Let's say we get Chone Figgins
since he's a FA 3B (complete list here) next year. Who would you lead off with? What would the lineup look like?
They are the same age, 32 next year. Both switch hitters.
Both guys are consistently above avg in AVG and OBP, AVG comparison yearly
What's troubling for Bob is the trend in BB% and K% BB/K comparison
Who has more speed? G AB SB CS SB% AVG (career)
Brian Roberts 1055 4176 242 62 .796 .283
Chone Figgins 855 3272 262 87 .750 .292
Figgins has playoff experience, which has been shown to cause mid-30s career declines. (See Mora, Melvin and Walker, Jaime)
For me, Figgy swipes more bags, by a lot, so he leads off. It's a tough choice and a good problem to have. Here's a crack at the top halfish
Figgins
Roberts
Markakis
Huff
Jones / Reimold
Other 3B FAs include Adrian Beltre, who can pick and is injured and expensive. Maybe he'll get cheaper as an injury risk. Brandon Inge can pick and is a bad hitter having a good year at the plate, so his price is going up. There are others, maybe an obvious choice that I missed? Which leads me to the poll...
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I like Figgins, but I just don't think he's really what we need.
I’d like a more prototypical power 3b. But on the other hand I can’t stand Beltre…
by O'sFan21 on Jul 4, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but by getting Figgins he wouldnt be able to kill us...
It’s gonna be Wiggy… right?
What up?
by snakethejake on Jul 4, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd think we'll see a lot of Wiggy at 3B next year.
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by getxstoked on Jul 4, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, kinda forgot about him
He def belongs in the poll.
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by CoachOfEarl on Jul 4, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's my vote
I think Huff goes to arbitration with the Orioles and plays first with Wigginton moving to 3B full time as Mora retires. In fact, I don’t think AM will do much this off-season at all.
Roberts, Jones, Markakis, Huff, Reimold, Scott, Wieters, Wigginton, Izturis pretty much everyday next year.
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by dfa on Jul 4, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In regards to your potential lineup
Adam Jones should not be all the way down in the five hole.
He’s one of our top-2 hitters IMO
by NickMarkaces on Jul 4, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So would you put Markakis there?
I think Nick is too good a hitter to go that far down. I loves Jones and all, but he’s had a redhot 6 weeks so far this year, and been down since.
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by CoachOfEarl on Jul 5, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some (not me) would argue
with the power he’s almost sure to develop, he should be a #5 to drive in more runs.
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by duck on Jul 5, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
someone has to hit 5
AJ with developing power is a great canidate. Chone, BRob, Kakes, Huff, AJ sounds good to me (not to mention Luke, Reimold, Wieters, and whatever SS sticks after that)
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by daveh873 on Jul 6, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Figgins would fit in great here
Not a power hitter by any means at the corner, but good enough defense and swipes bags as good as any other than Crawford. However, this team can manufacture runs w/ Figgins and Roberts at the top of the order. Talk about dangerous top two hitters!
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by Bruce Raffel on Jul 4, 2009 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Figgins wouldn't be a bad choice.
With our infield prospects in the minors being below average, and with the team expecting to contend in about three or four years, we could hang on to Chone and B Rob until their mid to late thirties. All good ball clubs have older veterans at some positions.
Money may be a problem. In this economy, we will soon have to pay Jones and Reimold a hefty sum. Does anyone know when those two guys would be due for a new contract?
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by Afghanistan Steve on Jul 5, 2009 4:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I expect
that we will offer Jones a new contract following next season…assuming his progress continues. He is quickly becoming a fan-favorite and I think the outcry to sign him long-term will be similar to the Markakis situation this past off-season.
Reimold should be under contract for around 5 more years. No need to pony up more money for him until he proves that his injury-riddled past is completely behind him.
by sickuvitall on Jul 5, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cots 2009-13 payroll obligations
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by CoachOfEarl on Jul 5, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre is trash, Figgins won't work
Beltre has good D, but you can’t count on that guy. And I dont think FIggins is a good fit for this team. Hes getting old, and as the others said, we need some power. Wouldn’t be too wise to have the 3B/SS positions combine for 5 HRs for the entire year. Though with the way Mora is going we might see that this year.
I do think Roberts would be a fantastic hitter in the #2 spot though.
by UMterp08 on Jul 5, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I see people voting for Mora
And I’d like an explanation. Do you think that he’ll have another summer like last year? Or does the warehouse just extend his contract so he can feed his family?
Here is a list of Orioles (batters) who Mora is outslugging:
Robert Andino.
Seriously. Pie is an offensive upgrade to Mora. Zaun has him by 50 points. Moeller displayed more power. If he doesn’t pick it up and get real hot for a long while, he’s cooked. And even if he does, he’s displaying an annoying and deep streakiness that bodes not well.
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by CoachOfEarl on Jul 5, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mora is no longer an option in 2010
End of story
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by Baysox39 on Jul 5, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inertia
I think dfa had the explanation above: “I don’t think AM will do much this off-season at all.” I voted Mora for this reason. Not because I think it is best, but b/c I can see them picking up his option as an easy path when they’re not ready to make a FA splash at 3B yet. They may think he or Ty will be 3B and the other the bench guy (remembering the ’where’s Melvin’ days of super-utility), and not really care which is which. They’d be a combined placeholder.
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by 33 on Jul 6, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giving Mora $9M next year is just plain lazy and stupid
unless he has 1.000 OPS in the second half. Then it’s only partially so.
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by CoachOfEarl on Jul 6, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frak me!
Sorry — been watching a lot of Battlestar Galactica lately.
I didn’t know the option was $9M. Forget what I said. There’s not THAT much inertia.
Has there ever been a cooler Oriole than Eddie Murray? I mean, just straight up cool. Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08
by 33 on Jul 6, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not interested in a 32 year old 3B
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by Baltimo on Jul 5, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who are you interested in?
not liking Figgins is fine, but who do we get? Or do we go with Huff or some MILB replacement?
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by daveh873 on Jul 6, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
move Ty to 3B
Not that he’s great either.
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by birdman on Jul 6, 2009 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather pay Chone Figgins millions at his age
than have to watch Ty Wigginton as my 3B starter for an entire season.
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by duck on Jul 6, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why? Wiggs usually puts a slightly above 100ish OPS+. This year, he’s 80+. Figgins has an OPS+ of 108 this year, but he’s hit 85 and 82 in two out of the previous three years. For the next two years, I don’t think they’ll be a huge difference between the two. Glove wise, Figgins is better. Plus Figgins provides steals. So yeah, Figgins is a more valuable player but I don’t think the difference between the two will justify the money. I would put that money elsewhere rather than giving Figgins a 4 year, $40M contract.
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by birdman on Jul 6, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wiggity is the same age
And you people calling 32 old are starting to make me depressed.
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by CoachOfEarl on Jul 6, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only in sports
But Wigginton is already under contract, so the money wasted last year should go toward something useful in 2010.
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by Baltimo on Jul 6, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one?
It would be absolutely comical for the “new O’s” to spend on Figgins or Beltre this winter. How will things have changed if we go after 30something position players?
The market won’t be very good this offseason, so we should simply wait until an opportunity arises where we can add a long-term solution at 3B.
MacPhail was so patient that he failed to trade BRob/Sherrill/Huff last year, so he can wait again this year.
Shift Ty over to third or someone else, I could care less, but just like with Izturis, bringing in an older position player removes a sense of urgency and delays the inevitable.
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by Baltimo on Jul 6, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be absolutely comical for the "new O’s" to spend on Figgins or Beltre this winter. How will things have changed if we go after 30something position players?
The market won’t be very good this offseason, so we should simply wait until an opportunity arises where we can add a long-term solution at 3B.
Yup, that’s my feeling as well. I think Beltre will undergo surgery though so I don’t know how ready he’ll be for next season. Otherwise, he would been a great player to have a short term, cheap contract given his insane defense. Figgins wil be looking for a Juan Pierre deal which indeed be the old Oriole way.
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by birdman on Jul 6, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Figgins is gonna be 32, and his value is in speed and AVG
which are two things that go away with age. He will get more than he’s worth on the FA market.
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Adam Jones is the tits.
by KenDixonFanClub on Jul 5, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chone
I’d be pumped if we got Chone. Having Figgy @ 3rd and having Wiggy as our super utility guy would be great. Plus having 2 guys at the top of the line-up who can steal that many bases (35+)…that would make the Orioles a very dangerous team on the base paths – something we obviously haven’t been in a VERY long time.
Chone – BRob – Jonesy – MarkickASS – Huff – Reimold – Wieters – Wiggy – Izturis
That’s a pretty solid line-up (and obviously it doesn’t have to be in that order)
Also, I’m really hoping Ray gets shut down for the year and they bring up that Mickolio kid. Then send down Berken (for some more seasoning in AAA…he’ll be a serviceable pitcher with some more tinkering) and bring up Tillman. He is ready, and if he can get some confidence in the Majors this year, who knows, we may be able to contend for 3rd place in the AL East next year!
The O's will contend in 2010
by O's n Natty Bohs on Jul 6, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see Nicky as a #4 hitter
Maybe I’m wrong, but he looks like a 2,3 or 5 to me. I just don’t see that 35+ HR year out of him, where Jones just might in 2 years or so.
Here’s a lineup we could do something with next year:
1. Roberts 2B (S)
2. Figgins 3B (S)
3. Markakis RF (L)
4. Huff 1B (L) (yes, we resign him)
5. Jones CF ( R)
6. Scott DH (L)
7. Reimold LF ( R)
8. Wieters C (S)
9. Izturis SS (S)
But that going to be good enough in this division? With decent pitching, it would win the NL West or maybe even the AL Central. But alas, we play in the AL East.
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by duck on Jul 6, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
i dont think nicky is 30 hr material. that said, he hits for average and nobody can argue with his consistency. hes a quality number 3 hitter. jones does not have enough power to hit cleanup and i personally think he doesnt have the plate discipline or the ability to use the whole field to be the kind of number 3 that markakis is
by twistedlogic on Jul 6, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll disagree slightly
I think Jones ends up having more power than Markakis. Nicky will be .300, 20 HR, 90 RBI for a decade or so. Not a bad player, but not AL MVP material, either. Adam COULD be .305, 35 HR and 115 RBI for a decade. I’d say he has a higher ceiling than Nicky. And I love having Markakis on this team.
Assuming they stay healthy, of course.
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by duck on Jul 6, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think he ends up having more power too
but i doubt his ceiling is higher than markakis and 115 rbis? CHUCKLES. nicky COULD hit 30 hrs but luke scott COULD hit 30 hrs too and i dont want him hitting 3rd. i’d prefer a guy with an eye (not makin poetry) and the ability to hit all kinds of pitches etc hitting third.
guys like markakis and zimmerman dont necessary knock the crap outta the ball, but they are natural hitters and should be 3-hole guys. free-swingers like jones should be hitting 5th or thereabouts
by twistedlogic on Jul 6, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I LOVE Nicky as a #3
And JOnes as a #5. Who’s the #4, though? Scott is WAAAAAAY to streaky to be that guy.
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by duck on Jul 6, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah my bad
i thought you were one of the “nick markakis has to hit 2nd because adam jones hits to the whole field” blah blah blah people
huff hits cleanup i guess. hopefully, God takes his rightful spot as the linchpin of our lineup soon
by twistedlogic on Jul 6, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mora will probably retire
If Huff is resigned, it would make sense to stick him at 3b. That way first is freed up for Synder, who will be a September call-up, and Mora can go retire. (Based on what we’ve seen of Mora so far this year, Mora’s done.)
By signing Figgins you’ve spent millions on two guys in their 30s who rely on their speed. Sounds like a stereotypical Yankee move and not something this Orioles team, with their mandate of picking up young and talented position players from trades of their young and talented pitching depth, would consider.
Wigginton stays as the super-utility guy, Synder at first, Huff at third, and Scott remains the DH.
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 6, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we handle the dropoff defensively at 3B?
I mean, Huff’s OK, but every play is an adventure for him there.
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by duck on Jul 6, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nail, head, hammer
I’d rather see Wiggity at 3B than Aubrey ‘my favorite position is DH’ Huff.
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by CoachOfEarl on Jul 6, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All this “#x hitter” stuff is really not a big issue. If they can find that elite power hitter in free agency, then great, but if they were to pick up Figgins hypothetically, and Huff left, the team could get by playing just fine with Roberts-Figgins-Markakis-Jones-Scott-Reimold as the front six. If Figgy were to hit like 2007/2009 instead of 2008, that team is going to make some runs happen with Brian Bob and Chone torching the bases and Markakis shooting line drives around. There’s also a decent chance Jones turns into a 30 HR guy. Not a great chance, but decent enough.
And I know he hasn’t been the Second Coming yet, but Matt Wieters is already OPSing around league average, which is already making him a fairly productive catcher, and he’s a 23-year phenom.
For the record I’d keep Roberts leading off because it’s familiar, there’s little difference, and I think Chone is a better “stick handler” with hit-and-run attempts and bunting and what have you, and God knows with those two up top that crap wouldn’t cease.
by SC on Jul 6, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the hit and run would make a WHOLE lot more sense with brian and figgins over huff and mora
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by Graham71681 on Jul 6, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atkins to the O's
FYI, Garrett Atkins here in the lost time zone can hit, hit for power and play defense. He’s also expendable. Just need some pitching bait from the O’s. I don’t know if that exists.
by mlhco on Jul 6, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
any idea why he's terrible this year?
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jul 7, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had a terrible start, then Tracy started playing Ian Stewart. Atkins has heated up but only playing part time now.
by mlhco on Jul 7, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atkins has been awful this season save the month of June
The rumors were that the Os were after Ian Stewart. That’s the kind of player I think they need to go after. Young, athletic, power bat third baseman with above average defense and a high ceiling. Follows the MacPhail mold.
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 7, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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