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Red Sox 18, Orioles 10: Solution to "September Swoon?" Lose all games in July and August as well.

The Orioles scored 10 runs today, and still managed to lose by eight runs. It's pretty impressive, actually. Also impressive is Jason Berken extending his streak. He now hasn't managed a win since his major league debut on May 29th. Berken hit an all time low today, allowing 6 ER on 7 H and 2 BB in just 1.1 innings. His completely useless self was followed by a parade of ugliness, with Brian Bass, Matt Albers, Mark Hendrickson, Cla Meredith, and Jim Johnson combining to give up 12 more runs.

The most frustrating thing was, after the Red Sox put up 7 runs over the first three innings, the Orioles offense exploded for 6 runs in the bottom of the third against Clay Buchholz. Just like that the Orioles were back in the game, but just as O's fans started to feel a glimmer of hope, Brian Bass and Matt Albers gave it away. The Red Sox scored 7 runs in the top of the 4th and the game wouldn't be close again.

The O's offense did what they could, led by Adam Jones. AJ went 3-4 with a double, a HR, and a walk. He knocked in 3 and scored 3. Ty Wigginton also had a great day at the plate, going 3-5 with a HR. Wiggy played 3B in place of that cry baby Melvin Mora and if he keeps hitting like he did today Melvin will never get back on the field. Altogether the Orioles offense combined for 10 runs on 15 hits. They hit 4 doubles and 2 home runs. They took 6 walks. Only the catcher position didn't contribute a hit. But with pitching as bad as it was, they might as well have saved it for another day.

The O's end their home stand at 2-5 and now head on the road for four at Detroit and three at Toronto. If Luke Scott can't get himself going against the Tigers, then I fear all hope is lost.

Poll
Who was today's Most Birdland Player (MBP)?
Adam Jones (4-5, 2B, HR, BB, 3 R, 3 RBI)
218 votes
Brian Roberts (3-4, 2B, BB, 1 R, 1 RBI)
3 votes
Ty Wigginton (3-5, HR, 1 R, 2 RBI
15 votes
No One. Losers find a way to lose.
116 votes

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trust me it's not worse than losing to the royals.........

Yes!

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by raysfan81 on Aug 2, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

It might be

See my post below. (Sorry about the self-plug.)

by fishoutawata on Aug 2, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

makes sense

Yes!

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by raysfan81 on Aug 2, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can lose to KC too.

that has been shown.

1933 was a bad year

by Senatorrosewater on Aug 2, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would rather lose to the Royals

Losing to the MFY and PHN really gets under my skin because of my deep hatred for these teams, the arrogance of their fans, and the way they are allowed to outspend their opponents.

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 2, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

"If Luke Scott can't get himself going against the Tigers, then I fear all hope is lost."

I can certainly relate. Melvin pouting, Luke hitless, DD self-destructing once a week, our lineup has a giant whole of suck in it when they both play.

I just hope the light at the end of the tunnel isn’t a train.

"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail

by duck on Aug 2, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

This is so earily familiar

The offense waking up just as the bullpen, which had been holding us in there when there were no runs to be had, irretrievably breaks down. Those guys are cooked, and the only way this doesn’t play out in sickeningly familiar fashion is if Sarfate, Ray and Mickolio (sp?) can jump in and steady the ship.

As for Bberken—are we done yet? Assuming he is still considered a legitimate prospect, can we get him out of here before he does himself some real damage? I assume Chris Waters is capable of losing just as well, and wont cost us a possible future starter by doing it.

by fishoutawata on Aug 2, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

We can't get rid of Berken

Who the heck would we replace him with? We are already struggling to line up a rotation with Bergesen on the DL. Any one we would boot him for might end up being worse (is that possible?)

by John Stephens on Aug 2, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Waters?

Who cares really. Either you think he’s still a prospect and you send him down before he destroys his confidence, or you don’t and you get him out of here to try ANYBODY else other than him. I think he’s still a prospect and just need to go down and get back to a different game plan.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

aaa/norfolk

or 4A, if you want to be cheeky.

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Aug 3, 2009 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah we can

Right now we have Berken, Guthrie, Tillman, Hernandez, Matusz. When Bergesen gets back just put him in there for berken

www.snaorioles.com

by Jordan Tuwiner on Aug 3, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Officially make Wiggy the new starter

You give him PT, he’ll end the season with an ~.800 OPS. The man has a pretty consistent track record. Nothing spectacular, but leagues better than anything Mora can put up at this point. Might as well get him used to playing everyday since thats looking like the most probable scenario for next year.

by UMterp08 on Aug 2, 2009 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

i left after the 6th

bandwagon nation drives me nuts.

"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 2, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I can't believe I stayed for the entire game

The Sox fans were absurd. It was like they were a parody of themselves. Disgusting.

But there was a hilarious moment. These little kids (Sox fans) had been making up cheers and getting these meatheads (also Sox fans) a couple rows ahead and next to me to cheer along. So one of the kids goes “When I say Boston, you say Sox! Boston!! —” and the meatheads went, “Sox!!!….hey, wait a second…” And then I and the smattering of Orioles fans nearby laughed and laughed and kept up the cheer: “Boston!! Sucks!! Boston!! Sucks!!”

by O Nina on Aug 2, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

oh that's great stuff

i had someone sitting in front of me, she was talking to the sox playerss like “Nice hit Youk” and it was in non-cheering tone. LIke they were ger own children. or something.

"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 2, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have to agree with this

Long time reader, first time poster.

I went to this game, as well as the Saturday game with the bf and some good friends from NH (all PHN fans). I could handle all the fans coming. I could handle the cheering. I was pissed off by the inflatable balls. And when practically my entire section started singing Sweet Caroline while baseball was being played, I wanted to punch everyone I saw in the face. I honestly would have preferred Yankee fans at that point.

Loved your story, btw.

by JF13 on Aug 3, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome to CC!

"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law

by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, and welcome!

Ugh, yeah, those inflatable balls didn’t make it up to my section, but I could see them. It’s like the whole thing was just a big ol’ party for the PHN fans. Well, props to us for at least going to the game (or games, in your case) and showing our dedication.

by O Nina on Aug 3, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our usher managed to grab one and danced around with it. It was hilarious.

by JF13 on Aug 4, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

ZAUN flipping-pricless stuff.

I have a feeling he went in the clubhouse and made the guys some of his Enchiladas.

"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.

"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson

by O's21girl on Aug 2, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

the first time ZAUN went to the monud for berken

i’m pretty sure he was asking what do you want in the ZAUNchillada?

"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 2, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we stop with the negative attitude on birdland..

What did you guys think the young kids would just show up and everything would be magically cured? The team is playing with some resolve at least… They’ve shown us they don’t just roll over and die. I’d much rather see that than a bunch of hapless losers giving up like it seems some of you fans are— “losers find a way to lose” give it up already…

by GeoffreyA on Aug 2, 2009 7:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I'm optimistic about the future

But that doesn’t mean today’s game wasn’t hard to watch.

By the way, the fans who have given up aren’t on this website. If you want to hear nothing to but cheerfulness all the day long, I don’t know what to tell you.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Aug 2, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know what to tell him...

Don’t come here.

That, and “I don’t wanna grow up, I’m a Toys R Us Kid….”

Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."

by dayzd toe on Aug 2, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll keep it in a mature discussion level..

Let’s say you buy a ford car. Someone tells you fords are a piece of junk and will always break down when given the opportunity. Now you get ur brand new car an every few times you drive it it stalls. Some ppl would say “damn u guess bad cars always find a way to break down” or someone else says “well let’s look at the engine and realize that a simple part may be out of place that would really change how the car ran”. That’s the point were at with the Os. Several good parts, a few bad and some VERY misplaced parts.

All I’m saying is that if you didn’t expect some of these problems with the young kids, you’re extremely naive. I’ve bee stationed overseas for the better part of 2 years and ive found myself more and more attached to things from home such as my hometown teams. Does that mean I look through rose colored glasses? No. But it does mean I step back and try and get a better handle in where we are compared to where we should be. Seeing the team fight back late in games in way more important at most of these kids stages in their career than a win here and there. If you can’t see it, sorry.

I’ll end with this— look at the rays a few years ago, all te young talent in the world but no path to success. Then they got into those huge hbp/ brawls with the Yankees and it turned that team around.

by GeoffreyA on Aug 3, 2009 8:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah but that car is brand new

Our “car” has been stalling out for many many many years. We’ve gotten parts before in the past with promises that it would help the stalling, but our car keeps sputtering.

Hope is just around the corner, yes, but I still think its naive to ask everyone to remain 100% positive every second of every game.

by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

my car stalls at speed under 50, and overheats if it's stopped.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Aug 3, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is there no forum immune to the bad metaphor?

If your brand-new car has a “misplaced part” in the engine, you better be calling up warranty service and screaming at the dealer for ripping you off.

by SteelBirdFlyer on Aug 3, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats kinda what i wanted to do with rich hill

although im not 100 percent certain that i wish to have garrett olson back on my team

by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously

You’ve never dealt with the Audi dealership in dover de.

by GeoffreyA on Aug 3, 2009 3:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dover, DE?

You from around these parts?

Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."

by dayzd toe on Aug 3, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still around?

Or have you moved on?

And by the way, I wan’t really making fun of your name, that was just the first thing I thought of when I saw it. My wife worked at Toys R Us while she was in college for a very brief time. Everytime I see that giraffe I ask her if he’s really that tall. Sorry about that.

Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."

by dayzd toe on Aug 4, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the second time someone has said this

But, since when are people not allowed to be negative when your team suffers frustrating losses? Clearly, people who are fanatical enough to post on an Oriole blog are not giving up on their team.

Everyone is optimistic about the future, but not everyone has to remain positive this year when we give up 18 runs in a game.

by John Stephens on Aug 2, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've got to disagree.

Rolling over is exactly what the team is doing. Why won’t they pitch inside? Why is Pedroia allowed to step out of the box after every pitch? Why is Ellsbury hitting like .500 off the O’s staff? Why is Felix Pie in the mother-loving 2 slot? why do we hit into so many fucking double plays? Why can’t we throw first pitch strikes? Why can’t we throw 3rd strikes? What are our starters averaging? 5.0 innings per start? Why are we still talking about fundamentals and blowing routine plays?

If you look around the majors at teams who are winning, they’re doing a lot of very noticeable things that we are not. Its pretty much the definition of rolling over.

1933 was a bad year

by Senatorrosewater on Aug 2, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd prefer

a good Benitez beaning. Those were the days…

Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pie

Felix got on base twice today in five PAs. That’s what #2 hitters are supposed to do. His overall numbers are bad, but throw out that shitty April. and he’s .300/.347/.457. He’s getting the job done in the 2 hole.

by mrjavascript on Aug 3, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

no i didn't

but i was hoping albers would come in and get at least a FEW outs

by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know what...this actually is not that bad

If step back and realize we ARE rebuilding I am not to upset about this loss. We know that in 2 years our pitching rotation is going to look completely different, so hopefully we will not have to see games where we give up 18 runs.

Anyway, with our offense scoring 10 runs against the Sox is good stuff. Most of our offense pieces are pretty much set in place for the future. And seeing them being able to explode for 10 runs against the Sox is good stuff (granted Beckett shut them down yesterday). Being able to score 15 runs in 3 games against one of the AL front runners is a good sign.

I tend to get more pissed when our offense looks bad compared to our pitching. The pitching will be here soon enough. Maybe I am just being too optimistic though.

by John Stephens on Aug 2, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Ik it's not all buttercups and daisies..

But I also understand that no matter how frustrated I get, it’s a rebuilding year so I try to look at positive progression from games more than negative. Two years ago, we don’t make any sort of come back… Prolly even last year. The lineup isn’t set anywhere close to what it’ll be next year so I take a lot of the production with a grain of salt. Having huff bat in the middle of the lineup (or even Scott at this point) provides no protection for the guys before them. Like it or not, being protected in the lineup is a huge factor in production ( case and point, look at reimolds aa-aaa stats before he had wieters behind him).

I know were all frustrated but I have to work with all red sox and yankee fans, when I come to this board I hate reading the same stuff they are talking trash to me. So yes, I spose I’m venting in that aspect.

by GeoffreyA on Aug 2, 2009 8:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Voted Miss Piggy

for giving Dave another reason to keep Melvin on the bench. I’m surprised he hasnt gotten more support for that.

Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

me too voted for Wiggy

Go Wiggy!

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Aug 2, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently 5 people agreed with us

at least so far. Oh well. At least I can always count on you Stacey! Well… except for the times when you disagree with me. But all the other times, I can totally count on you 100%! Woo!

Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

god damn it i hate the red sox.

and red sox fans.

and losing to them all the time.

by Y Not on Aug 2, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Just to throw it out there Cla actually pitched great today.

He gave up one hit and then Huff decided to “Roger Dorn” a groundball (that was ridiculously scored a double rather than an E3). He should have had two scoreless innings.

The other guys were god awful, but he was good.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I def. like the Salazar trade

solid relief help for org. filler? Yes please.

Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.

by daveh873 on Aug 2, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You see he got PH go-ahead run scoring doubles the last two nights?

I kind of hope he works his way into that lineup on a regular basis.

by O'sFan21 on Aug 2, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

I metioned that somewhere else. I like seeing him on ESPN

Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.

by daveh873 on Aug 3, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

First post!!!

I wont make it long – but I have to say one thing and hear everyones comments on it:

We got a good nucleus of players, some rookies, some vets – however, I feel this team will ultimately never fully play to their level until we get a top notch manager in here. I’m not bashing Trembley and i know the guys are playing hard for him. I just feel the team will turn the corner when we have a new sheriff in the dugout, one whom can really right this ship.

Thoughts?

P.S. – I read this area everyday for the recap – i dont even read the recaps on yahoo/espn anymore. thanks for the entertaining posts, the lovely comments, and being real.

by luvmymeg33 on Aug 2, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

How about a new manager AND a new pitching coach?

I doubt it will happen this year (at least the latter), but what would it take to get Palmer as a pitching coach?

by Fred Sanford on Aug 3, 2009 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

what's your problem w/ kranitz?

just curious.

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Aug 3, 2009 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I realize that I may be overstating the case

But perhaps young pitchers would respond to a “name” major leaguer who can communicate and who has proven success. Not all pitching coaches, of course, have such credentials, but after hearing for way too long about what a genius Leo Mazzone was, with no discernible results on the pitching staff, I can’t see how Kranitz is a huge upgrade.
Correct me if I’m wrong.

by Fred Sanford on Aug 3, 2009 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

This has been a frustrating week for me as an O's fan (minus the Tillman start)

and I just stopped watching right after the PHN’s 1st inning clearing of the bases to make it 3-0. Bash me all you want, especially since we made it a game at 7-6.

Nice game from our offense, Doctor was great, Niko upping his RBI total, Wigs making his case to be the everyday (time to try to ship Mora off, or just dump him (sorry Memlo)), and Brob with 3 hits.

Time to Berken to go to AAA. But 3E’s trip to the DL makes it even more difficult. I am sorry, 1-9 does not cut it in my book, dude is going out there with no confidence, and then his numbers are definitely not showing anything. People may say “With whom do we replace Berken?” Well, imho, anyone… Waters, Pauley, Mitchell. Someone that might make a few starts, and surprise us with a couple of wins. The big league hitters haven’t seen them (remember Waters last year?), and they might be able to pitch well in their first 2 or 3 starts. Then again, they might not, but what do we have to lose? Well, baseball games, I guess.

IT doesn’t really help that we have to go face Verlander, Jackson, Washburn, and Porcello. But who knows, maybe Scott and Mora finally wake up against the team they do very well against.

I guess I have to keep thinking about the future to keep myself optimistic. Please, please, please, do not just give the rest of this season up, Os. I hope Doctor, Brob, and Niko finish strong, Huff picks up, Wigs does well in replacement of Mora, Wieters flirts with .300, Bergesen gets healthy, Tillman/(Matusz) can get some nice starts, and who can forget Nolan Reimold.

Sad weekend, but Go O’s

by Timmy L. on Aug 2, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

speaking of nick

why was he left out of the “offense doing what it could” section with 3 rbi?

by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because I hate Nick Markakis

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Aug 3, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

you do?

"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 3, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, again, invest in one...

"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail

by duck on Aug 3, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."

by dayzd toe on Aug 3, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahahahahahahah

will there be an flubber in this preview?

by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I find it really hard to vote for no one with this kind of offensive production

Just because we got shelled doesnt mean none of the hitters deserve the vote. Adam Jones had 3 runs, 3 rbis, and was a triple shy of the cycle. Hard to blame him for Berken and the rest of the pitchers ineffectiveness.

by kba26 on Aug 2, 2009 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Definitely

Adam was Birdland today.

by Timmy L. on Aug 2, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a perfect exampbl

Back in the day when the Orioles were a good team, I used to comment how a good team always seems to find a way to win. If the pitchers have a bad day, the hitters explode and pull it out. If the bats fall silent, the pitcher throws a gem. So this is what a bad team does — finds a way to lose.

But better days are on the way!!

"Killing a Yankee fan -- is that illegal in this state?" -- Homicide Life on the Street

by BirdFanLA on Aug 2, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Voted for Adam Jones, but really want Wiggy out there.

I listen to games on 105.7 and when I heard all the pre-game drama that Mora created saying “Maybe it was time he moved on” I was like no *hit Sherlock! Bad enough that your slumping and not pulling your weight all season. No. You had to make a villain out of the manager that defended you all season.

Ty Wigginton
As for Berken. I would rather see him back in AAA and another AAA take his place. At this point he isn’t improving and while he may be working hard he isn’t getting anything out of his time in the rotation. Liz? Maybe? Yes it frightens me also. Maybe Simon then?

As for all the young pitchers. Even 3E is due to get rocked when he gets back. I’ll be saddened when it happens but hardly shocked. TIllman and Matusz really are stop gaps at this point. Even Andy Mac Phail said he didn’t want to promote Matusz. Honestly if Tillman goes 5 innings and only gives up 3 runs against Verlander it has to be considered a success. As for Matusz I just hope his ceiling doesn’t drop becuase of his promotion.

"Just like an a**hole! Everyone has one and it's usually full of *hit!!!!" -Warren Sapp

"People have been listening to Jim Palmer talk since before I was born because he is right. Sit down, shut up and listen to what he has to say."- I said it so bite me.

by O's_Watcher on Aug 3, 2009 3:59 AM EDT reply actions  

WHy would Bergesen not continue his excellence?

It’s a shin bruise. He was put on the DL for largely precautionary reasons. There is not a 7 day DL that we can place him on.

I will not sit here and let you say that our best pitcher is not going to be good!

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Aug 3, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

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