Thursday Open Thread
by zknower on Aug 20, 2009 5:45 AM EDT
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LOTS to read this morning!
O's to evaluate Scott at first in coming weeks -- baltimoresun.com
Luke Scott figures he has the next six weeks to show the Orioles whether he can play first base at the big league level.
3B Prospect Bell Rolling with Baysox - CarrollCountytimes.com
In his first 12 games as a Baysox, Josh Bell has gone 16-for-43 (.372) with four home runs, and Kevin Goldstein thinks he may be the O's best position prospect.
Right Off Russell " Blog Archive " Interview with Zach Britton
Right Off Russell spent a few minutes with O's prospect Zach Britton and got his thoughts on his current success, pitching with Brian Matusz, and his buddy Jake Arrieta.
The Toy Department: Catching up with ... -- baltimoresun.com
Was there ever a closer like Don Stanhouse, the big right-hander with the Harpo Marx hair, the wacky demeanor and a knack for making every save an adventure?
Wieters knows what Zaun brings to Rays | raysbaseball.com: News
"He was a great influence on me," Wieters said. "To hear from him was huge. He's definitely a good influence and a good model that I got to learn from."
Bumbry sees game change over years | Penn State News
Al Bumbry holds forth on then vs. now. A GREAT article.
Reno Aces: Isotopes rough up Cabrera in win | rgj.com | Reno Gazette-Journal
Fans of the Reno Aces, AAA team of the Arizona Diamondbacks, got a crash course in Danny Cabrera.
Telegram.com - Are Sox headed on a fade route?
When I was growing up, the Red Sox were most famous for collapsing every year. What the Red Sox are going through now sure looks familiar.
2009 Vote For Hottest Wife In Baseball | Fantasy Baseball Dugout
Brian Roberts' wife, Diana, is currently well behind the pack in FBD's The hottest baseball wives of 2009. Show her some love.
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Wieters says that Zaun was a great influence
Which I expect is just PC shit anyway, and Zaun claims that he left Wieters on his own, which I don’t find a fault with anyway as Matt seems like an extraordinarily mature young man.
Anyway, if Zaun was actually a mentor, which he had to be, then I don’t get the trade.
We got nothing in return, and traded away our productive backup catcher from next year who costs nearly nothing.
I’m not too concerned as Zaun wouldn’t get much playing time next year, and the most optimistic 2010 projection is a 1989esque season, but the trade doesn’t add up for me.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Nothing in return?
I’d say we got a little more than nothing; a third baseman who has a legitimate chance at winning the job starting at third base in the near future. Give me that any day over a 38 y/o catcher who had no future with this team.
Chris
by O'sandNatyBo's on Aug 20, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
We got a 1st baseman
And he doesn’t have the numbers to be our 1b.
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Rhyne Hughes is the guy we got for Zaun
He’s a 1B.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
He was also a doubling up machine
GIDP to end an inning with the bases loaded at a time when the O’s could have broken the game open.
by Fred Sanford on Aug 20, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
and an anita marks tribute.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 20, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Only his 4th GIDP of the year
These things happen to this team.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
Bad timing but whatever
If he wants to go 2-4 with a double, a HR, and a GIDP every night I’ll take my chances. Like I said in the recap, that was his 4th GIDP this year in 534 AB. I tried to look at b-r.com to see how many times he’s been at the plate when a GIDP is a possibility, but if they have that stat I can’t find it. They have his stats with runners on, but not with less than 2 outs. If anyone knows where I can find that I’d be grateful.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Thats insane regardless
Only 4 GIDP? Wow
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
No wonder he is distracted. Married that smokin’ hot hottie.
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Some of those
lovely young ladies have no business on that list.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I know, right?
Ty Wigginton has 13 in 209 PAs!
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
either way you can't ignore
how his defense has declined. not just his occasional lapses in concentration, but his armstrength is pathetic. he still plays a damn good 2b, but he cant throw out anyone when he goes up the middle anymore, and i cringe everytime its going to be a close one on a doubleplay ball.
these pretzels are making me thirsty
by swilhelmross on Aug 20, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously???
Can you give me an example? I think he makes plays up the middle perfectly, not relying on arm strength (although I think he has a fine arm) but a lightening fast transfer and release.
i mean
how bout the time he cost us the game against i cant remember who by just hanging out in shallow RF on one of those shifts and lobbing it over there non-chalantly allowing whoever it was to beat it out. ok, i know thats vague, but if you dont see a decline in his defense you are blind sir.
and hes still a fine defensive 2b, hes just def on the downswing.
these pretzels are making me thirsty
by swilhelmross on Aug 20, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
"Was"
Only refers to that one game, I’m assuming, because BRob doesn’t consistently ground into DPs.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Who's wife is Lisa Dergen?
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
You're oh so helpful
I already tried that. No Dergens at B-R.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I dont want to google to check
It says she is a playmate….
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought about googling her
but just looking at those half dressed ladies at the link zk posted was dangerous enough at work. I was afraid something really inappropriate might come up on a google.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
My thoughts exactly. Especially the Anna Benson picture.
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
She shouldn't count anyway
Kris Benson is “in baseball” to the same extent that Drew Willy is an NFL quarterback.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
fwiw...
lisa dergan is married to scott podsdednik.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 20, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW
Some of those photos are really poor. The best they could do for Brian Schneider’s wife was a pixellated screenshot from MASN? Lame.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
At the Norfolk Tides games
All of the player’s wives sit right behind home plate. A buddy of mine works for the Tides, and sits there as well tracking stats and what not during the game, and he said it was a very sad day when Wieters was called up. Not because Matt was gone, but because his unbelievable smoking hot wife was gone. I can confirm this personally, but I’d really like to see what that action is all about.
A couple months back I posted a picture of what could have potentially been Nick Markakis’ wife (it was a joke – just some crazy looking chick with the same name). Finally got to see her on MASN the other day, and it’s good to know I was wrong.
Today's video goodness
UFC fighter jumps out of the 3 foot end of a pool to a standing position on the deck. Then does it backwards.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
Some Skins player recently did the same thing.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
also...
standing jump into the payload of a pickup, gate closed
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 20, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
There is one
Where a guy jumps 62 inches on to these foam bricks. Too lazy to look it up though (ps-he is white)
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
That one is good too
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Any note on Bell's D lately?
"I feel like defensively and offensively, there’s not too much I can’t do right now."
But, I thought his D was sub-par and it sounds like he isn’t working to improve it. That worries me a bit.
I've heard conflicting reports on his defense
Initially when the trade was made, I thought the info was that his defense wasn’t good. But then just awhile ago I read that scouts voted him best defensive 3B in his league with the Dodgers (or something along those lines). I’ll try to find it.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Oh here it is
managers, not scouts
From Baseball America
It’s worth also noting that Bell’s glovework impressed Southern League managers, a group that voted him the best defensive third baseman in the league.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
So he is a psuedo-switch hitter?
Bell has hit 33 home runs from his strong side—and only one from the right side.
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
has anyone ever been BETTER from the right
texiera has to be close, i still like him more from the left though.
these pretzels are making me thirsty
by swilhelmross on Aug 20, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
Bell is especially awful from the right, i cant find the splits but he may be better off batting from the left all the time.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 20, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah the consensus is he's godawful from the right
If that’s the case you’d think he might want to start to learn how to bat against lefties as a lefty.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
He's a switch hitter only in the sense that he can stand on both sides of the plate.
by kba26 on Aug 20, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Well I’ll be happy if he is a 20-25 HR guy and can play the hot corner.
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
forget hitting
anybody with a bat and average defense will be better than melvin mora
by twistedlogic on Aug 20, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
although admittedly
bell will never be the bunter that melmo is and currently lacks immense playoff experience
by twistedlogic on Aug 20, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
scathing sarcasm
remember when melvin got all pissed at jay payton for pointlessly stealing third. thank god he is gone.
these pretzels are making me thirsty
by swilhelmross on Aug 20, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he isn't awful from the right side
And just stinks against lefties.
The two are usually one in the same, but aren’t always mutually exclusive.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
I meant to say that
He could just be terrible against lefties, and switching sides won’t make much of a difference, and in fact, it could exacerbate the issue.
Many switch hitters who struggle mightily from one side don’t abandon their double dipping ways because going from RHB vs. LHP to LHB vs. LHP isn’t exactly an instant formula for success.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Sooo, Danny Cabrera
I love how that game story talks about how hitter-friendly the PCL is, as if that had much to do with Cabrera’s rough outing. Dude walked three and threw a wild pitch in one inning, in addition to those four hits (one of which was a grand slam)…sound familiar, baseball fans?
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
It's always pitiful to watch
Well-meaning baseball players who experience the initial success required to make it to the MLs, but continually spiral downward soon thereafter.
I realize that they likely cash in at some point, but I’m sympathetic for the guys who have passion and are good people, yet crash and burn for years on end.
Bynum, Cabrera, Olson, and Penn are recent examples.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
wow...
olson’s ERA this year is 5.88, but he’s got a .251 BABIP!
i feel bad for penn, but also for the fact that we could have gotten burnett and lowell for penn and julio. ouch.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 20, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
now, now
I’m sure the Marlins would have stonewalled us at the last minute and insisted that we throw in another blue-chipper like Jeff Fiorentino.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
b-but...
fio can hit.
DEAL WITH IT!
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 20, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
that semms to be a catchphrase of yours
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 20, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
ha, no...
it is a tongue in cheek homage to a former (banned?) poster.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 20, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
PWubbs is banned?
I wondered what happened to him. Too bad, I thought he contributed some good stuff re: the realities of pitching.
(in my best Kramer voice) Oh he was banned
And I think he explicitly said he was looking to get banned. We didn’t give Sweet Lou proper respect.
Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.
Yeah
Unfortunately he was one of those guys who seemed normal and knowledgeable for awhile and then sort of went off the deep end. SC gave him the hook awhile back.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
PWubbs may be gone but he lives forever through the awesome three words he spoke on here.
Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.
Yeah me too. I tried to find it but I didn’t have any luck. It was truly awesome. It was like, “Lou can hit. Deal with it. Lou (insert praise). Deal with it. Lou (insert praise). Deal with it. Lou (insert praise). Deal with it.”
Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.
I don't think it was deleted.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
But I can't find it
That’s unfortunate.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Although for your viewing pleasure
Please look at the first three pages of these search results:
http://www.camdenchat.com/search?btn=Go&order=score&page=1&q=%22deal+with+it%22&type=Comment
It’s PWubbs’ legacy.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Showing 1 - 10 of 1,508
Wow.
"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08
Yeah
In these optimistic times, it’s important to remember that the same Angelos the Terrible of old still owns the team.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Yeah
In these optimistic times, it’s important to remember that the same Angelos the Terrible of old still owns the team.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Some lunchtime reading
Four Burning Questions Facing the Baltimore Orioles
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
lunchtime?
i’m just finishing my breakfast.
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
The Burning Questions is a good enough read
BUT…
Man, there is no way the O’s would ever land Halladay. I would LURVE IT, but I will not hold my breath.
Brad Penny? #1 starter? DO NOT WANT.
“Baltimore had hoped that Scott Moore would be the third baseman of the future”…we had? When was that? September 2007? That one week of Spring Training last year?
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
yeah, uh...
honestly? if moore is healthy, i don’t see any reason why moore can’t put up numbers liek wigginton w/ slightly better d, but that’s not really long term solution/star of the future caliber, huh?
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 20, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I just read that article
It’s crap. It’s a big fluff piece. It reads like something from Bleacher Report. The dude makes a ton of tired assumptions that the only way to win is to go spend like the Yankees. He doesn’t back up anything with facts or the like.
I somehow just lost the first half half of what I was going to post here, but in essence it was,
1) you can’t say the team is bad and ready to contend in the same sentence; and
2) if you’re going to rag on trembley, rag on the hit and run, not that he “doesn’t expect to win”; the teams of the last decade lost for having bad players, not because they didn’t have managers who “expected to win”. do you not remember Lee Mazzilli?
here’s what didn’t get deleted about the rest of the article:
Securing a top-line starting pitcher to anchor a talented young pitching staff would illustrate a commitment to winning. In recent years the Orioles have filled their pitching staff primarily with retreads while waiting for their "young guns" to mature. The "young guns" are now ready, but need a veteran "ace" to lead the way….If the Orioles don’t make a significant pitching move and are looking for Guthrie or one of the young pitchers currently on the team to be the staff leader, then it will be another long year for the Birds.
Based on what? Are you saying it’s impossible to contend without a “veteran ace”? How do you back this up?
There is no question that putting significant money into a starting pitcher is a little bit of a gamble. However, for the Orioles it would be one worth taking. This is a pitching staff that desperately needs a leader….The Orioles need someone like a Mussina or CC Sabathia, Johan Santana or Roy Halladay who grabs the ball every fifth day and makes things happen.
“Desperately needs a leader.” Because the Rays of 2008 went nowhere with without a wily veteran.
Even if they are not ready or able to spend the money on a pitcher like Halladay, at the very least the Orioles need to bring in a pitcher like Derek Lowe or Brad Penny who may not be a staff ace, but is a solid pitcher and can be expected to regularly pitch good enough for the team to win.
Why not see if John Smolz is available while you’re at it?
Josh Bell, who was acquired in the George Sherrill trade, could be the third baseman of the future, but is still in need of seasoning.
He’s actually kind of tearing it up right now.
However, if the Orioles are looking to contend, they will instead need to acquire a regular third baseman and then allow Wigginton to continue in his role as a role player, that is if he doesn’t now move over to first base with the recent departure of Huff to Detroit.
Here’s an idea. Let’s sign some like Chone Figgins to BLOCK Josh Bell. That way when we’re contending for the half-decade AFTER 2010, we can be stuck with someone who is in a decline instead of on the rise.
In closing, here are four single sentences, written as complete paragraphs, that are all massive generalizations which tell you nothing:
So, it is obvious that the off-season will be an interesting one for the Orioles as Andy MacPhail continues to orchestrate the future of the franchise.
He has made some great decisions over the last couple years and put the team in a position to eventually become a contender.
However, all will be forgotten if he cannot make the final moves that push the team over the top and back to contending in the AL East.
It is great to build for the future, but the time has come and McPhail needs to make the moves that illustrate to the Orioles and their fans that next year has finally arrived.
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
sorry for posting crap
I didn’t actually read the whole thing. Busted!
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
that picture in the other story made up for in my book
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
by Graham71681 on Aug 20, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
that picture is AWESOME
i copied it and sent it to all my friends, I have recieved so many comments from co-workers already how they are LOVING the greatness of that picture right now
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
by Graham71681 on Aug 20, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed, i like the fact it has nothing to do with the article
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
by Graham71681 on Aug 20, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Four burning questions
Can the O’s contend in 2010? Hahhaaaa.
They don’t have a strong pitching staff and are counting on kids to continue developing. That’s even if they bring in a veteran to “anchor” the staff. And to get your hopes dashed, Andy MacPhail has already said he doesn’t expect a string FA pitcher to consider Baltimore.
They are weak on the corners, and to be frank, the hitters that are supposed to be the core (Jones, Markakis, Roberts, Wieters (eventually?)) have not shown the ability to really mash. Markakis leads the bunch with a .308 (or so) average. They need to do better, as the O’s need more pop in the lineup. Being near the bottom of the AL in batting (OPS, OPS+, you pick it) is not going to get it done.
I’m not getting my hopes up for 2010. At the same time, 2010 is the year MacPhail, Schmuck, and anyone else spouting the line about “we expect to lose because we are rebuilding” has to stop. It’s a lame, loser mentality, mantra. 2010 has to be about Tillman, Matusz, Jones, Wieters, etc. actually starting to become the core of a decent team. Hopefully after 2010, MacPhail will have to make good on the “buy the bats” line (and I don’t want to see a Huff-like redux as the big bat).
just joined the CC fantasy league
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 20, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions
Oh I didn't even see that fanpost
Just joined. Go Steelers!
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this the most adorable thing you've ever seen?
I’m totally buying it.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I like how it is "pet" calendar
Yet they all have dogs.
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Total anti-cat bias
There better be a picture of Aubrey Huff with a buffalo, or Ty Wigginton with a gila monster, or something, too.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
Did you see Roch's post on the uniform numbers?
Greatest players to wear each number of all time from the Sporting News? Seemed right up your alley.
http://masnsports.com/2009/08/its-a-numbers-thing.html
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I did
Johnny Bench at #5 is sketchy, as is Barry Sanders at #20 (he played like ten seasons). It’s all highly subjective, so it’s not like either of those choices is an OUTRAGE. I agree with one of his commenters that Sandy Koufax over Jim Brown is weak sauce.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
I'd like you to pick a player with #20
Better than Barry Sanders. It says “best player” not “players who probably played past their prime” (looking at you Emmitt).
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Frank Robinson
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
I would argue for his sport
Barry Sanders is way further a part from the rest of the field than Robinson compared to the rest of the field.
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Really now?
Frank was the first player to win MVPs in both leagues, a Triple Crown winner, and was 4th all time in HR before the roiders came into play. Oh, and he was the first black manager in the major leagues.
Barry Sanders was great, but come on.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
He is 4th all time in HRs but he played what, 21 years? Barry is 3rd all time in rushing yards and played 10 seasons (Behind Payton 13 years and Emitt 15 years).
In 21 year career Robinson made the all star 12 of those years. Sanders made it all 10 years as a pro.
He won the NFL MVP (co) as a RB which a lone is hard to do. Then once you consider the fact that he played for the Lions who had a terrible offensive line and could barely throw the ball, it makes it even more impressive.
PS-being the first black manager has nothing to do with his playing days.
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Oop
Just realized he was also a 2-time MVP.
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
We're not talking about 'best player'
It’s a ‘credit to the jersey’ thing.
"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08
Then how do you even begin to compare the two? Or any two at any number? It ultimately comes down to who was better at their sport.
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I see off field behavior as part of it
So if Babe Ruth wore 21, I would give Clemente the vote.
"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08
Well
I know Barry donated 10% of his salary to charity throughout his career. And any time I see or hear from Barry now a days its about various charities he is involved with.
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Barry
had THE single greatest season in college football history. Not that it factors in for anything…just sayin’.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
no...he wore 21
I’m no OSU fan but there are a few guys that transcend the rivalry. Barry is one. Wayman Tisdale was one. The Boz’? Not one.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Barry's college days
were before my time of knowing what was going on in the world.
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
He has a son...
Barry Sanders Jr. that is either a Jr. or a Sr. at a private school here in Oklahoma City. He’s supposed to be pretty good as well. Although a little bit bigger than his dad.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
1988
Here’s a game-by-game rushing yards list from his 1988 Heisman season:
Miami (OH) 178, 2 TD + 1 RET TD
Texas A&M 167, 2 TD + 1 RET TD
Tulsa 304, 5 TD
Colorado 174, 4 TD
Nebraska 189, 4 TD
Kansas St. 320, 3 TD
Oklahoma 216, 2 TD
Kansas 312, 5 TD
Iowa St. 293, 4 TD
Texas Tech (In Tokyo – thought that was odd) 332 – 4 TD
Wyoming (Holiday Bowl) 222, 5 TD
238.9 yds/game
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Wow
I tried to find if the TDs was a record but could not find it.
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it is...
wasn’t there a college RB that was approaching it the last couple of years?
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Brown only played like 9 seasons
Dominant seasons though. Mike Schmidt or Frank Robinson over Brown.
Bench was awesome, but shared a number with DiMaggio, Greenberg, and Brooks. You could make an argument for any of them really.
Koufax was another short timer. I’d have a hard time deciding between him and Carlton.
Nolan Ryan over Olajuwon, but I’m no fan of basketball.
Bradshaw over Brady. Personal opinion only.
Dick Butkis over Ichiro. I’d love to see a cage match for the honors, actually.
"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08
Brown was #32 with Cleveland
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
I meant Sanders
"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08
I agree with Bradshaw over Brady (I’m a Steeler fan though)
Not Nolan over Olajuwon though. Olajuwon was a beast.
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Walter Payton also
"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08
Walter Payton
Is definitely up there. Never realized 34 was a good one.
by John Stephens on Aug 20, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, #32 - Magic Johnson
"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08
do luke scott's weapons count as pets?
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 20, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Cats are the devil.
I recently had a discussion about cats with some friends. They were described as having a “feeble and old” look and one guy wished they would “take a horse up in the mountains and never come back.” “Devil’s Minion” was tossed around as was the cat being an object of adoration by the ancient Egyptian’s who "were as much or more mathmatically advanced that we are and that bothers me. "
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
"[Egyptians] were as much or more mathematically advanced than we are and that bothers me."
I hope that was in complete jest.
I want to see Melvin Mora cuddling a kitten
But there are 16 months and only 8 pictures so there’s hope yet.
When I first saw the Adam Jones picture I thought he had a little tiny dog and I was about to just burst from happiness, then I looked closer and realized his black dog was just blending in a little with his black t-shirt.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
What would Melvin's kitten be named?
My top two choices are Bunt and Respect. Or possibly Tony Catista.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
that's definitely the name...
of the mora family yacht…or chevy suburban.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 20, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
hahah
I sort of want to rename my cat Tony Catista, because that’s awesome. Although last year I wanted to rename my cat Randor Bierd and I never did.
I’d like Melvin’s kitten to be named Happy after his demeanor.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
That's because no one likes cats. Including me.
:)
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Aug 20, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Boo!
And we agree on so much else!
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Aww.
Sorry about that.
I’m hopelessly dog obsessed. I find cats to be evil and no where near as loyal as adorable fluffy puppies.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
puppies are cute
but always up in your face. GIVE ME SOME SPACE!
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
But that's what makes them the best!
They always want to be with you and following you and sitting with you… aww. Puppies! The sweetest creatures ever. And those puppy eyes!
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
I don't like all that attention
yuck.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I guess that's what separates dog people from cat people.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
also, the bathing and walking bits
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
didn't you once do a post on the cat pets here at CC?
The dog crew didn’t need a corresponding discussion.
i once proposed that my cat normandy play shortstop instead of brandon fahey
it led to several other CC pet volunteers
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
link
to the cats-as-shortstops post.
And then there was a Fanpost about pets, but half the links seem to be shot.
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
Cats are just different
I love both cats and dogs equally, but you can’t treat them the same way. Dogs will accept any kind of attention, while cats make you learn how they want to be pet/scratched. Once I learned what my cats liked, they were very affectionate and loyal.
The type of cat may also come into play
I never liked cats, but my sister has Hemingway cats (with the extra digits on their paws – it looks like they’re wearing mittens). They’re very personable and seem more affectionate than your typical cat.
"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson
I had two cats
only one remains. She’s 14 and really laid back, except around tiny dogs. Her sister was a “Hemingway”; she had six toes on each of her front paws and was just a great pet. She died a couple years ago :/
What we need to do
is trade for Omar Vizquel, who has pet kangaroos. Now there’s a calendar I’d buy.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=290712112
Lotta people go through life doing things badly. Racing's important to men who do it well. When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.
haha what on earth?
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I AM BUYING THAT RIGHT NOW.
That is THE most ADORABLE thing EVER.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
for some reason i thought no one owned a dog in japan
Koji does
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 21, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I know I should have made a fanpost about this....
But Adam Jones posted pics from his childhood on his facebook. Good stuff.
Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.
If anyone is Adam Jones' fan on facebook...
…he just posted a bunch of new ADORABLE pictures from his childhood.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
So, this is either really Adam Jones, or a pretty extreme Adam Jones stalker.
(Always skeptical that these fan pages are really run by the person themselves when they claim to be)
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
Nah, pretty sure it's actually him. At least, he's definitely INVOLVED in it.
His Mom writes on the wall all the time and the page was linked to on MASNSports.com
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
No it's Adam Jones
When he put the page up he told the press about it and it was reported by Roch and Schmuck and others. He also gave away tickets from that page a couple times.
I can’t wait to get home and see his pictures!
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Facebook blocked I assume?
They’re adorable pictures.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
Yeah
They like to try and get me to do actual work here, unfortunately.
And I’m sure their adorable. I can only imagine.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
their ?????????????
I eXpEcTeD bEtTeR fRoM yOu!!!<<!!!>>!!!
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
returning to an earlier discussion...
here’s a link to some advanced batting stats from BR for the doc…
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/jonesad01-bat.shtml#batting_ratio
they show how he’s decreased his strikeout percentage and increased his HR and BB percentage since first debuting w/ seattle.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
Chris Lambert claimed from the Tigers
http://masnsports.com/2009/08/adding-to-the-inventory.html
They claimed right-hander Chris Lambert off waivers from the Detroit Tigers today and assigned him to Triple-A Norfolk.
Lambert was 0-1 with a 14.85 ERA in two games with the Tigers this season, and he’s 1-3 with a 7.90 ERA in 10 career games in the majors.
Lambert, 26, went 6-7 with a 3.55 ERA with Triple-A Toledo this year. He’s 40-41 with a 4.40 ERA in 142 career games in the minors.
The Cardinals selected Lambert in the first round (19th pick) of the 2004 draft.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/08/orioles-claim-chris-lambert-from-tigers.html
Lambert, a 26-year-old righty, allowed 121 hits and 31 walks in 126.2 innings at Triple A Toledo, striking out 106. His major league ERA this year is 14.85 in just two appearances, but his minor league ERA is a quarter of that.
AAAA type or solid prospect? I know the Tigers are awash in pitching but I can’t imagine they’d let go someone with a whole lot of promise.
"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08
I did a copypasta into a fanpost for this discussion
so we can continue to talk about jerseys and kittens here.
"I hate seeing Bedard go, but I think the O's may have gotten the better end of the deal" -- me, 2/8/08
how about kittens with jerseys on?
and yes, it looks like i’m vioating a copywright or somesuch
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
That cat
is secretly planning on how to infect the entire OSU campus with cat scratch fever.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
good.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 20, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Per Roch:
Odd lineups today…
Brian Roberts – 2B
Cesar Izturis – SS
Luke Scott – DH
Nick Markakis – RF
Nolan Reimold – LF
Michael Aubrey – 1B
Ty Wigginton – 3B
Chad Moeller – C
Felix Pie – CF
Brian Matusz – LHP
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
AJ and Wieters not being in would normally bum me out, but Pie and Wieters getting ABs quenches my thirst for young blood.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
Correction
Pie and Aubrey.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
fantasty football update
i set a conservative cap of ten teams, but we’ve hit that today w/o any cajoling on my part!i’m willing to expand by 2-4 more teams if there is sufficient interest.
math_geek has first dibs.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
FF I actuallykeep up with
So yeah, if there’s space.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
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