Open Thread for Monday
by Stacey on Aug 3, 2009 7:28 AM EDT
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PrintI'm at work so don't have time for a linky post, so here's your bare bones open thread. Three things for this super short post:
- Brian Matusz will probably be tomorrow night's starting pitcher. There's been a lot of debate on if it's the right move or not, but I'm going to do my best to just enjoy it. This truly has been an amazing year for major league debuts. Dan Connolly at the Sun asks, "Who's debut excited you the most?" My answer is Chris Tillman, although it was sort of a letdown.
- What do we think happens to Melvin, short term? Will his whining get him more playing time or more bench time? Will he get released before the season is over?
- Dave Johnson says that if Stephen Strasburg doesn't sign with the Nats, it's because he doesn't have passion for baseball.
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At least we get Tillman today! And I'm really, really excited for tomorrow's game. I'll cry if it's not Matusz.
Okay, I won’t cry, but I’ll be sad. Very, very, sad.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Aug 3, 2009 8:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Has there been any word on how bad Bergesen's shin is?
Is he coming back after the DL stint, or should we expect an extended injury.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
They say
its probably going to be more than 1 start, but they are not saying anything specific.
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
It's gonna be at least 2
since he’s on the 15 day DL.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
I say we call up Arrieta on Wednesday!!
85% sarcastic.
But that would be awesome if we could see all the big three in one series!
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 3, 2009 8:22 AM EDT reply actions
Interesting article in the Sun this morning... Mora says he's ready to go.
“I’m a competitor,” Mora said. “I don’t like to be here and [I’m] just thinking about in October [how] I’m going to go on vacation. … I know here they’re rebuilding and they bring a lot of young guys here, good players … I know it’s time … to move on.”
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
For some strange reason I'm link challenged... not sure why. So here is the link.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bal-sp.mora03aug03,0,4173744.story
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
He's ready to go
But who would take him and his $9M contract? I guess we could eat part of his salary, but we aren’t getting anything in return, so he’s going to have to remain unhappy. Or he could actually start hitting. Either way…
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 3, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Detroit?
They kinda need a 3B for the rest of the season. He’s actually better than Inge has been. Even if they just pay his salary for the rest of the season, i’d be fine with that.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
I'm guessing that Detroit wouldn't be fine with that
How has Mora been better than Inge this year? Inge has a 822 OPS right now.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 3, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Better than Inge
recently. I only had that thought because I was atlking with some Tigers fans and they said he’s been terrible. Theyve actually been tracking Mora and said he’d be an improvement. Just a thought.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
If mora requires his option to be picked up (to waive no-trade)
That would kill any deal, but if not then there is a chance.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
he doesnt have to waive the no trade
for us to waive him and have them pick him up, right?
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
I actually dont know about being claimed on waivers
I’m sure that if he cleared waivers then we would have to trade him and he could block it but as far as if they claimed him and we just gave him to them i dont know.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to nitpick
But if he clears waivers, we don’t have to trade him, it just means we can trade him.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 3, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
yup
if he clears waivers, you have a few days to either trade him, outright him to the minors, or release him. he probably wont accept either of the first two (maybe a trade could happen?) so he’d likely get released…
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so
If he clears waivers, you just have the right to trade him before the end of August. You can keep him on ML roster after he clears waivers.
If he’s claimed, then you have a couple days to either revoke the waivers or work out a trade.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 3, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
That's assuming he waives his no-trade
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 3, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
oh shit
i meant if hes DFA’d. after the DFA, they have 10 days to trade, release, or place him on waivers. then if hes claimed they have two days to trade or revoke. my bad
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure how you screwed it up
MLB’s rules for waivers/options/25 & 40 man rosters/arbitration/super-2/DFA and waiver claims are completely intuitive.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 3, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
what?
he’ll get DFA’d first, then probably waivers
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just saying that ML’s roster rules are a complete mess.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 3, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
yea i agree
i think the DFA option is just to provide a little grace period so you can fill the roster spot before actually dumping the player in question
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
No you put them through waivers first
Most every player gets sent through waivers after July 31st, Jones, Markakis, they all will. Those are revocable waivers (there are also non-revocable waivers and i forget what they are). If you DFA a player then you have to trade or release him, if you put him on revocable waivers then you can revoke your waiver request.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
false
if you DFA, you have 10 days to trade, release, or place on waivers
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
no, not really
you have ten days to trade the player, send him to the minors, or release him outright.
“placing a player on waivers” doesn’t satisfy the DFA requirement. if you DFA someone, they have to be OFF YOUR ROSTER within ten days, and placing someone on waivers doesn’t accomplish that; it is just a precursor to a trade.
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
you have 7 days to place a DFA'd player on waivers
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
you don't have to place the player on waivers
you can release them outright.
there is no direct relationship between DFAing and waivers. Waivers are a procedural thing you have to do to accomplish SOME of the things that will satisfy a DFA.
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
wait you are confusing me
if you DFA you have three options: trade, release outright, or place on waivers (only possible for the first 7 days)
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
you have 10 days to trade or release
if you do the waivers option, then standard waiver rules apply, but they MUST be off the roster within 10 days
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
this is semantics
“waivers” is not an “option”.
the options are 1) trade, 2) assign to minors, 3) release.
options 1 and 2 require waivers first
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
if you DFA you have three options: trade, release outright, or place on waivers (only possible for the first 7 days)
Here is my point: “placing on waivers” is not a third option. you still have to assign the player to another club or release. “assigning” can be accomplished only after the player has cleared waivers. but that doesn’t mean that placing the player on waivers satisfies the DFA. the player going to another club satisfies the DFA
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
okay i see what you are saying
gettin all technical on me
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
not trying to pick on you
as someone said above, it’s a big mess. just trying to make it clear.
and probably failing at that. ;)
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
yea
thats why i mentioned that once you place on waivers standard rules apply, generally meaning that player goes bye-bye
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
the moment you DFA, you know the player is going bye-bye
the whole point of DFAing is this: “this sad sack of sh*t is taking up a roster spot, and we want to give that spot to someone else. we don’t know exactly what we want to do with the sad sack, but we don’t want him here. please give us 10 days to figure this out.”
there are zero scenarios under which a player, after being DFA’d, would stay with a team.
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
yes, but
then you’d have to release the player.
if you DFA a player and place them on waivers and another team claims and you can’t work out a deal (or the player blocks the trade), then you can rescind the waiver, but you still haven’t satisfied the DFA.
so you’d then be required to release the player outright, at which time he would become a free agent.
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
yea true i just looked that up
if you place them on waivers, you can rescind and the player can remain on the roster, but if you DFA, rescinding the waivers still requires a trade or release. my bad.
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
whoops
I meant to say that we would have to get him to waive his no trade, you are absolutely right.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
na na na nahhhhhhh na na na nahhhhhhh
hey hey heyyyyyyyyyyyy GOODBYEEEEEEEE
melmo’s new theme song? (well, he can fight rich hill for it)
Rich Hill's is the Rock and Roll part 2
Dun dun dun daaaaaah dah “HEY! YOU SUCK!”
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
here I would deal with melmo
tell him “OK I’m giving you a week with no benching, you better play the best baseball of the season or you will be getting less and less starts if you don’t perform like I want you to.”
That might just motivate him.
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 3, 2009 8:27 AM EDT reply actions
I don't think it's a motivation issue
I think it’s just old Father Time doing what he does.
Chris Waters Recalled
Chris Waters recalled by Baltimore..doesn’t say as SP or RP.
http://hamptonroads.com/2009/08/tides-blanked-liz-shows-progress
nice find...
im hoping its so he can take the place of Berken in the rotation. Send Berken back down to work on some things
I'm thinking it's Berken's spot, not Bergesen's
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 3, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably taking berken's spot on the roster, but not necessarily in the rotation.
The Bullpen is dead, and with Matusz and Tillman up next we may desperately need another long reliever for the next few games.
Call up Waters for a long reliever until berkens next start, then pauley for the start?
odds on another melmo out this freaking world hot streak?
1:100?
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 3, 2009 8:33 AM EDT reply actions
Natty Boh should be sold at O's games.
Who wouldn’t fork over a couple bucks (or more) for some Natty Boh?
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 3, 2009 8:42 AM EDT reply actions
Me
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 3, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
no
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 3, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Boh
I know I’d love some Boh…then again, who wouldn’t?
The O's will contend in 2010
by O's n Natty Bohs on Aug 3, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Aren't you 13?
The only time I drink Natty Boh is with crabs. Just because I think its disrespectful to drink any other beer with crabs.
Otherwise, its pretty bad.
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I bought a case at the start of this season
Just because I was excited for the season to start, I think half the case is still sitting in my fridge.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 3, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
might as well add some PBR to the list.
"To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion."
Ehhh...
PBR is pretty gross. Here is how I’d rank the bad ones:
Bad to Worse
Natty Light
Milwaukee Best
PBR
Keystone
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Oops forgot Natty boh
Natty Light
Natty Boh
Milwaukee Best
PBR
Keystone
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
High Life
HAS to be in there somewhere.
The Beast is pretty awful.
The best advice I’ve ever received:
Never ruin a $20 buzz with a $5 meal. -my grandmother
Thanks grandma!
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Hmmm ok...
Natty Light
Natty Boh
High Life
Milwaukee Best
PBR
MGD
Keystone
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
i reckon yeungling should be considered on this list
cheap beer at a more-than-cheap beer price. maybe its cuz i’m a beer snob that i dont enjoy it, but if you are gonna drink cheap beer, you might as well buy it at a low price
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I never really like yeungling
All my friends in college used to rave about Dollar Yeungs and 25 cent Wings. “Umm, I’ll take a 2 dollar bud light.”
I’d probably put yeung just above High Life.
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Give me miller light
Not because of taste but because of calories. I can forgive a light beer not tasting as great because its not supposed to.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
heiny lite is a perfect example of that
bottled water is cheaper (although not in europe)
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
It's horrible
But people in PA seem to love it. But actually, according to a friend who runs a bar; the keg price is actually cheaper than Bud/Miller (at least in Philly).
There is no better recipe for a hangover in my opinion than a half dozen pints of Yeungling.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 3, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
an old roommate of mine used to drink it all the time
and i never understand why you’d pay extra to drink cheap shitty beer. if you are gonna pay 6-7 for a 6 pack, you can do better than yeungling.
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
But actually their Black and Tan isn’t bad at all; it’s just the Lager that is swill.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 3, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
i dunno if you can get cases of the b and t tho. he used to buy it by the case at costco
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
You can get cases
At least in bottles. It wouldn’t be my top pick of beers, but it’s completely acceptable.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 3, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
i prefer to mix my own black and tan
so you get that nice two-tone color to the beer. then again, i’d be using a higher quality of beer…..
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
People in PA do swear by Yeungling
Its not terrible but I dont really like it. I’ve had so much of it though since everybody swears by it thinking its the best beer and its cheap. But if i’m drinking a non-lite beer then I want something good and i dont mind forking out the cash to taste something I enjoy over beer flavored water.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
You know what always cracked me up? Rolling Rock was about 2$ more for a six pack then Bud/Miller light, but a RR keg was 10-20$ less than a Bud/Miller. That shit is nasty out of a keg.
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
ooo i forgot about RR
that stuff is actually okay out of the bottle, but reminds me too much of yeungling. cheap beer at a more expensive price
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only one who also thinks
Corona is a cheep beer at an expensive price?
And no a lime does not make it a good beer. It just makes it a bad beer with an obscure fruit in it.
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I am with you all the way on this
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
no
corona is cheap-o beer that is overpriced. dos equis is close, but i only get that at happy hour where its just a buck fifty.
on a side note, grab a bottle of corona. drink a sip or two off the top. refill that sip or two with a lemon flavored vodka. enjoy.
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
ooo
that is a fun idea, unfortunately i dont have lemon flavored vodka or corona ever so i will take your word for it
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I've tried that before
I think I took my sip to soon after adding the liquor though.
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
what's so obscure about limes?
it’s one of the singular most popular fruits in the world!
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
starfruit would be cool
speaking of…michelob ultra has a whole bunch of weird flavored beers now. the lime cactus one was actually pretty good
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
clearly you havent been to florida
key lime pie baby. never fails to satisfy
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Spoken like a true Californian ;)
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Aug 3, 2009 1:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
MGD
is decent beer which I do not think deserves this list. That is all.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
:-)
it wont let me post just the emoticon, so heres a comment
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
well
I dint thin Yeungling deserves to be anywhere near this list. So there.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
as cheap beers (by price)
They both deserve to be on the list.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
uh...
MGD isn’t as “cheap” as the others.
MGD, Miller Lite, High Life
Coors Original, Coors Lite, Keystone
See the progression?
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
miller high life tastes like corn
then again, corn is probably better than the horse piss that is keystone and milwaukee’s beast
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Miller Lite has a taste???
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 3, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
yes (high life does)
and it is very much like corn
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah
Misread, my bad.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 3, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
you are most correct about miller lite tho
although i prefer it to bud lite
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I drink Coors Original…but only when I attend banquets.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
i dont see why "the banquet beer" is good marketing
if i was a beer, i’d want to be far more versatile than just a “banquet beer”
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
or something like “not just used for beer pong”
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats where the versatility of High Life really comes into play
Its application extends well beyond beer pong. quarters, kings, the list of possibilities is practically endless.
funny you should mention that
the last time i drank high life, i was playing kings
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe you just don’t attend enough banquets to fully enjoy the opportunities that the banquet beer could afford you.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
apparently not
im gonna get on improving my banquet attendance
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Flying Dog
You guys get much flying dog out your way?
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
i feel like i've had that
and i think i got it at trader joes
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I just had the Flying Dog
Belgian Wheat this weekend. It was very good
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
World Beer Tour
Once a year my wife and I along with another couple host a World Beer Tour where everyone that comes over has to bring at least a 6 pack of import. You can bring your bud/coors/etc. but you still have to bring the required sixer. It’s a good time. We had about 40 people over this summer and two years ago about 60. My friend and I drank for free for about 2 months afterwards.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
just imports
or do good microbrews from the US count?
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
micros too...
but you have to stay away from stuff like corona and all your big lite beers.
two of the guys are from New Zealand and Argentina so we usually get some good stuff.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
i dont drink corona or lites from micros
only good IPAs, or lagers, or whatever
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Brewery out of Colorado that makes about 6-7 different beers all under the Flying Dog label. There are a couple of them that I really like.
You probably have. Being a 3.2 state it takes awhile for us to get beers from out of state.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
oh man, HST's beer
it is so damn good.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Aug 3, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
i have family out near boulder so chances are, i had it there
wegmans has it too
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Flying Dog actually does most/all of their brewing in Frederick, MD now
It’s almost considered a “local beer” here in MD. It’s not my favorite, but it’s pretty good.
speaking of frederick
they have a place called brewers alley that makes great beer. i hear that they are planning to start selling a few of them in stores
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Did not know that.
I do enjoy the slogan though:
Good beer, no shit.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
No kidding
I was at Buffalo Wild Wings in Westminster on Saturday night, and they had a huge bar with about 12-15 beers on tap – but they were all just different types of macrobrews. The closest they had to “good beer” was Magic Hat #9 and Sierra Nevada (which is what I got). The closest thing to a local brew was Backfin Pale Ale, which sucks. I mean, they had Newcastle, Killians, and two different Leinenkugels on tap. What the hell? Who drinks that shit?
ahahah
i love buffalo wild wings and/or buffalo wing factory, but yea they only have the macros. sierra nevada is the one exception. i really want to find a place that specializes in quality microbrews from around the country. i’d be there all the time.
side note: sweetwater tavern has good beer. snake river pale ale or whatever they call it now is really good
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are all in NoVA, eh?
I only have one friend who lives in that area, and he’s not only a huge flake, but doesn’t really drink beer. I go to the Batemans in Towson and it’s not a brewpub, but they really have a great selection of local beers. They have Loose Cannon on tap, so I always get it, but if I ever want something different I have a lot of other good options to choose from.
yea sweetwaters are in nova
i cant find any place that has good local brews from around the country on tap tho.
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The Yard House
I went to it in West Palm Beach this summer and they had 100+ beers on tap. It was insane, and the best part was that the servers all knew their shit. They could tell you about every beer and what beers you would like from what you already like. I think its mostly a west coast thing though unfortunately.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
100+ beers...WILLIKERS
field trip anyone?
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Max's in Baltimore has 80 beers on tap
The only problem with Max’s is that it’s always super crowded and the bartenders don’t give a shit about you and your indecision. Either let them know what you want of they’ll go to someone else.
not bad
but mostly macros or realllly popular micros/imports
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I got it
Bought 12 bottles in a sampler and I enjoyed them all. Good stuff.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
if i see it at wegmans, i'll buy it
ive recently enjoyed sampler packs from saranac (both the summer pack and the trailmix), longtrail, and redhook
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
haha thats why i asked if he was speaking from experience
i’m at work and can’t look this stuff up, but check out collegehumor and/or youtube for the bro rape clip. thats some funny shit involving natty ice
Yeah Derrick Comedy? Or something like that
Hilarious video.
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
yea
great shit man…..“the police are outside?….why are the police outside? they should be inside….a police station…..eating donuts, looking at the prints…from fingers!”
Natty Boh is a pure summer beer for me.
I never drink a lot of it, because you can get something better. But it’s my favorite beer when it comes to having one-two of them while watching baseball or crabbing (which I haven’t done this summer or the last)
THe whole crab business depresses me. I’m never going to a crab feast again, I’ve realized how wasteful they are. Make some crab dip, crab soup, keep it respectful. If WE can slow down our crab intake, the rest of America can too. The rest of America steals like all of our crabs.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Aug 3, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
They should sell it at the yard
and it should be 2 bucks, tops. Then i’d drink it at the game. Alot of it, probably.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
Which is one reason this isn't going to happen
If they are going to deal with drunks, the Orioles probably want to make sure they are getting paid.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 3, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
i'd argue they make bank off of natty
2 bucks a pop is way more than it’s worth plus most fellas would buy in bulk……..
You have to remember
Then people are not buying the $6 beers in bulk anymore.
I would rather sell 1000 (per game) – $6 beers over 4000 – $2 beers anyways. The profit is probably close to even and you dont have to deal with 4 times the drunks and the fact that your field is basically a bar.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
true
but i could make for a more exciting game. not that i dont enjoy GREATTTTTTT pitching or anything
But don't you think by this point...
we, as Orioles’ fans, deserve to drink our sorrows away?
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
then sneak it in
thats far cheaper anyways
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
amen brotha
been there done that and i never fail to enjoy that cold coors lite with INSURANCE to tell me my beer is cold like the rockies.
Haha
That’s what I already do. God forbid they ever start patting people down like the Ravens’ games do.
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I have to ask.
I know how easy it is to sneak in liquor, but how to take enough beer in?
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Aug 3, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
And keep it cold
that seems like quite the accomplishment to me
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno how to keep it cold
But i just wear soccer socks and tuck 2 beers in each sock.
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
hey I have an idea
FREEZE the beer and let it melt.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Aug 3, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
that is still impresive
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
cold was an issue
i tossed in some of those flexible ice packs with 10 already cold frost-brewed coors lites in a diaper bag. a friend of mine took this in. neither of us are married or have children.
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
deserves some applause, a diaper bag is ingenious
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, they would
But how much cheaper is Natty Boh than Miller Lite? How much do they mark up Miller Lite?
The cost of the beer is a very small fraction of the price that they charge you (obviously). Also, I’m guessing that ARAMart (do they still have the contract?) has some say in this.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 3, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
oh ps...totally off topic from any discussion here
but i totally agree that strasburg shows little passion for the game if he refuses to sign with the nationals
corrected
If he allows boras to keep him from signing
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
On a side note
How different would you perceive baseball if somebody paid you $15 million to play it all the time?
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
see, thats not what annoys me
i mean, i think thats far overpaying him, but if he does not accept that kinda money just so he doesnt have to play for the nationals would make me question how much he really wants to play. he’d get a shot in the majors with the nats wayyy faster than he would anybody else if he goes back into the draft. i can accept a veteran like roy halladay wanted to go to a contender after pitching really well for a crappy team, but i feel like you have to earn your keep before you can dip out on a shitty team just cuz they suck. for example, see crow, aaron. he’s making several mil less now, plus he’d probably fairly close to the majors by now had he signed with the nats. the nats actually arent that bad, they just have no pitching, which crow (and strasburg) would have/could help
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
its true
And if he does it just to get on a better team i hate to break his heart but the padres/orioles/royals are not more promising.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
i dunno about that
their pitching totally bites, but willingham, zimmerman, and dunn form a pretty solid core of the lineup. nyjer morgan and cristian guzman arent bad hitters either. their defense and their pitching brings them down (as well as the front office), but i honestly consider only orioles (and maybeeee the pads) to have more potential. the royals are still moseying about with orioles castoffs.
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this
And the nats have some promising young pitching prospects that could help them.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
Zimmerman has never lived up to the hype, he seems to be an average hitter at best. Guzman hits for empty average. Willingham and Morgan are far from proven commodities over a full season. Dunn is the only proven legit commodity in the lineup, and he’s gone after next season. And it’s both the starting and relief pitching that are a trainwreck And you already conceded that the defense is awful. The team is probably ten pieces away from contending, and there’s no way they get more than five of those pieces out of their current farm system.
his career .813 OPS (.858 this season) disagrees with you
hes hitting .293 with 20 hrs and 68 rbi. notice that this streak has oddly coincided with willingham starting to hit. if he has decent protection, he is a very solid hitter
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
he looks like he is having a breakout season this year
and at 24 the .850 OPS version of him could very well be the Zimmerman that we continue to see
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
that would be fine by me
he’s improving his throws too. hes gonna be just fine for the nats. hell, i’d loovvveeee to see him in an o’s uniform. maybe we can give up melmo and hill for him
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
"But it's a rebuilding year"
I can understand dismissing the crappy Orioles second half with this reason. The O’s have a number of guys who need to learn, and the core of what we’ve been told to expect as the rotation of the future has only one MLB start.
However, I sure would feel a lot better with the “it’s a rebuilding year” excuse if some of the existing pitching seemed to be settling in. The starting rotation is a mess, but so is the bullpen. Who is going to step up and anchor the bullpen? Who’s going to step up and be a closer? None of the “veterans” with at least a couple years under their belt have stepped up. Albers, Sarfate, Johnson, Hendrickson, Ray… Johnson has been the best, but does he project to anything more than a set up man? We have to wait for more youngsters to do it? One of Hernandez, Mickolio. Perhaps Patton is a wild card. I think Liz is a bust, and Erbe is too far out to tell.
I guess I’ll have to tolerate “it’s a rebuilding year” for the remainder of a long August and September. But dammit, can’t a couple pitchers step up and at least make it a little more tolerable?
I worry most about top prospects stepping up
Because once the rotation isn’t such a glaring need you can move the guys who just miss out to the bullpen to upgrade it that way.
Improvements from Reimold, Bergesen, Jones, Wieters, Tillman, Matusz and even Markakis are all I look for. We can take care of the bullpen after the rotation and lineup.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree on the rotation.
I didn’t want to be too much of a downer and question the odds of three kids all coming up and forming the nucleus of a good starting rotation. For all the talk about “grow the arms”, I really think the O’s will need to buy or somehow package a deal for a decent starter.
every team
Always needs another starter. Look at the red sox this year. ESPN may have lusted over their “depth” but injuries always happen and the back end of a rotation is usually bad.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I guess the O's luxury
is they have all of next year to also consider a building year and they’ll see how the top three pan out. Then they’ll have to make a decision on what they need to acquire. That’s sure how it looks to be panning out.
hopefully all of these guys stepping up means guys like berken are left over for the pen
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
how could i forget hill?
answer: easily.
“you know why nobody remembers YOUR name? it’s cuz nobody WANTS to remember YOUR name”
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
You think Berken will have a spot though?
I initially thought Berken would be a good set-up guy, but giving up early runs in his starts. In his last 3 first innings he has given up 10 runs!
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
true but albers gave up about 4014703174 runs with one out
so cant hurt
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
actually thats a lie
it did hurt….very very much
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not super worried about the bullpen
It will come along once we have the rotation set. Don’t forget we still have Koji too.
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm mostly only bothers me for the remainder of the year.
Just something to help ease the pain of the swoon.
Yeah I feel you
As the convo above states a good frosty beer helps ease the pain for me. I think with the botched looking rotation right now, August is going to be as ugly as ever. And I do not 100% agree with bringing Brian up. Hopefully, he makes me eat those words though.
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Matusz
http://www.masnsports.com/index_blog_roch.html
"To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion."
Each pitcher has his own timeframe
Lets hope he does well. But this means that we have had 3 top prospects come to the majors for the first time in just this year. Exciting stuff.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Brian Matusz boarded a plane to Detroit, per Roch. Whoooooooo I'm so excited.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
the banner ad at the top of my screen currently shows:
“now you are equipped to root for the red sox”
when did i ever ask to be equipped to root for the red sox?
resistance is futile
You don’t need an appreciation for the game or for the history of the game – you just need a pink hat and suddenly you’re endowed with the power of THE NATION.
i want one with that lil 4 leaf clover on it
so i’ll be a LUCKY member of THE NATION
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
What woman?
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
yea thats what i was alluding to
her and her fucking pink hat
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You know being a woman and such
Why do they have to make us pink hats, like we can’t wear a reg cap and t-shirt that isn’t all girlied up. I blame Alyssa Milano
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
but i agree with you
i dont understand all the pink crap
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It like just started a few years ago.
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
probably when all them folks jumped on the PHN bandwagon
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah that would be right.
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
THE GREEN HATS
they should GHN
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 3, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
hey she reads my blog!
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 3, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw a shirt last night that said “It’s Obvious. You wish you were a member of Red Sox Nation.” I didn’t realize it was so hard to get in – everyone and their mom is already there, for crying out loud.
I saw a pink Markakis shirt yesterday
To be fair, it looked like one of those cheap ones you buy outside the stadium for $10 or so.
wow that looks perfect
right name on it too. i think anusface would look great in pink
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Well it should say Papeldouche
But this works
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole team really
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
Thats horrible
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
Yeah it is
and if you google pink Os jersey I get no hits
by John Stephens on Aug 3, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
pink and orange dont really go together
plus i cant think of any player on the o’s who is as douchey as anusface
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
HEH maybe Huff
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
yea but as far i can tell
hes fairly respectful to the competition (not including joba chamberlain) and doesnt do fucking jigs on the baseline in underarmor spandex
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok not as douchey but I still say he is the closet douche we have on our team.
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
i guess
i still feel like melmo at least respects the competition (maybe not his own manager).
plus he doesnt do fucking jigs like a major tool
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Remeber the rock and jock softball games?
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
They were every summer on MTV.
Baseball guys vs. rock stars.
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
well there ya go
i never watch mtv. actually, i dont really watch tv unless its 24, reruns on usa, or sports related
Well this was about 15 years ago.
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
I watch a lot of reruns myself.
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
Yea USA is great.
I love law and order CI and SVU. Jeff Goldblum is great on the new CI’s.
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
Physch
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
eh psych and ci are okay
monk is worse. so glad that show is finally ending.
svu, house, ncis, in plain sight, and burn notice are great. royal pains isnt horrible either.
Have to agree Monk was is bad.
He won like how many emmy’s for that crap.
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
I like Burn Notice a lot
Started watching because of Bruce Campbell, stayed watching for the great show. Although I do most of my tv watching on Hulu.
same here...hulu really is taking over the world
i watched the full season of 24, house, and CSI (the las vegas one) on hulu. i catch burn notice there too
Can NOT stand CSI Miami
David Caruso is soooo annoying.
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
Burn Notice really picked up about halfway through the second season
I only watched the first because i was bored, now its something I really follow regularly. Royal Pains is also mildly amusing until real shows start up again in the fall.
They've really developed a niche for mindless but well put together shows
Everything on television doesnt have to be award winning to be worthwhile. Its nice to see a non-premium channel developing something other than awful reality tv.
exactly
i love that the shows there are easy on the mind. i guess thats why i enjoy NCIS too. something about that show (prob DiNozzo and Abby) makes it a much less dramatic and more enjoyable CSI
The channel has really come along way and developed into one of the best.
"You don't EVEN KNOW who Nick Markakis is"- .....My 4 year old daughter to another kid.
"I'm a Country Boy"- ......Alan Jackson
Somebody had to make that themselves.
There are websites where you can design jerseys yourself I think.
Our old friend Wade Townsend was just released from the Rays
Due to injuries and suckiness. That wasted top 10 pick the O’s used on him in 2004 hurt the rebuilding process, even worse it was right before they changed the draft rules to compensate a team an equal draft pick for failing to sign selections.
Townsend’s failed number 8 pick in 2004 turned into a sandwich pick in 2005 (number 48 overall). That pick turned out to be Garrett Olson. So we can thank Townsend for Felix Pie I guess.
thats another good reason why you DONT opt out and go back in the draft
these guys waste away in those independent leagues
by twistedlogic on Aug 3, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i know
but in an alternate universe you know….
it just sucks the O’s lost a top 10 pick
He actually got less money from Tampa anyways
Although I think he wasn’t a top 10 talent at the time. Bad situation all around anyways
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
aaron crow was the same way
he got wayy less (2-3 million) by passing on the nationals. i really dont understand why these guys pass up on the big bucks.
paging a copy editor/proofreader
From that Jim Williams article:
He won’t get the money that he expects to get from the Nationals and won’t be pitching in the Major League’s till [at least] 2011.
Journalistic grammar and punctuation sink to new lows every day.
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
On a related topic
This is unbelievable. In the New York Times, of all things.
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Aug 3, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
wow. that's astounding.
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
I think Strasburg
Should put in his contract that he has to be in the major leagues by a certain point of 2010 and lower his bonus demands a little bit. Both teams would win, Strasburg hits arbitration and free agency earlier and the Nats spend less money up front
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
if strasburg is as good as everybody says (i can happily say that UVA beat him in the CWS in front of me very eyes ;-] ), then he’s gonna get bigggg bucks as soon as his contract expires.
I don't know about his point
Not sure what the Expos tell their fans if they fail to sign the #1 pick two years in a row. They almost have to find a way to sign him.
Okay “Fans” may have been a little too strong; what they tell their “Fan”.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 3, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
disagree
that would just perpetuate the cycle of shittiness that is the MLB draft. supporting that kind of crap is what helps the large market teams get even better at the expense of the lesser teams. the nationals will NEVER get better if they continually pass up on the best talent just so they can have a better chance at signing the player. yea, not signing the player also doesnt help, but at least it exposes the kind of crap that takes place and hopefully gets corrected within the near future
Eh
I mean I definitely see your point, but I think the downside of drafting him and not signing him is soooo much worse than what you describe above that it makes it a more prudent move to just draft the next best available person and save yourself the headache.
There needs to be a rigid slot system of some kind...
Though by the same token, the Orioles have benefited from teams picking “signable” players over talented players recently, see: Wieters, Arietta, etc…
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 3, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
*arrieta
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 3, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
well wieters was the 5th pick
i cant say that the 4 guys picked ahead of him were just for signing purposes (except for that guy that pittsburgh took)
but, it was definitely common knowledge
that he was the best position player available though and only Price rivaled him overall.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 3, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
this
is true
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
very true, very true
plus the pirates should be kicking themselves for screwing that up. i mean, he signed with the o’s….and the pirates would have traded him already
Steve Melewski's take on Melvin
Nothing different from what’s been said, but very well put I think. It makes me sad to have to be annoyed and angry at Melvin.
http://masnsports.com/2009/08/now-what-for-the-os-and-mora.html
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Ponson just got DFA'd
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
Mora for Ponson?
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 3, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess the O's and Nats are interchangeable to SI
From an article on players clearing waivers:
6. Mark Hendrickson, Nationals reliever: Serviceable lefty relievers have value.
SI should get some proof readers.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
this got me thinking
If the nats and orioles were merged into one team, would they make the playoffs in the al east? I decided that they would probably finish 4th.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
nope but we'd be okay in the NL east
we’d replace melmo with zimmerman, huff with willingham (who’s going to get lots of time at 1st according to jim riggleman) and we’d have another solid catcher, oddly enough named jesus. not to mention we’d have some great young arms…
and you can have Dunn DH
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
DF
designated fielder
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
but combined still not too effective of a bullpen
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
Offense would be excellent
but the pitching would still be a work in progress. I’d like that team a lot for 2010-11, particularly if Dunn could DH.
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Aug 3, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd definitely trade Guts/Hill/Berken/Koji/Hendo/Waters? for Lannan
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Aug 3, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe but we'd have a surplus of starting arms and the rest go to the pen
tillman, matusz, strasburg, zimmermann, lannan, arrieta, berken, guthrie, stammen…
you get the point
Yeah no way could the pitching be enough to contend
Not in the AL East anyway.
1B – Willingham (can he really play there?)
2B – Roberts
3B- Zimmerman
SS – Guzman
OF – Markakis
OF – Jones
OF – Reimold
C – Wieters
DH – Dunn
SP – Bergy
SP – Lannan
SP – Hernandez
SP – Tillman
SP – Guthrie
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
actually
delete Guthrie, add Stammen.
Forgot about him until I saw twisteds. He’s not great, but he’s younger.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
stammen is starting to pitch really well
although jordan zimmermann has ace written all over him. scratch hernandez and add “matusz.” hernandez could easily be the closer…
I almost put Matusz in there
But decided to go with guys who have thrown a pitch in the majors
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
then who is in the bullpen?
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
oh the options
guthrie, detweiler, hernandez, berken, johnson and other assorted arms (i have no idea what the nats have in the pen other than burnett). matusz too i guess
gotta keep Claw Megadeath
Hernadez as the closer
Johnson to set up
Guthrie and Maybe Clippard as long guys
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
I can't name any Nats relievers
Beimel got traded….who else is there?
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
thank you wiki
57 Jason Bergmann
17 Sean Burnett
36 Tyler Clippard
26 Logan Kensing
29 Jorge Sosa
41 Ron Villone
54 Mike MacDougal
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
burnett looks good so far
clippard has generally been up and down. bergmann = old version (and i think less talented) of jason berken
Claw Megadeth
Only 1 “a” in Megadeth.
Trust me on this.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
yeah my bad
i looked at it like a minute later and thought it wasn’t right
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
yeah
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
Bench options
Luke
Izturis
Wiggy
ZAUN
Willie Harris
Nyjer Morgan
Jesus Flores
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
and we can have Pat Listach as our thrid base coach instead of the windmill
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
Riggleman just because he went to Frostburg
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
flores, morgan, izzy, and wiggy
morgan is felix pie upgraded edition, izzy in case we actually want defense at shortstop, flores is way better (and way younger than zaun), and wiggy cuz he plays everywhere. mora can also be a bench player so he can bitch and moan about his playing time and playoff skills.
Team name?
Oriles?
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
Oh wait!
Natty O’s!
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
by daveh873 on Aug 3, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
genius dave!
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 3, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Strasburg
If the Nats actualy sign him when he gets called up, i would go… asuming they are home. Would anyone else want to see Strasburg’s debut?
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 3, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
I would be interested in it as a baseball fan
But I wont be around most likely and I dont think I would interested enough to go to DC.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 3, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Infield due for some changes--your thoughts?
If Melvin is finally done, then Wiggy looks like starting 3B for the duration, which means our #1 backup around the infield is off the table. Dino is fine for short, and can sorta kinda play 2nd, but definitely can’t cover either corner. Luke has had a few reps at first, and having him spell Huff every now and then at 1B would ease the congestion at LF/DH a bit, too. But what about 3B (and 2B, too)? While we’re at it, much as I like them both, I don’t really see the sense of having two light-hitting, slick-fielding SS on the roster. So, assuming we are not going to pick up a legit MLB 3B out there any time soon, that means we really ought to replace Dino with a utilityman in the Wiggy/Freel mold. Any thoughts?
Call up Justin Turner?
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
here's a little gem to bury deep, deep in the open thread...
Nude photo of Joe DiMaggio, circa 1940
hey, it was good enough for Marylin Monroe.
1933 was a bad year
by Senatorrosewater on Aug 3, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions
This photo was on wikipedia for a while
but was recently removed. Here’s some insight into the picture, posted as a quote because a link to the discussion would be very NSFW:
Post by Rodney on Nov 18th, 2006, 4:27pm
Methinks if anyone wants to see the full frontals of Messrs. DiMaggio and Feller, you had better go there now. On the discussion page, there are already two posts slamming the images, on grounds they do not depict nudity in sport, rather nudity in showers. (I suspect the REAL reason is they find pictures of naked men either embarrassing or gay.)
Pictures like this, of male athletes showering, were quite common decades ago. Of course, the images would be cropped at the waist before being published, but it’s interesting that the originals have been kept all these years.
In my collection of sports memorabilia is a 1952 yearbook of the A’s baseball team. In the yearbook is a picture of Eddie Robinson showering. Again, the image was cropped, but the caption read something like, “What do you think, girls?” Also in the yearbook was an image of Bobby Shantz wearing nothing but his undershorts.
I recall reading about Stan Musial’s last day in the major leagues (for those outside North America, Musial was a pro baseball player with the Cardinals during the 1940s, 50s and 60s.) The team filmed his entire last day, including him changing clothes and showering. I know because I read about it in one of the baseball magazines of the day. The author did not find it shocking at all, rather matter-of-fact. The year was 1964, I think.
I’ve made the point before that in the culture of the day, it was expected that men be naked in certain all-male environments. For DiMaggio, Feller, Musial, or any other athlete to have resisted being photographed or filmed in the nude by a male cameraman would have been considered unmanly—-unthinkable.
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