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Dave Cameron at FanGraphs thinks Felix Pie would be great trade bait in the off season. I'd rather keep him. -Stacey

HeraldTribune.com: Expert at bat for Orioles' spring training renovation
"With all due respect to Nick Markakis, Adam Jones, Matt Wieters and other rising stars of the Baltimore Orioles, Janet Marie Smith might be the team's most valuable player as the franchise consolidates its Florida operations in Sarasota." - duck

Consumerist: Oriole Park Serves Up Sad Hot Dog, Ignores Pleas For Help
"When we went to Sunday's game, we purchased a Super Dog. The foil wrapper was kind of crumbled, but we thought nothing of it until we opened it up to dress it. It was a very sad hot dog." Oh, there are pictures, people. - duck

TheStar.com: Scutaro could be lost to Jays for season
"(Marco) Scutaro's plantar fasciitis has nagged him since late July, and Saturday he likened the feeling to playing with a rock in his shoe. But he said that afternoon that the foot felt better than it had at any time since the flareups started. "Yesterday was great," said Scutaro, who leads the team with 100 runs. "Now look what happened." Wow, losing a starter late in the season to ensure a collapse? Good thing that never happens to the Orioles. - duck

 

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I can't stand when my plantar fasciitis is acting up

It’s the worst.

"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer

by Baltimo on Sep 22, 2009 7:34 AM EDT reply actions  

As Walkoff Walk pointed out

The hotdog dude probably should have complained at the concession stand itself, not through the text line, which is usually meant for inappropriate fan behavior.

by pipkin on Sep 22, 2009 8:03 AM EDT reply actions  

That hot dog link didn't work :(

Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08

by Stacey on Sep 22, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I swear it was there yesterday

Consumerist took it down for some reason. Sorry.

Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "

by duck on Sep 22, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

you can still find it on google.

no picture though.

It was a Red Sox fan anyway. She texted the “fan assistance” number and held on to that hot dog all game.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Sep 22, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is a little mind-boggling

Take the hot dog back to where you got it. Were they really expecting someone to bring them a replacement hot dog?

by PhilR8 on Sep 22, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously.

i texted, and no one came to my seat to personally deliver me better food.

wahh wahh wahh.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 22, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just you wait to see what else I have in store....

Actually, I got nuthin’, but I figured I’d build up my week as OT mod.

Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "

by duck on Sep 22, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

yup, major +1 ikea boy.

"You don’t EVEN KNOW who birdman is!"

by birdman on Sep 22, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pie

If he’s just going to be a fourth outfielder, I think he’s more valuable to us on another team and with something useful in-pocket. Montanez or Fiorentino or any number of replacement level players can be a quality fourth outfielder. And that’s ignoring how spastic Pie has looked when he isn’t playing center (but he does play an awfully good center field).

If there is some better plan that involves him starting somehow, I’m open to hearing it, but I don’t believe Reimold or Scott are really DH/1B types (personal opinion).

Lotta people go through life doing things badly. Racing's important to men who do it well. When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.

by Andrew_G on Sep 22, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd like to see Scott traded

or worst case scenario put him at 1B full time next year while continuing to look for ways to trade him/improve at 1B.

I think that until Adam Jones actually plays an entire season without getting hurt, Pie is very valuable to the Orioles. Imagine where they’d be without him. Fiorentino would be the full time CF. I still think Pie could be a good or at least average LF given a bit more time out there, and he’s good enough that we don’t see too much drop off in production. If Jones or Reimold get hurt, Pie is good enough to fill in. If they don’t get hurt, I still think they benefit from having a day off or half off at DH every once in awhile. Nick too. I appreciate that he goes out and plays every single day but it’d be nice to give him 1 or 2 days off a year. If we’re going to be a team that competes we can’t be throwing Fiorentino out there.

Another thing, I know you say Reimold isn’t really a DH type and right now I agree with you. But I’d like to see what he can do with the bat in his 2nd year and totally healed from his achilles issue. If he keeps his plate discipline where it is and dials up the power a bit he’d be a great DH. And if Pie keeps it up he can move to LF full time. He doesn’t really have the bat for LF but he does have some power potential. And Adam’s bat plays for more power than a CF so it could turn out well.

I mean, I think of course MacPhail has to see what’s out there for Pie. Same for Scott, Guthrie, anyone outside of a select few. But I think that potentially Pie could really work out for this team.

Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08

by Stacey on Sep 22, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine where they’d be without him.

OK. Perhaps the O’s would have a several game lead for the worst record in the AL. They could even be ahead of the Pirates for the 2nd worst record in baseball. Pretty embarrassing, at least for the fans. The front office seems to have no lower bound in the amount of ridicule they’ll endure while they trot out years of crappy teams.

by drj on Sep 22, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's clear

that you and I are totally different. I watch the games and I don’t just pop in to talk about how awful and embarrasing everything is 100% of the time. Felix Pie has brought me and at least a few other people a lot of joy this season. It’s been rewarding watching him progress.

Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08

by Stacey on Sep 22, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I will never understand why some people want to just sit around and be negative all or most of the time. Life’s too short, people.

As for Felix Pie, he’s kind of like the mangy mutt your son found in street and just needed to keep to your unending chagrin. And then one day you wake up and realize that you’re looking around for the mutt to start your morning off right.

Lotta people go through life doing things badly. Racing's important to men who do it well. When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.

by Andrew_G on Sep 22, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what negative people always say

Lotta people go through life doing things badly. Racing's important to men who do it well. When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.

by Andrew_G on Sep 22, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

A bit touchy this morning, huh

 You do realize that rooting for individual achievements is what fans of bad teams are reduced to?

I watch parts of games, and even parts of the past set of red sox games this weekend that were to be avoided. I always look at box scores. I’ve advocated giving a Pie a chance all year (despite all the early criticism). So I agree that his brief spurt was good, but it has not been sustained. Trade him if his price is high and someone will overpay.

Next time, I’ll post links to some of the past “cheery” stuff, or be sure to include more, so your morning will be better.

by drj on Sep 22, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The next time you post something cheery

will be the first time.

Please don’t patronize me. I know the Orioles are a bad team. I’m under no illusions. But they are a bad team with a direction, something you never point out. Whether you realize it I don’t know but you certainly never say here. And I’d say there is a difference between rooting for an individual achievement such as 30 HR or something and watching a young, talented player put it all together and start to make a difference.

Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08

by Stacey on Sep 22, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh

have to disagree on this.

drj has been coming here for a long time. i don’t think he’s acting any differently now than he always has.

he tends toward the negative/“realistic”, but he always backs up what he’s talking about with why he feels that way. he comments specifically on the direction the team is taking all the time. i don’t like people who say “we suck. we suck. we suck.” but i think people have a right to say, “i can handle it if the rookie starters flail, because they’re elarning, but what’s the excuse of the veterans in the bullpen?”. it’s fine to critique the team, as long as you’re discussing something specific you’d like to see changed.

drj’s point above was, i think, the orioles would really not have been much worse off without pie than with him, and i have to agree. in both cases, the orioles have had a horrible year. one is perhaps slightly more horrible, although there’s no telling what happens if fio had come up earlier or lou montanez, doesn’t get hurt, etc. there would have been someone to fill in for AJ. pie just happened to fill that role really well this year. but in a discussion as to whether he should be shopped this offseason, the difference between 95 losses and 105 losses is probably not relevant to the discussion.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 22, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't actually think we do disagree

First of all, I’m not really sure what him being for a long time has to do with anything. But you’re right, he’s not acting any differently than he always does.

I never said anything about hims being trollish, which is what “we suck, we suck, we suck” would amount to. He’s very articulate and knowledgeable, but he’s one dimensional.

As for “where they’d be without him” both you and drj are looking at it in a results oriented nature, with those results being wins and losses. That’s not how I see it. This season was NEVER about wins and losses. If you don’t think the players and the team benefited from having a young, talented outfielder out there who is finally heading towards the potential he’s always had rather than a career minor leaguer, then we’ll have to agree to disagree.

Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08

by Stacey on Sep 22, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s very articulate and knowledgeable, but he’s one dimensional.

Then he’s not one dimensional. I guess I can sympathize with drj. This team is crappy and has been crappy for a long a time. If that means that I’m a negative person, oh well. But at the same time, this season isn’t about wins and losses, it’s about the development of young players as you say. On that note, I see good things and I’m optimistic about the future.

"You don’t EVEN KNOW who birdman is!"

by birdman on Sep 22, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't even know what that means

I do know that I don’t really feel comfortable discussing drj like he’s not even here and like he won’t read it. It’s weird.

drj, you know I don’t have a problem with you overall, even though the course of this discussion is making it seem like I do.

Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08

by Stacey on Sep 22, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

"You don’t EVEN KNOW who drj is!"

I’m just saying he’s not one-dimensional if you believe he’s articulate and knowledgeable.

"You don’t EVEN KNOW who birdman is!"

by birdman on Sep 22, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I concur...

This season is about starting to get a skeleton crew together for years to come and get our ducks/“birds” in a row. If Pie happened to fill a nicely needed void and set up a nice problem for next year (an overcrowded outfield) than that is indeed a positive. To just toss it aside as “Oh what difference does it make, a few extra wins to keep us out of the ML cellar” is irrelevant. And just because someone is articulate and knowledgeable doesn’t make them more than one dimensional. I can be mean and grumpy and be the same thing all the time… 2 adjectives doesn’t make someone versatile. In any case, I can see we are all just pretty pissed and frustrated about yet again another depressing September. We all could use the offseason to build up out thick skin again…

by Wieters Wieners on Sep 22, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

MOD FIGHT

not really, but i’ll weigh in anyway.

“we suck we suck, etc.” I didn’t say you said that. I was trying to point out the difference between “relentless negativity” cited in the community guidelines, and what drj does, which is look at a glass half empty, which he is perfectly entitled to do, and entitled to post about as well. as long as he backs it up with specifics, which he does. i certainly don’t consider him “one-dimensional”.

his being here a long time means he is a longstanding member of this community, and I certainly think that counts for something. the community evolves based on its core membership, and he’s a core member. i would cut him slack over someone who showed up here just yesterday, because he’s one of the people who helped build the place. (you could argue that AMA was a longstanding member as well, but there’s obviously a difference between a red sox troll and a disgruntled orioles fan).

“where they’d be without him”. It’s just answering the question. The team’s success is measured by Ws. The team’s potential is measured in other things. “If you don’t think the players and the team benefited from having a young, talented outfielder out there who is finally heading towards the potential he’s always had rather than a career minor leaguer,” I don’t really see how the other players particularly benefited from it. I can certainly see how Felix Pie did, and that’s a nice story. It’s great to see him headed in the right direction. Time will tell whether or not it sticks.

Lastly, if there’s a good offer on the table in the offseason, I’d have no trouble with Pie being moved. I like him a lot, and i think he’s going to be at least a serviceable major leaguer. But I’d rather have better infielders than a great 4th OF. Finding the latter is harder. I trust Andy to make that decision.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 22, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i certainly don’t consider him "one-dimensional".

That’s what she said.

Lastly, if there’s a good offer on the table in the offseason, I’d have no trouble with Pie being moved. I like him a lot, and i think he’s going to be at least a serviceable major leaguer. But I’d rather have better infielders than a great 4th OF. Finding the latter is harder. I trust Andy to make that decision.

If Andy decides to trade Pie, they’ll be plenty of teams in line. He’s an average CF with a good glove (this year withstanding). And he’s CHEAP. I imagine they’ll be at least one team willing to pony up a so so prospect for him.

"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."

by birdman on Sep 22, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it possible for us to ban each other?
"we suck we suck, etc." I didn’t say you said that. I was trying to point out the difference between "relentless negativity" cited in the community guidelines, and what drj does, which is look at a glass half empty, which he is perfectly entitled to do, and entitled to post about as well. as long as he backs it up with specifics, which he does. i certainly don’t consider him "one-dimensional".

I totally agree with you. I never in any way suggested that drj was being out of line, did I? I just thought I was disagreeing with him and having a discussion regarding our disagreement.

i would cut him slack over someone who showed up here just yesterday, because he’s one of the people who helped build the place.

Again, I don’t think any slack needs to be cut. You seem to think that I think drj did something wrong. The only thing I think he did wrong was when it appeared to me that he got a little condescending, with his “a bit touchy this morning post.” I don’t want to get all feminazi up in here with all these boys around me, but do men ever say anything like that to each other? But none of that had anything to do with our original conversation.

I’m not going to go into “where they’d be without him” again because I already explained my stance. Fine, you and drj think one thing about it and I think another. So be it. I will say that I NEVER said Pie shouldn’t be traded. My last line in my response to Andrew was, “I mean, I think of course MacPhail has to see what’s out there for Pie. Same for Scott, Guthrie, anyone outside of a select few. But I think that potentially Pie could really work out for this team.”

I just said I’d rather keep him in the clippings post because I love him as my son.

Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08

by Stacey on Sep 22, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

xxxxxxxxx, is that you?*

*I always forget the name of the crazy felix pie woman. Christina? Regina?

You seem to think that I think drj did something wrong.

That was the impression I got. I guess it was a mistaken impression. Arguments coming from a mod can be viewed just as arguments, or they can be viewed as warnings. Sorry for jumping to the wrong conclusion.

Do men say shit like that to each other? Yeah, I think they do, all the time. On this board even.

And I guess I thought you were advocating Pie not being traded because the first comment of the thread was in reference to an article saying he should be and you seemed to disagree. Again, my misreading.

Moving on, in any case. :)

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 22, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crazy Felix Pie woman.

I think it was Rosanna.

"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."

by birdman on Sep 22, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yanks and the draft

One needs a Ph.D to understand the complicated amateur draft-free agent-Rule 5 process. Last year, as we all know, the Yanks signed three Type A (I presume w/o checking that Burnett was a Type A). Do the Yanks lose their Number 1 draft picks for the next 3 years, or do they lose their 1-2-3 picks in a single year, or something else? And, does losing draft picks ever catch up to them? It seems not because they can trade draft choices who pan out less than 50% of the time for established players.

by BaltoBen on Sep 22, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Deep breath

The Yankees lost their first three round picks this year because of the three type A free agents they signed. However, because they failed to sign their first (and a second?) rounder last year, they still got a first and a second (IIRC) round draft pick. The real loser in that whole process was Toronto, who lost Burnett to a division rival and got a third rounder for it!

Lotta people go through life doing things badly. Racing's important to men who do it well. When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.

by Andrew_G on Sep 22, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely agree with Stacey.

I was just thinking the same thing about Jones. It scares me to think, but it is possible that this is a guy who might be on and off injured for his whole career. Pie could take his spot at any time, along with the other outfielders who may need a day off. If we are going to go with our young talent, then we need to let this guy develop a little more, and make sure that his end of the year run wasn’t just a fluke.

Aside from that, I think he’s just fun to watch.

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by Afghanistan Steve on Sep 22, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Too soon to tell with Jones

He’s been around two years. He played in 132 games last year, which is borderline acceptable. He had some weirdly bad luck this year and ended with 119 games, which is poor. It’s a good argument, but I can’t sit here and say “he’s probably injury prone” after just two years.

I guess I’m just concerned that we AREN’T seeing Pie turn the corner, but rather just go through a good couple of weeks of illusion. We have a chance to possibly sell high on him, and I think it would be a damn shame to waste it, given the other gaping, festering holes in the roster.

Lotta people go through life doing things badly. Racing's important to men who do it well. When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.

by Andrew_G on Sep 22, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with that on Pie

maybe this is just a good few weeks. Honestly I don’t know. That’s why I’m glad I’m not the GM.

As for AJ’s injuries, the good thing is most of them aren’t the kind of thing that are recurring. Last year he broke his foot on a foul ball, this year he twisted his ankle on a base, whatever. But he’s had hammy issues the past two years and while I assume that whole back spasms thing is nothing, you never know.

Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08

by Stacey on Sep 22, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ankles can be pesky, career long annoyances.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 22, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose

but he’s never had any issue before with them to my knowledge and what happened to him seemed like a pretty routine injury.

Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08

by Stacey on Sep 22, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah let's hope.

I just know that once you sprain an ankle it’s pretty succeptable to spraining it again. You can always just wear an ankle brace though if that’s the case. Shouldn’t be that big of a deal.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 22, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'd just like to revisit the manner in which jones got hurt

a completely flukey girardi stupid ass insinuating thing. that still made me pretty GD angry even though we weren’t you know, “in contention.” he throws himself all over the yard all year to try and bring back whoever’s gopher balls (and sometimes succeeds in doing so) and walks away without a scratch (most of the time). Lets just ignore the hamstrings/back and hope that this was a fluke.

"you know what the orioles could use right now? a day off." - joe angel

by swilhelmross on Sep 22, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest

I don’t think that people are breaking down the door with “sell high” offers for Pie, regardless of his recent hot streak. So if there’s not much in return I’d rather see if what we’re seeing now is the real deal.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 22, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know about that

Plenty teams could use a quality defensive center fielder who can run, has a sparkling minor league resume, and might be turning it on at the plate at the major league level in the AL East. The Royals, the Cubs, the Rays, the Rangers, the Mets, and the Padres all leap to mind as potential suitors.

Lotta people go through life doing things badly. Racing's important to men who do it well. When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.

by Andrew_G on Sep 22, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I haven't heard of any of them ponying up big prospects for him.

And I don’t think anybody will part with actual prospects for a failed prospect who’s showed one month of promise. If that happens I’ll be all for it, but I just don’t see it happening. And my point was that if it’s not happening there’s no reason to part with him for sub-par prospects.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 22, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's certainly true

No argument from me on that.

But….if the 2010 Orioles still have Scott, Pie, and Reimold playing first, DH, and left (in whatever order) I think a mistake will have been made. I just don’t know what the non-mistake solution is exactly.

Lotta people go through life doing things badly. Racing's important to men who do it well. When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.

by Andrew_G on Sep 22, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess. I don’t really care if they have those 3 players for the two spots, because unless we get a 1B somewhere (where???) Scott should be playing 1B and maybe even Nolan will get some time there. And then the three of them can rotate among DH and LF.

If you can get good value for Luke or Pie (I’d prefer they trade Luke the most), then you’re right they’d be foolish not to do it, but I don’t think they should trade somebody for an inferior package just to make the LF/DH decision easier.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 22, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

The only weird thing is that literally everyone is clamoring (or was, actually) to see Reimold get reps at first but the warehouse consistently said “No, he’s the left fielder, and a good one. We don’t see him as a first baseman.” It makes me wonder.

Lotta people go through life doing things badly. Racing's important to men who do it well. When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.

by Andrew_G on Sep 22, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Everyone"

meaning a thousand dumbasses on Roch’s blog.

"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year

by getxstoked on Sep 22, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adrian Gonzalez

You mentioned the Padres as a potential suitor for Pie, what sort of package do you think we would need to put together for Gonzalez? And do you think the FO would be willing to deal that necessary package for Gonzalez?

I imagine we’d have to give up one of our better pitching prospects, so with the stockpile of arms we have accumulated, would this be worth it?

Pie, one of our top 3 pitching prospects, and a mid-level prospect for Gonzalez? It’s painfully obvious we need a big bat to fill that 1B position, and with the apparent depth of young pitching I don’t think that would be a bad deal. Would the Padres go for this, do you think? I’ve read somewhere MacPhail has no interest in trading any of the top pitching prospects, so this may not even be worth discussing.

by VB O's Guy on Sep 22, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think thats nearly enough

I’ve said this before, but I think it would take two of Matusz/Bergesen/Arrieta/Tillman to even get Towers to the table. I dont feel like looking it up right now, but boston asked about him at the deadline and the padres’ demand was pretty outrageous and they were firm about it.

by kba26 on Sep 22, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

but boston asked about him at the deadline and the padres’ demand was pretty outrageous and they were firm about it.

Yup, see mlbtraderumors

It’ll take something like Tillman, Matusz, (or Wieters) Synder, and a marginal prospect like Kam or Britton.

"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."

by birdman on Sep 22, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Gonzo is going ANYWHERE

unless it’s a ridiculous, automatically lose type of offer. Like: Pie, Bell, Tillman, Britton, Mickolio or something like that. And the O’s really shouldn’t do it.

But that does leave the big question: who is the first baseman next year, and who is the long term first baseman in the theoretical competitive years in Baltimore?

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by Andrew_G on Sep 22, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we please stop letting Bob McCrory pitch?

I didn’t watch the end of last night’s game and only just now looked at the box score. WHY is Bob McCrory ever brought into a game? He is AWFUL. He’s never done one thing at the ML level to make me think otherwise, and he gets worse and worse every time he pitches.

JUST STOP IT.

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by Stacey on Sep 22, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

But Stacey, he throws so hard.

There is no way that major league hitters can catch up to the awesomeness that is Bob McCrory!

by sickuvitall on Sep 22, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well the TV wasn't on

Which is what I just said.

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by Stacey on Sep 22, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Try betting on it.... lol

I was furious when they wheeled McRory out there.
I think its virtually impossible to raise an ERA of 13.75 when you enter the game.
He found a way to do it.

Ok ok …. Ill stop. I love the Os like crazy and thought last night was a good spot for them with Tillman on the hill… I was dead wrong.

by Wieters Wieners on Sep 22, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that sucks

But I can’t believe you bet on them in the first place. Silly boy.

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by Stacey on Sep 22, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

I used to be a degenerate gambler. Ive been “off” for a few months and decided to dip my toe back in. I liked the way Tillman has been pitching and that guy Purcey was a total bum with no control. The lineup looked solid so I took a jump at it. Didnt know their offense would again make a hack look like a Cy Young…

by Wieters Wieners on Sep 22, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Next time you're looking to give away $500, just give it to me instead ;)

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by Eat More Esskay on Sep 22, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

you win too much on the ravens?

looking to give some back?

You don't EVEN KNOW who O's21girl is!

by Senatorrosewater on Sep 22, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol something like that

Loved the Ravens as an underdog on against San Diego last weekend. Too many points this weekend though (13).

by Wieters Wieners on Sep 22, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pie

I would gamble on the hope that Felix has truly turned the corner. If so, he will continue to improve next year and increase in value. So, don’t trade him now. The brass can determine during the 2010 season whether LF should be turned over to Nolan or to Felix. If Felix does well, the brass might even decide to trade Adam under the assumption that Felix plus the haul for Adam improves the team on balance. I am hopeful that we will be a better team next year, but we won’t be a contender. So, keep the options open and hope that Felix is a stock that is rising in value.

by BaltoBen on Sep 22, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

My humble opinion on Pie...

I dont think we would land anything big for him other than a couple prospects. And why do that when in essence he is a prospect that turned out and is really starting to look comfortable on a major league roster. I’d like to try and trade Luke and see if we can rather get the prospects for him. I just don’t like the up and down spells all year… I would prefer a consistent guy.

Also, I would trade Dave Trembley for a bag of balls…

by Wieters Wieners on Sep 22, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

trade him to the cubs for

Jake Fox plus pitching prospects.

Why not?

You don't EVEN KNOW who O's21girl is!

by Senatorrosewater on Sep 22, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has anyone heard about this Redskins player.

He tweeted something similar to: Stop booing us, your dimwitted and you work 9 to 5 at McDonald’s.

Real professional….

Ray Rice is so agile. He's a whole new breed for agile you need a new word to describe his agility... UBER-AGILITY!

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Sep 22, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

go to the espn radio homepage

it should be on there somewhere

Ray Rice is so agile. He's a whole new breed for agile you need a new word to describe his agility... UBER-AGILITY!

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Sep 22, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4493889&categoryid=2850689

Ray Rice is so agile. He's a whole new breed for agile you need a new word to describe his agility... UBER-AGILITY!

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Sep 22, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Robert Henson

He did the obligatory, insincere apology right away. I hate that we make celebrities do that in our culture now a days. Let him be an ass if he wants.

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by Afghanistan Steve on Sep 23, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

No reason

to trade Pie unless some team blows the O’s away with a trade offer. They aren’t paying him anything and worst case scenario he is an excelllent defensive replacement and baserunner.

by uneasy rider on Sep 22, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Keep Pie. OF depth is a good thing. He would only bring back a marginal prospect at this point. If Luke can’t play 1B, then I would rather trade him.

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by birdman on Sep 22, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Can someone please help me?

Yesterday when I was writing the game thread, I did something and changed the size of the screen so that it’s quite small. I think I did something with my mouse, although I did everything I can think of with the mouse and it didn’t go back. I had to close Firefox and go into IE to finish the game thread, where everything is fine.

All front pages of SB Nation are fine now (Camden Chat, Royals Review, etc.) but all secondary pages (profiles, sbnation.com, create story/fanpost) are tiny. I guess it’s a FireFox issue since it was fine in IE, but I did everything I could think of in the tools and nothing worked.

Any ideas?

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by Stacey on Sep 22, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

do you mean the window is small?

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 22, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think i know

there’s a button that says narrow and there’s a button that says wide i’m guessing you clicked narrow

Ray Rice is so agile. He's a whole new breed for agile you need a new word to describe his agility... UBER-AGILITY!

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Sep 22, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

whatever you did in SBN,

if you go to firefox and clear all your cache (Prefs>Advanced>Network>Clear Now), then quit Firefox and reopen it, that’ll probably solve it.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 22, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figured it out

Somehow I had unzoomed the page, but I got it now. I was just confused as to why it was happening in some pages and not others. But problem solved. I’m really a dummy when it comes to stuff like that.

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by Stacey on Sep 22, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

CTRL+mouse wheel?

or CTRL + +/- change font sizes.

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by CoachOfEarl on Sep 22, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes that's it!

You genius you.

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by Stacey on Sep 22, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey guys

As long as there is not a rain out in Cleveland or the Toronto games in Baltimore, the Orioles have gone the entire year without a rain-out. Anyone know the last time that happened, or if it’s common at all? I’ve been to like 3 rain delays this year, but Opening Day doesn’t really count because it was fun.

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by the fix is in on Sep 22, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

you just jinxed it...

Ray Rice is so agile. He's a whole new breed for agile you need a new word to describe his agility... UBER-AGILITY!

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Sep 22, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

but I don't even know how special of a thing I'm jinxing is!

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Sep 23, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN commerical w/ Scott Boras

Hilarious.

"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."

by birdman on Sep 22, 2009 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

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