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Not a lot of links on an off day. Plus, I got a surprise birthday dinner at Spago tonight, so I'm not stayin' up and looking ant the internets, if you know what I'm sayin'. 

The Associated Press: Trembley: Losing Uehara was too big a hole to fill
It's all Koji's fault.

Suffering Orioles fans see glimmer of hope in Wieters | Sports | Reuters
Reuters discovers Matt Wieters. Cheerio.

Coffey Gets Unprecedented Deal | Houston sports news
As mentioned by Stacey in yesterday's Open Thread, the O's blew $1M on a 22nd-round pick. I hope $1M can buy you a better tux, Cameron. 

This is your Open Thread.

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I was going to go to a midnight movie last night

but somehow fell asleep at 10pm and then, to compound matters, woke up at 3:30. Blech.

I went to the Star Trek Exhibition at the Franklin in Philly yesterday. If you’re a Star Trek fan, save your money. It sucked.

by PhilR8 on Aug 14, 2009 5:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Good to know

I walk by ads for that all the time and always wanted to check it out. I do still want to go the galileo exhibit in the next couple weeks before it closes.

by kba26 on Aug 14, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, it was disapointing.

I got a good deal on tickets since we are members of please touch museum(which used to be right next door to franklin) I’m not a huge Star trek fan but figured why not.. It wasn’t even worth the money. Luckily the kids were able to enjoy the rest of the franklin so it wasn’t a total waste, hopefully you did too, it is a nice museum..

July 29th What a GREAT day for pitching! Chris Tillman makes his MLB debut, and the Phillies get Cliff Lee, who just won a Cy young Award! SWEET!

by phillybmore on Aug 14, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I loved the planetarium

but that was about it. The place is geared towards middle school kids, so I don’t hold anything against the place. I just didn’t find it all that enriching of an experience. The gift shop was pretty much all candy and bouncy balls.

by PhilR8 on Aug 14, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Happy birthday!!

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Aug 14, 2009 7:36 AM EDT reply actions  

thanks. it was last month, but this part was an IOU. :)

"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009

by zknower on Aug 14, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good Morning and happy birthday

I’ll be at the Yard tonight to see Tillman for the first time since like June or July last summer in Bowie. It’ll be his first start in a (somewhat) packed Camden Yards.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Aug 14, 2009 9:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I'll be there as well

Get there early for the ‘89 O’s autograph sessions!

"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail

by duck on Aug 14, 2009 9:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

5:30-6:30, iirc

The players include former catcher MICKEY TETTLETON, outfielder MIKE DEVEREAUX and pitchers DAVE SCHMIDT and DAVE JOHNSON. All four players will sign autographs prior to Friday night’s game against the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, from 5:30-6:30 at the MASN Booth near Gate A on Eutaw Street. The signing is an addition to the Orioles Alumni Autograph Series, which the Orioles launched this season prior to each Monday and Thursday home game.

http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20090805&content_id=6257296&vkey=pr_bal&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal

"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail

by duck on Aug 14, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Happy Birthday!

Sounds like you enjoyed it!

July 29th What a GREAT day for pitching! Chris Tillman makes his MLB debut, and the Phillies get Cliff Lee, who just won a Cy young Award! SWEET!

by phillybmore on Aug 14, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

So, $1M for a 22nd rounder

Is this the O’s tossing their ring into the hat for a hard slotting system?

I’m thinking Mychal Givens and his agent are having some talks right now.

"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08

by CoachOfEarl on Aug 14, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions  

this just in

Nestor Aporicio is an idiot.

Where do I start?

  1. You let someone walk if they’re asking for way more money than their past performance justifies. Period.
  2. You let someone walk if they look like they’re going to have character issues. Working with someone’s agent for weeks and then having him pull the rug on draft day is a very bad sign.
  3. Andy said, “grow the pitchers, buy the bats”, not “grow everyone”.
  4. The Orioles have already demonstrated recently that they are willing to spend money on the right players. Matt Wieters and Brian Matusz are two clear examples.
  5. If they knew they couldn’t sign him, they shouldn’t have wasted a draft pick.
    Obviously they didn’t KNOW they couldn’t sign him, you idiot. Do you think they should be clairvoyant now? Do you not realize that they had to draft SOMEONE in the second round, and that with any players near the top, there’s a risk that they’ll go all Strasburg on you? Do you see how they locked up Matt Hobgood in record time?
  6. Givens seemed to feel he should have been a first rounder. He wasn’t. Oh, but he wants first-round money anyway! Get OVER yourself, kid, you haven’t played a day of professional ball yet. The money comes after you produce.

Nestor calls the Orioles “the worst organization in Major League Baseball”. Hack journalism, Nestor, as there are clearly several teams below them in that category, and the Orioles have obviously turned things around somewhat.

"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009

by zknower on Aug 14, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was going to say “If only we got the same pick again in next years draft, maybe it wouldn’t be such a waste,” but then I read the article. He even acknowledges the compensation pick (although plays it down by claiming its “down the line”), but in no explains how that doesnt mitigate things dramatically.

by kba26 on Aug 14, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

That compensation pick is huge

But it should be remembered that you dont get compensation picks for failing to sign a compensation pick. Meaning that you dont have as much leverage. So I guess you could expect to see that pick be a college junior and then maybe use our normal 2nd round pick on a tougher sign.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know how you can even stomach going to that website.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Aug 14, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

"the worst organization in Major League Baseball"

The Royals would like a word. Trading for YuBet was probably the dumbest thing this year, above Church for Francoeur and Milledge for Morgan.

They say that Givens wanted first round money, they should have given him the same offer that they gave Coffey. Oh, you wanted #6 overall money? Stuff it.

BA has a good article up on the Coffey signing:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=1498#more-1498

"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08

by CoachOfEarl on Aug 14, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Givens

I would find it hard to believe they didn’t offer this kind of money to him. If they were still well off in their negotiations (which they were), that says something about Givens demands IMO.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently they offered something like 750k

but I can’t find where I read that right now. Seems low for the pick level, but high for a light bat plus glove SS. No idea what his demands were, other than ‘substantially higher’

"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08

by CoachOfEarl on Aug 14, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

man

i totally forgot Koji was even on the team

by UMterp08 on Aug 14, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

We counted on him being the guy that was going to go out there every fifth day and give us a chance to win. He was going to pitch deep in the games.

When was Koji ever going to be the guy to pitch deep into games?

by kba26 on Aug 14, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not 100% positive

But I think today is SC’s wedding day.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Aug 14, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

A Friday?????

Who gets married on a Friday? Druids?

"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail

by duck on Aug 14, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do not, for one, think that the problem was that the band was down. I think that the problem may have been, that there was a Stonehenge monument on the stage that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarf. Alright? That tended to understate the hugeness of the object.

I really think you’re just making much too big a thing out of it.

Making a big thing out of it would have been a good idea.

"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009

by zknower on Aug 14, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1 Dozens of people spontaneously combust each year. It's just not really widely reported.

"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver

by Graham71681 on Aug 14, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not that uncommon

A nice evening wedding on a Friday. Although today might not be the day. It’s this weekend sometime.

The sister of a good friend of mine is getting married on a Friday in October at 4 p.m. 4 PM! I’m going to have to leave work early! Ridiculousness.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Aug 14, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Friday weddings

also save a chunk of change.

Now that I’m being dragged to look at venues and proposals regularly…

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go to the beach and get married! My wife and I went alone to Jamaica for a week and it was WELL worth it. No stress of family/friends/etc. Brought back a video and tons of pics. We woudl ahve taken the parents and siblings but her dad woudln’t fly so we left his ass at the house.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Aug 14, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Idea!

Me and my wife had the same idea, we flew to hawaii got married on a wed. afternoon and best of all nobody else was there so we enjoyed our wedding without the stress of family

"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver

by Graham71681 on Aug 14, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

I like the idea of throwing a party for your family and friends when you get married. Maybe I’m fortunate that my family is pretty civil towards each other, and even if we’re not super tight-knit, we genuinely enjoy each others company. I don’t think I could ever imagine getting married without being surrounded by family and friends.

by PhilR8 on Aug 14, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can sympathize, that was our plan until we decided otherwise

but I really didn’t imagine how much pressure both our our families put on us so we make the choice to just make it the two of us and after we got back we had a nice themed party for our family and friends

"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver

by Graham71681 on Aug 14, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Us too...

we did a reception for everyone with the families and a photographer.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Aug 14, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

the iggles signed vick!

like i needed another reason to hate the iggles.

"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 14, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

New super bowl prediction!!!

Browns over Eagles…in the end the Dawg Pound is just too much for Vick to handle!!!

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

no no no no no no

lions vs. browns

"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 14, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

i really can't respect iggles for signing vick

he’s a dog killer and monsterous asshole

"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 14, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

i really don't want to give examples the cruel ways he killed the dogs

"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 14, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

So don't

"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail

by duck on Aug 14, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think everyone knows, but thanks

Hopefully he’s been rehabilitated and can get on with his life.

by PhilR8 on Aug 14, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

thank you – I needed a good laugh today. that was just perfect.

rehabilitated…that’s really a good one

Only thing that dude’s even remotely remorseful about is that he got caught and it cost him so much.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although

To quote what i just heard on tv. He isn’t running for office, he is playing football. I agree with that, I just want to see good sports, his issues with the law are between him and the law. He should be treated the same as any non-athlete.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok well would ANY non-athlete get their old high-paying job back after being convicted of a felony? I think not.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not just any old slob, no

but a dude with some elite talent at whatever industry, someone would take a flyer on him/her.

by PhilR8 on Aug 14, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those guys often get hired the fastest

Hey you ruined our computer system, come join our side and make our security even better.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Mitnick was a true injustice in my opinion. But even though I can’t currently find sources, I’ve read that Microsoft hires hackers on a semi-regular basis.

by PhilR8 on Aug 14, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

They hired the guy first did the denial of service thing

Immediately too

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find hackers to be a little different than animal abusers, dui manslaughterers, etc. So you’re right it depends on the felony.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Depends on the felony, if it was theft probably not. If it was dogfighting then eventually somebody probably would after he paid his dues.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think so. I think the general public (and private companies) are more likely to forgive drug infractions than the disgusting shit he was convicted of. People don’t like animal abusers.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can agree 100% with that

Good people can get mixed up with drugs and in the case of hackers, if you can beat them pay them big money to help you but crimes against loving creatures is looked upon much much worse

"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver

by Graham71681 on Aug 14, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marion Barry

"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver

by Graham71681 on Aug 14, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

no your right its not the same

but you have to admit it pretty bad that instead of one person hiring you its thousands of people saying even though you were smoking crack we want you to run our city, the nation’s capitol

"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver

by Graham71681 on Aug 14, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I think most people could find work in teh same industry they were previously in after the same conviction.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Aug 14, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

with some exceptions

Sex offenders and teachers (especially elementary) will probably not happen. Accountants have to have clean records usually. And other professions like these.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

I know a guy that had 4 DUIs through high school and college. He teaches high school humanities and coaches now. You’re right…it probably wouldn’t happen 100% fo the time but I think it would happen a lot more than you think. And the whole pro athlete special treatment stuff is tired. If he wasn’t Mike Vick he probably wouldn’t have done 12 mos. much less teh 18 or whatever he ended up serving.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Aug 14, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is just absurd

The 4 DUI’s thing. Although one of my professors at college had a DUI and he was still employed (even though its a christian college and he was a religion professor). The dude was brilliant and very likable though, which is why he got away with it.

So you think Vick would have done less time if he wasn’t a star athlete? Interesting, there definitely would have been less activists at all his events. I dont think he got special treatment in either direction personally.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

If he’s just a black man in the middle of Georgia running a dog-fighting ring he does 12 mos or less. They made an example out of him. How anyone can believe he deserves more time than one of those guys like Leonard Little or Donte Stallworth who actually killed a person is beyond me.

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Aug 14, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

For example, Cheez Wagstaff

Bunk and Mcnulty would have been lucky to even get animal cruelty.
Most likely they were looking at improper disposal of an animal

by b_duardo on Aug 14, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won't be popular for saying this...

but the dude did almost 2 years in the fed pen, and not Club Fed, either.

Leonard Little killed a woman while DWI and got 4 weeks off from the NFL and no jail time. Ray Lewis, and I say this as a Ravens fan, plead guilty to a crime in connection with a homicide and got a $250,000 fine and didn’t miss a game. MIke Vick’s already lost 2 NFL seasons without pay. And yes, I have no problem with the fed sentence he was handed.

I think Goodell got Donte Stallworth’s suspension right as well. The courts only gave him 40+ days, but Goodell docked him a year without pay. But Vick did his time. If a team wants him to play, let him sign the contract. But I won’t be shedding a tear for the PR hit the Eagles will take.

"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail

by duck on Aug 14, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok I really think this is an ABSURD argument.

Little and Stallworth made single terrible, tragic, irresponsible decision that resulted in a horrific event.

Vick woke up every morning for years and consciously funded and operated a criminal enterprise.

I won’t get into the debate about the value of a human’s life compared to a dog’s life, but CLEARLY there is a difference in INTENT between a crime of irresponsibility and mistake and constant, deliberate, intentional criminal activity.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put me down as

DUI fatality = MURDER

"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail

by duck on Aug 14, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok well obviously the courts don’t agree.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The courts agree all the time

when the defendant isnt a professional athlete

by kba26 on Aug 14, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah.

That’s why it’s call manslaughter. Different thing entirely than murder.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to play this game called Vette

It was a racing game for the PC and came out back around 1990. It was one of the first games that allowed you to drive anywhere within a city; the premise of the game was to race a Corvette through San Francisco but you could pick your own route based on the geography of the city. I played that shit all the time.

Anyway, there were pedestrians in the game and you could actually hit them with your car by driving on the sidewalk. If you did, though, a cop would sometimes catch you and give you a ticket for “Vehicular Manslaughter”. The funny part was that after you got the ticket, they police just let you go and you could finish the race. I think the fine for killing someone was deducted from your race winnings.

by PhilR8 on Aug 14, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't remember

but it wasn’t enough to discourage me from driving on the sidewalk.

by PhilR8 on Aug 14, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let it be spoken

Video games can teach as well as entertain

"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08

by CoachOfEarl on Aug 14, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with all of this

Except maybe the Stallworth part, but I think he should have gotten 8 games based on precedent. Although I dont really care too much, he deserves to have to sit out.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Stallworth got unlucky.

Dude darted out in front of his car from behind a palm tree! The cops and prosecutor even said so.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its true

But thats why he isn’t still in jail. He also didn’t have too much to drink. I mean obviously he was above the legal limit (he had a 0.12 BAC) but it wasn’t like he was out there completely sloshed. 6 drinks in a 12 hour period or so. I do sorta feel for the guy because he wasn’t being reckless, but bad things found his way to him. Although he still put himself into that situation.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

You gotta be a defensive driver

You gotta be on the lookout for that sort of shit. Reasonable speeds, always observing your surroundings. Might still have happened if he was sober, but being drunk, however slightly, certainly didn’t help matters. He was also probably tired. Stallworth even saw the dude and tried to warn him, right? Then why was he going 50 in a 40 instead of slowing down to take some idiot pedestrian into account?

by PhilR8 on Aug 14, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The cops and prosecutor said the guy darted out from behind a tree in the dark directly in front of his car. Maybe a “defensive” and alert driver (are there any of those at 7 AM??) wouldn’t have killed him, but dude was going to get fucked up regardless.

It is weird that he tried to warn him though…I will say that…

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you have time to flash your lights

you have time to slow down and/or honk your horn. Things a sober/alert person probably would have done, although there are plenty of selfish assholes out there that wouldn’tve slowed down and would have dared the pedestrian to cross. Stallworth might be a little bit of everything.

by PhilR8 on Aug 14, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I almost think he’s lying about flashing his lights/honking his horn, because there’s apparently a video tape and the cops/prosecutor said it was unavoiadable, but if you have time to flash your lights/honk you’d think there’s time to avoid it.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think i heard that he did hit the breaks some

And alcohol obviously didn’t help the situation, but I dont think it was the root of the situation by any means. That being said, driving after drinking to that point is inexcusable.

It was just a weird situation all around.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is kind of a tangent of this conversation, but

one thing I never understand about rich people is why they drive themselves anywhere. I mean, I totally understand going somewhere and having drinks and not being rational enough to realize you’re not capable of driving safely. But if I were a rich person who knew I was going to go out and drink or do coke or whatever I had planned for that night, beforehand I’d just get myself someone to drive me everywhere. Like Paris Hilton or Lindsay Lohan out partying and crashing their cars, or the Stallworth situation, or anything like that.

You make millions of dollars a year! Just pay someone to drive you around when you want to go out!

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Aug 14, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

driving is fun

especially if you have the money to buy a beefed-up supercar.

by PhilR8 on Aug 14, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't mean all the time

I just mean when you’re planning on going out drinking or partying.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Aug 14, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

although that's not what I said, lol

but it’s what I meant

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Aug 14, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

This might be insensitive

but anybody familiar with The Pietasters? If so the song Drinkin’ and Drivin’??

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with Duck

Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt

by BPinOK on Aug 14, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

News flash

People who get duis generally drive drunk are usually repeat offenders who just happened to not hit anyone the other times they were drinking and driving.

They are both deliberate offenses by people who are not concerned with the consequences of their actions.

by GeoffreyA on Aug 14, 2009 6:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Newsflash

HUGE genearlization based on nothing but personal observation.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about that

I mean, it’s a generalization, sure, but probably pretty accurate. What are the odds that the very first time you ever drive drunk you get into an accident? It’s like when you finally get pulled over for speeding and get a ticket, how many times have you been a speeder? Was it really your first time? And do you really believe the knocked up 17 year old who swears it was her first time ever having sex?

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by Stacey on Aug 14, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

I guess you’re right. It’s still a totally unfounded statement though.

It’s also still completely different than intenntionally hurting and injuring. Their crime stems from mostly from arrogance (thinking they are above the law or that they can effectively drive drunk WITHOUT getting in an accident or hurting anybody). Vick’s crime were very much intentionally evil and hurtful and violent and disgusting. Nobody goes out drinking and driving thinking man I really hope I fuck somebody up on the road tonight – they go out thinking I’m going to have a good time and am fine to drive home. Vick went out to enjoy watching some dogs rip each other up and then kill the failures with his bare hands. It just seems inherently more intentionally evil than drinking and driving fatalities where nobody intends anybody to get hurt.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

So one guy kills because he's responsible and one because he isn't?

That’s your justification? Tell me, how often do you hear about the number of animals put down each year on the news? How about let’s say, how many combat animals has the military lost in Iraq?

Drinking and driving is habitual. People don wake up saying wow I shouldn’t have drivn last night I’ll never drive again drunk— they think the opposite.

I have on question for all of you who think this animal thing is worse than d&d. When you saw the story of the woman who killed like 4 kids and 3 adults cause she was drinking and driving what did you think? I’m not saying I support dogfighting because I don’t, but there are a lot bigger issues to worry about in todays world.

by GeoffreyA on Aug 14, 2009 6:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

huh?

I hear about the number of animals put down every year quite often – once a week or so since I see the euth lists from about 6 shelters. What does that have to do with anything?

I think intent is really important. Killing somebody while drinking and driving, while terrible and reprehensible, is not evil and coldblooded. A person is not intentionally hurting or killing.

As far as the lady who killed “like 4 kids and 3 adults” no I have no idea what you’re talking about, but it sounds terrible. But do I think that she’s an evil cold blooded person? No. I think you have to be an evil cold blooded person to kill a dog with your bare hands.

I don’t know what you’re argument about bigger issues vs. smaller issues is. I was talking about intent of crimes.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

because he's a lefty with a pitchers body and throws between 90 and 94

And he has a good changeup to boot. Also they were impressed with his work ethic.

I dont think Tommy John surgery is that horrible a thing anymore, there are still the pitchers that dont recover but they are definitely the minority. My biggest worry is that it was an issue with his delivery that will make this a recurring problem.

Why did the Angels give a huge bonus to Adenhart a few years back?

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by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why did the Angels give a huge bonus to Adenhart a few years back?

Very similar situation. Top high school prospect who suffered a serious elbow injury right before the draft and had already committed to college. No one thought he would sign, so the Angels took a late round flyer on him and threw a lot of money his way to get him to change his mind. We did the same thing, just more money and a later round.

by kba26 on Aug 14, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Adenhart was a better prospect than Coffey though

He as in consideration for #1 overall i think and Coffey was considered to be reaching 1st round level. Although Adenhart blew his elbow out on his last start so he had more time to improve his status before the injury.

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by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adenhart agrees with Duck too.

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by BPinOK on Aug 14, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by duck on Aug 14, 2009 5:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I had TJ - it's not nearly as minor as people make it out to be.

Obviously he’ll do a much better job with the rehab than I did, but his elbow will never feel the same ever again. A lot of guys come back successfully (although “recovering” can mean a lot of different things), but to give a big bonus to a guy with basically no track record coming off a very major surgery seems like an incredible risk to me. It’s different than when established major leaguers get TJ. He has to recover, get his arm strength back, learn how to pitch again (it’s really hard to re-learn breaking balls afterwards), and then make it all the way through the minors.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying its simple by any means

Its a huge injury but its one that with the proper assistance (and with the help of Dr. Andrews) you can become the same pitcher you were before the injury. This signing is a huge risk but any high school pitcher is a huge risk, hes just a greater one.

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by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true about any high school pitcher being a risk.

The rehab sucks – hope he’s a hard worker. Cool scar though (although not nearly as many chicks as I was expecting “dig scars” it turns out…).

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of the articles i read said he was a hard worker

Which is why the O’s ended up making the offer they did.

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by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

there’s really not much evidence than any type of mechanics lead to TJ. It happens to people with “perfect” bio-mechanics and it happens to people with horrible mechanics. It happens to people who throw sliders/splitters with really violent arm action and people who throw mostly fastball change up. It happens to people who throw way too many pitches and people who are really careful with pitch counts.

So I wouldn’t necessarily worry that any delivery issues will lead to a recurrence.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats good to know

I though that the upside down W and things like that lead you to greater risk.

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by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there are some things that can make you slightly more at-risk, but so many people are having the injury that a lot of surgeons have basically said that if you throw a baseball hard enough, often enough, and for a long enough period of time that ligament will probably tear.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

well that kinda sucks for pitchers

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by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 14, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah when I tore it I was throwing the least amount of innings and pitches that I’d thrown in the last 10 years. Pretty annoying.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 14, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyone here?

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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 14, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

So my girlfriend has been reading an essay collection called "The New Kings of Non-Fiction" edited by Ira Glass

One of the essays is titled “The American Man, Age 10”. The author, Susan Orlean, had been given the title by her editor and was supposed to write about Macaulay Culkin (this is from the early 90s) but she insisted that she instead choose someone herself. So she chose this typical ten-year old American Man named Colin Duffy and observed him for a few weeks.

It’s a really cute piece, and Colin says a ton of endearing things – he likes the idea of growing up because he can have a car and go get candy anytime he wants, he loves the idea of being married because it will allow him to sleep in his clothes if he wants to. Just silly stuff like that. Based on those silly notions, his father made this observation:

…living with Colin is like living with a Martian who has done some reading on American Culture.

And that,

by PhilR8 on Aug 14, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reply fail

I had been searching for a way to describe you, BSF, and that quote pretty much sums it up.

by PhilR8 on Aug 14, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Talk about 'grow the arms'

"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08

by CoachOfEarl on Aug 14, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

...

I went through the draft selections, by position, (boring Friday afternoon at w*rk), and it seems that AMs philosophy is pretty clear:
Position / # signed / highest round

OF: 10 (8) Harris
SS: 2 (2) Givens
3B: 2 (31) Flacco
2B: 1 (13)
1B: 1 (3) Townsend
C: 4 (6)
P: 30 (1)

"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08

by CoachOfEarl on Aug 14, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Josh Bell #3 on BA's Prospect Hot Sheet

Dr. J posted this as a fanshot but since people rarely look there I’ll point it out here: http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2009/268713.html

No. 3 JOSH BELL, 3B ORIOLES
Team: Double-A Bowie (Eastern)
Age: 22
Why He’s Here: .500/.577/.864 (11-for-22), 2 2B, 2 HR, 5 RBIs, 4 BB, 3 SO
The Scoop: The day he was traded to the Orioles, Bell became Baltimore’s third baseman of the future. But he’s put an exclamation point on that by hitting .462/.548/.769 in his first eight games in Bowie. It’s worth also noting that Bell’s glovework impressed Southern League managers, a group that voted him the best defensive third baseman in the league. The only wart left on his game is his complete inability to hit lefthanders, which makes him a switch-hitter in name only. He has 13 home runs this year, and all have come from left side. Going back to ’07, when he made his full-season ball debut, Bell has hit 33 home runs from his strong side—and only one from the right side.

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by Stacey on Aug 14, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Marc Hulet at Fangraphs liked him too

In his ’Trade Deadline Prospects Ranked" pieces. These rankings are among the prospects traded in July, not organizational. I meant to put this up as a fanpost before, but heh.

3. Josh Bell, 3B
From Los Angeles NL to Baltimore

Prior to the 2009 season, Bell’s pro career could have been categorized as "promising" but he had yet to put everything together. The former fourth round pick out of a Florida high school has improved by leaps and bounds this season despite making the big jump from high-A to double-A. He also missed more than half of the year in 2008 due to injuries. On the ‘09 season, Bell is currently hitting .296/.386/.494 with 11 homers in 334 at-bats. The 22-year-old has also banged out 30 doubles. Bell’s approach at the plate has certainly improved. After averaging a walk rate of about 8.6 BB% in his first two seasons, that number has improved to about 13.6 BB% in the past two years. His strikeout rate is also down almost 9% over 2008 (29.9 to 21.0 K%). If the Orioles club can find a one-year stopgap for the hot corner in 2010, Bell should be ready to play full-time at the MLB level in 2011.

14. Steve Johnson, RHP
From Los Angeles NL to Baltimore

It’s been a slow climb through the minors for Johnson. The former high school drafted pick has struggled with his command and control throughout his career. He’s also working hard to improve his secondary pitches. Johnson spent the majority of his time in the Dodgers’ system this year at high-A, where he allowed 94 hits in 96.2 innings. He also posted rates of 3.91 BB/9 and 9.50 K/9. Prior to the trade, the right-hander made two double-A starts. His stuff would probably be better coming out of the bullpen (He can occasionally hit 93 mph as a starter), where he could focus on one secondary pitch to go with the heater. His ceiling is that of a set-up man or No. 4 starter.

"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08

by CoachOfEarl on Aug 14, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope one of these guys pans out

b/c Sherrill has been lights-out for le doyars

by wishEYEhadCRABS on Aug 14, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i noticed a dude

in an Orioles jersey in the crowd of the Tonight show! fun fact.

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by WestcoastO'sFan on Aug 14, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

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