Who Would YOU Trade??
by orioleswillbe on Jul 8, 2009 5:17 PM EDT
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With the trade deadline approaching, I am getting the feeling that the Orioles need to make a trade. Now I know there have been rumors about the Orioles trying to ship Pie, Salazar and Sherrill but I think they still need to make a blockbuster trade for a position player. Andy McPhail's philosophy has always been, "Build the arms, buy the bats," and I could not agree more. The Orioles have an array of young pitching talent who are close to becoming MLB regulars, not just pieces of the Orioles future. So even though we have a boatload of young piching talent, we are lacking in young star position players. But in order to acquire these young talented bats, we need to trade away some of the players on our team that don't have a significant role in our future, as the Orioles try to build a winner. Players in my oinion like Aubrey Huff, George Sherrill, Luke Scott, Melvin Mora and Ty Wigginton.
Now I know some of you readers are thinking I'm crazy and should sign off the Internet forever but I'm not saying we have to trade all of these players. The Orioles demonstrated that they want to ditch some of their older non-important huge pricetag players in the past. In the last few years they cleared millions of dollars in cap by parting ways with Ramon Hernandez, Jay Payton, Miguel Tejada and Erik Bedard. To me this meant the Orioles were headed in the right direction. All these players were not going to benfit the Orioles in the long run. And so far, the trading these players has completly changed the dynamic of the Orioles organization. With all the young players being thrown into the organization has undoubtably put the O's on the path to success. Now here are my reasons for trading the players on the current Orioles that I mentioned earlier.
Aubrey Huff- His stock is rising and a condender could use him right now instead of him waiting about two more years until the Orioles are really good. I think if the Orioles should trade anyone this year, it should be Huff. Plus, Brandon Snyder is waiting to replace him.
George Sherrill- Any contender could use a good closer. And with talks about converting Jim Johnson to closer, a deal would be beneficial to the club. But if the Orioles weren't to trade Mr. Flat Brim I would still be fine with him bering on the team.
Luke Scott- Let's face it, he is 31 and that bat isn't gonna be belting homeruns forever. With young outfileders in the organiztion like Felix Pie who needs to play everyday to develop into a great player and Xavier Avery who has unbelievable potentional, trade LUUUUKE might be good for the team. Keeping him for the time being would be fine but when those younger players develop some more, it might be time to let him go.
Melvin Mora- He can't hit anymore and Wigginton is a better fit. He just should not be here anymore.
Ty Wigginton- If the Orioles decide to keep Aubrey Huff, trade Wigginton because he won't be put to use. If Huff leaves he will recieve more playing time.
So, what do you think?
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I'm willing to trade any and all of the guys you listed
Although for some, I doubt there would be much return (Mora, Wigginton)
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jul 8, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mora's not going anywhere.
No one would really want him, and besides, he has full no-trade protection. There would be zero return for him in terms of people who can help the club.
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by zknower on Jul 8, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Plus
why trade warning trade warning track power?
by Johnny_S on Jul 9, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
weird...not sure why it doubled my words
why trade warning track power?
by Johnny_S on Jul 9, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dreams are fun...
I’d like to see Baez and Sherrill packaged and sent to the Angels for Brandon Wood, but I don’t see that happening. It would be fantastic if it happened though.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Hernandez become a closer or dominant late-inning guy.
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 8, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade
Baez, Huff, and Pie (only if you can get Josh Fields back, no reason to dump a guy who can be a cheap 4th OF with upside unless you get a cheap player with upside back).
Baez = salary dump, Huff = B- prospect and salary dump
Take that money and reinvest it into Sano/more over-slot draftees (Berry, Martin, etc.)
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by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 8, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pie for Josh Fields
Agree with your post wholeheartedly. Baez & Huff don’t have a future with Baltimore and the money saved could be invested in signing either Sano or Givens. We could use a solid SS prospect. Josh Fields needs a new start and was decent two years ago. We need a 3B badly. I’m not looking forward to spring 2010 with only Salazar, Moore or Turner as our 3B choices.
by fuddnelson on Jul 9, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wiggy is a 3b
pretty sure he’s better than salazar, moore, or turner.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Jul 9, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see Luke as a DH we should keep
That little black notebook has been doing him a lot of good since he got her.
Huff is a defensive liability and I feel Luke is a better DH over Huff (even though I like Huffy)
Mora wont Trade … just aint gonna happen
Sherrill is worth the trade but I don’t think you’ll get much for him
by col_kl1nk on Jul 8, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
huff is a defensive liability
do you have any better options to replace him?
by twistedlogic on Jul 9, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of your points are valid
BUT citing Xavier Avery as a reason to trade Luke is utterly insane. He’s a 19 year old with a .650 OPS at DELMARVA (A-Ball) who strikes out in a quarter of his at bats.
If this kid is ever gonna reach the majors, it’s not gonna be a for a long time. He has some great raw talent, but it is REALLY raw. He should not be considered whatsoever in regards to the plans of the major league club.
by NickMarkaces on Jul 8, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I forgot to say something about that. Avery has many exciting tools, but he should not affect anything done at the ML level now.
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by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 8, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade anyone except for Jones, Reimold, Markakis, Wieters, Johnson, and Bergesen; I didn’t forget anyone.
It doesn’t have to be a package that blows us away because, as shocking as this sounds, other teams won’t be willing to give up 4/5 players for a starter with an ERA of 5.35 or a 32 year old DH/1B with an OBP of .763 and an expiring contract.
Luke Scott is nice, he’s a good baseball player, and we all love his antics, but I doubt the guy is producing as a DH on a competitive team in 2/3 years.
Yes, he is cheap and under control, but that is exactly why other teams would be interested.
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by Baltimo on Jul 8, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd actually consider dealing Johnson
if some contender is really hot to shore up their pen and wants to give us someone with upside for him.
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Jul 9, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way
hes young and (this is going to come as a shock for o’s fans) relatively consistant. not worth trading especially considering he could be our closer at some point this season or next. even if he isnt, i’ve been pretty happy knowing that we’ve a got a shutdown guy who can pitch the 8th or go longer if needed.
by twistedlogic on Jul 9, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the only player
Who I would hold onto unless blown away. If another team is willing to overspend, then I’d deal him because I think his productivity is vulnerable with a low K/9.
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by Baltimo on Jul 9, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baez, perchance?
Who I DO NOT want to see gone is Luuuukkeeee. Like, really. He’s one of my favorite guys, great attitude, always smiling, and produces. Really don’t want to see him go.
The issue with dealing Pie would be, who would be your backup CF? I think I like Pie in his role. And he’s got a nice attitude, too, and doesn’t seem to have a problem with being in a utility role.
I guess Huff would do. I genuinely like him and find him hilarious, but we have other people that could fill in his role and he could bring some good stuff in, even though he’s not producing as much this year as last.
by LenaO on Jul 9, 2009 6:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont see anyone bringing back anything special
so I wouldnt mind if we trade no one this year. Trade Huff if you can get something decent for him, but I doubt you can. Luke may bring something back, but nothing more than a B type prospect i’d imagine. Maybe they’d throw in a ptbnl type, but whats the use in that? Unless someone wants a package (maybe Luke or Huff plus Sherrill or Baez) then I say whats the point. If a package like that can bring us back one real infield prospect or something to that effect, then great.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Jul 9, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we dont have any solid bargaining chips really
lukes marginal D makes him essentially DH only, huff doesnt hit well enough for anyone to really want him, baez stinks, sherrill would be a lefty specialist on any team he goes to so nobody is going to offer up a ton for him, mora has the NTC, pie is a prospect so the contenders wont want him, salazar is incredibly unproven for a 31 year old, zaun is too old period for anybody to want him (sorry if i offended you senior members of CC), and wigs is a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none kind of player.
by twistedlogic on Jul 9, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that about sums it up...
i could see trading away scott, huff, baez, or sherrill, but we wouldn’t get much at all in return. The idea that we could trade mora or pie and get anything is silly.
by brek on Jul 9, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie for Fields
Pie is never going to be more than a 4th OFer in Balto. He might pan out someday, but not here. Same goes for Josh Fields. He has a good upside but has worn out his trial in Chicago. We need a 3B prospect with an upside.
by fuddnelson on Jul 9, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roberts
When Roberts is in the line up this season, and doing well, so do the Orioles. When he is in and takes at bats off and half heartily fields the Orioles stink. Being the “Capitan” of the Orioles he is too inconsistent for my taste, and this year he is playing indifferent in my opinion.
by Kevin W on Jul 10, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's the deal
I’d resign Huff. He’s said that he wants with the O’s since he left TB right when they made it. His defense at 1B is becoming playable, he can hit, he’s hilarious, and he’s 32. For me, it would take a really nice package to send him away. I’m not ready to clear the way for Brandon Snyder just yet. If we need, he can DH or (gulp) play 3B.
Speaking of 3B, Mora, here is your $1M buyout. Thanks. Good luck in Philly/Washington next year or at home with the kids! Keep Wigs, he’s been a valuable utility infielder with occasional power for when Brian has the swine flu or Mora needs a week off.
Trade bait: Baez, Sherill, Guthrie, Scott, in that order, depending of course on what the haul is. Baez is a fine pitcher and will be just the reliever lots of playoff teams will need. He needs to be dealt since he’s a FA, and he won’t cost teams draft picks, so we might could get something in return. I would keep Scott but for the right offer, since he always seems to be birdland when nobody else is willing to be.
We have a crowded outfield and Pie is the natural choice for 4th OF, with his CF abilities and speed. If Scott goes, put Pie back in LF and DH Reimold. There, I said it.
I don’t see Guts moving since he’s having a terrible year and is pretty average, but he’s still cheap and serviceable. I could keep him too, he might have another up year next year.
We need to deal Sherill, although we should include blood pressure medication with him. There are teams who would be all about the lefty closer. Keep JJ and let him fight Ray for the closers spot.
The O’s need prospects, especially infield bats. They also need big league pitching, but only temporarily, considering all of the pitching prospects lining up to join the big club. Then again, you can’t have too much pitching.
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by CoachOfEarl on Jul 10, 2009 1:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trades
The fact that Baez won’t be worth draft picks will decrease the value of the deal we’d get for him. If the receiving team knew it would get draft picks after he left, they’d give up more.
Ray should be nowhere the closer’s role or any competition for it. If Sherrill goes, JJ is the unquestioned man of the bullpen.
Resigning Huff is eh…this year he’s proving that last year was nice, but just a blip on the radar screen, and he’s reverting back to his #s from the past couple years, which are OK, but not great for a 1B. He will be a Type A, so it may be in our best interest to either trade or take the draft picks.
With Scott, we have to remember last year was his first in a new league, and this is also just like his 4th full year in the bigs. In other words, the improvements he’s made this year may very well be legit. And his defense is not atrocious in LF, so that’s not an issue. Now, if he could play 1B, that would solve a lot of problems….
by U2boy417 on Jul 10, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right about the draft picks for Baez
I think we would have to offer arb in order to get the picks for Huff…so me may wind up resigning him anyway.
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by CoachOfEarl on Jul 10, 2009 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A sobering reality
Mora is also a Type-A and will require arbitration to get draft picks. Truth be told, Mora and Huff might accept arbitration, so they may have lost the chance to get draft picks unless they’re traded. Mora seems an unlikely trade candidate however; maybe he’ll retire.
by Dr Orpheus on Jul 10, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you decline someone's option
and still offer them arbitration? Even if you can, I wouldn’t offer it to Melvin. I am a big fan of what Melvin has been to this team, but those days are over.
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by Stacey on Jul 10, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure you can
Also, Melvin’s right on the edge of Type A/B, so it’s possible that if he keeps sucking (and get PT) for the next few months he wouldn’t be an A by the end of the year.
Bottom line we’re not liking to get anything for Mora, whether in trade or draft pick compensation (please tell me we don’t offer him arb, or pick up the team option). I just hope he’s not our starting 3B next year….
by U2boy417 on Jul 10, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huff on arb wouldn't be the worst thing
Baseball Prospectus ran a good article last offseason that basically said, pretty much any player who’s good enough to be a Type A is good enough to have on your team on a one-year, market value deal. And that puts them in a contract year again, essentially, which is usually a good thing, and isn’t an albatross contract.
So yeah we’d have to offer him arb, but that’d be worth it, giving us either the draft picks or an OK one-year deal.
by U2boy417 on Jul 10, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be fine with that
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by CoachOfEarl on Jul 11, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would I trade?
Baez for the rest of his contract
Sherill for a decent infield prospect (no need to give him away, but his save totals make him seem more valuable than he is, but I bet every GM in baseball knows this)
Huff for a decent infield prospect (leverage: am open to offering him arbitration)
Luke Scott for two decent infield prospects…might as well sell high, though I’d like him more if he can pull off 1B.
I would trade Guts because we’d be selling low. I wouldn’t trade Wigginton because he’s the bridge at 3B. The bridge to whom is a compelling question though. I’d love to deal Mora, but that won’t ever happen and really I’m just hoping the Orioles don’t pick up his option.
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by dfa on Jul 10, 2009 2:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As said before Trade huff, but the stache stays
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by O's21girl on Jul 10, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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