The Young Guns....Future Rotation?
by orioleswillbe on Jul 6, 2009 5:33 PM EDT
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Ok, Orioles have been lacking a consistant rotation since the glory days. And to be honest, the pitchers and rotations since then have been....pretty bad to say the least. But as an Orioles fan, you have to be excited. We have 5 or more great young potential rotation guys.
1.Cliff Lee/Jake Peavy/Another Big Name
2. Tillman/Arrieta/Matusz
3.Tillman/Arrieta/Matusz
This is subject to change depending on prospect progress and trades. You might be able to throw Erbe or Hobgood in there.
I still don't think this rotation is enough to contend. Go ahead and comment
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I think there is enough talent to build a rotation within
No need to go out and add a big name pitching FA. I think our money and resources would be far better spent filling some other, bigger holes. Like 3B or 1B (although Snyder is looking good in the minors).
Between Guthrie, Tillman, Bergesen, Arrietta, Patton, Matusz, Hernandez and Erbe; we can hopefully find 4 or 5 reliable starters.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 6, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, dont sign an "ace" pitcher
You say you disagree with MacPhail in level of risk in signing a big name pitcher, but you didnt elaborate as to why.
Big contracts to pitchers rarely work. I wouldn’t exactly rely on Cliff Lee as an ace, seeing as how hes had one ace-worthy season. And Peavy is too big of a sissy to ever go to the AL East, but if he did, his numbers would suffer badly going away from PETCO and facing deadly DH’ed line ups. I’m not sure if theres any other big names, but a big contract to a pitcher is a horrible idea. Too much risk.
When its time to compete I wouldn’t mind the team signing a nice reliable middle of the rotation guy (something like the 2007/2008 Guthrie), but for now its best to simply wait until the young guns develop and reassess from there. Organizational starting ptiching depth is a strength right now believe it or not. Not need to blow more cash there, there are more important holes to fill.
by UMterp08 on Jul 6, 2009 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i find that comment interesting
you wouldn’t rely on cliff lee as an ace because he’s only had one ace-worthy season? do i need to remind you that he won the cy young during that ace-worthy season and has a 2.88 ERA this year even though he’s on a terrible team? seems funny considering we rely on jeremy guthrie as our ace and he as yet to have an ace-worthy season……
oddly enough, cliff lee was drafted by the orioles and didn’t sign. he ended up coming thru the minors in the nationals organization……
by twistedlogic on Jul 7, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we don't have to pay Guthrie "ace" money!
If we somehow got Lee we would have to part with “ace” worthy talent to get him – meaning high level prospects – which is a huge risk for a guy who’s only had 1.5 years of dominant pitching.
by O'sFan21 on Jul 7, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but
That season is quickly looking like an abbreviation. If you are shelling out big money, wouldn’t you want a guy with a better track record? Hes been pretty average this year, going 4-8 with a 3.45 ERA. His ERA is probably lucky to be that low with that ugly 1.41 WHIP and opponents hitting nearly .300 off him. Bottomline is, hes not a guy I would want a long term deal with. Guthrie has absolutely nothing to do with Cliff Lee. Lee is a good pitcher at times, but I wouldn’t count on him being a legit #1 starter until hes proven he can be good consistently, and by then he will be too old. Lee is like the last guy the O’s should be considering
by UMterp08 on Jul 7, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you mean aberration?
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Jul 7, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he should have said
that sn., or perhaps sea.
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jul 8, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So lets say the Orioles do pick up someone like Cliff Lee or Jake Peavy and you have to assume at least one of the big three isn’t gonna make it, here is what the furure rotation could look like.
Neither player is a free agent after this season. The Indians have an option on Lee and Peavy is under contract for several more seasons.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jul 6, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds
like, from what I’ve read, the Indians are shopping Lee and V-Mart this year.
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by BPinOK on Jul 6, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve heard the same but the Indians have to be overwhelmed by a deal to move either player (e.g., Wieters, Tillman, and two low grade prospects).
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jul 6, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wieters, Tillman + 2
I’d imagine he could be had for less than that, but that deal would be the fleecing to end all fleecings.
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jul 7, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya
I don’t think Seattle would ever expect or even ask for that much
by NickMarkaces on Jul 7, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have no need to sign an ace right now
We’ll remain terrible this year, and in the meantime, young arms will develop and step up, and maybe, just maybe if we’re close to contention, we sign an “ace,” but really, with the caliber of talent in the minors right now, I don’t us needing to do that.
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by exitfare on Jul 6, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know this is probably picking slightly
But the mid 1990s rotation of Moose, Erickson (when healthy), Jimmy Key, and add in Brown and Wells when they were here for a year. Wasn’t so bad.
by cdavis627 on Jul 6, 2009 6:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rocky Coppinger and Rick Krivda were AWESOME
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jul 6, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To take this even further...
I’m not advocating signing big free agent pitchers. In fact, I agree with MacPhail that we should grow the arms within. Hell it seems like of all the prospects we have 1 or 2 should shape up into flat out “stud” pitchers.
But, out of curiosity, what it will take for the Orioles to become an “attractive” environment to free agent pitchers and position players alike?
…record, what kind of record would it take for this team to catch the eyes of athletes? I think that as long as it is around .500 and the other conditions are right, record is not as important.
…potential/future (farm system, how the team progresses etc.) this might be the biggest bargaining chip of them all in the franchises current state. Especially with the pitchers playing in the futures game, a solid, young outfield, and good catching corps. I think if MacPhail can sell the team as being a success in the near future, then immediate record would bear less weight in the eyes of some free agents
….stadium, lefty’s can tee off. Just ask Aubrey Huff. That should put a twinkle in some guys eyes, especially the ones that make their living off the long ball (Adam Dunn types, etc.)
…fan base, well, we’re here, just not “there”…sorry Stacey. I’ve been going!
…ownership, I think if Angelos lets MacPhail call the shots and management doesn’t low-ball guys too badly, this could be a plus. Smart players should recognize what MacPhail’s doing and appreciate the success he’s had in Minnesota and elsewhere
…clubhouse. I think, for the most part, we’ve gotten rid of the head cases. They seem like a friendly group and try to have fun (its hard when youre losing). As of right now, I haven’t seen too much drama. Millar did well to shake things up and keep everyone loose, and i think his attitude carried over a little with guys like Huff and other vets. It was a good thing.
….coaching. Last one i can think of! Outside of pithy little hit-and-runs I don’t mind Trembley. He should probably be a little tougher and more demanding, but we’ll cross that bridge when the talent develops. I do like Kranitz. I liked Mazzone and Ray Miller too. Theyre coaches, not magicicians. Kranitz seems to coach to each pitchers strength, as opposed to Mazzone’s “low-and-away-or-else.” This is something that can/might/will be addressed at the rigth time. For now…it is what it is.
by OldBay83 on Jul 6, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really? Brad Bergesen as a 4th starter?
What up?
by snakethejake on Jul 6, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
too high or too low?
I know he’s been pitching really well but a lot of his stats suggest that he may have trouble ahead.
Ideally, I think 4th or 5th with him and Guthrie is a pretty safe estimate.
by mikekim21 on Jul 6, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like brad at 4.
He might be a 3 or better, but I like the idea of having 3 other guys better than him. :p
by SidewinderX on Jul 6, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking higher.. right now atleast because he's actually in the bigs and pitching well.. unlike the others which are unproven and jeremy guthrie
What up?
by snakethejake on Jul 6, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The knock on Bergesen is his inability to strike out people.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jul 6, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't need K's
If you aren’t letting people get on base.
by wishEYEhadCRABS on Jul 6, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, but...
when you pitch to contact, there’s only so much you can do about that. his ridiculously low walk rate certainly helps.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jul 6, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fun fact!
Of the five current starter his K rate is the lowest but so is his BB rate, so his K/BB the best of the starters at 2.42. Koji is better than him in those categories but he’s on the DL so whatever.
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by Stacey on Jul 6, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
adding on to that
Since I have the baseball reference open.
These pitchers in the AL East have a higher K/BB than Bergy:
Roy Halladay 5.76 (sheesh!)
Jon Lester 3.73
James Shields 3.50
Josh Beckett 2.91
Ricky Romero 2.54 (competition for Bergesen’s ROY)
CC Sabathia 2.53
Bergesen 2.42
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by Stacey on Jul 6, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy crap
thats a good list
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jul 6, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's starters only, obviously
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by Stacey on Jul 6, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd have to say false here
reimold and reimold alone is bergesen’s competition for ROY :-)
okay maybe that wieters guy gets a look too
by twistedlogic on Jul 7, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but IP...
Sorry, but Koji doesn’t count, because he ain’t never coming back to the starting rotation, not if there is any sense in the warehouse—or at least not until one of the others implodes.
by fishoutawata on Jul 8, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 years ahead
1 – Hobgood
2 – Matusz
3 – Tillman
4 – Arrieta
5 – Bergesen/Patton/Erbe
That would be a real deep rotation that can compete aganist any team, as long as the prospects turn out to be what there projected to be.
by No More Steroids Please on Jul 7, 2009 4:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, I don't see Hobgood as number one, maybe that's just me.
by LenaO on Jul 7, 2009 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
you figure if he was a better pitching prospect than tillman, arrieta, and matusz, he may not have fallen to us. not saying he doesnt have the potential, i’d just guess he’ll end up being more of a 2-3-4 guy instead of the ace.
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jul 7, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well in his defense
he’s still in braces. you never can tell how good of a prospect he’ll be at 18 yrs old
by twistedlogic on Jul 7, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
which is all the more reason why I wouldnt pick him at this point to be the #1 guy over people like Tillam, Arrieta, and Matusz
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jul 7, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Future
By next year there’s no question that matusz is the consensus Ace, but 3 years from now (maybe longer) I see Hobgood being the Ace, guess its me being really optimistic though…
by No More Steroids Please on Jul 8, 2009 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember
he’s only 18 and there’s no way to predict how he’ll develop over the next 3-4 years. That being said, I like his chances of being really good.
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jul 8, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better, than ooh, say, Adam Loewen?
Speculating about Hobgood means pretty much nothing now.
by fishoutawata on Jul 8, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you possibly put that kind of stock into Hobgood?
He hasn’t done anything outside of the H.S. level. Being a high draft pick (esp. a pitcher out of H.S.) doesn’t translate to success. Look at our history of top pitching draft picks.
by VB O's Guy on Jul 7, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exhibit A, Brien Taylor
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 7, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't really do that
With the exception of Bergesen, everyone of those guys is still a prospect; and there is no way you can try to slot them into a rotation spot this far ahead.
All you can do is try to build up as many high end prospects as possible and then see how they pan out.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 7, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see Hobgood in the bigs in 3 years. It’s possible, but not likely.
"Your wife told you to play in New York.
Well, my wife told me you look like a dork." Boo Teixeira guys.
by birdman on Jul 7, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm really surprised...
how few folks voted for tillman.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jul 7, 2009 7:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think its starters we need, its a bullpen
we have plenty of starting pitching coming up and like it was said before 5 solid pitchers who can go 7 or 8 innings a game will get us wins, but you still need someone to hand the ball over to thats not gonna implode after 1/3 of an inning. My only thought is that some of the less stellar young arms(the one that don’t make the starting rotation) we have could become bullpen help and maybe one of them could become our closer of the future. I just don’t see how picking up a guy like peavy for like 20 million is gonna help when we have a good amount of talent on the verge of making it to the show.
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
by Graham71681 on Jul 7, 2009 8:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bullpen
yea, I think you see who makes the rotation and let the hernandez/berken/erbe etc group try their luck in the pen. I could definitely see Hernandez as a dominant closer type.
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jul 7, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Horrible idea to acquire an 'Ace' pitcher
I don’t even know why that would be a thought in any Orioles fan’s mind. If you follow the Orioles at all, you certainly know that our strongsuit is our starting pitching. Acquiring an overpriced “stud” would really damage McPhail’s plan, as well as the team (in terms of signing good players at other positions). There is no need to sign an ‘Ace’, and I don’t think McPhail would be dumb enough to do so – unless it was an UNBELIEVABLE bargain (which doesn’t happen with Ace pitchers).
Out of all the top prospects we have in the minors, you have to believe that atleast 2 of them will become reliable starters in the Majors. That would be enough to build the rotation around (toss in Bergy, Hernandez & Guthrie) and the guys who couldnt’ cut it as starters will head to the bullpen.
If we spend any money, PLEASE spend it on a Power Bat or an above average 3rd baseman. It hurts me to watch Melvin Mora flail at the ball all game long.
The O's will contend in 2010
by O's n Natty Bohs on Jul 7, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree
but I still think it’d be awesome if we resigned Bedard and had Jones, Tillman, Sherrill, Mickolio, and Bedard all on the same team, Thats just the part of me that likes seeing others in distress, but it’d still be pretty darn cool.
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jul 7, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be very, very, awesome. Not gonna lie.
If the opportunity shows up, then sure, go for it. But any other ace is essentially a waste of money and effort.
by LenaO on Jul 7, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but what about Scott and Peter?
remember…Bedard was a big meany to our local sports reporters. We can’t have that guy on our team!
by brek on Jul 7, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 sir
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by Afghanistan Steve on Jul 7, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need!!!!
A big name pitcher. you can’t just throw these rookies in the top of the rotation and expect them to produce. I think we need to sign Two top of the rotation pitchers. Not a mark hendrickson or scott erickson or pat henkon and the list goes on. We are two top pichers away from being in contention with the linuep we have now. With thoughs two top pitchers that can take pressure off of the rookies to produce and also a few tools in which they can learn from. I don’t get it. We obviously have the talent coming up. OPEN UP THE WALLOTS!!!!
by Oriolebird88 on Jul 7, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
everyone is a rookie at some point in their career (usually the beginning)
AM made his philosophy pretty clear grow arms, buy bats besides if we are gonna open the wallets I say we fill in that giant hole on the left side of the infield (I am an andino supporter but he just isn’t the future ss for us)
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
by Graham71681 on Jul 7, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does a veteran pitching on a different day take any pressure off?
I don’t get that logic. Why would Tillman have less pressure when he starts knowing that Peavy pitched two days earlier???
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 7, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore
I think what may take some pressure off a rookie pitcher (if that is so important) would be to have a more productive offense and defense behind him. And you are obviously going to have to forgo that to some extent by adding one or two top dollar pitchers.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 7, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Rahdames Liz fella
is looking great………oh wait a minute. It’s not 2006 anymore.
When you're born into the human race you're given a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you're given a front row seat. And some of us have notepads.-George Carlin
by Afghanistan Steve on Jul 7, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2011
1. Tillman
2. Matusz
3. Arrieta
4. Bergeson
5. Guthrie
W/ Hobgood, Patton, Erbe pushing Guthrie for a spot.
by DT711 on Jul 7, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I 2011
Hobgood will still not be old enough to drink in any state in the Union, and may, just may, still have his braces on. The kid is EIGHTEEN. He’s gonna need more than 18 months in the minors.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 7, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
List is fine I suppose if you think all three of Tillman/Matusz/Arrieta integrate perfectly
But Hobgood won’t be ready by 2011 as others have noted.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
by Baltimo on Jul 8, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Britton maybe
And Spoone if we’re lucky.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
by Baltimo on Jul 8, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2010
1. Bedard
2. Guthrie
3. Bergesen
4. Tillman
5. Hernandez
That is how camp breaks next April. I know Bedard is mighty speculative but someone has to sign him and he is shaping up as a type B free agent, meaning he does not cost a draft pick in compensation. (to further stick it to the M’s)
If not Bedard, then it will probably be someone else besides who we really want. I do not see the club breaking camp with multiple rookies. As per the pattern of ensuring the club’s long term interests, both Arrieta and Matusz will be held back until at least June to preserve their extra year of eligibility before arbitration. If we need an extra pitcher before then it will be Patton. Look at the case of Tim Lincecum whom I believe is eligible for arbitration this year. You remember Tim Lincecum, the guy that was drafted after Billy Rowell and is staring down his second straight Cy.
by b_duardo on Jul 7, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Assuming they don't trade him
I would be somewhat surprised if they even offered him arbitration. If they do, I would think he would be a type A FA.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 7, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as the stats go according to mlb rumors
bedard is likely to be a type b, but even if he were a type we would not give up our first round choice because the 1-15 picks are protected.
by b_duardo on Jul 8, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bedard is not gonna sign here
Hes going to Canada. And if he does remain in the states hes sure as hell not coming back to Baltimore. He hated it here. I think he made that painfully obvious during his stint and his comments after he was traded.
Even if he did want to sign here, why would you want him? He only pitched 81 innings last year, and if he manages to stay healthy for the rest of the year this season (which he won’t), hes gonna pitch a max of 150. The man is as brittle as they come. Hes the type of player you roll the dice on when a team is on the cusp of contention and one pitcher away. Hes not someone you build a rotation around. Even if he is a type B free agent, you honestly want to give this guy a five year deal?
by UMterp08 on Jul 8, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enough With the Pitching
We’re well established with pitching for the future, but we still need that legitimate 35-40 HR guy and more depth in our lineup. I mean come on Jarod Washburn shut us out to one hit…..
by No More Steroids Please on Jul 8, 2009 4:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you dont get a much deeper lineup
honestly, the lineup is quite deep. it is, however, young with AJ, Reimold, Andino, and Wieters and therefor prone to some growing pains. The lack of that big bat is a concern, but they just dont become available that often, and the ones that do are often the flawed ones (see: Adam Dunn) or they are being traded for a kings ransom. I’m quite happy with the lineup we have now and if we upgrade at the positions opening up (3rd, 1st, maybe ss) I dont even really see a definite need for a 40 HR guy. Wieters and Jones are both capable of being 30 HR guys and should both become at least 23-25 hr guys. 4 of those in the middle of your order is nothing to sneeze at.
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jul 8, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think people overrate our lineup
We’re currently 10th in the league in runs scored. Wieters replacing our former catchers (plus REimold) may make that go up, but Roberts and Markakis are off from last year. And looking forward, Huff is likely gone for next year, leaving 1st open. 3rd should be open, and our SS are certainly offensive liabilities. Snyder may contribute next year, but who knows whether he’ll equal Huff production.
Without people like Jones and Wieters really kicking it up a notch next year, we’ll need to bring in outside help to have a strong offense.
by U2boy417 on Jul 8, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Hobgood
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jul 8, 2009 6:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no one votes for him
and he doesnt even get his own first name
"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17
by daveh873 on Jul 8, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DOUBLE WHAMMY
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
by Baltimo on Jul 8, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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