Thursday Bird Droppings
by Camden Chat on Sep 24, 2009 7:03 AM EDT
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PrintHole deepens for Guthrie, O's - baltimoresun.com
"In another season of consistent failure, the Orioles hit a new low Wednesday night by reaching a season high with their 7-3 loss to the Toronto Blue Jays. It marked their seventh consecutive defeat, their worst skid in a 2009 season that has been futile for months." Wow, that'll cheer you up this morning, huh? -duck
Aubrey's a different option at first -- baltimoresun.com
"As the season wanes and his options shrink, Orioles manager Dave Trembley said he has to decide what type of team to put onto the field. If Trembley is looking for defense, then rookie Michael Aubrey will get the call at first base, which he has done in three consecutive games, instead of a more traditional power bat such as Luke Scott's or Ty Wigginton's." -duck
O's on Deck: O's minor leaguers in '09 -- Catchers
"Based on this season’s numbers, as well as the potential that they’ll contribute in the major leagues in the future, I’d put the catchers in the following order..." C'mon, you know you have to go read the article! -duck
Cox to retire as skipper after '10 season | MLB.com: News
"Braves manager Bobby Cox has never been one to seek great fanfare. But he's definitely going to experience it next year, as he enjoys the final season of his illustrious managerial career." He may not have won as many World Series as pundits thought he should, but for my money, he's the best manager of the last 25 years. Who's done more with less? Dude won with Sid Breem as a starter in his infield. Sid Breem. Go Google that one, folks. -duck
MASNsports.com: Due date on decision on Diamond Dave delivered
Roch says: "If you're waiting for an announcement on whether Dave Trembley returns as Orioles manager in 2010, circle the last two days of the regular season on your calendar. Or the first two after the season ends. It seems unlikely that we'll hear anything while the Orioles finish up their final road trip. "As I've always said, no departure from the schedule that was really set months ago," Andy MacPhail, president of baseball operations, said yesterday as we sat in his office on the third floor of the warehouse. "Either a couple days before or after, I'd say." Dave, I hope you've been renting. -duck
MASNsports.com: Reimold update
Roch says: "Nolan Reimold underwent successful surgery today in Baltimore to repair a frayed Achilles tendon. Doctors also shaved a bump on his heel that was rubbing on the tendon. Reimold will be examined again in 12-14 days. He'll soon return to his Pennsylvania home." That's the entire article. Click to give MASN the page hits, but that's the info. -duck
Explore Howard: The Driver's Seat / Traded by Orioles, Sherrill nearly perfect for Dodgers
"Sherrill did not allow a run in his first 14 outings with the Dodgers, then gave up a home run against Arizona on Aug. 31. He has not been scored upon in his first nine games in September. Entering Wednesday’s game, Sherrill was 0-0 with one save and an ERA of 0.40 in 24 games with the Dodgers and had allowed just 15 hits with 18 strikeouts and nine walks in 22 1/3 innings." All I'm saying is, Joshua Bell better be GOOD. -duck
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The Good News is...
When we have our CC day at OPACY, we should all be sitting right behind the plate by the second inning.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 24, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions
I think i'm more interested
in the Open Thread lead in then the actual Orioles at this point.
Dont worry open thread… Batman will save us!
I was inspired for tomorrow's. Stacey may get it, but I doubt few others will.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
I just checked it out
I think a few people will get it.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
Well, "get it" as in knowing what it's from
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
by duck on Sep 24, 2009 9:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ya that's what I meant too
Unless I’m overestimating dudes.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
Chicks ALWAYS overestimate dudes
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
by duck on Sep 24, 2009 10:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
are you actually getting rid of the open thread or did you just want a sweet movie quote?
bruce! what are you doing??? ……………what is necessary my friend!
Just sweet movie quotes, that's all
Eventually, lyrics and TV shows may work into the rotation.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
by duck on Sep 24, 2009 9:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow... tough guy lol
“I KNOW WHAT YOU KIDS ARE DOIN!!!”
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 24, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
ha ha I like the sidebar linked article
It’s from June. “”http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/pirates_want_everyone_in" target="new">Pirates want everyone in Pittsburgh to Stop Staring at Them."
Wilson said he looked forward to getting back for Tuesday’s home game against the Indians, as PNC Park is the only place where the citizens of Pittsburgh leave the team alone.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
crap
Pirates want everyone in Pittsburgh to Stop Staring at Them
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
That site is hilarious...
How have I not seen it before.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 24, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Orioles Headed For Second Straight Season Of Double Digit Wins
That may be a small consolation for Baltimore fans, but for the team, it represents a modicum of progress.
LOL
Why did it take me like a minutes into the article to realize we were being made fun of.
Bastards.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 24, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha I was gonna post that too
Though I think the Redskins article is funnier… Jim Zorn Concerned His Shitty Quarterback Is Losing Confidence
This is a classic O's brushback.com
For those who never saw it
Historic Collapse Most Exciting Thing To Happen To Orioles In 20 Years
Roch's latest blog is interesting reading
MacPhail has a well established history of straight talk. Don’t look for any free agents. It certainly seems set in cement that no FA pitcher (Lackey has always been mentioned) is coming. Trades to pick up pieces, but MacPhail has said no top prospects will be dealt. That seems to diminish the prospects for a quality bat. Roch says more later.
I don't have a problem with the no trading top prospects
But I don’t really understand the logic behind refusing to sign a top free agent like Lackey. If MacPhail thinks he’s not worth the money or would rather spend that money elsewhere, that’s fine with me. But the Orioles are going to have money to spend and I think relying solely on your farm system is very tricky.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
My guess
is that he just doesn’t see anybody in this crop that he thinks is worth the money. That’s my feeling at least. Lackey doesn’t get me all excited and he’s going to be expensive.
For me, the bigger problem with Lackey is the length of the contract he's going to get, not the value
If MacPhail could throw a ton of money, even seriously overpaying on a per year basis, at Lackey to come here for two years, i think it would a great move to stabilize the rotation while our prospects continue to develop.
However, The thought of a 35-36 year old John Lackey making almost 20 million dollars and taking a roster spot does not leave me feeling good.
Eh
He seems like an injury risk to me. He hasn’t thrown 200 innings or made 30 starts since 2007. $20 M is a lot to pay for that.
With the money coming off the books this offseason, it seems reasonable to overpay on a short term contract for a veteran that could help us. With this free agent class however, I just dont want to see anything that limits the team’s long term flexibility.
I can agree with that, but it’s hard for me to figure how adding $20 M per year for at least 2-3 years doesn’t limit our ability to then sign more meaningful free agents following the 2010 season. I also doubt he’s going to sign a 2-3 year contract with a shitty team like the O’s. So this is all probably academic.
I also doubt he’s going to sign a 2-3 year contract with a shitty team like the O’s. So this is all probably academic.
This was my initial point, i guess i didn’t make it very clear. I’m all for staying away from Lackey because its going to require terms that ultimately don’t benefit the team.
right but even if he were to sign a 2-3 year deal with the O’s wouldn’t that limit our ability to go after actually meaningful FAs in 2010?
I guess in the sense that every dollar you spend has an opportunity cost
but giving him 20 million a year for 2 years still leaves you a lot more flexibility than 16-17 mil a year for 5.
He seems like an injury risk to me.
That’s what I about to say. Petey is not going to sign off a huge deal to sign a guy who’s spent significant time on the DL the last two years.
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
It is a weak FA class
very weak.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
Especially at corner infield
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
I would throw the kitchen sink at him to get him here for
a few years.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 24, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Throwing those sinks around appears to have strained ....
… something other than your back or groin.
hakkaa päälle !
I linked to this in the thread on Fielder
Interesting reading indeed. AM: “I would say we definitely would want to address the lineup and add some bats – plural.”
Dun dun duuuunnnnn…
I basically have no issue
because the free agent class is weak and we don’t yet know which prospects will or won’t pan out.
But…
is anyone else as frustrated as I am by the fact that we’re probably heading into next year with Ty Wigginton and Michael Aubrey or Luke Scott at first and some guy like Hideki Matsui or Aubrey Huff or Eric Hinske DHing? That just seems like wheel-spinning. Not that I know what the O’s are supposed to do. But none of those guys are the big right-handed bat we need in the cleanup spot (but one of them will be!).
And long-term I still don’t know who plays first base or who brings the serious power to the lineup. We seem to have a plethora of solid young guys who can hit 20+ home runs (Markakis, Jones, Reimold, Wieters) but nobody with some serious intimidating power.
Again, I’m frustrated…but I don’t know what I would do besides exactly what Andy’s doing.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Agreed. I think the hope is that next year they kind of bumble through and then sign two sluggers after 2010 – Adam Dunn is available then no? Also I’m hoping that AJ, Matty, Nolan, and even Nicky will continue to develop in the power category. Honestly I don’t see any reason that all 4 of them can’t hit 30 HRs (Nicky is probably the most questionable unless he finally starts hitting the fucking gym). If those 4 guys can be in the 20-30 range and then they can sign 2 guys in the 35-40 range (I know they grow on trees!) it could be a pretty damn intimidatingly powerful lineup.
exactly
It’s frustrating but it’s hard to think of anything different. I like the idea of signing Dunn after 2010 to play DH, but that still gives us 2009 with some punks.
It sounds like the O’s are putting all their eggs into the Joshua Bell basket, which if it works out is great, but if not a little scary. But what else are they going to do, sign Adrian Beltre for four years?
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
Yeah, it IS scary
but I at least have more faith in Bell than I do in Brandon Snyder…but it just seems like trying to grow your entire damn team within 3 years of one another just can’t work out without a ton of luck.
Still…if Matusz and Bergesen and one other pitcher work out like they have so far, there is just no telling how far this team can go even in the AL East. Even without a real power hitter or any corner infielders.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
I am firmly in the Chone Figgins free agent club
I think a three year deal gets it done, because nobody else is going to give him that. He holds down third base for a year. In the event that Josh Bell blossoms in 2011, Figgins is still valuable as an ideal utility guy.
Can someone explain the Figgins love? This is a guy who’s alternated between good and bad seasons the last 4 years. He doesn’t have any power, a typical trait of a 3B. He plays good defense at 3rd and he has speed. But then weigh in his weak bat…. pass. He looks like a classic guy who’s having a career year who’ll regress back to 95ish OPS+ next year and forward (if not lower, this is guy who hit 82 OPS+ last year) We already have a top of the order speed. If he’s willing to take a 1 or 2 year deal, great, let’s sign him. Otherwise, pass.
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
Well
He’s good at getting on base, and getting to the next base, and the next base. He scores runs, which we can use to beat the other teams with.
He’s good at 3B. I mean properly good, not Melvin Mora good.
With our lineup, we have a rare display of power coming from our catchers spot. While the rest of the division is putting out old farts like Whore, hey! and zaun and Rod Barajas, we’ve got a big CS who can hit the ball over the fence.
Figgins doesn’t have power, but with power in the catchers spot, then we can afford to have a low SLG 3B.
It’s not a perfect situation, but who else is out there that fits?
"I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
But why settle for the best of a BAD, and I mean bad, FA crop this year?
We don’t NEED a 3B for 2010. We do need one for 2011. That gives Andy MacPhail almost 18 months to make something happen.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
I disagree.
I want to be competitive next year. No fucking way do I settle for puggsley wiggington as an everyday 3b.
2011 free agent 3b's
Garrett Atkins COL
Wilson Betemit CWS
Jorge Cantu FLA
Eric Chavez OAK *
Pedro Feliz PHI
Bill Hall SEA *
Brandon Inge DET
Maicer Izturis LAA
Mike Lowell BOS
Melvin Mora BAL
Nick Punto MIN *
Scott Rolen CIN
Ty Wigginton BAL
I sent that list
to a friend yesterday and noted that it would be weird if we signed Maicer in 2011 to play SS.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I meant to finish that...
I think the hamstrings, which have been recurring injuries for him since his time in the minors, and his lack of defense would scare me enough to not offer him a big contract.
And Rollins is going to be upwards of 33 at that time I think? I’m not advocating Maicer I would just like to see an above avg glove that ideally is under 30.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
What are Atkins
numbers? He’ll still be relatively young then right? Of course, he may not be able to splash water outside of COL.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Nah, dude
stick your patronizing “get used it” up your get used ass. I have been here watching and rooting for thirty years.
I would suggest you do the same
you started with the passive aggressive insults and then continued with your ‘relax’ insult. Then you went on with some exaggerated summation of my posts. All I have contended is that Figgins makes the team better and that the team can be competitive next year.
How is it passive agressive to point out the obvious?
And there’s a difference between that and you telling me to shove my comment up my ass. Make your argument all you want but keep it civil. That’s how this blog works.
alright enough then but just for your information
I find all of these statements to be unnecessary, patronizing and insulting:
“Get used to that fact”
“Relax – keep fooling yourself”
“Thats how this blog works”
If you think “get used to that fact” is insulting I apologize. The 2nd one was in response to you telling me to shove my comment up my ass and were very much meant to patrionizing. The third one is just factual – not sure how you could find that patrionizing or insulting.
Yeah "get used to the fact"is very insulting
I am sure I have been invested in these fucking birds longer than you have. Telling me to get used to losing at this point in response to me making a post about how to make the team more competitive next year will drive me to vulgarity.
Just because you’re older than me doesn’t mean you get to act like a prick. I wasn’t telling you to get used to losing – I was telling you that we were not going to be competitive next year. There’s a very obvious difference when a team is rebuilding.
And good christ man, get some thicker skin if you find “get used to the fact” to be insulting. I’d hate to wonder what happened when you were teased as a kid.
I think you both need to drop it.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
Or else Stacy will slap ...
… the shit out of you.
Maybe you should keep this going. I think some of us would find it highly entertaining to see Stacy take you behind the woodshed. She’d probably take you both one-handed.
hakkaa päälle !
Kepp spelling my name wrong
and we’ll see who gets slapped
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
I work for a utility company.
We are big into conservation these days.
I’m saving those vowels so that some day my grandkids can communicate.
hakkaa päälle !
Did you ever
use that “second skin” stuff that was supposed to act like an extra layer of skin over a blister? I never really thought it worked that well.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
new skin?
i’ve used new skin since my days XC and track days. works wonders that stuff. krazy glue works too
by twistedlogic on Sep 24, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe that was it...
i wasn’t a big fan. better luck with the glue.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I want a pony
Don’t think I’m gonna get that or a competitive O’s team next year.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Only if you have one already
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
I wanted a pony for last year's election...
what I got was a nag.
“stay in school”, “wash your hands”, “eat your vegetables”
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
Don't forget
“keep your tires fully inflated”
Gosh I hate it when our leaders suggest things that will make us smarter, more successful/competitive, healthier, and responsible… If only we could go back to having leaders who just spied on us, started unnecessary wars, and created budget deficits from thin air!
plus you really should wash your hands
Especially you, O’sfan21.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
let's keep it civil, boys
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
I hate anyone that ever had a pony when they were growing up
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
No. I personally
think the show was overrated. I can watch it but I never went out of my way to watch it. And I avoid Curve Your Enthusiasm. Which in retrospect I shoudl probably watch being an Os fan.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Thank God it wasn't just me
Never did understand the popularity of that show. I mean, sure it was funny at times, but I never got the cult-like following.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Me neither.
I probably laugh more times watching one episode of Family Guy than a weeks worth of Seinfeld.
hakkaa päälle !
Well, I am a former ...
… torpedoman. I guess I don’t get all that cerebral humor.
I also think the news story of the guy who killed himself playing Russian roulette with an automatic pistol is the funniest thing I’ve ever heard.
hakkaa päälle !
I’ve always been a huge seinfeld fan, but I will say that I found it dramatically more funny after living in NY for a couple years. I also think if you have some family connections to NY it’s funnier too.
I can believe that.
Of course that is one of the reason’s I never understood why so many people are like cult followers. There must be a huge sub-culture of people who wish they lived in NYC. I’m not part of that culture.
hakkaa päälle !
Well there’s also a huge number of people who trace their roots back to or still have family in NY one way or another.
I have never lived in NY
and I’ve never wanted to, and I still think Seinfeld is some of the funniest shit ever.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
But you've lived in a city
and I think that’s part of the humor, too it was a series predicated on the fact the city was one of the characters. For country boys like me, we just couldn’t relate.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
by duck on Sep 24, 2009 6:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Definitely part of it
There was a line about some crisis setting off a “chain reaction of phone calls – New York, Long Island, Florida. It’s like the Bermuda Triange, except no one disappears!”
And I just nodded in recognition.
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
Know what show I never got?
Friends.
It was as if all 6 suffered from what Borat would “the mental retardations”. I mean, I considered Joey the SMART one. To me that’s just not funny.
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
The eppy where Brad Pitt guest stars is pretty damn awesome. “Look Ross, my two greatest enemies, Rachel Green and complex carbohydrates.” And the holiday armadillo was funny shit.
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
Pretty much anything with Ross I thought was funny
When he goes on the date in his leather pants and he has to take them off beccause he’s so hot and then his legs swell and he tries to put lotion and powder on them but they form a paste? Anyone who watches that and doesn’t laugh is dead inside.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
I couldn't STAND Ross
If he left the show, I’d have been a fan for life. Something about David Schwimmer just makes me reach for the remote, no matter what he’s in.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
OH NO!!
duck, dude. I LOVE Ross. If Ross was a real person I’d marry him.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
That's a truly disturbing statement
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
WE WERE ON A BREAK!
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
Of course you did.
Who leaves a country packed full of ponies to come to a non-pony country?
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
All great reasons, here are some more
First off it’s specious to call this year a ‘career year’ when he had pretty much the same type of year in 2007. His walks and OBP have been trending upward throughout his career.
He plays many positions well which is valuable down the road.
B-Rob becomes a run producer in the 2-hole.
First off it’s specious to call this year a ‘career year’ when he had pretty much the same type of year in 2007. His walks and OBP have been trending upward throughout his career.
Ok, I’ll just say his 2009 and 2007 seasons look abnormally high given his overall career. There’s no way in hell he’ll hit 115ish OPS+ next year or after wards.
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
He’s good at getting on base, and getting to the next base, and the next base. He scores runs, which we can use to beat the other teams with.
Ah yes, I’ll give you that. He on-base skills are good. But still, I see that 82 and 85 OPS+ in 2008 and 2006 and I shudder even with the good on-base skills. Like I said before, he looks more like 95ish OPS+ guy which really isn’t acceptable for 3B.
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
SLG is the only game he doesn't have
and it factors more heavily than OBP in OPS+. Hell, BRob outslugs him, which is why I’d bat him 2nd with Figgy leadoff.
He’s better than Piggly Wiggly at baseball, he of the 84 OPS+
"I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
I’ll take Figgins over Shrek any day of the week. I doubt the O’s would Roberts off the lead off spot but I would be fine with it. I’m just saying Figgins will be expensive as hell and he’s not worth the money. I think he’s looking for Juan Pierre money which is way too much for me.
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
2010 payroll is like $45M right now
That’s why Andy has the ability to buy “bats”.
PIerre is on a 5/44 contract right now…that’s really too much?
"I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
PIerre is on a 5/44 contract right now…that’s really too much?
Yeah, it is too much. He’s worth that type of money now and the recent past. But going forward? Look, Chone Figgins is a good player. Don’t get me wrong. I like him. But he’s going to be 32 next season. Speed/middle INF type (I know he’s a 3B but his skills set profiles as a middle INF) tend to start declining soon after this age. 5 years is way too much. I would love to have him at 2 years, $20-$24M. Nothing more though.
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
Point
And I’m not suggesting 5 years either. But won’t come to the O’s, or any non-contender, for 2/24. 2/28 or 3/36-40 would be my first guess as a reasonable non-long term contract for a basement dweller.
I would sign him for 5/44 though, since it’s cheap enough that it’s a very moveable contract, should a worthy prospect emerge.
I’d bet he stays with the LAAOACASDFQWERTY or goes to another contending team though.
"I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
I would sign him for 5/44 though, since it’s cheap enough that it’s a very moveable contract, should a worthy prospect emerge.
I don’t know, the Dodgers have had a hard time moving Juan Pierre, which is what I see Chone Figgins turning into within the next 2-3 years especially once his batting average starts to dip.
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
I don't see him commanding more than 10
3/27 or 4/35
but i guess we will just have to see. I don’t know who would be interested. probably the white sox. I would imagine the angels would let him go if the tag got up to 10 million.
I don't know what OPS+ means
“He looks like a classic guy who’s having a career year who’ll regress back to 95ish OPS+ next year and forward (if not lower, this is guy who hit 82 OPS+”
I don’t know how to evaluate those numbers. But Figgins being a leadoff hitter and a base stealer, I would naturally put less value on his OPS and more on his straight up On Base Percentage.
OPS+
100 is league average. Above that is good. Below that is bad. 82 is horrendous.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
More specifically
It’s OPS that has been leveraged against the league and adjusted for ballpark factors.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
And 82 is still horrendous
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Ehh
He was more valuable (6.2 WAR) than Dookilis (4.9 WAR) this year, OPS+ 110 vs 140. And last year, his 82 OPS+ was still worth 2.5 WAR. Thanks to defense. I’m not sure if baserunning is taken into account in either stat.
"I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
But Figgins being a leadoff hitter and a base stealer, I would naturally put less value on his OPS and more on his straight up On Base Percentage.
We already have a lead off hitter who’s getting paid a lot of money. Where would Figgins hit in our line up? He’s not push Roberts and Jones at the top of the order. He’s not a middle of the order guy. That puts him at the bottom of the order (most likely the 8th spot in front of Izzy). Do we really want to shell out tons of money for 8 hole hitter? Like I said, I like him on a 1 or 2 years deal. But that’s it.
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
Figgins is the leadoff hitter here
Roberts has some power with his double machinery, so you bump him and everyone else down.
I’m not sure how long of a deal I’d give him. If Bell or Waring winds up being a MLB masher, then you have to either consider Chone as SS or move one of the kids to 1B.
"I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
You make it sound as crazy as giving Adam Dunn a fielder's glove
Now there’s a bat.
"I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
Younger than I thought.
He must have broken in fairly young.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
is anyone else as frustrated as I am by the fact that we’re probably heading into next year with Ty Wigginton and Michael Aubrey or Luke Scott
I think Ty will be playing 3rd next year despite his godawful UZR stats there. Luke should be fine at 1B. He’s in a horrible slump now but the dude is streaky as hell. Look at his overall numbers the last 3 years. They’re pretty consistent. If he puts up his typical 115 OPS+, that’s acceptable from 1B.
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
Wasn't it you who said UZR was pretty meaningless even over the course of a full season?
And he hasn’t played very much over there this year.
You have to combine his stats over several seasons. Once you do that, you have about 3 seasons worth of data. Last time I checked, his UZR at 3rd was terrible.
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
yeah, about. didn't do precise calculations or anything.
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
Is anyone else having trouble with gmail today?
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
Yup, having same problem.
But I’m getting my mail which is all I care about.
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
Yeah, contacts aren't working
but also it’s just been hanging up a lot. I don’t normally have a problem.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
No fanpost this time
Because I don’t know what is and what isn’t acceptable, so, does anyone know what the deal is with Miguel Sano? I can’t find a thing on him since July 25th…are teams still trying to sign him? Including the O’s?
The MLB investigation into his age was inconclusive. The O’s are now a little leery about signing him now and his price tag hasn’t come down.
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
There was a link in yesterday's Bird Droppings
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
I wrote you all a song today...
Mm, mmm, mm!
BPinOK
He said that all must lend a hand
To make this country strong again
Mmm, mmm, mm!
BPinOK
He said we must be fair today
Equal work means equal pay
Mmm, mmm, mm!
BPinOK
He said that we must take a stand
To make sure everyone gets a chance
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BPinOK
He said red, yellow, black or white
All are equal in his sight
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Please learn tonight and be prepared to recite every morning. Or die.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Did anyone see Glee on FOX last night?
Ray Rice is so agile. He's a whole new breed for agile you need a new word to describe his agility... UBER-AGILITY!
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Sep 24, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
school must be out.
did you have to learn a variation of my new song BSF?
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
i need to know the tune!
Ray Rice is so agile. He's a whole new breed for agile you need a new word to describe his agility... UBER-AGILITY!
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Sep 24, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps the names were changed to protect the guilty.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I watched the season premiere
and have been recording but haven’t caught up. I have a ton of TV to watch now that that new shows have begun. I need a snow day! Too bad it’s September.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
my solution...
move to buffalo
Ray Rice is so agile. He's a whole new breed for agile you need a new word to describe his agility... UBER-AGILITY!
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Sep 24, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No
You can’t move somewhere that it snows a lot, because they just deal with the snow and move on. No snow days. That’s why I like Maryland. Sure it doesn’t snow all that much but when it does people freak the hell out. Northern Virginia is even worse. My friend used to teach in Prince William County and they’d get an entire week off of school for like two inches.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
::moves to northern virginia::
Ray Rice is so agile. He's a whole new breed for agile you need a new word to describe his agility... UBER-AGILITY!
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Sep 24, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m NOVA born and raised. In high school we once had off from school because of rain. It was awesome.
Same in MoCo
We got days off for rain, icy rain/sleet, and light dustings of snow.
I was VERY indignant when Obama made fun of his daughters’ school for cancelling because of a bit of icy snow — it’s dangerous to drive in that, dude! And everyone here freaks the hell out when we get any kind of precipitation!
People in lots of places deal with snow all winter
I’ll give you that it’s more dangerous driving in snow south of the M-D line, where you don’t get enough for people to get any good at driving in it.
"I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
same
we got of for hurricane floyd and all we got was a little rain. we got off again for another hurricane and it never rained. fantastic i say
by twistedlogic on Sep 24, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
golly
i meant we got OFF for hurricane floyd
by twistedlogic on Sep 24, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true
Up in Rochester, I had some dolt professors who wouldn’t accept “it blizzarded last night and my car was buried” as an excuse for being late to class. We were supposed to know better than to ….leave our cars on the street(?).
School was annoying in many ways in the Not Great White North.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Uh, no. No, I did not.
Chuck Liddell’s on DWTS and even that isn’t enough to make me watch that. Why would I watch Glee? I want to see teenagers, I’ll just get up and go to work.
Now get back to getting off my lawn. Meh.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
You would watch it because it's awesome
duh
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
I'd rather watch guys hitting other guys for money
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
by duck on Sep 24, 2009 6:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought Pusada had a foot injury
"I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
Good, not great
I like it because, in the fine tradition of Lord of the Flies, Bevis & Butthead and South Park, it portrays the savages as they really are.
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
Actually
You know, I could definitely live with adding Nick Johnson as a DH. I’d bet he could at least stay somewhat more healthy in that role and still put up his ridiculous OBP numbers.
Third base…yeah I don’t see anything happening there except Wiggy One More Time.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Shit if he's cheap I'd rather have him at 1b and Luke dh-ing.
Isn’t he a good 1b? or am I imagining that?
He's a good 1B
Just appears to made of glass.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
but don't know if there's any reason to think he's less likely to get hurt DH-ing
he did hurt his heel stepping on home plate (???) afterall right?
So I'm bored and interested
so let’s have a look at Nick Johnson’s injury history.
Firstly, he does have over 500 plate appearances three times in the past four years seasons (and over 130 games played), so it might not be as bad as I initially thought. These were all playing first base for the Ex’Pos and Marlins. So, without further ado:
2003: broke his hand
2004: back injury, broke his cheekbone fielding a ball at first
2005: injury free
2006: horrifically broke his leg attempting to catch a pop-up at the end of the season
2007: leg still broken (scar tissue issues)
2008: tore a ligament in his wrist
2009: hamstring injury, but mostly injury free – and seems to be over the leg injury
I don’t think I missed anything. I would think you’d expect him to have two DL trips for something like the hammy or possibly have another freak thing like the ulnar ligament problem he had in ’08…but if he had been a straight DH he would not have broken his leg, which was clearly the worst injury of his career.
Oh, and he’s hitting .291/.421/.407 this year (120 OPS+) but with only 8 home runs…he seems like a decent enough candidate to pursue.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Collided with Austin Kearns
I’m not sure, but I think I got it all.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Sounds injury prone to me
But in a kinda hardcore awesome way.
"I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
Open thread... I wish I knew how to quit you.
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
me too
Ive read every comment today. Just to lazy to reply to anything…. lol
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 24, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So you're addicted to Bird Droppings then?
"I feel like I learned more in eight major league starts than I did in three years of college," -- Brian Matusz
The free agent wish list
Lets hash out an ordered list:
This is mine with what i think they will demand:
1. Figgins 8 million/3years
2. Left Handed Reliever – (i suppose this could be more specific) 3 million/3years
3. Fernando Rodney -(but only because he seems like the best closer available)10 million/3 years
4. Lackey 15million/5 years
5. Nick Johnson 5million/2 yers
6. Vlad Guerrero (sure he’s on the big decline, but he is so likable) 10 million/2 years
Vlad turned us down once
Why would we want him now that he’s old and decrepit?
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
I still can’t believe Vlad hit a single off of David Hernandez after the ball bounced in front of the plate. But yeah, pass on Vladdy. He loves the Angels and will most likely take a discount to stay there.
"Well, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
Cricket players do it every day
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
he was just a tack on
I have always liked him and would be happy to have the opportunity to cheer for him
probably didn't need four question marks
i was just guessing at his value. He is like 34/35 in save opportunities. I also think the O’s need a closer.
No, that was worthy of four question marks.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Because that first year at $10 million
will be wasted money
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
This is true
I just threw him out there after searching best available closers in 2010. I wouldn’t pay him that much, I just guessed at what he would be asking. The fact remains there is no closer on the horizon for 2011.
I don't see a single name on that list I'd be interested in.
If you are going to sign a FA, he better make a huge difference. None of those guys do.
I’ve stuck with the O’s this long. I can remain patient if they have finally gotten it and are building a team the right way.
hakkaa päälle !
Well said
I fully agree about the impact factor. Signing FA’s just to appear active in the market isn’t going to solve anything. I would rather run the underpaid youngsters out there next year and allow them to sink or swim…
No one is changing course from the 'right' way
2009 free agent signings:
Wiggy – 3 million 2yrs
Koji – 5 million 2 yrs
izturis – 2.5 million 2 yrs
hendo – 1.5 million 1 yr
zaun – 1.5 million 1 yr
2007 free agent sigings:
baez – 6 million 3 yrs
walker – 4 million 3yrs
huff – 6.5 million 3 yrs
jay gibbons – i am not even going to write it
The O’s have roughly 28 million dollars coming off the payroll next year. Personally I would spend some money to make the team better.
Again the question is, "Who?"
Who out there is going to make this team better? No one I see in the upcoming FA market.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Not sure why you are including 2007.
Wasn’t that pre-McPhail?
As for the 2009 signings, the 3 guys in the middle are not that bad of a deal. Izturis was an excellent pickup and well worth the money he’s getting. Koji pitched well, but he’s probably being pushed past his limit by making him a starter. Even Henderson has done a decent job of earning his pay check. I certainly didn’t like signing him as a starter, but he’s done solid work out of the pen.
It isn’t that I think a team should never sign a FA. But if you are going after the class A (or is it type A?) guys, the ones that cost big money, then you better be a very smart shopper. The guys you listed look like something a teenager with Daddy’s credit card might go out and buy.
hakkaa päälle !
I don't think 6-10 million
is really big money. Most of the players in that range are pretty middling
I would pull the trigger on Figgens, Unnamed left handed reliever and Lackey
and still that would not add to the current payroll which is one of the lowest in the league. I agree Rodney is going to be overpriced but Closer position is a glaring hole that needs to be fixed by 2011.
Which provides
Figgins
Roberts
Markakis
Weiters
Jones
Reimold
Scott
Izturis
Pie
Lackey
Guthrie
Bergensen
Matusz
Tillman
Yes. I think that is a competitive line-up.
That lineup is not good enough to compete in the AL East
Sure, we’d win the AL Central, NL Central and NL West with it, but we’re not in those divisions.
That lineup finishes 15 games behind the MFY and PHN, as opposed to 30.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
i disagree
but you are right maybe i forgot what division we are in. I will have to go back and check my notes.
All I'm saying is, that lineup doesn't get it done in the AL East
Wee need FOUR more bats between now and 2011 to get it done. Roberts, Jones, Markakis, Reimold and Wieters we keep. We still need the other 4 bats. If you have Pie and Scott and Reimold in the lineup, are you projecting Reimold as the DH or the 1B? A lineup that starts Pie, Scott, Izturis and even Figgins is not going to win the AL East. Not even close, no matter how good our pitching is.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Ideally I would hope that Reimold played a better 1b than Luke but who knows
Bartlett
Crawford
Longoria
Pena
Upton
Iwamura
Gross
Floyd
Navarro
There are your 2008 champions with 3-4 bats on the weak side
Check their OBP and OPS+ numbers
and I think you’ll find they weren’t too weak. Navarro had a career year, iirc. They only had 2 bats below 90 in OPS+ and 6 of the 9 had a OPS of .750 or better. Not exactly the ‘27 Yankees, but pretty good. And yes, I’d credit a great deal of their success to their starters and bullpen.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
I am certainly not denying the fact that we would need a couple of career years
for 2010 to be competitive
None of their starters got hurt
Among the 5 of them they missed may be 2-3 starts all season. That goes a long way.
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
figgins wouldnt be bad tho
sure hes nothing overly spectacular, but he’d make us that much better in a hurry (considering the current solution is melvin)
by twistedlogic on Sep 24, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps, but it doesn't put us in hole financially
and it provides a solid year of success to build on for 2012.
So now it's 2012 before we're competitive?
That’s depressing. We gotta make the move toward greatness in 2011. If it’s 2012 before we even get good, Roberts will be in his mid-30s, Scott will be in his mid-30s. We need to replace Scott anyway, but I’m not sure I can handle 2 more years like this. One, sure. But two more? Yuck.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
yeah well i think i forgot what year it was, i meant 2011
still I don’t know where the big bats come from for 2011.
Hopefully, two of them are named Waring and Bell (maybe Snyder, too)
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
I cant see Bell playing 3rd (defensive-wise)
Hes way overweight and makes more errors than Helen Kellar would at short.
by Wieters Wieners on Sep 25, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
He was voted the best defensive 3B in the league
by the managers of whatever league the Dodgers AA team is in. I’ve gotten all sorts of mixed reports about his defense, actually. I’m not sure what to think. He made 7 errors at Bowie but that’s a very small sample size. He was better with his other team.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
And from what I've read, has the weight issues corrected.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
Really exited about what Wieters is showing right now at the plate
He has just been on a tear lately. Just got me excited.
For all the Orioles' prospect information and scouting, check out
www.oriolesprospects.com
dude I'm scrambling to pick up anybody right now
In my two week championship matchup and dude has a MUCH better team than I do. Jackass picked 3/4s of the yankee lineup and they all just happen to be having career years.
haha yea im just trying to get back to the middle of the league (rotisserie)
so i’m picking up whoever i can. doesnt help that guys like jenks, reimold, nyjer morgan, and adam jones got hurt and others like soto, huff, derosa etc have just sucked
by twistedlogic on Sep 24, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
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