Orioles sign Mychal Givens
by Markakis and Wieters 4 Life on Aug 17, 2009 11:26 PM EDT
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A little surprising... bonus terms haven't been anounced yet
{Edit} Jim Callis from BaseballAmerica.com is now reporting that the bonus is at 800,000 dollars
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=1702*
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bal-osdraft0817,0,1319980.story
"The Orioles went down to the last few hours, but have come to terms with their second-round pick, high school shortstop Mychal Givens.
Terms were not announced, but Givens, reached by phone 90 minutes before the midnight deadline, said he was eschewing a scholarship to Oklahoma State University to sign a contract with the Orioles.
It was a tough decision, Givens said. Its good for me and my family. I can spend another year around here.
Givens has not yet undergone a physical with the Orioles, but said it was being planned by his representation.
Givens, who was considered one of top high school players in the country heading into his senior season at Plant High in Tampa, Fla., dropped into the second round, but apparently was seeking first-round money.
Orioles amateur scouting director Joe Jordan cut off negotiations last week, but they resumed this weekend.
I cant wait to get to the big town of Baltimore and meet the fans and have support of the fans, Givens said.
He is expected to stay near his home in Tampa and begin instructional league this fall in nearby Sarasota, and have spring training there as well. Being able to stay close at home with his 16-year-old brother and 14-year old sister for several more months instead of going to Oklahoma also played into his decision, he said."
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So much for that failure!
Good stuff.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
From Dr. Orpheus
Orioles sign 2nd rounder Mychal Givens
by Dr Orpheus on Aug 17, 2009 11:32 PM EDT
How does that happen? Last I heard Givens had decided not to accept Joe Jordan’s offer, and now he signs. We heard that Jordan was ready to move on and dole out the big bucks to 22- and 11-rounders instead of focus his time and energy on Givens, a guy he felt had mislead him on draft day.
This is a very weird turn of events.
Dan Connolly broke the story.
No word on the contract numbers or any official announcement, but Givens was reached by phone by Connolly and confirmed it. So, that’s that. Givens is now an Oriole.
Some will say that Givens is now the shortstop of the future, but, really, who the hell knows? He’s fresh out of high school. Just like Hobgood, don’t get your hopes up.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I love
“I can’t wait to get to the big town of Baltimore.” Hee! When he said that I thought he was from some podunk town, but he’s from Tampa, that’s not a little town.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
B-more city is way bigger than Tampa
but the Tampa-St. Pete metro area is huge compared to the B-more metro area (but i suppose tiny compared to B-W metro).
So, yeah. Weird.
Balmore is bigger than
whatever podunk city OK state is in.
by uneasy rider on Aug 18, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
weird
here is the tweet i got about 2 minutes before this post went up:
oriolesbuzztapBirds Watcher >> O’s Will Not Sign Givens http://bit.ly/sUxOn
It'll be interesting to see how big the bonus is
Would be great to hear that Givens took Jordon seriously and came back with much lower demands.
Ask
And ye shall recieve:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=1702
$800K
Jordan went all in and Givens folded.
Great to see that the O's are spending money where it absolutely needs to be spent
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
I agree, though I'd still love Sano
by Markakis and Wieters 4 Life on Aug 18, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Matzek went for $4 million
We could have held off on these guys and binged on Sano/Matzek, but I still like that everything went well tonight.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
I'm upset about Matzek...
But is he worth more than Hobgood/Coffey/Berry? or something like that… I rlly don’t know if we could of signed all the other guys we did if we got matzek.
by Markakis and Wieters 4 Life on Aug 18, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Well that's what I'm saying
You either take a signable guy in the first, and a few potential hidden gems in the 20s, or go for a high-potential, high chance of success guy in Matzek/Sano, or maybe even both if you let Givens fall along with Coffey and Ohlman.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
IDK, with the way prospects are so risky
I’d love the star player, but it seems better odds to get more solid players… we’ll see how some of the others do though
Jordan remarked that they actually went over there budget (I won’t be able to find it though but I remember reading it recently)
by Markakis and Wieters 4 Life on Aug 18, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm really interested to see how Hobgood vs. Matzek looks in a few years
Its usually the better bet to put money towards the blue chip prospects than going cheap (Wieters was a much better investment than Moskos, the pick before him). Because even though you are paying more upfront you are getting a better product.
However, I dont think JJ viewed Matzek as a much better prospect than Hobgood, if he did at all. Baseball America’s rankings are not always correct and if Hobgood turns out to be better than Matzek then JJ comes out looking like a genius. If not then hopefully some of these other picks will ease our pain.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
My theory
Is that Jordan may have seen Matzek as the more explosive/higher upside arm, but Hobgood’s mental makeup and durable body, along with low demands, combined to be the better overall package.
Matzek may have been viewed as the better raw talent, but maybe only marginally, and Hobgood may have been seen as more likely to be a solid starter even though his ceiling isn’t sky high – kind of like Matusz.
That guess is completely unsubstantiated and just what I’ve gathered from looking at this issue for a few months.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
I agree with this
Jordan really values character. I think thats also why we signed Coffey, apparently he has a good makeup and a good work ethic. Hopefully its a good strategy.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Character doesn't translate to talent...cough...Billy Rowell
by No More Steroids Please on Aug 18, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Some teams are finally figuring out that character ...
… does matter.
San Antonio has understood this for years. Kevin Pritchard, who came out of the SA organization, is following that blueprint with the Portland Trailblazers.
Dan Snyder probably doesn’t know the meaning of the concept.
If I had to guess, Andy McPhail does.
hakkaa päälle !
Billy Rowell was never thought of as a high character pick, was he?
My impression has always been quite the opposite.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
Matzek and character from KLaw
Zach (Brookeville, MD): Thoughts on the Orioles Draft? Wouldn’t it have been better to reallocate the money they spent on later round talent (Berry and Coffey) and instead chosen and signed Matzek over Hobgood?
Keith Law (3:21 PM): I would have done that, certainly. I understand the Orioles had makeup concerns on Matzek.
Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.
If that’s the case, we should have never drafted B-Rob.
Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.
It's not his fault he's so pretty!
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Jacob Turner
I think Turner will turn out to be the second best pitcher out of this draft class, behind Strasburg.
by No More Steroids Please on Aug 18, 2009 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Matzek went for $4 million
WOW. Matzek was bluffing big time. Man, we should have taken him.
Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.
Yeah
For what he was demanding on draft day? No way. For what he got? Probably worth it.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Honestly when i read his scouting report
I thought it was another Adam Lowen, although he could have been good if he was not injured or signed to that dumb major league deal.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Great Great Great Signing
simply fantastic. Was this our entire 1st 10 rounds plus a bunch of big later signings? That’s huge. While I still can’t dig the top of our draft (Hobgood), this should really fill out our lower level minor leagues.
I think we didn't sign our 8th round pick
Can’t remember his name, but he’s an OF
by Markakis and Wieters 4 Life on Aug 18, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Devin Harris
Not the Nets PG but some other kid. And yes I only remembered his name because he has the same name as the Nets PG
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Pure Madness
I thought there was no chance of him signing (even though I heard he didn’t want to go to college and that kinda thing.) I’m still concerned about his makeup but we didn’t break the bank and he has really high upside so i’m glad we got him.
I guess if SS doesn’t work out he can pitch then, he has a weird delivery and he has a good fastball.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 12:28 AM EDT reply actions
Does anyone have a list of all the guys we signed?
by Markakis and Wieters 4 Life on Aug 18, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions
If you all forgive the OH link
http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83063
Some of them may be a little nutty in the head over there but they stay up on this stuff much better on these minor league things than I do.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
I figured that they would resume talked after clearing the salaries of ZAUN and Huff, offer $1-1.5M, late first round money, and maybe get it done that way. Wow.
How do you think he feels about signing for $190k less than our injured 22nd rounder? I’d feel like firing my agent, personally.
"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08
I dunno
There’s just something about this kid that I like, has the speed and consistent contact ability to be a leadoff hitter and he also has the arm to be a great shortstop or maybe even a pitcher.
by No More Steroids Please on Aug 18, 2009 2:26 AM EDT reply actions
There's more I don't like...
We’ve been led to believe he’s already deceived the organization, they don’t think he’ll ever hit, he thinks he’s better than he probably is, and he didn’t stay true to college commit. With high schoolers you typically see them as overwhelming offers to get signed.
by GeoffreyA on Aug 18, 2009 5:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The college committ doesn't bother me.
I mean, the kid just got offered an almost $1M contract, and he’s supposed to say, “Sorry, I already promised to play for free somewhere next year?”
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
Its common practice to commit to college first
Just look at our other pick Hoppy, he was already on Bucknells football website. Or look at the #3 overall pick Tate, he was already at football practice. Actually I think OK state was never expecting too see Givens play there (although they would have loved for him to).
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
As far as him thinking he's better than he is...
Give him some time with a wood bat in his hands against professional pitchers and we’ll see what he thinks. If he plays well enough to warrant his arrogance then great.
Wow
people sure went from trashing this kid to praising him in a hurry. I guess a thread saying “we arent signing him” gets different responses than a thread saying “he’s one of us”
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
I know, right
I find it hard to pass judgement either way on any kid who’s just 18 years old. I mean, remember when you were 18 years old?
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
You always figure they'll grow up at some point
But generally the way to cure an 18 year olds attitude problems doesnt involve giving them nearly a million dollars.
agreed
i remember when i was 18 years old. i worked at target. not quite the the 7 figure salary.
look at all of those teenage movie/tv stars. getting millions sure did wonders for their attitude probs. most of them ended up on drugs.
by twistedlogic on Aug 18, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know what you guys are talking about
So because he’s a possibly immature 18 year old the Orioles shouldn’t have signed him for a fair price? Seriously? The kid was considered a first round talent but fell due to concerns that he wouldn’t be sign-able and would go to college. $800K is a very fair price for him and in fact less then the Orioles spent on some picked after him.
But by all means, the Orioles shouldn’t have given him almost $1M because it will only spoil him and keep him immature. Never mind paying for his talent.
And if you think that he was the major force behind wanting first round money and holding out, I have to say you’re wrong. I’m sure his agent and his parents had something to do with it, and I don’t blame them. The odds are that any given draft pick isn’t going to pan out and it might be his one chance for a big payday as a baseball player.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
i was a damn fine cashier/electronics sales floor extraordinaire
and i was only paid 6.50 an hr. not exactly paid for talent…..
by twistedlogic on Aug 18, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Excellently obtuse argument
How many people have the talent to play professional baseball? How many people have the talent to run a cash register?
How many people will pay $50 to watch someone run that cash register? How many people will buy merchandise with said cashier’s name on it?
Seriously, people.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Thank you
The scarcity principle of economics is lost on the unwashed masses.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
You mean no one's going to buy my line of
Target cashier t-shirts?
God dammit.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
you have no idea how well i ran that cash register
my line moved as swiftly as brian roberts down the basepaths
by twistedlogic on Aug 18, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean you were the laziest cashier ever?
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
how could you say something like that??
target is the epitome of high class and excellent service.
that and i was the only person who spoke english, so i was actually able to read the computer and such
by twistedlogic on Aug 18, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I certainly wasn't making a comment on Target
I was making a comment on Brian Roberts, the lollygagger.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I'm not saying we shouldn't have given him the money
Just that if there are attitude and work ethic issues, those dont necessarily go away just because he ages a few years. And giving him millions of dollars potentially makes it less likely. People have speculated that is one of Rowell’s big problems. He got paid and decided to stop working.
I'm wondering
His work ethic and character issues keep coming up but I have yet to see them documented anywhere. I hate to slander the kid, so if anyone has anything to back this up please feel free to post it. Otherwise maybe we should drop it so that we don’t become part of the rumor mill.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Givens
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I cant seem to find the Roch article anymore
But a lot of it seems to come that he supposedly hasnt been working out or practicing since being drafted, and that was a red flag for Jordon.
Since I cant find the source anywhere I’ll lay off it, but I still think what I said about giving huge bonuses to teenagers hold true. Being handed that much money at 17/18 isnt going to help keep the ego in check.
Here is the bit on him not doing anything with baseball since being drafted
Givens said he hasn’t done much baseball work recently.
"I’m just resting right now, staying away from baseball a bit," Givens said. "I’m hanging out with family and meeting up with friends and people I won’t be able to see for a while.
I dont know if its a huge issue because I know how much baseball these people have to play. But I would hope that at least he could get in a few reps a week or something. I still think its a red flag though.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont know why
The quote block didn’t work completely right. That next paragraph should be quoted as well.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The salary will be what the market will bear.
No more, no less. His “advisor” cut the best deal he could. Was he supposed to take less because he’s 18, not 21?
His talent has a value, and apparently, it’s $900,000.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
Well, on eteam at a time.
There’s always next year. Or 3 years, if you’re a HS senior.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
New information changes minds
Going from ’he’s not going to sign for less than $3M (or whatever, we didn’t know the figure)’ to ’I’ll take $800k’ substantially changes the facts.
If someone offered me $8 to not go to OK, I’d take it, every time.
"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08
They've probably never been there.
I drove through the state a few times travelling to a summer job in Arizona from MD. Pretty state.
hakkaa päälle !
Sorry, I've been through it
Just not a fan, nothing personal. Mayonnaise is not a salad dressing, people!
"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08
Holy Fuck!
You live in LA?!?!?!
A guy that lives in LA is banging on OK? Yeah, OK…that makes sense.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
You know, clean air IS kind of overrated...
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
Louisiana, duck
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Known for it's sparkling clean water...
thanks to being downstream of, oh, half the nation, and full of chemical factories that occasionally leak or spill things, but those things are totally safe. They are in everyday products!
"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08
It's not
like we’re arguing which beach resort is the best :)
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
True
We have terrible beaches, unless you like mud.
Our food is better, IMO. And yes, I did get mayo on a salad when I drove through OK.
"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08
That's just weird...
mayo on a salad. I’ve never heard or seen that anywhere. Now ranch dressing I would believe. You do have us on the sea food. But going to the source for a steak is always better.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Then he shoulda said so!
There’s only one LA in my world. :)
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
In his defense...
if somene offered me $800K TO go to OK, I’d go. If someone offered me $800k to NOT go to Miami, I wouldn’t go. I don’t think it’s a MidWest hatred deal…
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
Yeah...that's Louisiana not Los Angeles
and it was $8.00 not $800K. I’d go or not go just about anywhere for $800K.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Didn't somebody say that he hasn't really done shit since the draft?
As far as working out, playing, practicing, etc? I really didn’t like the sound of that.
That is what I heard
I dont like the sounds of that either, but if he works hard after he gets into the system then i’m fine with it.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Practice?!
You wanna talk about practice?!?
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
You didn't go with this???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exOxUAntx8I
Ever since this got posted here, I watch it at least once a week.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
Ive never seen that
and its A-MAZ-ING.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
The only place I heard that
was here, and I don’t remember who said it. There definitely wasn’t a source cited, though. I’d love to see if it’s actually been documented somewhere.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
yup
And posted the link above and i’ll do it again, just because
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks
meeting up with friends??? FUCK THAT! Dude better be eating and sleeping in the batting cage. Asshole.
I’m only sort of kidding…
If he doesn't want to
Then there is somebody else who does who is more than willing to pass him on the way to the Major Leagues.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Givens too young
Mychal Givens is way too young to be drafted out of high school. Yes, he has good stuff, but he didn’t even go to college. The minors will give him time to get up to speed with the Major Leagues, but it’s a whole different league. His arm is great, and I think the move of Short Stop or Third Base will be a good place IF he makes the MLB.
He's the same age as other people drafted out of high school
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
True
But he’s just not the kind of guy who I think you invest your future in.
by br0nxb0mbers23 on Aug 18, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Is 800K really "your future"??
Doesn’t really seem like that big of a deal to me. They gave more than that to a high schooler coming off TJ surgery…
Why are you even on this site?
your screen name is bronx bombers and you have a yankee logo as your picture. Dont you know there is a blod for yankee fans where you can state random opinions or THEIR 2nd round signings?
Actually
I think he is old for a high schooler (19 years old). And if he moves off of SS I dont think he ever becomes anything in the major leagues since i’ve read that his defense is what makes him this highly rated.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
unless he can take that defense to 3B
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
He'll need to learn how to hit
His bat is the big question
"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08
I dont question his defense at third
Since it’s considered “easier” than SS. But as CoachOfEarl said, his bat is the big question, and you can get away with a sub-par hitter at SS much better than at 3B. From what I have read, i dont think his bat will play at 3B.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 19, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
True, and Pitcher is out of the question
He doesn’t have the arm for a major league pitcher, and I will be interested to see where they put him. Outfield is also out of the question because being a pitcher, he is not used to throwing the ball a long way. Second Base seems the safest bet at this point.
by br0nxb0mbers23 on Aug 19, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Third Base sounds good
Being a ptcher in high school, he had quick reactions from line drives coming back at him. He would be a good fit for the hot corner.
by br0nxb0mbers23 on Aug 19, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions
His defense is actually good
if you want to believe the people that watched him play every day in the Southern League instead of a bunch of dipshit internet posters.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
Look at the front page, there's an article posted about him.
Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.
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