrill and I’m sorry to see him go. Not sure how this deal will pan out, but all the negative posts surprise me. Setting aside it’s way too soon to know what we have in Bell and Johnson, I’m thinking Andy’s earned the benefit of the doubt.
Consider this…9 players traded away and 20 back in return.
Bedard, Tejada, Salazar, Penn, Hernandez, Freel, Olsen, Bierd and Sherril for Jones, Tillman, Sherrill, Mickolio, Butler, Scott, Sarfate, Patton, Albers, Costanzo, Meredith, Andino, Waring, Turner, Freel, Gathright, Pie, Pauley, Bell and Johnson. He also signed Izturis, Hendrickson who may get flipped for more prospects and acquired Bass. Something else to consider is Bedard and Hernandez are both on the DL, Tejada was traded the day before legal problems over steroids began, Salazar is batting .091 since his trade, Penn has been demoted while Andino was great filling in for Izturis and Freel is riding the pine in KC. So in return for that shockingly unproductive list of players, we have an all star CF, one of the best pitching prospects in the game, more than half our bullpen, two potential 3B’s of the future, a solid major league LF/DH, a potential closer in Mickolio to replace the all star closer we just rolled over for more, at least three additional high ceiling pitching prospects AND added organizational depth with guys like Costanzo, Gathright and even Pie.
I don’t know about you guys, but to me, that seems like the resume of a guy who has both earned his salary and deserves the benefit of the doubt.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 31, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I get Schmuck's point
but those are some seriously orange tinted glasses he’s looking through. “Two potential 3B’s of the future?” I’m guessing the one besides Bell is Costanzo? Or maybe Waring, who’s played a handful of games at 3B this year? Costanzo is minor league filler. And his reasoning for Tejada being part of the unproductive list is his legal problems, but he had a decent 2008 and is having an outstanding 2009. I’m not saying the Tejada trade was bad, because I don’t think it was. Just seems he’s manipulating things to make them sound better than they are when it’s not even necessary.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Schmuck didn't write that
A commenter named Adam did
OH my bad
I didn’t click the link. I just assumed it was by Schmuck, although I guess duck didn’t technically say that. My apologies to Peter.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I shoulda labeled it better
My bad
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 31, 2009 11:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i agree
sure some of those players were “shockingly unproductive” but its over the top. plus he doesn’t mention that one of those guys we got was rich hill, who is the epitome of top-class production
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
My brother is less than 900 from his new apartment in LA
He doesn’t know which team to pick up. He stopped in New Mexico and got a tattoo of an Oriole bird saying po-tee-tweet, from, like, Slaughterhouse Five.
I wonder if Sherrill will get him to check out the Dodgers, his first instincts are for the Angels. I’ll probably find a scribbled up scorecard in the mail the next few weeks, with Sherrill’s name on it.
I’m starting to miss Sherrill now.
Open thread.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
Hmmm, LA @ WAS, 9/22-9/24
Anyone want to go and cheer on Flat Breezy?
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
i may or may not be here
but if i am, i will be in the house
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
That is one stupid stadium.
It’s hard to get any desire to go there.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Jul 31, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
in the spirit of open-threadedness
when are people going to start offering REAL trades in fantasy?? clay bucholz for david wright? i mean REALLY? clay bucholz?? sure let me trade my first round pick who is hitting .323 and one of my three basestealers (really only two cuz juan pierre doesnt play anymore) for clay friggin bucholz. not to mention the little bitch no-hit my team.
okay rant over
personally
I’ll start organizing a party when we reach the playoffs. Or at the very least when we have a competitive September.
Since we were rumored to get...
Scott Elbert in this deal, how does he compare to Steve Johnson? It sounds like Elbert had the higher ceiling, despite some injuries. If giving him up, though, for a lesser pitching prospect is what it took to get Bell, who the O’s really wanted, I guess one can’t complain too much.
i think bell was included from the start
i reckon it was more of just trying to get the best extra player we could and the dodgers wouldnt go as high as elbert. i could be wrong tho
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Elbert v Johnson
Elbert has much better stuff and a higher ceiling, but he’s had some very serious shoulder problems already. Johnson is a Berken type who may not have the stuff to be a big league starter.
Given the starting pitching depth the Orioles already have, I’d prefer the Elbert lottery ticket, but we don’t know if that was ever on the table.
Hendo staying put
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9875596
The Orioles will not trade left-hander Mark Hendrickson to the Rockies, according to a major-league source.
The teams exchanged names, but could not find reach agreement. The Orioles then pulled back on Hendrickson after trading closer George Sherrill to the Dodgers on Thursday.
Hendrickson, 35, is 4-0 with a 3.28 ERA as a reliever this season, holding opponents to a .685 opponents’ on-base/slugging percentage.
The Orioles want to keep him to help protect their younger pitchers, sources said.
Also, Orioles right-hander Brad Bergesen was struck in the left shin by a line drive on Thursday night, and Hendrickson could replace him in the rotation temporarily.
Don't mind that a bit.
For now, anyway. Hendo has actually been very useful in the ’pen. Makes me almost forget his disastrous stint as starter.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
if he starts in place of bergy
you’ll remember in a hurry
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Noooooo!
No Hendo starts! Never again! NEVER AGAIN!
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
I'm filing that under conjecture right now
Maybe it’s denial, but that’s what I’m doing.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
by CoachOfEarl on Jul 31, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I seem to remember
some talk from other team’s fans (the Cubs and the Twins) about how terrible Andy mac was. I have no idea what the hell they were talking about.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
Maybe he's much better at selling than buying?
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
by CoachOfEarl on Jul 31, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
He got the Twins two WS rings, I wouldn't be too pissed about that.
He also built a Cubs team that got to the playoffs, and I mean, they’re the fricking Cubs.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
he never really made any good personnel decisions there
he built a good team but they never had that one piece that could get them thru
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Sosa.
They would’ve been much better if Wood and Prior had not fallen apart.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
agreed
they’ve never had a lights-out bullpen tho IMO and always lacked another bat
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Sosa + Ramirez was a pretty good combo
It’s just that Sosa was on the downside of his career then.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
This made me very happy
The key to the trade is Bell, in my mind, who looks like a pretty good replacement for Melvin Mora that the O’s desperately needed. To get that for some 30+ bullshit reliever is a gift from heaven. The pitcher is fine too. I’m sort of numb from all the pitching prospects the O’s have, which is a good thing in the end, but I would like to see some position players.
Anyone who thinks MacPhail is bad at his job is stupid. The Cubs did fine during his tenure. I certainly would’ve perfered being a Cubs fan to an Orioles fan back then.
I'm optimistic
The Dodgers recent success, as much as it is due to smart signings and trades, is also thanks to a core of talent they drafted. Broxton, Billingsly, Kershaw, Kemp, Martin, Loney, I’m sure I’m forgetting some too. That’s a good sign for me. Also, Bell is 22! Anyone who thinks they can tell what kind of major leaguer he will be is just wrong. It’s impossible. Sure, Bell could be a bust, but it’s worth a gamble. I think Andy is doing a great job, I mean, does anyone here even remember what it was like before he was here?
by brooklynlovesorioles on Jul 31, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions
I remember
Mike Fontenot and Jerry hairston for Sammy Sosa
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
Worse than that
When Andy got here, $44 million dollars of the 2009 payroll was guaranteed to Hernandez, Huff, Mora, Walker, Baez, Bradford, and Gibbons. That’s 60% of the payroll for almost zero production.
One of the biggest sins of the old regimes was signing relief pitchers and poor fielding old bats to long term deals. Over and over again. Combine that with one of the worst player development systems in baseball, and it’s no wonder the Orioles stunk for so long.
I remember
When Mike Flanagan announced that their goal was just to get to .500.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Hairston has been leading off for Cincinnati recently
Among others. Remember when it was rumored that Dusty might helm the O’s?
Here is Keith Law's take
Listed on ESPN.com. You have to be an insider to read the whole thing but what’s there is pretty good. Key stuff:
The main return for Baltimore is third baseman Josh Bell, who alone is probably worth more in asset value than a good but sub-Joe Nathan, 60-inning-a-year reliever with two years of control left. Bell is a strong, athletic switch-hitter with ridiculous bat speed from the left side — so much that his bat might be in and out of the zone too quickly. He has improving power that probably is above-average to plus in the future. He’s a little rough at third but projects to stay at the position, and he has the athleticism to be above-average there with more work. His walk rate has improved this year even with the move up to Double-A, typically considered the toughest promotion for a player before he reaches the big leagues. His platoon split became more pronounced this year, so there’s some chance he eventually ends up needing a right-handed caddy, but he’s young, and getting him to keep his weight back when he hits right-handed could help matters.
The second player Baltimore acquired, right-hander Steve Johnson, has a solid to average fastball that will touch 92 with a fringe to average changeup and a below average to average breaking ball. But Johnson has a long arm action; he shows the ball to the center fielder, pronates his forearm and comes around with a “pie-thrower” action that really looks like it’s costing him command. He’s a local kid and the son of former Orioles pitcher and current Orioles broadcaster Dave Johnson, so there’s some karmic value there, but he looks more like a good organizational pitcher than a prospect right now.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
So, Steve Johnson is basically right-handed Chris Waters?
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
Well, he has potential to be better than Waters
But right now that seems to where he is
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
He's seven years younger than Waters
Upside: John Maine
Likely Outcome: Jason Berken
Downside: David Pauley
and that's good?
chris waters = david pauley IMO
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
You do need a rotation in AAA
and sometimes you need the organizational depth guy to fill in a hole in the bigs for a minute.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
i meant that more towards the upside being john maine
and the likely outcome being jason berken
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
So in summary...
no one really knows what the hell this kid is going to do. Projections are all over the board.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I almost rec'd this
This is how I’m feeling. I mean, I’m damn happy we got 2 prospects for Sherrill, and that one of them can play 3B and hit… that’s really all I need to know. Of course he needs a little work, and who knows how he will turn out? We’ll see soon enough. But AM is finding more and more piece and putting them together and I like it.
By the way
Reimold’s “perfect world projection” was always to be an average MLer.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Or so I remember
I didn’t really look anything up.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
i say nothing about projections
mark prior’s “projection” was #1 starter. he pitched like a #1 too until he ran into injuries and what not. anything can change
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure how that's really relevant
Are you trying to say that projections by professional scouting teams don’t matter? Why are we following minor league players, then?
I understand that “anything can change,” but that statement is applicable to pretty much anything and everything in life. . .
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
yes it does apply to pretty much anything
but i meant that “perfect world projections” dont mean anything. i was merely responding to the comment that said the “perfect world projection” for nolan reimold was average major leaguer. maybe that’s what he’ll be. i’m not sure what point you were making with that.
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Bell's best case scenario seems to be a "decent" or "average" 3B
And my point was that Nolan had the same projections, yet seems to be a bit more than that.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
More on the 3E injury?
Has anyone heard anything more? I know the initial x-rays came out negative, but I heard a hairline fracture can hide with swelling. Has anyone heard anything more about his shin or another x-ray?
It's just waiting.
I’d like to know by the end of the day. THey’re doing a follow up tomorrow, based on a “couple days” said yesterday. Wieters said it the sound was bad. Even if there’s no break, the amount of pain could easily make him miss his next start.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Jul 31, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
i think in all likelihood
he misses one start at the minimum. can you say hendo? (odds are you can, but really don’t want to)
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bal-osnotes731,0,5582148.story
Zrebiec says he’s heading to the DL
What up?
by snakethejake on Jul 31, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
tigers got washburn
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9875778/Tigers-get-Washburn-from-M’s-for-prospects
couple of prospects in return
M's need prospects right now
since they unloaded so many of them recently…
The Mariners rejected offers from six different teams for young ace pitcher Felix Hernandez, according to ESPN’s Jayson Stark and Peter Gammons. GM Jack Zduriencik admitted he listened, but didn’t find anything even worth discussing. (MLBTR)
Zduriencik to GM’s: I am not Bavasi!
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
Probably won't happen, but...
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9875596/MLB-trade-deadline-buzz:-Friday’s-edition
The Tigers have remained in contact with the Orioles about outfielder Luke Scott, major-league sources told FOXSports.com.
Detroit still has a decent inventory of prospects, even after sending left-handed pitchers Luke French and Mauricio Robles to Seattle this morning for Jarrod Washburn. When the season began, neither French nor Robles were thought to be among the top 10 prospects in the organization.
The Tigers still have a need for offense, but Scott, primarily a designated hitter in Baltimore, would probably need to play left field in order to fit into the everyday lineup. Scott is a left-handed batter, and Carlos Guillen, still unable to play left field because of a shoulder injury, is the team’s DH against right-handed pitching.
Scott is hitting only .209 in July, which has diminished his trade value. But the Orioles’ asking price on him still remains high, one source said.
Some decent positional prospects
Slightly older guys like 2B Scott Sizemore (24 in AAA) or 1b Ryan Strieby (23 in AA), or even 1B/OF Jeff Larish (27 in AAA).
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Jul 31, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder how high that asking price is?
Come ooooon…just give us your top corner IF prospect.
by John Stephens on Jul 31, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He hasn't faced Detroit in July
that’s why he’s only battling .209
Keep the price high Andy.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
Tweet from Ed Price
@BelowZero8 Told right now no fit between #Tigers and #Orioles
by John Stephens on Jul 31, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW
fox sports says the dodgers are still looking at more bullpen help even after the acquistion of sherrill.
also notes that the marlins have upped their offer for 1b nick johnson of the nationals. kinda wondering why the nats haven’t taken that trade yet…
I'm just baffled by the Nats
They are kind of getting lowballed because everyone thinks they need to make a trade… but, well, they do.
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Jul 31, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
thats exactly what i was thinking
im pretty sure johnson is a free agent after this season. i’d take what you can get there. doesnt appear to be anybody else actively pursuing a 1b unless the red sox really are going after martinez
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
plus it appears he’s gonna miss type B status, so they get nothing if he leaves
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
how exactly do they determine A and B status?
i remember somebody at one point talking about Melvin getting B status, but why not Johnson? he’s been great at the plate this year and has (IMO) improved his defense
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Dunno exactly
you can check out mlbtraderumors.com . some guy on there backwards engineered it and they are saying he’ll most likely miss type B
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
oh its apparently based on elias sports bureau
top 20% based on previous two seasons are type A and the next 20% are type B. i guess thats why johnson would miss, considering he didnt really play last season
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess he knows how to swing a club.
If he hadn’t made the cut two tournies in a row ESPN woulda had a field day. “TIGER WOODS IS DONE!!”
by John Stephens on Jul 31, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
woods hits those things like 320+ yards on like every drive
scott hits those things…..well who knows. i havent seen him hit the ball in about a month…..
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
he certainly isnt wieters-ing
or rich hill-ing much of anything except his trade value
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yikes
went to look how my other two favorites are doing:
Daly shot an 88 today to go 18+ for the tourny
and Rory McIllroy is not in (doh!)
by John Stephens on Jul 31, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
bhahahahahaha
john daly is your favorite? really?
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you not like a guy who likes to booze?
And makes a mockery of the PGA by dressing like a total idiot? I love his antics
by John Stephens on Jul 31, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
You say tomato I say tomato
shit, that doesn’t work online, does it?
by John Stephens on Jul 31, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I cant find a good link...
This is all I could find, but Chris Walken did a great opening to an episode of SNL involving potato/potato tomato/tomato
BTW, I just spent about 30 minutes looking for a link and thats all I came up with.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
one more deal...
The Twins have acquired shortstop Orlando Cabrera from the A’s for Class A shortstop Tyler Ladendorf, a major-league source confirmed to FOXSports.com.
I dunno, Brian Wilson hasn't done much
since Pet Sounds.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
well hes got 26 saves
i’m losing 1/3 of my saves with sherrill no longer closing and david wright just refuses to hit any home runs. i’m not sure if either/wilson is worth it tho…
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
that trade is giving me bad vibrations
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Jul 31, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
really?
i’m currently 2nd in the league in saves (waaaaaaaaaaaay behind 1st), but there is no way i’ll stay that high with just jenks and cordero. somebody outwaivered me for JJ.
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
surfin usaaaaaaaaa
as i walk to the bus……in the rain
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
eh
on second thought, its not so bad. I wouldnt be so quick to give up Wright, but now that i’m thinking more about it, he has no protection left in that lineup. It may be worth it to pull the trigger.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
the only thing wright brings to the table now is average
i’m so far behind in hrs its not even funny, but i could make a splash in the rbi category (especially with markakis and jones hitting well right now and AUBREY HUFF getting an rbi). sherrill isnt going to be a fantasy factory anymore anyways so its really more of wright for ethier and wilson
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like Sox are getting VMart
Hopefully they gave up a king’s ransom.
kinda
1:35pm: MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo says (via Twitter) pitchers Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson are in the deal. Gut reaction: nice haul.(MLBTR)
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
That's the opposite of a king's ransom
That’s such a bad haul for the Indians that it’s either missing some names or flat out wrong.
Looking at it a little more
Hagadone was a 2007 sandwich pick who had since had TJ. Masterson is overrated in my book.
Methinks Cleveland is in salary dump mode.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
Third player is Bryan Price
Per Tom Verducci on MLBN
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
He's probably the best of the bunch
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/Bryan-Price-2.shtml
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
are you serious?
those had better be the first 2 of several names otherwise boston gets another great player and the indians get nothing
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
from espn
Red Sox, Indians closing in on trade
The Red Sox would send right-hander Justin Masterson, 23-year-old left-hander Nick Hagadone of Class A Greenville and a third prospect to Cleveland in exchange for Martinez, sources told ESPN.
thats all we need
the mo’fuckin red sox ripping off a shitty team to just get even better…..
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone might have posted this somewhere else,
but AM said the possibility of further O’s trades is “remote.”
Maybe that’s a few hours old. It’s getting harder to sneak moments during work to get my CC/general Orioles news fix…!
Hairston Jr to the Yankees
Here. Ugh. Jerry Hairston Jr is the only player I ever got to sign a bat for me. It’s long since been locked up in a closet somewhere.
And it isnt even like I can sell it to some schmuck Yankee fan now. Its one of those laser inscribed O’s bats from Cooperstown with the O’s logo on it. Dang.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
A cheese pizza
Actually, Chase Weems, a 20yo, no-hit catcher in A ball
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/W/Richard-Weems.shtml
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
Rockies trade for Beimel
according to the Washington Post. They got their lefty reliever after all. No word on what the Nats got in return.
Also hearing on Twitter that Adam LaRoche is going to the Braves, but I don’t see a link anywhere.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
hopefully the nats got a good deal
i’m apathetic as far as the hairston deal goes. how much is really gonna help them?
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
ps no johnson to the marlins trade
nats asked for a better prospect and the talks stalled
by twistedlogic on Jul 31, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
scratch that
they’re in talks.
What up?
by snakethejake on Jul 31, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
LaRoche to Atlanta
Back where he belongs, really.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
now the red sox have another first baseman
Casey Kotchman
What up?
by snakethejake on Jul 31, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Kotchman, Youk, VMart
Mike Lowell might be looking for work soon, I think.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
I hope so, I hate clusters
even when they are on teams i don’t like or care about.
What up?
by snakethejake on Jul 31, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I hate it when they’re all good players on a team that I hope falls apart.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
Marlins got Johnson from the Gnats
The Marlins have acquired first baseman Nick Johnson for the Nationals for Class AA left-hander Aaron Thompson, according to a major-league source.
The Nationals will pay the approximately $1.8 million remaining on Johnson’s salary.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9875596
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
well this is odd
but Jon Heyman has posted a tweet that says Peavy has been traded to the white sox.
What up?
They are talking about it on MLBNetwork too
so it must not be a hoax.
What up?
by snakethejake on Jul 31, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Watching this on MLB network
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
Quite the haul for an injured pitcher
What up?
by snakethejake on Jul 31, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, send Halladay to LAA, please
get him out of this division.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
Luke Scott will miss him, though.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
Whoa, Peavy to the White Sox
for Richard, Poreda, and a couple other guys
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
I thought you couldn't trade injured guys
maybe you just have to get their permission?
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Jul 31, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You can trade guys off the DL
But Peavy’s numbers are going to die @ the Cell, worst place in the world to be a flyball pitcher, other than maybe GAB.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
hendo
why wouldn’t macca take what the rox were offering? did they ask him to pay his salary in addition to the box of balls they were sending back?
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
Didn't want to lose both bullpen lefties
And Hendo will probably be a fill in starter with Bergy on the DL
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
why?
hendo is eminently replaceable. seriously. waters could do that.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jul 31, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Hendo is good, lately, in relief
As for the backup starter, I agree, seriously, bring up someone else from AAA.
Matt Wieters has a sustainably high BABIP
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