Tuesday Open Thread
Matoooooooooooooooooooooos!!!
Wieters to catch Matusz's debut - baltimoresun.com
#1 pick will catch #1 pick tonight.
From BGSU Orange to Baltimore Orange
A nice local-boy-makes-good piece about Nolan Reimold, formerly of Bowling Green State University.
Cecil Whig - Elkton, MD > Sports > COLUMN: Late swoon may be positive
John Davis of the Cecil Whig argues that if Strasburg doesn't sign with the Gnats, the Orioles should tank the rest of their season and draft him next year.
LOCAL BRIEFS: Palomar's Webb signs with Orioles : North County Times - Californian 08-03-2009
All of Baltimore breathed a little easier as the Birds finally signed their 30th-round draft pick. Brenden Webb, a centerfielder, will report to the Gulf Coast league.
Weaver's Tantrum: Pitchers on the DL
Dave over at Weaver's Tantrum is rightfully pissed that Earl Weaver was snubbed in the Sporting News' 50 Greatest Coaches of All Time (in any sport).
Seattle Post-Intelligencer: MLB
My ex-boyfriend Daniel Cabrera signs a minor league deal with Diamondbacks. Remember Cabrera Bowl? That was fun. Until it wasn't.
Mora, Trembley settle dispute | orioles.com: News
Melvin Mora and Dave Trembley patch up their differences. Also, Melvin states, "I don't have hair on my tongue." In case you were wondering.
This is your open thread.
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mora /trembley sit down
i hear trembley had a natty noh and mora had a smirnoff ice.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
melvin would have a smirnoff ice
i saw a youtube video regarding smirnoff ice that essentially sums up my view of that beverage. i wont post it here as it is not appropriate for all viewers
I would be thrilled to see Strasburg in Orange and Black
However we already have a surplus of pitching.
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 4, 2009 8:00 AM EDT reply actions
no such thing as too much pitching
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
true
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 4, 2009 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions
but I will say my socks are a lot like pitchers
A lot of them stink
Has there ever been a cooler Oriole than Eddie Murray? I mean, just straight up cool. Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08
by 33 on Aug 4, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
who?
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 4, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
oh the kid that won't finish high school
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 4, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Am I a bad person
because as soon as I read
“When asked about his goals as a ballplayer, he replies, “Be in the Hall of Fame, definitely. Play in Yankee Stadium. Play in the pinstripes.”
I started thinking of reasons I didn’t like the kid? I mean, he wants to be a freakin’ yankee and with Boras as his “advisor” that’ll happen sooner rather than later.
You're not the only one. I immediatly thought he was an egotistical jerk. Don't like him at all.
Plus, we have Matt Wieters.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Aug 4, 2009 9:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nobody liked Aubrey Huff either until he started hitting for us.
I dont like Harper either, but I would changed my mind the second we drafted him.
He also plays shortstop and 3rd base. Even if he stayed at catcher, he’d be at least a few years away and we could move Wieters out to first or DH to save his knees (assuming he’d sign an extension, if he’s going to skip town i want to wear out his knees as soon as possible.)
hey i liked aubrey huff when he signed
i thought he was fairly overpaid, but he was still a good acquistion for us (although i questioned the need to sign him)
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
he seems like a total douche
“I love playing against the older guys,” Bryce says, “because I love showing up the older guys.”
Charming.
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
Oh the Cabrera Bowl!
Those were good times.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
what was the cabera bowl?
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 4, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a competition between zk and SC
Because zk loved Danny Cabs and kept thinking that he’d get his act together, and SC hated him and knew he was worthless. They kept track on the sidebar every time Cabrera pitched. For awhile it looked like zk would be right when Cabrera strung together like 7 or so QS’s in a row, but well, you know what happened in the end.
http://www.camdenchat.com/2008/4/13/392279/zknower-1-danny-haters-0
http://www.camdenchat.com/2008/10/3/627792/the-cabrera-bowl-a-winner
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I would of been on SC's side.
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 4, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Easy to say NOW.
There were times when I was tempted….
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
I'll admit it.
I was totally on Z’s side. You know… until I wasn’t.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
Seriously
I was on SC’s side and then D-cabs put together some decent starts and I started waffling
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 4, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
ha...
do you feel like you have to dust off one of the hefty “annals of camden chat” volumes? seems like ages ago.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
the sad thing is it was only last year
but he’ll show you ALL with the Diamondabacks!
JUST YOU WAIT
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
Give it up, man
Daniel isn’t good enough for you. Let him go!
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
:-)
Dude man, 86 your girlfriend, she is so lame.
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Stacey's right, Z.
It’s time to move on. There are plenty of hard-throwing, wild-assed, frustrating fishes who will never pan out in the sea.
"Believe it or not, I read the paper." - Nick Markakis
so so true
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 4, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
bahahaha
i find it hilarious that the dbacks got dcabs. i was almost CERTAIN that the royals were gonna pick him up
Hee I like this from the first article
“I brought him in and talked to him a little bit, and he said, ‘Hey Dave, you think I can get an Oriole hat?’ He said, ‘The only hat I’ve got is a Bowie Baysox hat.’”
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I like the Idea of Tanking for Strasburg
Imagine a 1-2-3 punch of Strasburg, Tillman, and Matsuz. We would be the second coming of the Atlanta Braves(with hopefully more championships)
http://www.swagbucks.com/refer/Civardi
Hell, I’d take 14 straight division championships and one world series in that span.
But let’s be serious: the big three is going to be Tillman, Matusz, and Bergesen. How big that big three will actually be remains to be seen. Me? I’m optimistic.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
You've lost faith in Arrieta?
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
No I haven’t, I’m just not counting my chickens before they hatch.
…which is ironic, I know, considering what Tillman has done thus far and Matusz having not pitched for the big club.
Bergesen deserves to be considered among the big boys, though. He’s been really good all year.
Arrieta may not join the club until late next year. Or he could be a September call up in 2009. I was just showing faith in the guys who are here now who have either proven their value or have enough hype to make you think that they will do so.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
patience, grasshopper
guthrie had a season like bergesen’s
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
The difference is that Guthrie isn’t as young as Bergesen was asked to anchor a miserable staff (until recently).
I mean, sure, Bergesen could crap the bed next year, but again, I’m optimistic it won’t happen.
Maybe I shouldn’t be, but what can I say? I like 3E1N (a nickname which sounds like some kind of flu).
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
by Brett Jones on Aug 4, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like "berg flu"
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Unless you're referring to other teams
having come down with the Berg Flu (3E1N Virus)
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
by dayzd toe on Aug 4, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no way
hes on my fantasy team, and there are far worse things than players doing well on the royals (unless the o’s are playing the royals)
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 4, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
i have him too
but i also have brad bergesen and when considering fantasy (and real for that matter) value, bergesen >> butler. i now have 5 pitchers on the DL and bergesen was definitely one of the best on my staff
3E this year has been solid
Butler was a waiver wire pickup for me and he hasn’t hurt me, which is all i ask. 3E would be about the same except for pitching.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 4, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
ah see
billy butler’s effect on my stats has been minimal. bergesen has added wins and has been easy on my ridiculously high ERA and WHIP (thanks bunches jeremy guthrie)
value in fantasy
is largely based on need and my team with butler is diesel enough that i just needed him not to go 0 for 50 or anything like that.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 4, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Jakie-poo? Fine, Jake. He's struggling a bit at AAA but I see no reason to be concerned just yet.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
by LenaO on Aug 4, 2009 9:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jake
Jake is struggling, but he’s only been in AAA for a little while. Hopefully he turns it around next year and pitches well enough to get called up after the AS break…i think that’s reasonable
The O's will contend in 2010
by O's n Natty Bohs on Aug 4, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
this sort of talk is irritating.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
I hope they don't give him 84 tonight
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
bahaha
definitions 2 and 3 very appropriately explain what i meant there
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahhhhh
It is all so clear now
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 4, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry if that confused people
it was feeble attempt at a sorta backhanded joke
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
nah
those are just as good because you brush by it the first time and then eventually you get it and its just that much better
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 4, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I got it
I use 86 all the time. I’ve actually got it in my to do list here at work to 86 something. I learned the meaning when I waited tables. “86 green beans, sub steamed broccoli!”
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
thats where i learned it as well
works great for melvin. dude, 86 melmo. he’s so lame
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
And nice work, Oscar Salazar.
Had a pinch-hit RBI last night. In his last 4 games, he has 3 hits (all pinch hits), 3 RBI, and 2 doubles.
But hey, we got da CLAW!
The CLAW
Hey, I love the CLAW. He has pitched much better than anyone here had expected. I think he’s a fantastic 7th inning option. Please start grooming Mickolio to be our closer.
We now have 3 long men: Hendrickson, Bass, Waters
7th Inning: The CLAW
8th Inning: Johnson (hopefully he stops crapping the bed)
Closer: Mickolio
Honestly, what do we have to lose by having Mickolio close out games? We’re gonna lose a ton anyway. Atleast let him get some experience
The O's will contend in 2010
by O's n Natty Bohs on Aug 4, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
generally if you are bringing in the closer, you are winning the game
so what do we have to lose? the game…..
true, but if we ARE winning in the 9th, it's always nice to win
but yea, i guess we never really know whats going to happen anyways
hahah
i agree, if we bring him in and he blows it, that sucks…but then again, we honestly have NOTHING to lose…i’d much rather have us lose a ton of games this year while grooming a new closer (and getting a higher draft pick!), then have us get 5 or 6 more wins b/c we keep throwing crappy veterans out there
The O's will contend in 2010
by O's n Natty Bohs on Aug 4, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
def not
jj is not a crappy veteran, just hittin’ a rough patch now. the crappy veteran i speak of is baez hahah
The O's will contend in 2010
by O's n Natty Bohs on Aug 4, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
fox sports power rankings
say that the red sox offense suddenly looks formidable again with the addition of vmart. when was it not formidable? and if that lineup is formidable, then what are the orioles?
then again they also say the giants new acquisitions “maybe might be enough”
VMart also doesnt actually make them any better, it just makes them deeper
He’s been struggling recently so his offense isnt actually as good as his numbers suggest. And since Varitek is still going to catch a lot of games, Martinez has to then either replace Youklis or Lowell in the lineup, two bats hes not much of an improvement on. So it gives Francona a lot more options and provides some valuable insurance in case someone has to miss time, but it doesnt actually significantly improve their offense in any single game.
yea they mentioned deep too
but i dont see that it makes them “formidable” considering i thought they were pretty darn good before that. i mean, if the sox are only formidable now that they have v-mart, what are we?
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
For those games he does replace Varitek
Its a monster upgrade
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 4, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Is Michael Aubrey the new Oscar Salazar?
Tides’ Aubrey just keeping swinging
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
ps best news in that article
First baseman Brandon Snyder, 22, batted .378 (14-for-37) with 10 RBIs in his previous 10 games to improve his Norfolk average to .245 in 151 at-bats.
This news is promising. As long as he’s ready by 2011, and I mean really ready, then I’m fine with his slow start in AAA.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
same here
i’m still optimistic he’ll be ready for next year, but if hes not, it’s not the end of the world.
Well, to me, everything is building towards 2011. It’s difficult, and therefore rare, for a team to have the level of turnover the O’s have had even since the start of this season and contend by the next season, barring that turnover being Yankee or Red Sox-esque.
I just feel like we’ll know exactly where the franchise stands by 2011. If they are contending, and I don’t even mean winning but at least making the playoffs, then we’ll rightly hail Andy McPhail as a genius. If not, then it’s may well be difficult to buy into his team building strategy going forward.
We’ll see. Like I’ve said, I’m optimistic. Frankly, I think it’s impossible not to be optimistic at this point, what with the superb young OF and the young arms (Tillman, Matusz, Bergesen, Hernandez, and later Arrieta). Do the O’s need corner infielders? Absolutely. But 2010 will allow for further development of Snyder and Josh Bell and/or pave the way for a key bat at either or both positions to be acquired.
I really feel the team is a lot closer to contending than their record (and logic) would lead us to believe. Then again, we’re a long way away from the 1997 ALCS.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
Are they flipflopping who DHs?
Because they obviously are not both playing 1B at the same time. That would be silly.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
I think snyder played a little 3b
just to get his bat in the lineup, but that does not mean that he can play 3b with any sort of defense
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 4, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I looked at the first line of this post
and thought we brought back Luis Matos. Crazy.
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
God forbid.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
just a word on bryce harper
not that it matters, but I interviewed him for an SI Kids feature and he seemed like a really sweet kid. I don’t think we can really blame kids who grew up in the 90’s for idolizing the Yankees, especially if they’re from a place without a local big league team.
I mean, i find it annoying, but I don’t think he’s an egomaniac. not yet at least. I’m sure he will be one day.
by brooklynlovesorioles on Aug 4, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions
did yu see the thing that he said about playing older players?
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
competitive but uber-arrogant
if i was one of those older players, id want to bash his face in
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh
I mean if you’re a projected number 1 pick you’re going to be arrogant and competitive – you have to be because every game that you ever play in every player on every other team is gunning for you. Just the way it is.
Brian Matusz, Matt Wieters, all very pleasant first round picks. Bryce Harper makes me cringe.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
They were both a little different.
Both went to college, neither was a sure-thing number 1 overall pick. Neither had been on the cover of SI at age 14 or whatever. It’s a different situation.
I completely agree
High school phenoms think they are gods among men because they are in high school and they are the treated as a god by everyone around them.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 4, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone except their history teachers.
Just sayin’.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
Don't know if this counts
but if memory serves me right, he did coach the Maryland state hvyweight HS wrestling champ a few years back.
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
Yes, but I'm simply saying that Bryce Harper doesn't seem like a very classy dude. I don't care if he's a high school phenom, I still think he's a total douche.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
No person who has never played in the bigs is worth $50 million.
I wonder what kind of shit they’ll talk up Harper for.
i dont think a lot of the guys who have played in the bigs
are worth 50 mil. including the ones who are getting paid that kinda dough
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yea i think we all got off the subject here
he’s a douche. he can be competitive and even arrogant without being a total douchebag.
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I just think it comes with the territory. I've seen some interviews where he comes off as a pretty nice kid.
I think that quote is being misunderstood by the people here. Wanting to dominate older kids when that’s who you are playing against constantly is just competitive fire which is required.
It's not just that quote. I've read tons of his interviews, tons of stuff about him, listened to him talk, it all gives me the exact same message - he's a total douche.
I’m not meaning to offend YOU, I’m just saying what I think. And pretty much everyone else. ;D
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
look at papeldouche
is he being competitive? no, hes just being a douche
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there video of Harper dancing around like a douche after hitting a HR or something?
There’s an abundance of evidence that anusface is a dbag – I’m saying I’ve seen nothing like that about Harper.
i bet we could find something with him doing jigs on the field
but finding media with hs kids is hard. they gotta sign the release
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok
Well all I’m saying is that I haven’t seen anything that makes me think he’s a douche, and so far you guys haven’t provided anything either.
I don't have any links handy. If I really wanted to, I could go on a google-fest. However, no offense or anything, I have other things to do.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
Good deal.
Just sounds to me like you guys are jumping to conclusions, but if you’re confident in your judgment more power to ya.
I want to see
someone do a cartwheel or some shit after a HR. That’d be funny. Maybe break into a little dance about halfway down to first. Just go all out. I mean, if you are going to be an ass don’t half ass it.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
can he hit papeldouche's baseball?
huh HUH?
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously
that 60 ft or whatever it is from the plate to the mound makes a friggen huge hole
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
he did not say
I want to dominate older guys
he said
I love showing up the older guys.
Showing up=making someone else look bad/inadequate. It’s one thing to celebrate your own talent and quite another thing to denigrate someone else’s. I respect Mariano Rivera, and I respect his cut fastball, but if he said “YOU SUCK, YOU CAN’T HIT” to guys he struck out, I’d think he was a grade-A douchebag. Like certain other fist-pumping pitchers.
Harper is a douche. He may grow out of it since he’s 16, but right now, he’s a douce. Case closed.
"The single best thing any rebuilding manager can do, ever, is trade a relief pitcher in late July for a couple of solid prospects."
— Rob Neyer, July 30, 2009
I refuse to think he is a douche
And think more of it that he is 16 because after all part of being 16 is being an idiot in some way.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 4, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I should have been a little more diplomatic
Sorry to any teenagers on here. But when I was a teenager, my friends and I were terrible people.
I'm still an asshole.
But I was a much bigger asshole when I was a teenager. It was a good time. I miss it…
Also has he ever said anybody sucks or showed them up after hitting a HR off them?
If you know of something let me know. That’s all I’m asking for. The fact that he said he wants to “show up” older guys when he plays against them doesn’t really tell me that he’s a douche unless he actually does show them up with his behavior on the field or other things he’s said.
In case you ever wondered what happend to James VanDerbeek of Dawson's Creek...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiDozwWl5uo&feature=player_embedded
As SI.com says, maybe he should get working on the DC reunion special.
Let’s just say he played the part of Frank Mir to his opponent’s Brock Lesnar.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
Miguel Angel Sano
Without knowing anything other than there was an investigation of his age and that he is supposed to be an elite SS prospect, I want the O’s to get this guy. I like Izturis and Andino, but I don’t think anyone’s mistaking them for the best at their positions. Sure, Sano might not work out, but it would be something about which to have a great deal of optimism, much like the O’s outfield and the young arms.
My understanding is that he’s more inclined to sign with the Pirates because they’ve developed a better relationship during their time scouting him, but I don’t think it would be too difficult, even for the Orioles, to lure Sano to Baltimore if the freakin’ Pirates are his other option. McPhail has said that he will pay for bats, and although I question how committed he is to that strategy at times, I think this would be a good way to follow that strategy and get in on what should be a superb prospect on the ground floor (Sano is 16, isn’t he?).
Do you think Miguel Angel Sano is a player the Orioles should seriously pursue?
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
it's all about the money
he will sign for the most money. it has nothing to do with relationship, or what positions may open up in the future. it’s all about the money right now.
by brooklynlovesorioles on Aug 4, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I would think so too, in which case, money being equal, I suppose Sano would choose the Pirates over the O’s.
My concern is that the O’s will not offer an appropriate amount of money given Sano’s potential. Potential is a funny thing, though. If Sano lives up to it, the O’s are going to get a steal at any price, and if he falls short at all, it will be a black eye on McPhail. Not to me, you understand, because this is a team that I feel needs to take calculated risks like signing a player like Sano, but there will be plenty of folks who will decry the mistake of overpaying an unproven commodity.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
i wouldn't suppose that
when it comes to international signings, particularly in the DR, there is a ton of media manipulation. the Pirates brass is going to say things to Pirates beat reporters to make it look like they’ve developed a close relationship. unless those reporters are in the DR, they’re going to go with what their sources say. the espn guy who blog about this stuff is also speculating. teams will express interest but they will never tip off reporter as to how much they’re willing to spend. any reporter who says differently is probably full of it.
money is not likely to be equal becuase sano has an agent who is also talking to the media, to play teams off each other. in the DR there is also very little attachment to particular teams. they all make the same advances, give away the same team swag and play the same games. i doubt very much that he has any preference at all right now. one team will outbid another and that team will get him.
and don’t be surprised if the Yankees get invovled. they lost out on one prospect who failed his investigation, so hey have money to burn down there.
by brooklynlovesorioles on Aug 4, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
It would worry me if the Yankees weren’t to get involved, to be honest. I mean, you tell me that there’s a bidding war between the Pirates and the O’s over a prospect, and I’ll tell you a prospect with very little hope for success.
Of course, if the Yankees get involved, you can count the Pirates and O’s right out. A potential lose-lose situation. Or maybe Cashman flubs on this one. Well, one can hope.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
My thought is the MFY will wait
til he is a proven product then just buy him out from under the team he signed with
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
i like everything i've seen and heard...
izturis is pretty slick w/ the glove and for a position player w/ a weak bat to win a gold glove, you’[ve got to do soem special shit in the field, i think. sano sort of looks like he could be more int he tejada mold, though he’s got cal size.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Aug 4, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel like if you get in on the ground floor with a guy like Sano that you can prevent the complacency that led Tejada to become a mediocre fielder and a diminished threat at the plate. Or maybe they just need to give Sano the same PEDs Tejada was on in Oakland and in his first two years in Baltimore, I don’t know.
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
He projects as more of a 3B
Because when he continues to grow scouts think he will grow out of SS. Also we should not consider our current needs when signing a 16 year old. The O’s should go after him, especially since it looks like our 2nd round pick wont sign (he is a SS as well).
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 4, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
So did Cal
and he managed to stick at short for 15 years.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
Cal was the exception
You can’t count on exceptions with prospects. If he can stick at short then he is obviously that much more valuable, if not then no worries.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 4, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought
Luis Matos came back as a pitcher with that “Matooooos” at the beginning.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I'm so glad.....
That Wieters will be doing the catching and not Zaun like with Tillman. Tonight Wieters starts another hitting streak and has his first 2 homer game.
Whats the correct way to pronounce his name?
Matoos? or Matis?
"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'"
Earl Weaver
I always thougth it was pronounced Matt-its
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
from what i heard...
it’s Matt-uss
The O's will contend in 2010
by O's n Natty Bohs on Aug 4, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
good point
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow." ~ Earl Weaver
Joe Angel too
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Aug 4, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
amber went to school like 20 minutes from me. she was my high schools rival
guess that means i would never be able to marry her. damn, and she had so much potential being my future ex wife
"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'"
Earl Weaver
future ex-wife?
damn i wasnt thinking that far ahead. i was gonna start with future wife…..
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
future ex wife
thats classic
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 4, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
it's definitely
MaT TITS… :)
But seriously I think its Mat-uss… as O’s & Bohs described.
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
that sounds too close to "my tits"
depends where you are from…..some people say stuff like “ma baby” and the like………
just sayin
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
supposed to...
because he is going to be The Tits!
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
It just links to an earlier post
to give some background for those who may not know where “The Tits” came from. Totally SFW (other than, of course spelling “The Tits”).
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
So O'Malley is backing Light Rail for both the Red and Purple Lines
http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/commuting/bal-red-line0804,0,4455464.story
Anyone have any opinions? Anyone care? I’m sort of a transit nerd so this interests me. I’m not a big fan of the light rail as it currently operates (shares right of way with automobiles, has to stop at red lights, etc), and the idea of a single-track tunnel seems ridiculous. Like the current light rail, compromises might ruin the usefulness of the Red Line. I hope I’m wrong, though.
forget light rail
the purple line is a waste of money. funny you should mention transit nerd. i’ve always wondered about how metro (assuming it was competently managed) could improve service by expanding to certain areas and rerouting the blue line. unfortunately its poorly managed so that doesnt make a difference.
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the idea of the purple line
routing transit through city centers, with the central business district as the hub, seems a bit outdated. There was a website that outlined a different sort of transit system that used a spoked concentric ring-type system, like transit beltways. Most people are using the beltway to navigate between suburbs, right? You could replace a lot of auto traffic with transit riders with a plan like that.
So the Purple Line I like, in theory. I just think Light Rail is stupid and slow and only chosen because it looks nice.
I just think Light Rail is stupid and slow and only chosen because it looks nice.
So sort of like O’Malley then? ZING
by kba26 on Aug 4, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
they chose light rail cuz its less expensive than three-track rail and a hell of lot easier to implement
all the purple line really does is connect the three metro line termini and add some stops in the middle. i cant really say its going to get the traffic predicted
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure
But wouldn’t Bus Rapid Transit be even cheaper? That was the alternative – and yet (white) people attach a stigma to the word “bus” so that plan was doomed from the start.
metro gives the word "bus" a bad name
with plain bad service in every operation it tries to handle
by twistedlogic on Aug 4, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
while we're totally off baseball...
were you serious about the iPod?
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
Ok. Just email me.
tch324 (at) g mail dot com
Jioe Flaacco, Hon!!! "He’s like a live JUGS machine."
I don't know if any number of train routes can have much of an impact here
I don’t have numbers in front of me as far as how many people are estimated to live close enough to take advantage of that Red Line route. Though being someone who majored in government, they can sure hire me to help figure it out. Hook a dude up with some insurance and I’ll do all that leg work for them.
Anyway, it just seems to me that the majority of beltway congestion is the result of people coming from, and going to, places that are never going to be connected by any transit lines. People going from Towson to Linthicum, Owings Mills to Columbia, everyone who’s going to flood this area when BRAC expands the Aberdeen Proving Grounds personnel, commuters who go from Hanover, PA to wherever it is they go… these aren’t problems solved by building some trains that don’t connect these places.
I can’t envision profitable mass transit routes connecting those places, either, because it’s really hard to get that critical mass when you’re going from one suburb to another. That would have to be heavily subsidized. If designed and run properly, it would be worth it. But suburb to suburb train routes are going to have a lot of environmental impact and probably personal impact as well – the dreaded eminent domain rears its ugly head.
On a theoretical level it’s a great idea but I can’t imagine the real-world implementation.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 4, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally,
some days I wake up and I’m radical enough to suggest that all of these places be connected by bike paths, but then some other days I wake up and realize that that’s not a realistic solution. It kills me though that I spend most of my time in Towson and it’s not connected to any sort of rail transit system. I mean, there were streetcars that ran straight down York Road not fifty years ago and now I gotta get in my car to go anywhere? I sure as hell can’t ride my bike if I want to stay alive.
I think you’re right that effective public transportation that satisfies the theoretical goals of the Purple Line isn’t possible without a paradigm shift in the field of transportation planning. But if that’s the case, why are we going to spend $2+ billion on compromised plans that don’t seem to have much real value? The Red Line will be nice for tourists (Red Sox fans) to get to Fells Point easier. I might even use it from time to time to get from Timonium to Canton and back, depending on how fast the trip takes. But is it work a billion dollars for what amounts to a half-assed plan with little public support? I wait for the day when technology allows us to realize some of these dreams economically and effectively. But this isn’t the time.
Can someone provide a quick paragraph about Matusz?
I have never watched highlights of him, and all I know is what I have read: great ERA, not an overpowering fastball, but he has 3 major league pitches. Any extra info would be very much appreciated!! :-)
Especially those who have seen him pitch in Bowie.
This is from Reddrummer9187's post
Brian Matusz:
The #4 pick in the 2008 draft and it was him or Justin Smoak. Both looking great so far. He was and still is considered very polished for his age. An analyst at BA said that neither him or Tillman “will blow you away with their stuff”, but they know how to pitch and good things like that. Polish and control can be underrated and blow you away stuff can be overrated in my opinion. If he has four Major league level pitches and two of them are “plus” pitches, his stuff will be fine at the next level. You combine that with control and polish like it sounds like he could have, then he is a future ace. At this point he has dominated A+ and AA ball this year. He is my vote as the pitcher that will be the best. His 9.8 K/9 and 2.4 BB/9 are very promising to say the least.
The rest of the article
Dang, just looked at schedule. Tillman and Matusz this weekend in Toronto, Matusz against Halladay on Sunday
I miiiiiiight just have to go to Rogers Centre for one- if not both- of those games.
Ryan Howard and Jimmy Rollins video
Great video of Howard and Rollins doing a promo for fantasy camp.
Huff has gone back to being Huff. Deal with it.
haha that is a hilarious video.
Why didn’t the O’s ever think of using 6 or 7 pies after that little streak they had going?
yea that is bullshit
send him down if he explodes, and gets lit up. Dude has a 0.00 ERA in 4 games so far. Sure, it’s a small sample size, but wait until he actually sucks (which I didn’t think would necessarily happen)
It's not just you
Fanshots are almost invisible. It’s a shame, because they serve a valuable purpose but are almost impossible to notice if you aren’t actively looking for them.
I'm not quite sure why they're so overlooked
They are literally right under the Fan Posts. I think there used to be an Ad between them, but not anymore.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
That's a lot of scrolling Stacey
I already do enough inside of the fanposts. Let’s face it, our fingers are cramped up.
Haha. For reals though, it is just too much for me to read between game threads, day threads, recaps, and fanposts. And then take into account I read BTSC and some others selectively, its a ton to take it.
Here's the solution
Stop reading all of that other crap and only read this website :-)
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
They look like older Fanposts at first glance
There’s a lot of text in the right column and it kind of runs together. I almost think that the right side of the page should just have two buttons on top of each other:
FANPOSTS (2 New, 4 New Comments) ()
FANSHOTS (4 New, 1 New Comment) ()
And then you can click on whichever one you want you maximize, or both, and all the stories will be made visible under each button. You could also click the buttons again to hide the stories. Just a thought.
Not a bad idea
Perhaps in a future update we’ll get something like that. I also wouldn’t be opposed to posts moving to the top based on their comments. I suppose it could get confusing if people are commenting a lot, but that way active posts would stay visible as long as people are talking about them instead of sometimes getting pushed off the front page. Although I guess rec’s do the same thing.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
but people don't rec much
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 4, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
At all
I’ve tried to get people to Rec more often by standing on my soapbox, but all they did was Rec my comment about Rec-ing. haha
by Johnny_S on Aug 4, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
How did I know that was going to happen?
God dammit…haha
by Johnny_S on Aug 4, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Because this site is full of smartasses? :)
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Aug 4, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
that seems like a good answer
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 4, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I was speaking more of fan posts
rather than comments.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
They are overlooked
Because the good stuff usually ends up front paged or in a fan post. Also since nobody looks at fanshots, usually people make fanposts if they have something good to share.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 4, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
for me, fanshots = video clips and pictures that do not require lengthy context
And now that we have a great daily open thread… fanshots seem a bit superfluous. Although they’re great for when you don’t want to wade through hundreds of comments.
open threads
have been great for getting rid of a lot of the crap that built up in fanposts and fanshots but i still may only glance at the titles of fanshots
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 4, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yay I posted that!
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 4, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It has probably one of the best lines I've ever heard
Earl: “I’m gonna be in the hall of fame!”
Ump: “For what, fucking up the World Series?”
Also: that was some swift and sweet deletage on the front page
I went to type in a “Dusty fucking sucks” rant and got 404: Not Found’ed. A good job by all. Here was my response, because it was already written and my mommy told me never to be wasteful:
RE: Speculation that Dusty Baker may be in the running for O’s manager
Got any links? I truly doubt there’s any Dusty speculation other than from misinformed, imaginative fans that populate the blogosphere. We’ve already traveled down that road, anyway. This organization should be too smart to even think about hiring Dusty.
We're cracking down, after all :-)
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Something like that
would make me not even want to root for the orioles, because we would be that much more hopeless
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 4, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Melvin in the lineup tonight
Per Roch.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
What's the one thing, if anything, that could take away from the Matt-Uss debut tonight?
Melvin Mora.
Please don't say things that make my heart stop
Wiggy at 1B, Huff at DH. You know it’s bad for Luke when they don’t let him bat against the Tigers.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
He's saving his mojo for september, I hope
because I just looked at the September schedule for the first time and it’s making me cry.
why?
all those divisional games… thats when we make our run at 1st!
Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.
I couldn't decide
If I wanted to laugh at this comment or not. Although funny, its sad at the same time.
You guys are a bunch of pansies!
You’re worried just because in September the O’s play 5 games against the Yankees, 5 games against Boston, 7 games against the Rays, 3 games against Toronto, and 3 games against Texas? You’re completely overlooking those 3 games against Cleveland!
I heard a rumor that the Orioles are going to hire John Gibbons to be their strength and conditioning coach so he can whip those sissies into contenders by then anyway.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
+1
thats is glass half-full speaking if i ever saw it!
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 4, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
ya don't say things that stop hearts!
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 4, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i have a really bad feeling that..
the big three won’t be all they’re hyped up to be.
"Hey ump, how about a warning? Sure. Watch out you don't get killed". -Moonlight Graham talking to an umpire after two straight pitches at his head
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Aug 4, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions
Settle down...
You are only saying that because Tillman hasn’t been a Cy Young in his first two outings. Tillman is going to be just fine and has good stuff. He showed flashes of brilliance last night but you have to recognize there is still a learning curve. He has never seen hitters this good before and he will have to make adjustments. Personally I am more excited about Matusz then I was about Tillman. His numbers are just sick… Lets hope for the best but at the same time realize that all hot prospects dont translate into hall of famers. I would hope that 2 of the 3 pan out for us to be solid starters for a couple years and something to build around. Cheers, Jonathan
by Wieters Wieners on Aug 4, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It's easy to get discouraged in the face of the "long view"
and it’s also easy to get impatient and sell the future for high-priced veterans. The Orioles are committed to a 2011 timeframe. That’s what we’re looking at here – over a year away, and that might be optimistic. The hard work and failures of today will hopefully turn into the successes of tomorrow.
Here, check this out:
Failure: The Secret to Success
There is that chance
I dont think you are old enough to remember generation k so read on up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_K
For the record I am not old enough to remember generation k either but I’ve heard all about them and its a cautionary tale for getting too excited about pitching prospects. Anyone who wants to be a debbie downer about good pitching prospects brings them up.
However I think this is more of a worst case scenario than the likely scenario so give these pitching prospects time. They probably wont be generation k or Smoltz, Glavine and Maddux but somewhere in between that very large continuum.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Aug 4, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude. Only one of them have thrown a pitch in the majors. Of those who have, he's had two outings where he hasn't been terrible, just unlucky. Chill yo selfffff.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
there is no such thing as luck
pitching seems to confirm that. you either make the pitch or you dont. if somebody hits it, its not “unlucky.” the only “lucky” hit in baseball is the infield hit that just seems to die in the grass and nobody has a play on it.

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