If MLB Trade Rumors is true...
by backtocali on Sep 18, 2009 3:51 PM EDT
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Looks like the Orioles might target a big bat for the middle of the lineup for 2010. Given the fact that the O's have a deep farm system, with prospects to spare, this isnt a bad idea. At best, any big addition in the middle of the lineup pushes the team closer to the top of the division next year, and gives them confidence/momentum to make the big Rays like push in 2011.
That having been said, Prince Fielder might just be the guy (forgive me if this topic has been addressed ad nauseum on the board already).
Fielder is quickly pricing himself out of the Milwaukee market, and there is a lot of talk about the Brewers moving him this offseason. Personally, I dont thinkt he time to move him is until the deadline in 10 or in the offseason next year.
The Brewers need pitching. The Orioles have pitching prospects in abundance.
Using Sky Kalkman's Trade Value Calculator from Behind the Box Score, I come up with a value of about $28 million dollars for Prince Fielder, using 5 or so WAR's for the next two years, and an arb number of $16 million for 2011. Fielder is due approximately $11 million for next year.
Would Oriole fans accept Fielder coming to their team if it meant they had to send Jake Arrieta, Zach Britton, Brandon Snyder and Kam Mickolio? Those players, according to Victor Wang, of The Hardball Times, have a value approaching $33 million combined. You probably would have to overpay for Fielder for just a little bit after the year he is having in 2009.
This would be very similar to the deal that sent Mark Teixeira from Texas to Atlanta a few years ago. The big risk on the downside for the Brewers in this deal is that of those 4 players, probably none of them are MLB ready right now, and they might want one more piece to make it worth their while.
What do you think?
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noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
were not giving away 4 of our best prospects for prince fielder
Ray Rice is so agile. He's a whole new breed for agile you need a new word to describe his agility... UBER-AGILITY!
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Sep 18, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well i cant really say that mickolio is among out "best" prospects
he seems average to me
by twistedlogic on Sep 18, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then what is? if you wanted Fielder
To me, Arrieta is the only big name guy who you might have reservations in parting with.
Britton still has to prove himself at upper levels, Snyder is going to be a Overbay type of guy, and Mick is just a bullpen guy.
by backtocali on Sep 18, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't want Fielder
It’s a non-starter.
A Boras client who will be a free agent in 2011, when we’re trying to be competitive? And who’s a total head case, besides?
No, I’m not parting with a projected #1 or #2 starter for that.
Also, FYI, MacPhail has already made it clear we’re not parting with any top propects this offseason.
The 2010 FA class sucks. Why overpay? To become more “confident”? No thanks. I’d rather see how we develop next year, and take my chances on the FA class of 2011.
"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo
by zknower on Sep 18, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
*just to not be confusing
By overpay, I mean this: I’d rather pick up a FA in 2011 than trade the future for Fielder in 2010 and then have to re-sign him. Better to just wait until 2011 and sign him then.
"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo
by zknower on Sep 18, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Prince
and wouldn’t mind having him on the O’s, actually. Love his bat. But not for that trade (Jake, Kam et al) and especially not if he’s an FA in ’11.
What’s this about his being a head case? (I barely follow the NL, I just like what I’ve seen of Fielder routinely crushing the ball.)
by O Nina on Sep 18, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, the things I can learn on wikipedia
He’s a vegetarian! He’s the biggest vegetarian I’ve ever seen!
by O Nina on Sep 18, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh i'd be willing to part with those guys (except maybe snyder)
but not for fielder.
by twistedlogic on Sep 18, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I’d hate to see Arrieta and Britton go, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Snyder traded
by wscott on Sep 19, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i haven't seen anything so special from any of them
i kinda have an affinity for snyder because he grew up near me and i used to do winter ball at the place his dad owned (or at least was one of the coaches). it’s too early to say anything about britton tho.
by twistedlogic on Sep 19, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he lives for one thing: to try to show up his dad
…he is obsessed with beating all his dad’s records.
"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo
by zknower on Sep 19, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worked out well for Ray Lewis....
Whatever motivates you, man….
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
by duck on Sep 23, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you 100% z
Prince is going to eat his way out of the league before the end of his next contract. Only a contender with a huge need at first (like San Fran or something) should trade for him this offseason. The Orioles absolutely should not.
I don’t want that guy on my team. Especially because he WILL drop off coming to the good league.
by pipkin on Sep 18, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm
You know he’s a vegetarian right?
by O'sFan21 on Sep 21, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's genetics man. His dad was a fat fuck too.
Don’t just assume because a person’s fat they have a bad diet.
by O'sFan21 on Sep 21, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not assuming anything about his diet
I’m just pointing out that there’s nothing about vegetarianism that makes it automatically makes it healthy.
by kba26 on Sep 21, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s true that a person could not eat meat and still eat a lot of unhealthy things (mostly in the carb/surgar department), but I think generally if a person puts enough thought into their diet to become a vegetarian they are not going to do that. Yes that’s a generalization.
by O'sFan21 on Sep 21, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is probably generally true
All the cream and butter that went into the soup i made last night would be another good counterexample though. Its likely more true for vegans, although i suppose there could still be a lot of unhealthy oils in their diet.
by kba26 on Sep 21, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But oils and creams taste so damn good!
by O'sFan21 on Sep 21, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You dont have to tell me
That soup was delicious.
by kba26 on Sep 21, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roughly vichyssoise
but i sorta made it up as a went along
by kba26 on Sep 21, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not going to lie
I had to google that, but it sounds good. lol
by O'sFan21 on Sep 21, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lots of people become vegetarians...
…without putting a lot of thought into it. particularly teenagers.
i know of two people right now who basically became vegetarians in the last year for reasons that seem to have little to do with diet and everything to do with buddhism and/or spirituality.
which begs the question as to whether or not the dalai llama enjoys a good donut.
"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo
by zknower on Sep 22, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
every vegetarian Ive known
has had a horrible diet. I swear all this one guy ate were tofu buffalo wings and doritos. Not exactly in great shape.
then again, most of the vegetarians ive known were snowboarders, who dont exactly have a great rep for eating healthy anyway. In any even, NONE of them were anywhere near being “in shape”
by daveh873 on Sep 22, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My sister was a vegetarian
for like 5 years and she was healthy. Well, she drank like 7 cokes a day and chain smoked but her food choices were all very healthy. Then one day she decided she wanted a cheeseburger and just stopped being a vegetarian. She announced that she’d come to terms with the food chain.
I took this health/nutrition course in college and the professor was a vegetarian because of her religion. It was a Christian denomination, I don’t remember which, but basically the Bible never mentioned Adam and Eve eating any animals so it was wrong. She talked about it all the time. It seemed very inappropriate, but whatever. It was an easy class.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
by Stacey on Sep 22, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In regards to Prince
and the general discussion about vegetarians and healthy diets, I’m almost sure Prince has a personal chief/dietitian. Now whether he eats and follows the advice of his chief/dietitian is a separate matter.
"You don’t EVEN KNOW who birdman is!"
by birdman on Sep 22, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only reason to become a vegetarian that makes sense to me
Is how much food our cows eat, and how many people still have a hard time eating in this world.
90% of our corn goes straight to cows. Meat is VERY expensive as an opportunity cost.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Sep 23, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason?
I stopped eating red meat 2 years ago for a number of reasons. First was the fact that most of our red meat comes from disgusting factory farms where animals are treated horribly and half of them are unhealthy when slaughtered. Second was the environmental/global hunger impact that you mention. Third was the fact that red meat is just not that good for you.
by O'sFan21 on Sep 23, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i never eat red meat either
so damn expensive and just not that healthy for you. occasionally it can be good, but everything in moderation
by twistedlogic on Sep 23, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I love animals.
Especially in barbeque sauce.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
by duck on Sep 25, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pass
Two of our top prospects would have to go. I would rather keep the prospects especially since Prince is close to free agency.
"You don’t EVEN KNOW who birdman is!"
by birdman on Sep 18, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Prince and all
but his fat ass belongs in Milwaukee.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
by getxstoked on Sep 18, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm eating a donut right now 'smatter of fact
havent had one in ages and its quite tasty
by twistedlogic on Sep 21, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hanley Ramirez should be the target
How about Luke Scott, Nolan Reimold and Matt Hobgood for Hanley Ramirez? OK, it leave Pie in left, which admittedly is a big gamble, but it fills a big hole. Besides, finding a left fielder is much easier than finding a SS in the AL East.
by dj-squared on Sep 18, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Marlins aren't giving up Hanley
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
by getxstoked on Sep 18, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love it.
While we’re at it, I’d like to propose trading Robert Andino and Lou Montanez for Albert Pujols. Sure, it leave our bench a little thin, but a few key never-going-to-happen trades would really set this team up for the future.
by kba26 on Sep 18, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that deal
Four guys for Prince Fielder doesn’t smell quite right to me, especially if Jake Arrieta is one of them.
That said, the Orioles don’t have any hitters on the team or in their farm system that are likely to be the kind of power threat that Fielder is and the Orioles will need at least two of those to be competitive offensively in the AL East. Given how lousy the free agent class is for next year, at some point the Orioles very well might have to trade their precious prospects for a Major Leauge power hitter.
I know a lot of fans seem to that the Orioles must fill every single need with a guy who is from the farm system, but that isn’t how successful teams operate. World Series teams typically assemble their teams using every method of player development available to them.
by yurizanow on Sep 18, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh hell no
Al least 2 of those guys should have the ‘untouchable’ tag
"I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
by CoachOfEarl on Sep 18, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How many guys have had the untouchable tag in the last 8 years
that in hindsight you wish you would have traded. (I can only think of two that proved out) You got to give up something to get something. I would have taken this deal if it meant fielder for 4 years.
by b_duardo on Sep 19, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many guys have had the untouchable tag in the last 8 years that in hindsight you wish you would have traded.
We haven’t had a blue chip prospect since Jeffrey Hammonds. Before that, our best prospects were Matt Riley and Erik Bedard. And even those two were not as well regarded as Wieters, Tillman or Matusz coming up through the minors. I’m fine with letting go of the B prospects like Britton and Synder. But Wieters, Tillman, Matusz, and even though he’s not as highly regarded as the previous three, Arrieta are untouchable..
"You don’t EVEN KNOW who birdman is!"
by birdman on Sep 19, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
None really
Sure, Loewen, Liz, etc. didn’t pan out. It happens. If anything, we’ve screwed up trading guys we should have kept for guys that didn’t pan out (Fontenot for Sosa).
"I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
by CoachOfEarl on Sep 21, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we are still rebuilding...
…why would we deal any of our prospects? We have zero shot of winning the division next year, so why trade all those players for one season of Fielder (or Adrian Gonzalez)? I think we should try and you are available funds to get another team’s bad contract and a prospect primarily because I can’t see Lackey signing in Baltimore.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Sep 18, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fielder
would be yours for 2 years.
He is a FA after 2011. So you have him on hand in 2011 when the team supposedly makes its big push.
Brewers could throw in Hardy as well but that would cost at least Erbe too.
by backtocali on Sep 18, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't realize he didn't have five years yet....
but still wouldn’t want him for only 2011.
"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo
by zknower on Sep 19, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I meant
We would essentially be getting him for one year at best where the team was competing for a flag.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Sep 19, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And also
It would have to be a package to deal either Arrieta or Britton. I wouldn’t mind trading Snyder for an equivalent SS prospect.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Sep 18, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why trade a prospect at a position where we have holes (1st/3rd) for a prospect where we don't (ss)?
by O'sFan21 on Sep 21, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
snyder
I don’t think he’s much of a prospect. I hope I’m wrong, but I think he is a guy who won’t have the bat to play first or the glove to play third.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Sep 21, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
but why trade him for a prospect at SS? And if you don’t think he’s a prospect why would anybody give up a prospect for him??
by O'sFan21 on Sep 21, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stated that we should trade him for an equivalent SS prospect...
…because we don’t even have a guy like Snyder who can play SS (i.e., say 15% chance at being league average at his position). As far as why another team would want Snyder…I’m certainly no expert on prospecting so maybe another team sees something in him that may or may not be there. Surely the Rays saw something in Garza they liked a lot while the Twins saw something in Young they liked, though as I recall Young was the more highly touted prospect at the time. I can’t imagine the Twins would do that deal over again, but Young has played better of late.
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on Sep 22, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those were both major leaguers already - not exactly comparable.
And I just don’t know why, if the reason to do what you suggest is that we don’t have a SS prospect, you wouldn’t just hold onto him since we also don’t have a 3b/1b prospect.
by O'sFan21 on Sep 22, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither Arietta nor Britton
are going anywhere, not even for a bat the caliber of Prince.
Finding this magical ‘big bat’ that is going to make us contenders might prove to be the most difficult task of all, considering that anyone involved in a trade will want some of our very coveted young pitchers.
I still want to see what we have in Snyder, Josh Bell, and Brandon Waring before we get all crazy and start shipping out prospects for a corner infielder with power.
by sickuvitall on Sep 19, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The O's should trade for a big bat
when they are a big bat away from contending. Right now that is not the case. Arrieta and Britton are way to valuable to the plan to let go at this point.
When you're born into the human race you're given a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you're given a front row seat. And some of us have notepads.-George Carlin
by Afghanistan Steve on Sep 19, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Orioles should BUY a big bat
in the offseason of 2010-2011.
The 2010 season should prove enough of a success that it won’t be hard to attract someone to play corner infield. That way, if for some reason next year winds up being a step backward, we haven’t given up prospects that we shouldn’t have.
"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo
by zknower on Sep 19, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'd do it.
Like you said we are deep at pitching prospects, but not hitting prospects. Not to mention we can fill our rotation with quality arms in free agency, we will not be able to outbid for a power bat in free agency should it come to fruition.
by No More Steroids Please on Sep 20, 2009 3:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we won't be able to sign a major bat until we start competing
until then, our best shot is the trade. that said, this probably isn’t the trade i’d make. i’d probably make a play to try and get britton and/or arrieta off of the table.
by twistedlogic on Sep 20, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I'm saying trade is the way to go for a power bat whether its A-Gonz or P-Fielder.
by No More Steroids Please on Sep 20, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
i’m just saying i’d probably want to keep arrieta and britton off of the table and try to trade somebody else. we’d have to trade right now because i doubt the orioles are gonna be a hot team for FAs
by twistedlogic on Sep 20, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surplus value
Using Sky Kalkman’s Trade Value Calculator from Behind the Box Score, I come up with a value of about $28 million dollars for Prince Fielder, using 5 or so WAR’s for the next two years, and an arb number of $16 million for 2011. Fielder is due approximately $11 million for next year.
So $28M – $11M – $16M = $1M in surplus value, which is what you’re trading for. IOW, just someone like Brandon Snyder should get it done.
"I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
by CoachOfEarl on Sep 21, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Call me crazy
But I dont think that Doug Melvin would accept a Prince Fielder for Brandon Snyder deal.
Then again, he did give money to Jorge Julio this past offseason to be the 8th inning set up guy, so you never know.
by backtocali on Sep 21, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but
giving up $33M in surplus value to get $28M in value that you have to pay $27M cash for doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
If I was Macphail, the only arms I’d trade would be guys like DH, Berken, as reclamation projects who could work in the NL, not guys like Arrieta/Britton/Erbe.
This would work better for all parties if you subbed AGonz for Fielder.
"I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
by CoachOfEarl on Sep 21, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This seems to go against MacPhail's plan
It appears that MacPhail isn’t going to make any big time moves this offseason (I do feel a smaller move, such as trading Luke Scott may happen though). Instead he’s going to use the 2010 season to evaluate all of the younger guys. The second wave of prospects (Arrieta, Snyder, and Bell) will be up and we should have a better idea of the team’s holes. 2011 will be when the big pieces are acquired.
by edsachs1 on Sep 21, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
fuck me if it doesnt
"you know what the orioles could use right now? a day off." - joe angel
by swilhelmross on Sep 21, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At some point he has to actually do something
I’m all for being patient and seeing what they’ve got, but the fact of the matter is that no team fills all its needs through their farm system. There will come a time when it becomes appropriate for the Orioles to attract some one via free agency (which means they’ll probably have to spend more than other teams would) or trade some “untouchable” prospect.
I don’t think this will happen, but I would hate for the Orioles to become a team like the Padres or (lately) the Indians that always seem to be building for a future that never comes. At some point the future has to be now.
by yurizanow on Sep 21, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think this will happen, but I would hate for the Orioles to become a team like the Padres or (lately) the Indians that always seem to be building for a future that never comes.
In 2007, the Indians almost went to the WS and Padres played in a one game playoff to enter the playoffs. They built a future and it came. Unfortunately, it also went for them.
"You don’t EVEN KNOW who birdman is!"
by birdman on Sep 21, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2011 is when you do something
I think if we move to fast and acquire big guys too soon, we just become the same team we’ve been for the past 12 seasons. We’ll have a big bat, but not much else. Say we trade for Prince Fielder, only to find that Brandon Snyder is an above average 1B and we need pitching help (that Arrieta and/or Britton would have met). I just feel after next season we’ll have a much clearer picture as to what the final pieces are that this team needs to compete. I’m willing to sit through one more non competitive season to ensure long lasting success (on the record, I think this team without any major additions could stay around .500 if everyone stays healthy).
by edsachs1 on Sep 22, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team his horrible
They need a new guy at three of the four infield positions and the outfield is going to have to get a lot better to compete in the AL East.
Right now they can’t pitch either, although there is at least a possibility of that getting better from within.
How much clearer do you need the picture to be? What about the guys they have now gives you the hope they’ll improve by 2011?
by yurizanow on Sep 24, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Justin Smoak
Rather than giving up a few of our top prospects for Prince Fielder or Adrian Gonzalez and then losing them to FA a year or two later, why not trade some of our pitching “depth” for a bona fide slugging prospect like Justin Smoak who is with Texas. True, Texas doesn’t want to give up last year’s #1 pick, but if we offered some real potential pitching and a replacement 1B hitter, I’ll bet they would bite. It would fit alot better with McPhail’s philosophy of growing prospects, too.
Say, David Hernandez, Brandon Snyder and Sarfate or Albers for Smoak.
by fuddnelson on Sep 22, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No way does Texas
accept that trade, even if you give them both Sarfate and Albers.
It would take probably Arietta and a Caleb Joseph type to get Smoak…just sayin’.
by sickuvitall on Sep 22, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If not Smoak, then who?
Maybe Jake Fox from the Cubs? He could be the 1B we need and might only cost Luke Scott and a spare relief pitcher.
by fuddnelson on Sep 22, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And where do we find said spare relief pitcher? Have you seen the guys we've been running out there?
by kba26 on Sep 22, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind Smoak
I was simply implying that he might cost more than your original assessment.
I am more in favor of allowing Bell/Snyder/Waring to get a shot next year and seeing where we stand going into 2011, although I have no idea who would potentially be available.
by sickuvitall on Sep 23, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
…how the O’s could turn down this trade. Arrieta is a good prospect but underachieved this year. He’s behind both Tillman and Matusz on the depth chart and is older than both of them. Snyder is a throw-in. No other team will look at him as a difference-maker. Britton has had a good season, but doesn’t yet project as a blue-chipper. He may still completely flame out against better competition. I like Kam’s stuff…but you NEVER hold up a trade for a legitimate cleanup hitter for a RH relief pitcher. NEVER.
Roberts
Jones
Markakis
Fielder
Reimold
Scott
Weiters
3B (Bell?)
Izturis
That lineup is as good as any team’s. And…you haven’t touched Tillman and Matusz. Sure…it would be better if you could get AGonz instead of Fielder because he’s so much better defensively. But if you can’t…you pull the trigger on Fielder.
As stated above…the O’s will only get star players through development or trade. They’re not coming to Baltimore through free agency.
by sabertooth5185 on Sep 23, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, it's not as good as any team's lineup.
In fact, I’d wager that lineup would finish 10 games back in the AL East without career years from at least 3 starters. And a fully functioning bullpen for the entire season.
If we writ ethe check big enough, free agents will come here.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
by duck on Sep 25, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were not any better
a few years ago when we somehow managed to attract Miguel Tejada, Raffy Palmeiro, and Javy Lopez all in the same off-season. Never say never my friend. If the money is right, they will come.
by sickuvitall on Sep 23, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MacPhail on adding bats, from interview with Roch:
“I would say we definitely would want to address the lineup and add some bats – plural. Right-handed, left-handed. I could see where right would be preferable, but if it was the right bat and it was left-handed, that would be fine,” he said.
“We’ll be looking to do something with adding a couple bats. We have some positions where we have some flexibility and we’ll just see what the market offers over the course of the off-season.”
by O Nina on Sep 24, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
First, Third, and DH.
They need a third baseman and DH (or first baseman if they don’t like Luke’s D). DH’s will, once again, be abundant and cheap this year. Vlad, Sheffield, Thome, and Abreu will all be free agents. So, the DH hole will be easy to fill. The thirdbase hole will be more difficult. Figgins and Beltre will, of course, draw the most attention. It wouldn’t surprise me if the O’s seriously pursue one of these guys. It will put butts in the seats and both of these guys will, most likely, still be very productive in 2011. After these two, the next best available are Melmo and Rolen. I may be missing somebody, but, barring a trade, I don’t see any other possiblities.
by uneasy rider on Sep 24, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
meh
Vlad and Sheffield are 100 years old and broken down. Abreu has said he wants to stay in LA and I’m guessing they’ll probably want to keep him. Thome accepted a trade to the NL to be a pinch hitter only because he’s so desperate to win a ring.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
by Stacey on Sep 24, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Rolen...
…is signed through next season.
by sabertooth5185 on Sep 24, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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