Tuesday Open Thread
by zknower on Aug 18, 2009 5:45 AM EDT
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Deadline deal: O's, Givens agree to terms -- baltimoresun.com
The Orioles went down to the last few hours but have reached terms on an $800,000 deal with their second-round pick, high school shortstop Mychal Givens.
Other signings include #1 pick Strasburg (Nationals, 4 years, $15.1M), #2 pick Ackley (Mariners, 5 years, $9.5M), and #3 pick Tate (Padres, terms undisclosed, $6.25M bonus).
Keys' Britton fueled by success of other young arms -- baltimoresun.com
This was Zach Britton's organization before it was Brian Matusz 's or Chris Tillman's or Jake Arrieta's.
MASNsports.com
Roster moves: The Orioles have optioned reliever Matt Albers to Triple-A Norfolk and recalled pitcher Kam Mickolio. Another move is predicted tomorrow today involving 1B Michael Aubrey
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i didnt think ole strasburg was going to sign
guess he took notes following aaron crow
by twistedlogic on Aug 18, 2009 7:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand walking away from 8 figures
but i’ve never been (or thought I was) that good.
"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08
by CoachOfEarl on Aug 18, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
8 figures is enough to retire on at any age. Therefore i dont know how you can turn it down.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally!
Happy Albers Sent Down Day!!
by NewYorkOriole on Aug 18, 2009 7:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who am i gonna make fun of now tho?
melmo bashing has gotten old….
by twistedlogic on Aug 18, 2009 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
melmo bashing
is ALWAYS stylish.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 18, 2009 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not make this move before Monday night's game?
We certainly could have used a fresh arm. I wonder if there would have been logistical problems getting Kam to Baltimore in time. Oh well.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
by Brotz13 on Aug 18, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either Schmuck or Roch said
that Mickolio had just pitched the on the 16th so they wanted to give him a day between. Although I looked at his game log and he just pitched 1 inning on the 16th and didn’t pitch the 14th or 15th so who knows.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 18, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
List of all O's draftees who signed
By Dean Jones, Jr. I know someone linked to the OH post that shows it but this one is just a lot prettier and easier to read. Doesn’t include dollar amounts, but does have an update on each of the 29 who signed.
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/minors/blog/2009/08/updates_on_the_orioles_2009_dr.html
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 18, 2009 7:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dagnabbit...
in brief defense of steven bumbry, i’d like to mention that while the sun focuses on his .224 BA, it should be noted his OBP is .374
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 18, 2009 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i meet bumbry at a restrurant
or was it paul blair? who ever it was he was very friendly and glad to see some o’s fans.
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a nicer looking list
And Bluefield should tear up next year with all these young guys. I love how we used this draft to fill out the low levels with tons of high upside guys.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roster moves: The Orioles have optioned reliever Matt Albers to Triple-A Norfolk and recalled pitcher Kam Mickolio.
That is the best news I have heard since they dropped Suck Hill.
by Johnny_S on Aug 18, 2009 8:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
By the way
Whats up with Hernandez? In his last 4 starts he has given up 8HRs and in his 8 games before that he had only given up 4 HRs. Has he been hanging out with Guts too much? Or is out pitching coach teaching bad things to these kids?
by Johnny_S on Aug 18, 2009 8:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think its more of he really only has a fastball
and generally you need to throw more than that to get people out
by twistedlogic on Aug 18, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't been watching him that closely
But I thought he had a pretty good change-up. Is that just a lie?
by Johnny_S on Aug 18, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he does
but its not really fooling any major league hitters
by twistedlogic on Aug 18, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought his change up was his worst pitch
as it doesn’t have that much movement.
His fastball and his curveball are his best pitches but he tends to pitch up in the zone which is why he has so many fly ball outs. So if his location is off at all the game can turn into a hot mess in a hurry.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 18, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he should back off the speed a bit and work on his control and pitch location. I thought after his last game with 6Ks we were going to see him emerge. I suppose he did give up 2HRs that game and was just lucky no one was on base.
by Johnny_S on Aug 18, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it doesnt really matter what his worst pitch is
he has to be right on at all times which, IMO, is not an effective strategy for becoming a shutdown guy
by twistedlogic on Aug 18, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope the nats introduce strasburg on thursday
i’m going to see them play colorado that day
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Michael Aubrey is expected to be called up before todays game.
Let’s see what this boy can do.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Aug 18, 2009 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So what is up with Jones?
His post AS numbers have been pretty bad for a budding star.
After a good start – pre AS
BA: 303 OBP: 357 SLG: 481 OPS+: 123
he’s followed up with
BA: 244 OBP: 293 SLG: 463 OPS+: 95
It’s a story that hasn’t gotten much air time (to my knowledge). Jones struggles with anything that curves. I guess I’m not surprised that the veterans have tanked it. But Jones, Markakis, and Wieters are supposed to be the core of the future, besides the pitching. Wieters needs to get a season under his belt. Jones has that and I’m not sure how concerned we should be.
by drj on Aug 18, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It hasn't been the entire 2nd half
More like he’s been SO cold over the last 13 games that it makes his entire 2nd half line look mediocre. In the past 13 games he’s hitting .179/.217/.286 with a double, a triple, and a HR. He’s walked 3 times and struck out 8. Before that, in the 16 games right after the break he hit .299/.356/.612 with 3 2B and 6 HR. So it’s really more of a 13 game slump than a 2nd half slump.
He does have problems with breaking stuff but he’s gotten better since last year and hopefully he’ll continue to improve. He’s always going to strike out a lot; that’s just who he is.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 18, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the beginning of the
season, Adam seemed extremely focused on laying off “junk”…he just would not offer at pitches (particularly curve balls) out of the zone. I think he has lost a bit of that focus and has returned to his semi free-swinging ways. Goes to show that even the brightest and most energetic of young players can be worn down by consistent losing.
And just for the record, I completely disagree with the call-ups made recently. Chris Tillman should have finished the year in AAA, and Brian Matusz should be in Norfolk now. It seems that the philosophy of not rushing our prospects went completely out of the window for some reason. I would rather see our useless AAAA players (Pauley, Waters, etc.) filling this time than watch our youngsters lose more confidence each day. I think that the front office did it in an attempt to drum-up fan interest during an otherwise horrible season and I can only pray it doesn’t backfire in the near future…
by sickuvitall on Aug 18, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with pretty much all of this
I don’t know that he’s worn down by losing. He doesn’t seem to be. More likely it is his natural inclination to hack away and he has to work constantly at it and from time to time he will slip back into his old patterns.
As for the young guys, I don’t know why you think they are losing confidence. No matter when you brought them up they were going to struggle. The difference between good major league hitting and good AAA hitting is huge.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 18, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is hard for us
as fans to truly understand what the grind of a bad season can be like for a ball player. I really believe that Adam and many of the other people who have been there all year (and in years past) have to experience some type of late season let down.
To say that the youngsters were going to struggle no matter when you brought them up is one of the largest assumptions I have ever heard.
by sickuvitall on Aug 18, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's expected
that when a younger pitcher comes up there will be a period of adjustment required before he reaches his stride. Look at the rookie pitchers who’ve made their debuts this year: Hanson, Bergesen, Porcello, Brett Anderson, Cahill, Zimermann, etc. All had great minor league numbers, and with the exception of possibly Hanson all have struggled at times at the ML level. Bergy has come along nicely but he had some real clunkers to start. And as for Hanson, yes he’s very very good but I’d argue that he’s probably been helped by the fact that of his 13 starts, 8 of them have been against losing teams and one of the winning teams is the Giants who can’t hit to save their lives. Even so, he would be the exception for 2009, not the rule.
Time will tell if any of those pitchers will have long term success, but the fact of having a period where they struggled and had to make adjustments is legit, and I’d bet you’d find similar numbers if you looked in past years.
I’m not saying you can’t rush prospects; of course you can. I just don’t think that their confidence is what we should be worried about.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 18, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would also bet...
that to a man, tillman, matusz and hernandez would all tell you that they’d rather be losing and learning in the majors than winning in the minors.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 18, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with most of that
minus the “worn down by losing” part. you have to hit well to win. however “slipping back into his old patterns” is not a good excuse.
maybe the young guys arent losing confidence, but they sure aren’t looking so good to me right now.
by twistedlogic on Aug 18, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's not a good excuse
But it’s a viable reason other than this alarm that people are constantly sounding about how the players don’t play hard when they’re losing.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 18, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd rather it's the latter
first of all, i don’t care what anyone says, it’s obvious there is some sort of morale decrease every year down the stretch, and it’s also obvious that that morale decrease leads to uninspired play. how much it’s there can be debated, but the fact that it exists can not.
second, while i don’t wish the players would phone it in some of the time in august, i’d far rather that’s the explanation than, “adam will slip back into his old patterns if he doesn’t work at it constantly”. because that would mean he’ll never really grow out of it in his career.
winning games with better personnel can curtail the august tailspins (just compare the red sox from the 70s and 80s to those of today). but a player who can’t make good habits permanent is going to be a disappointment.
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
by zknower on Aug 18, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair
However, when I said “work constantly at it” I really meant at this point in his career. I guess I wasn’t clear. And I agree that losing takes a toll but it seems to me that some people cling to that like it’s the reason for everything.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 18, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It kind of seems
Like he has been swinging for #20 (I am stealing someone else’s words, sorry I don’t remember who said it) since he hit 19, which was coincidentally 11 games ago…
by Johnny_S on Aug 18, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's tailed off a bit longer than the past 14 days
I’m not going to try to cherry pick time frames. Just looking at baseball-reference, his past 28 days (one of their splits) have been a struggle. The one possible bright spot is his BABIP is .235 over that stretch, and that should get better. I do recall a MASN quip where they stated that Jones himself said he was being too aggressive.
I guess I’m just pining to see some power in the future lineup. Deep down, I don’t believe that MacPhail and Angelos will really splurge and “buy the bats”. I take “buy the bats” to mean they’ll hope to get lucky with another 2008 Huff type of signing, not a real masher.
by drj on Aug 18, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well sure
It’s easy to pick any timeframe to suit the purpose, because any one or two bad or good games tacked onto the end of a time frame won’t affect overall numbers much. I actually looked at his game log and after the AS break his OPS went up pretty steadily until from the first game back against Chicago until it hit .860 (16 games), then it’s been going down since then, currently at .816. So there was some method to my breakdown. But to deny he was super hot coming out of the AS break is absurd.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 18, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
He’s gotten away from thinking about right center. When he was going good he was driving balls to right and right center, but now he looks awful pull-happy to me (even in situations where going to the right side would really be helpful). Hopefully he’ll pull out of it.
I hope it’s not that he’s swinging for #20 (I think I was the one who brought that up – I heard it on the radio).
by O'sFan21 on Aug 18, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what do move(s) should we make in free agency?
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
can we get a decent back-up catcher?
because even god matt wieters has to take a day off
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Moeller's fine.
It’s no more than a day or maybe two a week, not that big a deal. We have worse problems.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Aug 18, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about mr. synder and mr. bell?
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are prospects. We NEED, IMO, a guy at 1st who can hit around 35HRs. “Grow the arms, buy the bats.” Clearly, we need to buy at least one or two bats to truly compete. I don’t see much that is truly desirable till 2011 though.
by Johnny_S on Aug 18, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
a la adrian gonzalez
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes please
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Aug 18, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote Sal Fasano as backup!
B/c Sal is just kick ass.
On a side note, our fantasy baseball traveling trophy is named “The Sal Fasano Excellence Award.”
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Aug 18, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
None?
There aren’t any good moves to be made, not in terms of acquiring the corner IFs we need. I’m not sold on Chone Figgins and certainly not on Adrian Beltre.
"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008
Adam Jones is the tits.
by KenDixonFanClub on Aug 18, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least if we signed Figgins
He would stop DESTROYING us head-to-head for eight or nine games a year. That’s worth a big free agent deal, right?
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
by Brotz13 on Aug 18, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only according to the Jims.
Figgins is going to get WAY more than he is worth from someone. Hopefully it won’t be the Os.
"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008
Adam Jones is the tits.
by KenDixonFanClub on Aug 18, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see...
…us take a shot at DeRosa, Crede, Beimel or Ohman, and we ought to take a run at Lackey or Hudson if we think we can get Hardy or someone else who can play short for Guthrie. But I don’t really think anyone else is worth it.
by James F on Aug 18, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Killing time by reading Roch's blog comments
Here’s one frustrated, reasonable voice in the wilderness:
Roch,
Is it just me or is everyone that comments on this blog retarded? People seem to ask the same questions daily and typically try to point out faults with people and exploit simple comments from you. People have to find problems and complain with anything that they can find. Kyleproboller up there is complaining because they actually signed their second round pick? If they didn’t he would be on here saying how terrible Andy and Joe are for not getting this done. I don’t know how you do it Roch, but these people would drive me insane.
Nick, whoever you are, preach on.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
by Brotz13 on Aug 18, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don't know how Roch can read through them all
And I’ve seen him comment at least once on someone else’s comment that he had to do a lot of editing just to make it family friendly. I don’t know why he takes the time; I would just delete it. But I do know the annoyance that comes along with people complaining that you’re squashing their right to free speech from this blog, so maybe it’s just easier for him to go along with it.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 18, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that what interns are for?
some 20 year old from UMBC ought to be wading through that crap for college credit.
1933 was a bad year
by Senatorrosewater on Aug 18, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Total draft spending
The Orioles have spent a little under $8.8ƒ million in signing bonuses for their 2009 draft class — believed to be the second-highest total in club history.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bal-osdraft0817,0,1319980.story
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think this is good
we are signing more prospects no matter what the cost.
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what was the first higest spending?
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure
But my guess would be the 2007 draft. Wieters and Arrieta cost $7.1 million between them.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's amazing, though...
that’s not even the cost for one year of a marquee free agent and we could have several future contributors in that bunch.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 18, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about Huff?
No mention in this forum about the Huff waiver-wire deal? Kinda a big deal since its $8 mil of the books and forces Scott to learn 1B (to kep wiggy in the super utility role). Also, Huff only warranted a 6’6" A-ball RP in return?
by bigity b on Aug 18, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its right on the front page
and I believe Aubrey is getting called up for tonights game at first base
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
by Graham71681 on Aug 18, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is Michael Aubrey
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
by Graham71681 on Aug 18, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ONLY warrented a 6'6" A-ball reliever?
How much do you think 40 games of Aubrey Huff is worth? We got back an actual prospect, not some organizational filler BS that has no shot at breaking AAA. Based on Huff’s numbers this year and the fact that the Tigers got him for about 1/4th of a season, it was an absolute haul.
Of course, you’d know that if you read the full thread all about it.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Aug 18, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this just in
BRET FAVRE IS NOW OFFICIALY A VIKING!
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, now I'm not so glad we cut him! Oh wait, that's Albers...
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Aug 18, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this just in!
expect the vikings to miss the playoffs! and also lots of mid-season drama as brett’s INTs rise
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
by zknower on Aug 18, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can imagine a vikings-ravens super bowl
PURPLE
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That train...
goes through Pittsburgh my friend.
by Johnny_S on Aug 18, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah but that train is a frieght train
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I think the Steelers’ D is equivalent to a train too.
by Johnny_S on Aug 18, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or even freight train
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
by zknower on Aug 18, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man i hate typos!
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when it's an "ee" sound
when it’s an “ay” sound (usually in front of a gh) it’s pretty standard for it to be ei
weigh
inveigh
neigh
reins
markeikis*
*not really spelled that way
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
by zknower on Aug 18, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah well
This is why I am in a technical field and not journalism.
by Johnny_S on Aug 18, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and this well be one of my challenges when i become a journalist
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look on the bright side
There might not be any more newspapers by the time you’re old enough to work.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 18, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
big brother will own the media
by twistedlogic on Aug 18, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It goes through
NJ as well. Maybe Favre can throw another pass to Corey Webster.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Aug 18, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just in!
Brett Favre is a tool, and I hope he experiences much the same season that Tom Brady had last year.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
by getxstoked on Aug 18, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so does that mean Madden is gonna come back so
he can wax poetic about Favre
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
by Graham71681 on Aug 18, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
boom
i think he might…BOOM
/sarcastic/
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brett Favre's Greatest Moment
was probably in “There’s Something About Mary”
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on Aug 18, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I'm in town to play the Dolphins, you dumbass."
Indeed.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
by OEutaw on Aug 18, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its awesome
The NFL is more fun when Favre is in it. The retiring stuff is annoying, but I like watching him play (as long as its not on my team). Also, its not final until he passes a physical, but its about done.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Aug 18, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does anyone ever fail a physical?
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Although it happens a lot less when it comes to high profile guys like this because they already know his issues before they sign the deal.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
something tells me you really liked watching him play in '08 NFCCG
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are correct
My bro-in-law is also a huge Packers and perhaps even huger Favre fan. This is tearing him apart. It’s like if Cal went to the SF Giants or someplace random for a year and then went to the MFY’s. Its rough, but hilarious.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Aug 18, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the solution
cheer for the player but hope his effort can never amount to a win.
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DAMN IT
Why Farve, just retire for good. I guess he will only be gone once nobody is willing to sign him. Only then will we be free of him.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can imagine an onion story
Brett Favre age 87 is considering coming out of retirement yet again after playing for every NFL teams and CFL team, he now looks to the UFL for a team will to sign the man with 3,240,000 Interceptions.
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't follow football....
but wasn’t there a big furor early in the year about how he wasn’t coming back? Will this guy ever make up his mind?
by NewYorkOriole on Aug 18, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no not really
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a relief
Nothing keeps me up at night like than the annual “Will Favre return” story.
I’m shocked, I thought he was really serious about retiring this time.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 18, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
by zknower on Aug 18, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is that a picture of?
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing Cassablanca
But I don’t get the reference either.
I got to say I’m not a fan of the movie (I realize some consider that blasphemy).
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 18, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Casablanca
Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?
Captain Renault: I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
[a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]
Croupier: Your winnings, sir.
Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.
by typozzz on Aug 18, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this.
in response to
I’m shocked, I thought he was really serious about retiring this time.
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
by zknower on Aug 18, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
amazing...
i just sort of thought you had to have at least seen casablanca to quote old capt. renault.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 18, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nestor's take on the Givens signing
At least the commenters are calling him out.
by PhilR8 on Aug 18, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who was the last draftee signed out of HS that made their way up to the bigs?
to play for the O’s that is, not bothered which team did the drafting
not a trivia question, I’m genuinely curious :)
by mpire on Aug 18, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know Tillman and Adam Jones both were right out of HS
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
by Graham71681 on Aug 18, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is probably someone I'm missing, but...
Adam Jones was in 2003 and Tillman was drafted in 2006.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 18, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Tillman
That was my first guess and I looked it up and it was right.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Nestor's great
He was also ranting about how Aubrey Huff said the worst thing ever by calling Baltimore a “horseshit town” and that he basically stole $22 million from us and he’s so glad he’s gone.
It must be sad to not be able to let go of one stupid thing that a player said 18 MONTHS AGO.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
by Brotz13 on Aug 18, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a player
who then went on to win MVP of the team last year.
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
by zknower on Aug 18, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and a silver slugger.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 18, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ken Rosenthal says it looks like Trembley will be gone...
…after the season, and thinks that is the wrong way to go.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9950706/Seriously,-who-would-do-any-better-than-Trembley
by James F on Aug 18, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with him
I know people call for his head a lot, and I do think that he has a lot of problems, but for next year I say keep him. I find his fierce loyalty to his players admirable.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 18, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that I can have....
…a meaningful opinion here – there is just no way to really know what the manager is doing in the clubhouse. We need to be stronger with our fundamentals, esp. the baserunning, and the lineups aren’t always optimal, but I’m with David Pinto in thinking that the difference between the best and worst lineups are usually pretty small.
But at the same time, I don’t know that there is anyone better than Dave out there, and the examples of Dusty Baker and Jerry Manuel demonstrate that we could do much, much worse.
by James F on Aug 18, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
And I think there is something to say for having some semblence of stability for team leadership.
I’ve grown a little tired of replacing our manager ever two and a half years.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 18, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think trembley should stay.
he is way familiar with all these kids and at this point, that’s a plus. pick up his option year, reserve judgment for 2011. he should need to show some demonstrable progress for 2010, since he will have some decent pitching, and a lot of guys who were up this year should theoretically take a step forward.
i’m also leery of “dave must go!” rants. you can’t advocate for someone to go until you know who will replace him. in my mind, mazzilli, perlozzo, etc were far worse.
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
by zknower on Aug 18, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
I mean, I’ve got certain beefs with DD, but until you have someone lined up and actually willing to take the job, you can’t just call for his head. I would have taken a 10 year old roast beef sandwich in trade for Perlozzo, but DD is doing well enough given the hand he was dealt.
Do I love the hit and run? No. Do I love the bunting? No. Do I think he’s 100% about winning? He’s no #4, for sure. I think all of those years in the minors groomed him for his current position, he’s great I think at dealing with adversity. I liked his funtamentals approach but it doesn’t seem to be working. I’d like to see someone better in his and Crowley’s positions, but until we actually find someone better, keep them there.
And I’d like to see what he can do when we actually are competitive. We’re still focused on development. With our pitching staff, we aren’t built to win.
"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08
by CoachOfEarl on Aug 18, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
take as an example
the extra-innings marathon game from sunday.
the O’s are down 4-0 after an inning and a half, but they come back.
they are down 8-6 in the bottom of the 8th, but they scratch their way back again. then they hang tough for 3 more innings before Albers serves up a shit sandwich.
do you think that kind of fight happens in 2005 or 2006? no way. trembley does not let these guys quit, and they play hard for him. i’m not sure i’d want to mess with that.
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
by zknower on Aug 18, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Than the Dusty
who will ruin your young pitchers.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
by getxstoked on Aug 18, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thought of Dusty Baker getting anywhere near
the O’s young pitchers just made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.
by MattR on Aug 18, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they hired Dusty, the only choice would be for CCers to pool our money
to have him whacked. we just couldn’t let that guy near our young pitchers. no no no no no.
"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008
Adam Jones is the tits.
by KenDixonFanClub on Aug 18, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how much of a role did he have in in the collapse of mark prior?
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone else...
feel bad for reds fans? volquez is hurt, cueto and bailey stink…blame dusty?
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 18, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Jay Bruce's broken wrist
and Willy Taveras batting leadoff everyday
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
by getxstoked on Aug 18, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Joey Votto has an anxiety disorder
Although he seems better now, and he’s awesome.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 18, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and as soon as they get Scott Rolen he goes on the DL
or just getting Scott Rolen for that matter
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
by Graham71681 on Aug 18, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think my big question is
why is this team so streaky and random? We sweep the Phils in their park, and get destroyed by the entire AL west. We’ll get 4runs in 3 games, then get 16 runs in one game. It seems like we suffer from bad momentum but can’t keep good momentum going. I feel that this falls under leadership.
To me, I can’t figure out if they’re fighting for 4th place or a high draft pick.
Also, I would like my manager to understand sabermetric principles.
"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08
by CoachOfEarl on Aug 18, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pudge Rodriguez to thr Rangers for two mid-tier prospects
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
by Graham71681 on Aug 18, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Homecoming
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
I’d rather have Teagarden than Pudge.
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Aug 18, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does anyone know?
what the name of dr’s walk up music and who wrote it?
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Which do you mean?
When I went earlier in the season he had a different song than he did a week ago.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Aug 18, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
both please
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure.
I’ll try to find my Orioles Magazine, as it had everyones songs listed in one of the issues. But I honestly have no idea. I was just wondering what you meant. But I’ll try to find the name of at least one of the songs.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Aug 18, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MVP by Ludacris is one of them.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Aug 18, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing you mean Adam Jones
last year it was Lollipop by Lil Wayne. Dont know this years off the top of my head.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Aug 18, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He changes it up
I’m pretty sure that the last time I was there it was Turn My Swag On by Soulja Boy. I feel like he often uses Lil Wayne or Soulja Boy. I haven’t heard Lollipop this year so he must be done with that.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 18, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per Roch...
The Orioles have purchased the contract of Triple-A Norfolk first baseman Michael Aubrey, the former first-round pick of the Cleveland Indians who was acquired earlier this summer for, yes, a PTBNL.
Aubrey batted .287 with 13 doubles and 23 RBI in 44 games for the Tides and .290 with 29 doubles and 52 RBI in 101 combined games between Norfolk and Triple-A Columbus.
Aubrey was the 11th overall pick out of Tulane University in 2003. He will wear No. 9.
If you’ve lost count, Aubrey will be the 19th player to make his Orioles debut this season.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Aug 18, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
19?
Rooks – Aubrey, Bergy, Wieters, Reimold, Tillman, Matusz, Kam, Berken, DH, Koji
New to Os – Dino, Hendo, Moeller, The Claw, Izzy, Wiggs, Pie, Suck Hill, Eaton
Is that right?
by Johnny_S on Aug 18, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy hell!!
19 debuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is that a record like the one with 1888 cubs/white stockings
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 18, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then who are you missing?
’Cuz that list was 19.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Aug 18, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he played for us at the start of his career, so I don't think he counts.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Aug 18, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it, I can't think of another person.
thinks hard
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Aug 18, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FREEL!!
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 18, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RIGHT!
How could I forget Mr. Concussion?
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Aug 18, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep i just found it too
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
by Graham71681 on Aug 18, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So on the current 25 man roster
11 have played for the O’s this year, 14 haven’t. That’s just weird.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 18, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha, hilarious.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Aug 18, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait
to form an irrational attachment to Michael Aubrey. Deal with it!
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 18, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just realized...
We’ve got an Aubrey (Huff) leaving and a (Michael) Aubrey arriving. Baltimore loves Aubrey?
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Aug 18, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems to happen alot
I remember BJ Surhoff leaving around the time of BJ Ryan and Cal Ripken leaving around the time of Calvin Pickering (ha, remember him?)
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Aug 18, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i remember him when i thought he was gonna be a good player
but then he just decided not to be
by twistedlogic on Aug 18, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the rangers have agreed in principle for a trade involving pudge
by twistedlogic on Aug 18, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh damn
somebody already mentioned that
by twistedlogic on Aug 18, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grats on the Givens signing, O's fans
He looks like he could be quite a player.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
by NHZ on Aug 18, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know I've been blasting this guy..
But the only positives I’ve read about him have been on this site after he signed?
by GeoffreyA on Aug 18, 2009 6:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
He does not excite me. I still hold to that, although for $800,000 the price was reasonable so I dont mind it. He has upside, and here is an article that says very nice things about him.
http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/articles/DisplayArticle.aspx?article=624
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 18, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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