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Yankees 9, Orioles 6

New York Yankees' Jorge Posada rounds the bases after hitting a home run, as Baltimore Orioles first baseman Luke Scott stands nearby during the third inning of a baseball game Tuesday, Sept. 1, 2009, in Baltimore. (AP Photo/Rob Carr)

by Rob Carr - AP

2 months ago: New York Yankees' Jorge Posada rounds the bases after hitting a home run, as Baltimore Orioles first baseman Luke Scott stands nearby during the third inning of a baseball game Tuesday, Sept. 1, 2009, in Baltimore. (AP Photo/Rob Carr)

You'd have to be blind not to notice that there have been some tense moments around Camden Chat lately, and I'd be in denial if I said that I had nothing to do with it. It's another long, hard baseball season and personally it's taken its toll. It takes a toll on me every year, but this is the first year I've had a larger responsibility here. Don't get me wrong, I love Camden Chat. We have a wonderful thing going here. But for me it's been sort of amplified, the suckitude, at least compared to years past. So if I start acting like a biotech on anybody, my apologies in advance; just call me on it and I'll get over myself.

Tonight was yet another frustrating loss. My head says, "Who cares" but I can't help it. Watching the losses, listening to that pro-Yankee crowd, seeing another season end with a whimper, it's tough. It makes my stomach hurt. We keep banking on the future, but what if it never comes? What if there is 12 more years of this? Do I stop liking baseball? Because I can't keep it up, and I can't root for another team.

I'm sorry. This is self-serving drivel. It's not a game recap, not even close. I just can't wait for the day that fights don't break out about Felix Pie because we have nothing else to focus on, and that September isn't a month to dread and the the off-season isn't one of the most exciting times of the year. That's it for that kind of talk, though. It's depressing and useless. On to the recap!

David Hernandez pitched poorly. He only gave up four hits but he walked 7 and 3 of the 4 hits were home runs. Two of those home runs were hit with a runner on base who'd gotten there via a walk. Dennis Sarfate then made his triumphant return by facing two batters, both of which reached. Then with two outs and both of Dennis Sarfate's runners still on, Dave Trembley brought in Chris Ray to face A-Rod, because that's always a good idea. A-Rod at least didn't hit a home run, but he did hit a single to score a run. He looked awful but for some reason he went back out for the next inning where he gave up back-to-back home runs to Nick Swisher and Erik Hinske. Nice.

Anyone who has ever watched Chris Ray knows that he's garbage against the Yankees. In 18.1 career innings he's allowed 19 runs and 6 home runs. That's before tonight, by the way. But God forbid anyone on the Orioles pay any attention to that. Who needs strategy when we've got folksy?

The Orioles offense wasn't awful tonight. The Yankees allow an average of 4.69 runs per game and the Orioles scored six. Felix Pie hit another home run, Melvin Mora had a nice RBI hit, and Luke Scott hit a vintage LUUUKE 3 run home run onto Eutaw Street. But it wasn't enough, of course it wasn't. They had a few missed opportunities, sure, but you want to think that six runs would be enough. 

Oh, and Adam Jones hurt himself again.

Poll
Who was tonight's Most Birdland Player (MBP)?
Felix Pie (another home run)
16 votes
Luke Scott (beastly 3 run home run onto Eutaw Street)
77 votes
Nick Markakis (3 hits, 2 runs)
11 votes
Nolan Reimold (3 hits, 1 walk, 2 runs)
12 votes
Melvin Mora (3 hits, 2 RBI)
7 votes
Nobody
36 votes

159 votes | Poll has closed

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rotten game

Luuuuuuuke gets my vote for giving us a little hope before Chris Ray crushed our spirits.

by Steve. on Sep 1, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Yankees own Ray

It is what it is. Yanks own a lot of teams and a lot of players, and Ray is among them.

by PhilR8 on Sep 1, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LUUUUUUKE!!!

Joe Flacco's eyebrows have been charged with several penalties this season, most for acting as an "ineligible receiver downfield".

by ryuu on Sep 2, 2009 1:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Trembley

I share your frustration, Stacey. This team will be only marginally better next season unless they hire a real major league manager.
I’m staring at the Orioles 2009 Media Guide at Trembley’s career marks. He has NEVER been a good manager. His teams in the minor leagues almost always finished 3rd, 4th or last. His career minor league managerial record is 1369 wins and 1413 losses, for a .492 pct. His major league mark is 108 wins and 146 losses (not counting this year, which will make his pct. even lower), for a .425 pct. Major league total. Trembley may be a terrific person and would probably make a good bench coach, a sort of “good cop” to a Weaver-like “bad cop” team manager. But he is not a legitimate Major League Baseball team manager. Period. I think we have enough of a sample size at this point to come to that conclusion.
If MacPhail makes all these sophisticated and for the most part excellent trades and deals, only to allow mediocrity to run the ball club on the field, then, yes, it could be 12 more years of this.

by Fred Sanford on Sep 2, 2009 7:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

I think Trembley should be back next year. I was mostly frustrated when I wrote that. I don’t think Trembley is a great manager, but he seems to have the support of the guys and no matter how badly they screw up, they still seem to play hard. Maybe replace him in the future, but for next year I think he’s good with the young guys.

Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08

by Stacey on Sep 2, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trembley

I like everything about the guy except for his freaking pitch count. 100 pitch limit is ridiculous. You have to go on how the guy is throwing and not how many. Don’t get me wrong you don’t want to over work them but if the pitcher at the time is pitching good you don’t take him out. The reason Bergesen lasted long was because he made players hit the ball but he didn’t exceed 100 pitches much.

We are not going to be a contender if he keeps this philosophy of this 100 pitch count up. It is like we almost need a player that refuses to come out of the game.

by Oriolebird88 on Sep 2, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The pitch count may be not his decision. The front office may be directing him.

Birdman is too sexy for this website.

by birdman on Sep 2, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Ray in last night WAS his call

and that was a Perlozzo-esque move.

Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "

by duck on Sep 2, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

precisely my point, duck

He may be a “good” manager from the players’ standpoint.
But he is not a “winning” manager. And his lengthy record of managing (20+ years in the minors and majors) bears this out.

by Fred Sanford on Sep 2, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You like everything about him except for that????

How about leaving Greg Fucking Zaun in to hit with the game on the line and better sticks on the bench???

How about bringing in a sidearm righty to pitch to 3 straight lefties???

How about having zero idea of OBP when setting the lineup???

How about batting Melvin Mora 5th for the first 4 months of the fucking season???

The man is a moron. Plain and simple. He might be a good guy and a players manager, but he’s half retarded when it comes to game decisions.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 2, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just have to RANT!!!!

IM TIRED!!!! Im am tired of the losing. I am tired of the team giving up in September. I am tired of the constant babying of the pitchers. Why did trembley take Castillo out in the sixth? He gave up one hit struck another out. I can’t stand the lefty to right type of match up. Im sure the guy didn’t make it to the majors because he could just get right hander’s out. I kind of don’t get this taking Tillman and Matusz out, I understand we aren’t going to win anything and protecting there arms but letting them throw for an additional two weeks isn’t going to kill them. I mean they are going to let Hernandez and Berken probably finish up and they have never pitched this much. Anyway I am 21 years old and the orioles have been losing for 12 years now. That means my whole child hood has been pissed away with poor baseball.
I don’t know it just didn’t hit me till last night but I am so tired of it and for the first time ever I no interest in this team right now. GO RAVENS!

by Oriolebird88 on Sep 2, 2009 8:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I understand we aren’t going to win anything and protecting there arms but letting them throw for an additional two weeks isn’t going to kill them.

Berken (-21 IP) and Hernandez (-1 after last night) are fine for the rest of the season. Tillman (+1) is going to be getting close to the +30 mark by the end of the season, but should be ok with proper management.

Matusz is the one I’m really worried about. He’s already +30.2, and i haven’t heard any word about shutting him down. You can say another two weeks wont kill them, but he’s already overworked and it very well might. The next start could be the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back.

by kba26 on Sep 2, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

I don’t think the extra innings are slowing them down. Matusz is coming off a 7 inning shut out against the indians if i can recall. More Major league experience is not going to hurt Tillman or Matusz .

by Oriolebird88 on Sep 2, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he gave up one run on sunday(1ER, 4H, 1BB, & 8K) but I agree a little more expirence can't hurt

unless they get hurt which is why they are shutting them down I think

Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax ~ Mike Royko

by Graham71681 on Sep 2, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It has nothing to do with how their pitching right now

Theres siginficant evidence that an increase of more than 30 innings over the previous season presents a serious injury or regression risk the following season.

This article from a couple years ago goes over it, and the overall trend is pretty convincing stuff.

by kba26 on Sep 2, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats the problem

With our generation now a days. People are babied. Twenty years or thirty years ago they wouldn’t be sitting people down. What im saying the last outting of matusz shows that the additional innings arn’t hurting.

by Oriolebird88 on Sep 2, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they want to take this road

Id rather them put them on a smaller pitch count (less than 80 pitches) than shut them down for the season.

by Oriolebird88 on Sep 2, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

People are babied?

Sheesh. It’s to avoid injury, and it’s been proven.

Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08

by Stacey on Sep 2, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, they arent hurting him NOW, but theres a good chance they will hurt him in the future

Say you wanted to run a marathon in a couple months, would you go out and run 20 miles tomorrow? Of course not, because you’d hurt yourself and ultimately delay your training. You have to work your way up to 180+ IP, its not some mythical lack of toughness that all pitchers today seem to share.

by kba26 on Sep 2, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

compared to the rest of the year, we're not "losing more" really.

The first quarter of the year wasn’t even very good, we were immediately eight games under .500 at the quarter pole. We haven’t done that bad in the last quarter yet. We’re like 5-7 I believe.

Anyway I voted for Melmo because that was the part of the game I got to hear on the radio on my break. I was like yes.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Sep 2, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHA

http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20090901&content_id=6739152&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&team=home&c_id=bal

on the web site under the box score it says David Hernandez is the winning pitcher. We are so ass backwards!

by Oriolebird88 on Sep 2, 2009 8:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It almost doesnt bother me anymore

football (both college and NFL) comes around at the exact high point of my frustration every year and eases my pain. Every year around this time I think “am I becoming a bigger Giants fan than I am an O’s fan?” because I just kinda give up through September. No more trips to Camden, no more “cant go out tonight, the O’s are on!”, no more “well, if we take these 3 series we could sniff 4th!”. I just dont really care anymore and I start looking to football.

I’ll always be a fan no matter what. I just dont know if I can be THIS MUCH of a fan for another 12 years of the same. Luckily, odds are against that happening, but I dont know if, after our 20th losing season, my living room will still have an O’s theme. Please Andy… dont let us down.

oh, and btw, the answer to my Giants/O’s question always turns out to be no. Especially about a week before spring training starts.

Matt Wieters can get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop in under one lick.

by daveh873 on Sep 2, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Went to this game..

Ugly. Just ugly. They really had me going for a while there, too, which makes it sting even worse. On the plus side, Luke’s homer was sweet. For those watching at home, how close was that to the foul pole? It looked like it took a mean curve.

Also, Memlo with the not sucking.. nice.

The MFY douchebag demographic was there in full force, noticeably more so than the two other games I’ve been to vs. them this year. Ah, September in Baltimore…

Team Relish

by kramertoneman on Sep 2, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly how I felt

except you missed the part where the computers in the box offices went haywire and left us standing in line for twenty minutes. Didn’t get a shirt because of it.

by Steve. on Sep 2, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's reletively easy to get a shirt from an opposing fan though.

But I wouldn’t be fiending for an Izturis shirt either.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Sep 2, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus… That sucks man. We already had our tix, but still arrived too late for our Cesar shirts.. Ah well, you get what you pay for.

Team Relish

by kramertoneman on Sep 2, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As an aside

Receiving an UnPeterAngelos Twitter update while at OPACY… glorious.

Team Relish

by kramertoneman on Sep 2, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My objective

    I was following baseball back in the glory days of the 60s and 70s. It was fun to have such great teams representing Baltimore. It was also a source of pride for the Orioles to be recognized as the best, most professional organization in baseball. The Orioles Way!.
    The most disheartening aspect of the last 12 years has been the degeneration of our franchise into a symbol of dysfunction and ineptitude. Syd Thryft. Albert Belle. Being divorced by Rochester. Sammy Sosa. On and on.
    We may never be able to compete consistently against the Yankees and the Sox. But, at least we can have a well-run team that can be a source of pride. I think that we are now on the right track. So, forget about the mounting losses in another lost season. Focus on the positive aspects of a team that is now making sound moves. We are now gaining a reputation as franchise on the rise. Until a salary cap is imposed, that is all we can expect. For a baseball fan, that is almost enough.

by BaltoBen on Sep 2, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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