Tuesday Open Thread
by zknower on Aug 11, 2009 5:45 AM EDT
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PrintBergesen throws for first time since injury | MLB.com: News
Baltimore rookie starter Brad Bergesen has shed the crutches that he needed after suffering a bruised left shin, and he threw on the side Monday for the first time since his injury.
O's Matusz looking forward to home debut - USATODAY.com
Matusz will make his OPACY debut against the LAAAOCCA Saturday.
Breaking News: Orioles Sign Three Early Picks - MVN Outsider
With just seven days left to sign draft picks, the Baltimore Orioles signed three of their early draft selections, inking RHP Randy Henry (4th round/South Mountain CC), LHP Ashur Tolliver (5th round/Oklahoma City), and RHP Ryan Berry (9th round/Rice) to their first professional contracts.
No news on SS Mychal Givens, however.
Killer B's: Brandon Erbe is named Eastern League pitcher of the Week, Brandon Snyder is the International League Batter of the Week, and Brian Matusz is the Eastern League's player of the Month.
Hairston, Epitome of Role Player, Tries to Keep Game Simple - NYTimes.com
A nice article on how Jerry Hairston, Jr. has stayed in the game due to his versatility. I always liked Jerry; the guy is a class act.
Cabrera inked to a minor league deal | Arizona Diamondbacks Community
Danny Cabs officially joins the D-Backs.
I hope this post will look okay tomorrow morning, but the SBN Preview function is now on the fritz, so I have no idea.
This is your Open Thread.
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Good morning
all seems right with the world now that Bergesen is almost back.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
Fangraphs article on AL Rookie Hitters
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/top-al-rookie-hitters
Nolan Reimold, LF, Baltimore Orioles
Reimold’s teammate (and the top prospect in baseball entering 2009) Matt Wieters is slowly picking up steam but he has yet to top 200 at-bats in the majors this season. As such, Reimold is currently the favorite amongst Baltimore’s rookies to win the AL Rookie of the Year. Reimold hit a few rough patches in the minors, which temporarily clouded his potential, but he entered pro ball with some hype as a second round draft pick out of Bowling Green University in 2005. The 25-year-old outfielder has a solid line of .272/.365/.444 with 10 homers in 239 at-bats. He also has an encouraging walk rate for a young player at 11.8 BB%, and a solid strikeout rate for a power-hitting prospect at 20.1 K%. Reimold leads rookies in the AL in homers, walks, and is second in RBI as well as OPS.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
i hate to say it...
but i’d give the edge to beckham right now. curious to see what happens if bergesen can stay healthy the rest of the season.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 11, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
For a second I thought you meant David.
I was like, wait, what? And then I realized you meant Gordon.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
According to Roch
we’ll find out who the O’s got very shortly and that the Rays and O’s are still going back and forth. But he’s reiterated several times that they WILL be getting a player this year, unlike last year with Chad Bradford.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Praying for Reid Brignac, personally.
Or someone who can play third adequately.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
In answer to the why question
because he sucked and we no longer had much use for him so if you can get SOMETHING it’s better than nothing.
sucked?
not really. no need for him to be starting more than a couple times a week, but a decent catcher that can actually hit is always okay in my book.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 11, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He sucks. He wasn't good at catching or hitting.
Not sure why people here have such an attachment to him. There was no evidence that he was any good at calling pitches or handling the young pitchers at all. He was a godawful hitter until the last 3 weeks that we had him when he was no longer playing regularly.
oops...that's "all the pitches" and also a little sarcasm
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Nah I don't think so.
They made a big deal about how Wieters was still learning how to call pitches, so I don’t see why they would have Wieters call pitches and Zaun not.
yeah, not really...
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=zaungr01&year=2009&t=b#month
i’m not really attached to him, but i prefer to watchers dudes that don’t suck. chad moeller actually stinks. i would prefer zaun.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 11, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
ZAUN! has a 87 OPS+ (90 OPS+ for us in 2009). For a catcher, that doesn’t suck. He’s probably a league average catcher right now with the bat if you were to rank all catchers by OPS+ who have a decent number of ABs. .
btw, I’m adding a ! to end of ZAUN from now on, sort of like Frente!
Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.
He sucks.
Awful defensively and mediocre hitter (I’ll amend my earlier statement even though I still think he sucks at hitting).
regarding ZAUN! defense
just saying…
from fangraphs.
Along with being a patient hitter capable, Zaun has a reputation of being a decent defensive catcher. We don’t attempt to quantify defense, but everyone who has attempted agrees with conventional scouting that Zaun is a good defender minus an iffy throwing arm.
Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.
Oh somebody said he has a reputation of being a "decent" defensive catcher "minus an iffy throwing arm"????
What a RINGING endorsement. hahahahahahaha
A couple good articles on Zaun
http://www.draysbay.com/2009/7/1/931342/gregg-zaun
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/4/5/389840/framing-the-debate
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/4/5/389840/framing-the-debate
Skimmed the article. I don’t think ZAUN! is that good but the author qualifies his comments quite a bit.
Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.
At least he knows how to block the plate
A rather refreshing development in Baltimore, wouldn’t you say? He also gives rather few WP/PBs (something Wieters has not quite mastered yet). Zaun is what he is, which is journeyman MLB catcher. He’s never gonna knock anyone’s socks off, but he doesn’t suck, either. IMHO, that is.
by fishoutawata on Aug 11, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
among whom?
joe morgan and tim mccarver?
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 11, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
don't diss them too much
brooksie doesn’t have 17 GG’s for nothing
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 11, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
it's kind of sad
the GG comittee now sucks.
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 11, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
are they?
if you think the gold glove SHOULD go to the best defender, do you think brooks robinson really deserved all those gold gloves? he probably did not.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 11, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah...
i think we’re talking about different groups of folks.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 11, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i wonder
how that guy got home,
"Get out the rye bread and mustard, Grandma, it is grand salami time!"
by WestcoastO'sFan on Aug 11, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
as 3dg MIGHT say...
if choose to not drink responsibly, please don’t drive.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 11, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugly Uni of The Day
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 11, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions
Wow, looks like people have even given up on the Open Thread
Or is it a heavy vacation week at CC?
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
channnel please
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 11, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Good luck.
telemundo and mun2. FMF decided to fuck with the US market and not sell the television rights to an english-broadcasting channel, or even a spanish language channel commonly carried in the U.S. I know a “free preview” of mun2 was arranged in the philly area for the game today, but I dont know about anywhere else.
I’d say head out to a bar like I’m about to, but you know…
I thought that was tomorrow
Am I missing something?
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Aug 11, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Um. my iCal almost got me drunk before 3:30 on the wrong day.
by kba26 on Aug 11, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not that there's anything wrong with that!
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Aug 11, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course not
but I’d have a hard time explaining how I got sick at 3 and had to leave work two days in a row.
or, you know, tomorrow.
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
Another Fan Graphs article
This on on AL Rookie Pitchers
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/top-al-rookie-pitcher
Brad Bergesen, RHP, Baltimore Orioles
Perhaps the least-heard-about-name on this list, Bergesen just keeps plugging away despite having almost zero hype entering the season. The former fourth round draft pick was taken out of a California high school in 2004 and he honed his skills in the minors for five seasons. Bergesen has almost freaky-good control, having posted a walk rate below 2.00 BB/9 in all but one minor league season prior to 2009 (his first, when he appeared in just five games). The right-hander is a sinker/slider pitcher whose fastball averages around the upper-80s, so he needs that control (and command) to succeed. As he gets around the league a little more, Bergesen may have to break out the changeup (7.9% usage) a little more. His ground-ball rate of 50.1% definitely helps him survive in the AL East. Overall, he’s allowed 126 hits in 123.1 innings of work, while also posting a walk rate of 2.34 BB/9 and a strikeout rate of 4.74 K/9.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
do they have anymore stuff complimenary of us?
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 11, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I think people underestimate his fastball constantly.
I think most games he sits pretty consistently 90 and hits as high as 93 on occasion. I think I see as more pitches at 91 than at 88. Maybe the stadium/TV radar guns aren’t what the analysis is based on and they use a more precise gun, but his velocity always seems higher than I read about.
did anyone see OTL?
they had this piece on a guy who left cuba and now there’s going to a CRAZY bidding war for him this offseason.
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 11, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions
yes
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 11, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Appropos of nothing...
Is anyone else getting really sick of our TV and radio guys saying “Boo hoo… we have to face Buerhle and Beckett and Verlander and Halladay and that’s why we can’t hit consistently”.
We can’t hit Gio Gonzalez? Really? and any number of other no-dick pieces of shit. We can’t hit because we just can’t hit. lets hit more. Please?
1933 was a bad year
by Senatorrosewater on Aug 11, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions
defenitley(sp)
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 11, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone planning to inglorious basterds?
the one with brad pitt killing nazis.
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 11, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions
The Pittsburgh Pirate's Influence is felt around baseball
The Pirates have dumped salaries for years under the pretense of putting together a winning team. The Blue Jays have gotten the message and plan to dump salaries also. What are your thoughts?
"Losing teams find ways to beat themselves" Jim Palmer
sigh
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 11, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont see them as the same thing at all
The pirates salary dumps have always been about saving money, no matter how good the player was. The Jays saw an opportunity to get out from under what is looking like a terrible contract and better allocate those resources.
yup...
note that the marlins and twins are also big salary dumpers and generally rebuild competitive teams.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 11, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone have the overall team salary numbers as of today?
Where are the O’s in relations to the Jays, Rays, Nats and the Bucs?
"Losing teams find ways to beat themselves" Jim Palmer
Committed Salary, next 3 seasons (not including arbitration)
Orioles
2009: $76.2M
2010: $30.6M
2011: $21.5M
Blue Jays not updated for Rios claim
2009: $81.0M
2010: $81.7M
2011: $44.1M
Rays
2009: $65.0M
2010: $39.2M
2011: $21.7M
Nationals
2009: $61.5M
2010: $28.9M
2011: $9.0M
Pirates
2009: $52.3M
2010: $18.5M
2011: $13.5M
In terms of rankings,
16. Jays
23. Orioles
25. Rays
27. Gnats
28. Pirates
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
lol
Hopefully my favorite player will fit in some teams lineup that wants a solid bat.
"Losing teams find ways to beat themselves" Jim Palmer
I just always think of you when I think
of Lou or vice versa.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Yeah, he'd be great with the New Hampshire Fisher Cats
He’s not good. At all.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
Here's a link to MLB Team Payrolls
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/salaries
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
Oops, that was meant to be a reply to above.
My bad.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
No problem
What I find interesting is after #15-Cleveland there is not much difference and the teams below 15 can be competative within themselves and say $15-$20 million difference.
The large market teams that dump money in the laps of players from 14 on up can have a league of their own. Winner plays the little guys for the WS.
"Losing teams find ways to beat themselves" Jim Palmer
someone got lazy in data entry
every team on that chart has its city as part of its name. then you get down to #s 27 and 28, and it’s just “Nationals”, “Pirates”. No metion of DC or Pittsburgh.
Oh, the DIS!
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
they exist on an abstract plane.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 12, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
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