Let's get rid of Dave Trembley

" probably keep that chump into the next season, just like Dave got his job. "
But i believe Dave spent around 30 years in the minors, im pretty sure that makes him well suited to deal with the young players coming up. Also you didnt really provide a reason for firing him other then late season struggles, which happen ever year.

Also, if they got rid of Trembley they would promote some loser from within the organization to replace him and probably keep that chump into the next season, just like Dave got his job.

How could you admit that and then continue to promote the idea of bagging Trembley right now?

Getting rid of the Dave in the offseason spares us from giving an “interim manager” a chance as the O’s are quite fond of keeping those scrubs in place.

Look at the lineup today

Felix Pie – LF
Cesar Izturis – SS
Adam Jones – CF
Nick Markakis – RF
Aubrey Huff – 1B
Melvin Mora – 3B
Luke Scott – DH
Matt Wieters – C
Robert Andino – 2B

Pie and Izturis at 1 and 2?? Are we crazy? We’re giving the two prime spots in the lineup to two of our weakest hitters. That’s not because we don’t have good hitters, it’s because Dave Trembley doesn’t understand how to make decisions that maximizes a team’s chance to win.

Hey his son is in the minors….

“The Orioles did not play fundamentally sound baseball the first half of the 2009 season. Undisciplined hitting, poor communication between fielders, dunderheaded base running, loss of focus, lack of hustle, missed signals, throwing to the wrong base- all of these mental lapses were evident far too frequently, espcially among veteran players like Melvin Mora, Brian Roberts, Aubrey Huff, and Nick Markakis, the very men who should be setting an example for the younger players.

Usually, when a team displays poor fundamentals, the finger-pointing is directed at the manager. He can’t hit or pitch for the team, but he can set the tone- and the marching orders- when it comes to doing things the right way.

What’s ironic is that manager Dave Trembley came to the Orioles as a preacher and teacher of baseball discipline and fundamentals. He honed his skills for two decades as a minor league coach and manager and prided himself as a man who taught young players the right way to play baseball.

When the Orioles brought him to the major leagues as bullpen coach in 2007, he was singing the gospel of strong fundamental baseball from virtually the first day he donned the black and orange. He said in spring training that year that he wanted to see the club reinstitute fielding practice before games, something all big league clubs used to do on a daily basis.

A few months later, when Sam Perlozzo was fired as manager and Trembley was named to replace him, he stressed that he would promote rigorous fundamental baseball for the club. And he hasn’t stopped talking about it since.

Why, then, is the team playing so sloppily under him, with many players acting as though their heads really aren’t into the game?

One of the problems might be that Orioles veterans accept losing too easily. Sure, they’d much rather win than lose. But do players for whom losing has become as perennial as spring tulips, Fourth of July fireworks and Labor Day picnics really detest it when they are easily beaten day after day?

In the Orioles clubhouse over the last decade-plus, losing has become the norm. Have players become complacent about losing? When you don’t expect to win, it doesn’t hurt as much as it should when you lose. It’s just another game, another loss- we’ll try again tomorrow.

Trembley admits that the team has displayed lousy fundamentals. “A lot of games that we have lost haven’t been particularly because the other team has beaten [us]; it’s been we’ve beat ourselves,” he said just before the All-Star break. “If we can eliminate some of the fundamental mistakes that have occurred, we’ll have a lot more opportunities to win more games.”

He then said he would stress that point when the team got back together following the All-Star game.

Maybe, but he’s been stressing it ever since he took over as manager, and the mental mistakes continue to plague his team.

Trembley believes the best way to manage is to communicate with his players and make them feel good about themselves. He does not yell at them. He does not fine them. He wants them to like him, because he feels that’s the best way to get the most out of them.

But the three best managers in Orioles history- Paul Richards, Earl Weaver, and Davey Johnson- were not well liked by their players. Respected, perhaps, but not liked. The haughty Richards rarely even talked directly to his players.

It’s more difficult to be aloof and a hardcore disciplinarian in today’s game. We live in a society where managers coddle their players, much like parents spoil their children. It’s questionable whether an Earl Weaver could even manage in today’s environment- at least the way he did when he was the reigning and raging Earl of Baltimore.

Trembley keeps saying his players must focus more and pay greater attention to detail. But will they if he never cracks the whip? The answer to that question might eventually determine how long the affable Trembley remains lord of Baltimore dugout."

- July/August 2009 Outside Pitch article

But then again manager should be the last thing that we fix. DT pisses me off with hit and runs and dumb lineups and such. But at least he isn’t batting Matt Kemp 8th. He seems to be doing a decent job with the clubhouse (minus melmo) so he can stick around for now i guess. There are just other areas that are worse about our team that I would rather lament about, and dont forget without DT we wouldn’t have Guthrie. Not that Guthrie has been great but still hes not that bad.

I gotta admit, for the first half of the season I found all this fire Trembley business really annoying. But now, I don’t know. Maybe the team likes him, and maybe he’s a great coach. But as a manager I just don’t have confidence in him. And I mean, shit, the Nats are over .500 since the break, they’ve won their last eight games. Is Manny Acta a bad guy or a bad manager? Maybe he’s just a bad fit. Same with Jim Tracy and the Rockies. I don’t know, I’m not sure that I care to pinpoint all the things Trembley does that I don’t like. I just know that this team seems to lay down and just take loss after loss. And maybe there’s someone who can do better.

I know this is a losing season. But I pay a good chunk of change to watch this team on mlb.tv. I pay to see them in NY, i drive to Baltimore just to see them at OPACY. The season may be a losing one, but I still want to see some hustle.

I would be ecstatic beyond all belief if Cal became manager. Talk about reinstating the “Oriole Way”… he’s the EPITOME of it.

But that’s just wishful thinking. What about Billy? He coaches alongside with Cal and he’s been disciplined in the Oriole Way. The right way. Plus, other than Ripken Baseball, I don’t think he’s doing much other than MLB Network.

I’d be happy seeing him steer this club.

we have lost 18 of our last 24. McPhail said that this was going to be a rebuilding year, and we would begin to see some progress in the second half.. so far i have not seen any of that. We need to bring in somebody that has a history in the Majors, not the minors, as a Manager (unless of course it was Cal). Someone who has been to the postseason before. I don’t think Trembley is going to be the guy who can lead the O’s back to the postseason anytime soon.

When the players all seem to support him. Perlozzo had obviously lost the clubhouse, and reporters got a lot of “no comments” when asking players about him. Thats not the case with DT, as Roberts, Markakis, etc have come to his defense directly.

If we do jettison Dave though, can we PLEASE hire someone who’s managed before? This is now 3 straight guys who never managed in the bigs before. Can we go a different route?