Wednesday Open Thread
by zknower on Aug 26, 2009 5:45 AM EDT
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Early night for me tonight, and there's a dearth of O's news out there anyway, so here's your hasty clippings post:
O's set Arizona Fall League roster | orioles.com: News
1B Brandon Snyder, OF Matt Angle, RHP Brandon Erbe, 3B Joshua Bell, RHP Ryohei Tanaka, RHP Josh Perrault, RHP Eddie Gamboa, and 1B Brandon Waring will represent the Orioles this year in the AFL.
Carroll County Times: Westminster, Maryland
The Carroll County Times tries to put a positive spin on 2006 first-rounder Billy Rowell's chances.
Adam Loewen On A Baseball Comeback | EndScore
Since the All Star break, Loewen's average is just below .300 with a .471 slugging percentage.
....and, that's all I got.
Oh, one more: 70 years ago today saw the first ever broadcast of a Major League Baseball game: a doubleheader, actually, between the Reds and the Dodgers at Ebbets Field in Brooklyn.
This is your Open Thread. If you love it, set it free.
[Addendum: R.I.P. Ted Kennedy.]
Edit by Stacey: Here's your snapshot game recap!
Last night's 7-6 loss to the Twins was one of the ugliest games I've seen, and not just by the Orioles. 10 pitchers, 13 walks (including three with the bases loaded), and 19 men left on base, not to mention Felix Pie's base running, which was so awful even Melvin Mora couldn't watch. Kam Mickolio picked a bad time to give up his first run as Delmon Young (he of the .290 OBP) singled in the winning run in the bottom of the 9th, his 4th hit of the game.
For a full recap, I direct you to Paul Folkemer's story on Orioles Hangout. I love Paul's recaps, and if you missed the game he'll give you the full flavor of the disaster.
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How many games have ended with Weiters at the plate?
by browsermetrics on Aug 26, 2009 7:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not as many that have ended with Wieters at the plate.
And the game didn’t end with him at the plate, since we were not at home.
by Johnny_S on Aug 26, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has been like 3 times in the last week
he’s struck out to end the game
:’(
by O Nina on Aug 26, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kam gets the loss
but we all know full well who deserves it, Brian Bass. I cannot wait till next year when he is gone. He is terrible. The fact that his ERA is only 5.01 is mind bottling.
by Johnny_S on Aug 26, 2009 8:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's because he was quite good in the beginning part of the year
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 26, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(gasp)
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so was adam eaton
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh I know
I’m not saying he’s any good, just that explains his EAR only being 5.01
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 26, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rich Hill can pitch, DEAL WITH IT!
I didn’t say it
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've said way stupider stuff than that though
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 26, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course i have
:)
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he wasn't
Bass was terrible at the very beginning of the year (he allowed 12 runs in his frst 3 appearances).
Then he went on a stretch through the end of june where his ERA was superficially very good at 1.77, but he was still the same old crappy pitcher with barely more strikeouts than walks. Most of those appearances were against National League teams or bad American League teams.
And he’s been terrible since then.
Bass is just not a major league pitcher, and he never has been. He should never pitch in a close game unless every single other pitcher in the bullpen is unavailable.
by dkdc on Aug 26, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Superficially very good??
He had a LOT of 3 inning scoreless appearances in a row that totally saved our bullpen. I don’t care if he didn’t have Ks – they were awesome.
by O'sFan21 on Aug 26, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were not awesome
The upside is that he made a few blowouts slightly less lopsided.
The downside is that he was kept on the team and allowed to pitch in more important situations, which is costing the Orioles wins now.
I’d wish he’d never had those few lucky weeks and Kam had been here all along.
by dkdc on Aug 26, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't true
Yes, Bass had three bad innings to start the year. Then, from 18 April to 29 June, he pitched a string of 22 games in which he allowed 8 ER in 42 IP (1.77 ERA). In those games opponents batted .238 against him. In 17 of those 22 games he didn’t allow a run. The team went 8-14 in those games and in 15 of those games the outcome was determined by 3 or less runs, so hardly a blow out.
Brian Bass is not a above average major league pitcher and he is not pitching well now. But it’s pretty shitty to act like his good outings earlier in the year actually hurt the team. He saved the starters and the rest of the bullpen on a lot of nights.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 26, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 scoreless innings after the starter shits the bed is very much awesome. And it was much longer than a few weeks.
And who the hell knows how Kam would have done had he been here all along?
by O'sFan21 on Aug 26, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hendo as a reliever
oops - didn’t mean to post yet. what i meant to post was…hendo seems like he’s done a pretty fine job in the relief role. am i nuts? anyone know how to post his stats JUST as a reliever? not that i’m advocating keeping him in our future, but he has not been nearly so painful now that he’s not starting every 5th
"If Stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?" - Will Rogers
by zenmaster on Aug 26, 2009 8:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You can do it on baseball-reference.com
aka the best site ever.
Hendo’s relief stats this year: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=hendrma01&year=2009&t=p#sprel
Career relief stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=hendrma01&year=Career&t=p#sprel
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 26, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow....
“The Twins mobbed their teammates on the field, unable to believe that they won this game after looking so horrendous early on. Well, guys, you had the good fortune of playing against a team even more self-destructive than yourselves. The Orioles slumped off the field, having given away another one. I keep telling myself that there are much brighter days ahead. I sure hope so. The Orioles, in their present form, look like a team that simply doesn’t know how to win. They continue to shoot themselves in the foot in so many ways.”
From the recap link….I love this quote….
by NewYorkOriole on Aug 26, 2009 8:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember that one part of the year
Where we had like 2 come from behind wins and a couple more wins late in the game? I miss those days.
by Johnny_S on Aug 26, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who doesn't
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Nolan when he first came up hitting that walk-off home run against Toronto…good stuff
by NewYorkOriole on Aug 26, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AWESOME NATTY BOH AD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyr8hETVbhE&feature=related
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 8:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For the CC game
They’re going to have Oktoberfest.
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey guys, haven’t been much lately but had a quick question. Where’s Gary Thorne been? Seems like we’ve had everyone but him lately.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Aug 26, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Little League World Series. So he'll be out till August 30th or so
Sometimes you see somebody standing there watching a home run for a while, and that's not fun for a pitcher to see. It's (also) not good for a pitcher to scream at a batter after he's struck him out, or doing arm motions. I come from the old school. Hit the ball, run, throw, catch it -- that's the way the game should be played.
-Jesse Orosco
by Timmy L. on Aug 26, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he seems to do better with the LLWS.
More passion and energy
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ehh...
I think the O’s have some of the better broadcasters in baseball. I mean, there are a lot of yawners out there and a lot of annoying guys. Twins broadcasters (some guy and Bert Blyleven)…snooze. CHW announcers…irritating as hell…YYYYYYEEEESSSS! SEA? boring!
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Aug 26, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can't argue
the dodgers have the best crew
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can argue easily...
No they don’t.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Aug 26, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think the dodgers crew is great because of vin scully
he can describe a game the way no one else can.
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Vin Scully
but I can argue easily. I like the Rangers guys. I think Scully is nearing the end.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Aug 26, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He announced that 2010 will be his last season
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 26, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's sad
he was the face of the dodgers
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've never heard the rangers guys
i’ll take your word for it
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say they were the best just that I enjoyed them.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Aug 26, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I had XM, I listened to a lot of radio guys
There are some good ones (San Diego) and some bad ones (Toronto).
by PhilR8 on Aug 26, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rangers guys?!
pretty random, and they are just as homery/boring as the next fox sports crew. i’ll take the angels guys, good voices, tigers are fine too, anything but remy/michael kay/ the fucking rays guy.
"you know what the orioles could use right now? a day off." - joe angel
by swilhelmross on Aug 26, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, i hear the TEX
guys a lot. I guess they kinda grew on me. My point was that people on here sometimes like to trash Thorne, Buck, Palmer, etc. but comparable to the rest of the league I think they’re pretty good. And Gary Thorne is entertaining. Even if he is only entertaining himself.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Aug 26, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thorne just irks me
he has a good voice and all, but he just doesnt know dick about baseball, and it pisses me off. and we know he loves to drool over arod and pedroia, but the worst for me is his pitch recognition. i’d say he has about a 50% chance of recognizing a pitch, i mean you figure someone would tell him to ease off on the “breaking ball” calls when its clearly a changeup, but he just wont quit. props to jim/buck for not just calling him out, b/c you know they are just shaking their heads in the booth.
"you know what the orioles could use right now? a day off." - joe angel
by swilhelmross on Aug 26, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i know what you're saying
palmer irritates me but still i’d rather listen to them than probably 25 other broadcast teams.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Aug 26, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And as I've said before...
I’m cursed with the New York Yankees crew….
THHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YANKEES LOSE!
by NewYorkOriole on Aug 26, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Super Bowl Picks?
I got Ravens over Falcons
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
You sure do like picking the underdogs.
Picking SB teams in preseason is pointless.
I say Lions vs. Chiefs
by Johnny_S on Aug 26, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he just likes talking
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 26, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is correct
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I LOVE picking underdogs
But I get lucky.
For example, I had Nova in the final four. Nova made the final four
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A 3 seed in the Final Four is hardly a longshot
by kba26 on Aug 26, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but they had to beat the Dukies and Pitt
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duke sucked last year, mad overrated. Over Pitt was an upset though.
by Johnny_S on Aug 26, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
beating duke however is no big feat tho. i always pick duke to lose in the 2nd round
by twistedlogic on Aug 26, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nowadays yeah, back in the day they were a shoe-in for the final 4.
by Johnny_S on Aug 26, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
same
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had
The champion
The championship teams
The final four
The elite 8
The sweet 16
And all but 5 of the first 32 games right.
I won A LOT of money this year in tourney bracket challenges.
by Johnny_S on Aug 26, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won a couple hundred dollars on Syracuse during Carmelo Anthony's one season
That was a good year.
by kba26 on Aug 26, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its all luck
Like Mich St? I got lucky on their last 2 games, they were come from behind wins.
by Johnny_S on Aug 26, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really is.
Which is why girls who pick based on uniform colors often do better than guys who pick based on strength of conference/schedule.
by O'sFan21 on Aug 26, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey i picked cuse that year too
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man when the Browns were 18 point underdogs to the Giants
And they ended up WINNING by more than the “opposite spread” , I was just geeking out at how much money someone surely made. I had picked the Browns to definitely get within the point spread, and then I picked them to win the game, because it was the biggest trap game I saw all year (similar to the Bears/Arizona game a couple years back).
If someone actually picked CLE -18.5, that must have been at least 20/1. Someone made a killing.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Aug 26, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, so...
did you know they’re starting up a sports book at dover downs next week?
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 26, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not anymore they're not
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/24/appeals-court-strikes-down-delaware-betting-law/
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
by duck on Aug 26, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theyre still going forward with the book, its only single game betting (admittedly a major component) thats currently off the table
Parlays are being challenged in a separate undecided lawsuit, and the state will definitely appeal the ruling on single game bets once the written opinion is released. I actually worked in this courthouse over the summer, but wasn’t actually able to attend any of the arguments.
by kba26 on Aug 26, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a pretty big component off the table, though
I was really surpised DE lost in this latest ruling. As a news consumer with no legal training, to me the media had portrayed this as a slam dunk for DE.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
by duck on Aug 26, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The good news is that the Padres, Pirates, Royals, and Nationals won yesterday, giving us a game up on the field essentially.
1) Washington
2) Kansas City (3.5 GB)
3) Baltimore (5 GB)
4) San Diego (6.5 GB)
5) Pittsburgh (7.5 GB)
I really doubt we’ll catch up with Washington and KC though… they are both some kind of bad.
by math_geek on Aug 26, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
to bad the nats hot streak ended
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that Strasburg has signed is there really a reason to be the worst team in baseball?
by O'sFan21 on Aug 26, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who was that 16 year old hitting 500-foot home runs?
Is he 2010, or 2011?
by PhilR8 on Aug 26, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harper.
Is he really worth being THE WORST TEAM IN BASEBALL????
by O'sFan21 on Aug 26, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
If you’re not in the playoffs, and never were close to contending for a playoff spot, what does being the worst team in baseball matter?
by PhilR8 on Aug 26, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Humiliating.
And just means you have to pay out the biggest signing bonus in a year where the probably number one pick isn’t dramatically better than the next guy.
by O'sFan21 on Aug 26, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losing like the O's lost last night
is pretty fucking humiliating, and they’re still not the worst team in baseball. I’m not saying that the O’s should try to lose games – but if they’re going to be shitty, and they are being shitty, then it’d be nice to be near the top of the draft list.
by PhilR8 on Aug 26, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I think they’re obviously going to be near the top of the draft. What I’m saying is that sometimes it’s better to have the number 2-6 picks than the number one so you don’t get forced into overpaying for the “consensus” number one pick when you can get just as good talent for less money at the number 3 or 4 pick.
by O'sFan21 on Aug 26, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“where the probably number one pick isn’t dramatically better than the next guy”
Historically the number 1 pick is usually better than the next guy.
And high draft picks are some of the best bargains in baseball.
by math_geek on Aug 26, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Historically number one draft picks didn’t cost $15 Million dollars.
by O'sFan21 on Aug 26, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not going to read it, but if he gets TJ a year from now I’m sure it’ll still be very convincing.
by O'sFan21 on Aug 26, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bryce Harper
yes.
Besides, we never know how the draft is going to look a year from now. Last year we took Hobgood because we were number 4 and there were 3 consensus top guys. Options = good.
by math_geek on Aug 26, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think having the number 1 pick can limit your options. See the Nats this year.
by O'sFan21 on Aug 26, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh No… we have to take this polished, flame throwing, high command, good at everything pitcher with our draft pick, because everybody and their kid sister knows it’s the right decision and so not doing so will make us look like idiots.
No Sympathy. Stephen Strasburg is fricking awesome. Options are irrelevant when there’s one guy that’s simply superior to the others. They could have taken Dustin Ackley, they would have just been stupid.
by math_geek on Aug 26, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ll see how it works out I guess. Mark Prior was “fricking awesome” too. That worked out well.
by O'sFan21 on Aug 26, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sometimes good investments don’t pay out. That doesn’t mean teams should stop making good decisions.
by math_geek on Aug 26, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you think they’re good investments…when’s the last time a pitcher worked out as the number one overall pick?
by O'sFan21 on Aug 26, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luke Hochevar
Signed a contract that was worth at most 7 million, has provided 14.4 million dollars worth of wins to the Royals, so a surplus value of 7.4 million dollars.
Perhaps not as good as you might have hoped, but teams spend way more in free agency, trades, and other methods to get a player of Hochevar’s quality.
As the article I linked to above shows, it doesn’t take much for a pitcher to be worth 15 million dollars.
by math_geek on Aug 26, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His gauranteed money was only $5.3 M. And really if that’s what you view as a successful number one overall pick…
And that’s one. My point is that baseball history (since you brought it up) is littered with number one overall pick pitchers who don’t amount to anything. Even if a club gets their money back or turns a profit according to fangraphs, does anybody view Luke Hochevar as being a successful number one overall pick? They are in last place and he has been mediocre at best and awful at worst. If that’s what you get for having the worst record in baseball color me unimpressed.
by O'sFan21 on Aug 26, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will say
that with the number of rounds and the amount of players drafted in baseball it’s only natural that you have more fail than success.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Aug 26, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Further
We are not owners, so do we really give two shits about whether the team makes it’s money back from giving a huge bonus to the number one pick? I know I couldn’t care less. I want a team that wins, and I haven’t seen any evidence that having the number one overall pick as opposed to numbers 2-6 makes it any more likely that you’ll win.
And you can say what you want about whether the Nats will make their $15 M back on STrasburg, and maybe they will, but that’s $15 M that they now won’t spend on proven free agents that may actually help them win.
by O'sFan21 on Aug 26, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Nats
probably aren’t going to be in a position where $15mil on a FA is going to help them win for quite a few years now.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Aug 26, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
we are not talking about the Nats – the debate was about whether the O’s would benefit from having the number one pick as opposed to the number 2-6 pick. We are in a position to compete in 1-2 years, so if signing a very-well-may-miss prospect for $15 M hampers our free agent abilities following the 2010 season it would be foolish.
by O'sFan21 on Aug 26, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather use that money to sign an ace or a CIF (although not available next year)
by Johnny_S on Aug 26, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
I honestly wasn’t going to be disgusted if WAS didn’t sign the kid. I mean, they already had the #9 or #10 pick signed and in camp. If they didn’t get Strassburg signed they woudl have had the 1st and 2nd round pick in the draft next year. Eventually they are going to be somewhat successful inspite of themselves.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Aug 26, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and my point, which I have made in myriad ways, is that highly regarded early round picks are a better bargain for turning money into wins than free agents. Strasburg has to be 3.4 wins above replacement over his first 4 years in the majors to be worth 15 million. That is nothing. If he pitches like Luke Hochevar for four years he will be worth 15 million.
If Koji Uehara does not pitch again for the Orioles this season, he was still worth 7.5 Million dollars to the Orioles this year…. in terms of wins. Because Koji was quite good in a short period of time and gave us 1.7 wins above replacement.
There are lots of ways to add value in baseball, and free agents are extremely expensive ways to improve your team.
by math_geek on Aug 26, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again you’re talking about financial returns – I really could give two flying fucks about financial returns. I want good players and a good team. If Luke Hochevar is the definition of a good number 1 draft pick for you, I’m sorry but I’m not getting on that train.
by O'sFan21 on Aug 26, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mark prior was really good until he got injured
but that can happen to any player from the 1st overall pick to Mr. Irrelevant
by twistedlogic on Aug 26, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ehh I would disagree. I think that pitchers who throw 100 mph are dramatically more likely to get injured than “any player” since position players almost never have recurring injuries like that.
by O'sFan21 on Aug 26, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prior also came into contact with Big Dusty early in his career
Josh Fogg did last year, too, in Cincinnati. Luckily he escaped before it was too and is back to his 2007 form:
“I’d gotten into a lot of bad habits mechanically last year when I was struggling with Cincinnati, and this year when I got to Spring Training I was still doing them,” Fogg said. "I was fortunate enough to be able to go down there and work with Kniff [Sky Sox pitching coach Chuck Kniffin] and have catchers like Sal Fasano and Paul Phillips down there to catch me that have caught big league guys in the past and have seen me throw in the past and have seen what I can and can’t do.
“Everybody down there helped and they were supportive and trying to get me back on track. I was able to go down there and get my mechanics back and have the ball do what I wanted it to do when it came out of my hand.”
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090825&content_id=6611408&vkey=news_col&fext=.jsp&c_id=col
by PhilR8 on Aug 26, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sal Fasano is awesome. DEAL WITH IT!
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Aug 26, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And also my whole point was that unless there is a clear cut number one like this year (and I don’t think harper is a clear cut number one).
The only reason I brought up strasburg was to show it limited options. I don’t think it would have been stupid at all to take Ackley. They would have saved themselves a summer of bad press and $7 M. And when Strasburg flames out in 1-2 years they’ll still have an active player.
by O'sFan21 on Aug 26, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how did pie look in center?
other then that running catch
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He looked a little bit too blueberry when he should have been apple.
by Johnny_S on Aug 26, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I need to turn on the TV one of these days
Been listening to nothing but the radio. I did not know M. Aubery wore high socks. I am an immediate fan.
Someone really needs to ask Pie where the hell his socks went. I was a big supporter, was pissed that Reimold was called up, but then Reimold starting hitting and Pie stopped wearing socks, so Pie was basically dead to me. After I was at the cycle game, I guess I love Pie again, but it’s hard when you can remember just 3 months ago he was wearing socks!
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Aug 26, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I quit wearing socks too. Very liberating.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Aug 26, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weirdest video ever.
Baysox pitching staff being strange.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQtXAA3koz4
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Aug 26, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Could those uniforms be any uglier?
Bleh.
by PhilR8 on Aug 26, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats pretty awesome
and probably why those guys are still in bowie, stumbling all over their own lines
"you know what the orioles could use right now? a day off." - joe angel
by swilhelmross on Aug 26, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The final comment shoulda been
“I throw my fastball so hard that it went back in time and struck Babe Ruth out”
by Johnny_S on Aug 26, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha new sig from Tanaka
Sometimes you see somebody standing there watching a home run for a while, and that's not fun for a pitcher to see. It's (also) not good for a pitcher to scream at a batter after he's struck him out, or doing arm motions. I come from the old school. Hit the ball, run, throw, catch it -- that's the way the game should be played.
-Jesse Orosco
by Timmy L. on Aug 26, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like Matt Wieters Facts for pitchers
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
related vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R8_xNF8mrA
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can anyone one get me a video of pie last night??
can’t really watch the games now that i’m back at school
by semaj2989 on Aug 26, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You can usually find it on mlb.com
They post a short game recap and individual highlights.
Here’s the page for last night: http://mlb.mlb.com/search/media.jsp?game_pk=246064
I used to be able to watch these at work but sadly the videos appear to be disabled now.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 26, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Missed the whole game last night
but hearing about Nolan’s double in the top of the ninth, and then the other boys not moving him over and scoring him, that really depressed me. But what’s new? :-)
Trying to hit off me is like trying to eat soup with chopsticks.
-Ryohei Tanaka, with AA Bowie
by Timmy L. on Aug 26, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On Pie's baserunning "error" last night
From every angle it looked like Mauer caught the ball and went into the dugout, which would give Felix the free base, if you recall that dumbass rule…except that Morneau somehow was the one to come up with it. Not his fault, and I’d imagine Juan Samuel had something to do with it as well.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
by getxstoked on Aug 26, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if it looked to me on an upclose replay that Mauer caught the ball and promptly forgot that Pie was on base, I’m sure it looked even more like that to Pie. He tried to be aggressive and failed, but it doesn’t mean his instincts are terrible. It really bothered me that Trembley called him out after the game, again. I’m not sure why, but every other Orioles seems to get a free pass from DT for making a mental error.
by brek on Aug 26, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave has known Felix longer than anyone on the team that isn't Lou Montanez
he managed both of them in Daytona with the Cubs, I imagine he has an idea of how and why things work with him..
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
by getxstoked on Aug 26, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unbelieveable
i swear we have to have covered just about everyway to make an out on the basepaths this season, that one is right up there with AJ oversliding 2nd on ball 4 w/ and jeter tagging him out with that shit-eating grin. i just watched the replay, and i dont mind this one as much as the one in the 4th inning, the guy didn’t even deke him at all, he is just running down to second base like a chicken with its head cut off. thats how he plays outfield too.
"you know what the orioles could use right now? a day off." - joe angel
by swilhelmross on Aug 26, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a straight steal, not a hit and run
if you noticed he didn’t look back to see if Reimold made contact, but you’re too busy crucifying the kid because of your own shitheadedness.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
by getxstoked on Aug 26, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
my own shitheadedness, you always have a look pal, i dont know who taught you to steal
"you know what the orioles could use right now? a day off." - joe angel
by swilhelmross on Aug 26, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch Roberts sometime
if he’s stealing, he’s not looking back.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
by getxstoked on Aug 26, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets just say we could have our own one of these
no sound, but still plenty enjoyable, and CUST!
"you know what the orioles could use right now? a day off." - joe angel
by swilhelmross on Aug 26, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went to an O's/A's game
and spent most of it riding Cust about falling down
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
by getxstoked on Aug 26, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny stuff
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fantasy Sports Insurance
I can’t find the site right now but a google here and a google there will probably get you there. You pay 10% or so of your insured amount if your insured player (Tom Brady for example) gets injured and misses a specific number of games or more then you get paid. It sounds crazy and like an incredibly good idea for the insurers. I wish I would have thought of it. Of course, I’m thinking of insuring someone like Kurt Warner for $200 just to see if I can get lucky on an injury and get paid.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
by BPinOK on Aug 26, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Adam Jones to Eric Davis
fair comparison?
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AJ has potential to be a better hitter
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
by duck on Aug 26, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love for AJ to run off a couple of 30/30 seasons
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
by getxstoked on Aug 26, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Erbe is going to all league?
I thought they were shutting him down early cause of the whole arm fatigue thing.
by GeoffreyA on Aug 26, 2009 7:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Erbe hasn't been shut down
He just pitched a few days ago, and he was on the DL so long this year he doesn’t have many innings. Maybe you’re thinking of Troy Patton?
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
by Stacey on Aug 26, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patton's been shut down, iirc
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
by duck on Aug 26, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
buddy of mine...
saw erbe the other night and said he looked awesome, if a little rusty. this guy, who’s a bosox fan, couldn’t say enough good shit about josh bell, too.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 26, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl-4FSRYagc
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 26, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is that new?
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
by Baltimo on Aug 26, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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