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OT: Oregon player suspended -- correctly

By which I mean both (a) it was correct to suspend him and (b) OU suspended him in an appropriate way.

If there is something encouraging in this sorry incident, it is that the school condemned and distanced itself from the behavior -- and did so immediately, without some sort of dragged-out on-campus "hearing" or other quasi-juridical procedure involving lawyers and a commission of some sort, which would have made matters worse in several ways -- and yet made a point of *not* turning its back on the player, as a student or as a team member: Blount made a bad mistake and has to pay dearly for it; but he keeps his scholarship and can practice with the team (though why he'd want to I don't know), although he cannot represent the school in athletic competition again.

Yesterday's thread gave considerable air to two issues: what words were used by Hout in his taunting and the ethics of sucker-punching (face it, the phrase itself sounds like an oxymoron). Both of these are substantive questions, the first because we do make distinctions today -- including on this blog -- among different kinds of negative speech, and the second because, well, it's a practice that seems removed by several magnitudes, because of the premediation involved, from the Unsportsmanlike Conduct behavior that occasionally occurs in the heat of a game (OK, I was called once, and correctly; and I made a point of shaking hands with the guy after the game). In short, the other positive dimension of this thing is that its resolution *hasn't* focused on either the nature of the words or the sucker-punching aspect, and praise be for that.

I don't think the president should have these two guys over for a beer, but it wouldn't be a bad idea if the two schools quietly encouraged some sort of public reconciliation, I think.


Oregon suspends RB LeGarrette Blount for season

By ANNE M. PETERSON AP Sports Writer

EUGENE, Ore.(AP)—A day after Oregon’s college football season opened, it ended for running back LeGarrette Blount.

Blount was suspended for all remaining games on Friday for punching Boise State defensive end Byron Hout in the jaw following the 16th-ranked Ducks’ 19-8 loss to the 14th-ranked Broncos the night before.

Because he is a senior, Blount’s playing days in Eugene are over.

Oregon’s first-year coach, Chip Kelly, told a sobbing Blount about his decision after reviewing tape of the altercation.

<!-- article-left_skinny --> Celebrating the victory on the Broncos’ trademark blue turf, Hout yelled in Blount’s face and tapped him on the shoulder pad. Before Boise State coach Chris Petersen could pull Hout away, Blount landed a right to Hout’s jaw, knocking him to his knees.

Blount also had to be restrained by police from fans heckling him on the way to the locker room.

Later he apologized saying, “It was just something that I shouldn’t have done. I lost my head.”

Still, Kelly was taken aback when he saw the punch on tape.

“That’s not what we’re all about. That’s not what we coach. That’s not what we stand for and it’s unacceptable,” he said.

Blount’s suspension includes bowl games. He will remain on scholarship, however, and will continue to practice with the team.

“He is taking this very hard,” Kelly said, choking up. “He understands he made a mistake and he has to pay for the mistake. But we’re not going to throw LeGarrette Blount out on the street.”

Kelly said he hoped Blount’s ultimate legacy “won’t be a YouTube clip of what happened to him on September 3rd in Boise, Idaho.”

Hout won’t be suspended for taunting Blount. Boise State spokesman Max Corbet told The Associated Press in an e-mail that Petersen planned to spend time with Hout this week to help him learn from what happened.

Mike Bellotti, who stepped aside as head coach to become Oregon’s athletic director this summer, said the Pac-10 was consulted about the punishment and supported Oregon’s decision.

Bellotti was with Kelly when the Blount was told of the suspension and described the running back’s reaction as dismay.

“It was a very difficult decision and one I don’t think he was expecting, but he was aware there was a certain amount of gravity to the situation,” Bellotti said.

Oregon president Richard Lariviere called Blount’s behavior “reprehensible.”

“We do not and will not tolerate the actions that were taken by our player. Oregon’s loyal fans expect and deserve better,” Lariviere said in a statement.

Blount, a 6-foot-2, 240-pound transfer from East Mississippi CC, rushed for 1,002 yards and a school-record 17 touchdowns last season.

On Thursday night, he had eight carries for a loss of five yards.

In February, Blount was suspended indefinitely from the team for “failure to fulfill team obligations.” Bellotti did not share details, but Blount reportedly missed offseason team meetings.

He was reinstated before spring practice.

Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott was at the game and saw the punch.

“We commend the University of Oregon and its leadership for taking swift and decisive action in response to this incident,” Scott said in a statement. “The Pac-10 strongly emphasizes sportsmanship and fair play in all its athletic competitions and expects high standards of sportsmanship from all participants, including student-athletes. In this case, those standards were not met and the university has taken appropriate disciplinary actions.”

The NCAA also weighed in.

“Under no circumstance is fighting acceptable. … Sportsmanship is everyone’s responsibility, including student-athletes, coaches, officials, institutions and fans,” NCAA spokesman Erik Christianson said in a statement.


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I said it in the open thread and I'm going to say it again

What did the BSU player say?

"All major leaguers can see the ball and hit it. But what separates the great ones is that they can see the ball and hit it were they want to hit it."

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Sep 5, 2009 9:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to guess it was something like

“a$$ whooping! HaHa!”…
whatever it was, he felt it.

by Tetris on Sep 5, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's what I've read/heard in the past few days from a few places...

that this had quite the backstory. Apparently, Blount, who threw the punch, had felt leading up to the game that OU had been embarrassed by Boise St. last year, and had said they "We owe them a ass whoopin’."

After the game, Hout took off his helmet, shoved Blount on the shoulder to get his attention, and said , "Make that two ass whoopin’s," laughed, and turned away. That’s when Blount decked him with a punch to the jaw and went batshit crazy.

Blount has a history of behavioral problems at OU, and had been warned by the new coaching staff that his next infraction might be his last.

Personally, if Blount didn’t have a history, I think 4 games would have sufficed. I think it’s terrible by Boise St. not to suspend Hout for a game, having committed the three sins of taking off his helmet on the field of play (game over nor not, you don’t do that), and taunting an opponent physically and verbally.

But given the conditions the OU staff had already placed on Blount, they didn’t really have a choice. Boise State did, and took the Florida State approach – do nothing that damages your chances to win.

Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "

by duck on Sep 5, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree, maybe.

I don’t think that the score of the game is important, beyond the fact that it tells a little about Blunt’s state of mind. Obviously, right after you’ve lost a big game, you feel like shit.

What’s surprising to me is how little attention is paid to the provocation. Blunt is dejectedly walking off the field, when out of nowhere, Hout runs up to him, slaps him on the pads and says some shit while cackling his head off. It was an unmistakable attempt to get into Blount’s face and taunt him.

Had this happened during the game (as it does ALL the time in the pros), Blount would have gotten a 15-yard penalty, and the announcers would be saying, as they always do, that it’s always the second guy that gets the penalty, not the instigator, because the second guy is the guy that officials see.

But somehow, after the game is over, everything changes? Ok, I get that this is a little different, in that Hout isn’t wearing a helmet. For that reason, I think a suspension is entirely appropriate. And I am disturbed by Blount’s inability to cool down after the incident, having to be practically carried off the field. But the entire season? That seems a little extreme to me. Suspend him for the season but give him a right to appeal after half the games or something, and see if he takes the time in the interim to apologize, do some community service, etc etc. Don’t guarantee a reinstatement, but make it a possibility, pending corrective behavior. These are boys/young men we are talking about, and this is the very definition of a teaching moment.

Also, precious little ink is being spilled about how the entire was majorly instigated by Hout. I don’t see why he isn’t also suspended for some length of time.

Lastly, let’s throw out the term “sucker punch”. It was nothing of the sort. The tape clearly shows that Hout is facing Blount when Blount reacts: its just that in the very instant that Blount reacts, Hout starts to turn away, so by the time the punch lands, Hout is in profile to Blount (and not with his back turned as some suggested).

Then you call 'em in and say, 'It's the consensus among us that we're going to let you go back home.' Some of them cry, some get mad, but none of them will leave until you answer them one question, 'Skipper, what do you think?' And you gotta look every one of those kids in the eye and kick their dreams in the ass and say no. If you say it mean enough, maybe they do themselves a favor and don't waste years learning what you can see in a day. —Earl Weaver

by zknower on Sep 5, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

couldn't agree with you more

The instigator is completely let off the hook so it seems , and i’m sure he’s got a huge shit eating grin on his face right now. If BSU had any class they’d suspend him for as well, but that seems unlikely.

Not trying to make excuses for Blunt at all, but for me Hout is just as guilty as Blunt and if this had happened in a school yard nobody would have blinked an eye, but instead it happened on national TV. You’re gonna say something in a dude’s face like that after you win to show him up and expect not to get decked? Sorry, not where LaGarrete Blunt comes from. And now they’re saying Blunt has probably cost himself an NFL career, that seems incredibly harsh for a rush of blood to the head. I wonder if Hout feels any sort of remorse, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say no.

"you know what the orioles could use right now? a day off." - joe angel

by swilhelmross on Sep 5, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i doubt it has cost him an nfl career

maybe he isn’t drafted where he expected to be. but if the eagles are going to pick up michael vick after he has been killing dogs, i don’t think all 32 teams will pass on blount (not blunt, btw, blount) for throwing a punch.

Then you call 'em in and say, 'It's the consensus among us that we're going to let you go back home.' Some of them cry, some get mad, but none of them will leave until you answer them one question, 'Skipper, what do you think?' And you gotta look every one of those kids in the eye and kick their dreams in the ass and say no. If you say it mean enough, maybe they do themselves a favor and don't waste years learning what you can see in a day. —Earl Weaver

by zknower on Sep 5, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

stole my sucker punch thunder

z said it but I have to weigh in as well. That was no sucker punch. sucker punches are sneaky, undeserved and usually in the back or on the blind side.

That punch was solidly delivered with merit. With a little tongue in cheek, I would argue that there is not enough punching in this world. Folks can’t be running around doing inappropriate shit without fear of repercussion. That guy got his card pulled and he deserved it. He probably learned to be a little more careful in the future too.

by b_duardo on Sep 5, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

But this is a crazy ridiculous argument that there isn’t enough punching in the world. In the real world when you punch somebody in the face, REGARDLESS of what they say, you go to jail. If you can’t handle a little taunting (and I don’t know what you guys are talking about – it didn’t seem like anything out of the ordinary for college football), then you should find a different activity. Like it or not, taunting before, during, and after games, is now part of football. It happens in high school, college, and the NFL. That’s the way it is. You can’t go punching guys in the face when they say something you don’t want to hear. He was totally and completely out of control – this was not some controlled and appropriate reaction like you guys seem to imply. He had to be restrained from attacking his own teammates and then fans afterwards. Guy is a nutjob.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 6, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PUNCHING IN THE WORLD

I’LL PUNCH YOU TO PROVE IT!!

Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08

by Stacey on Sep 6, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

John Gibbons, is that you?

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Sep 7, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

what ridiculous argument
Like it or not, taunting before, during, and after games, is now part of football. It happens in high school, college, and the NFL. That’s the way it is.

Well it didn’t used to be that way. I guess you’ve just accepted it.

You can’t go punching guys in the face when they say something you don’t want to hear.

I dunno, if taunting has grown to be accepted, there’s no reason punching guys in the face won’t follow soon. To use your own words, “that’s the way it is.” Perhaps it will now be common after all “high school, college, and … NFL gamers” to punch guys.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there’s a very very clear difference between taunting (which quite honestly how does it hurt anybody???) and punching somebody in the face (which can result in serious injury). I would have thought that was fairly obvious. You don’t get arrested for taunting in the real world, but you certainly do for punching folks in the face.

And yes since it happens in every football game I’ve watched for the last 10 years, yes I have indeed accepted it. Don’t necessarily like it, but that’s the way it is. Regardless of whether it used to be that way or not.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 8, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

which quite honestly how does it hurt anybody??

it really depends on the taunt

" you guys suck" doesn’t hurt anybody. “i took a shit on your father’s grave after i fucked your sister” could be quite hurtful, depending on who is on the receiving end of the taunt. you can’t really make some taunts permissible and others not, because there’s no way to adjudicate. they’re all poor sportsmanship. and “how does it hurt anybody” isn’t the standard by which society judges these things.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And again

Do you get arrested for taunting? No.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 8, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you don't get arrested for breaking legs or causing concussions, either

doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be prevented at all costs. even thought they are “part of the game”, by your definition.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Did he hit him during a play in the game? Punching in the face = very much not part of the game. Never said or even implied that it was. Which again is why he got suspended for the season.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 8, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we were discussing taunting

you were saying taunting is part of the game. i’m saying it’s not. just the fact that it “happens”, like pass interference, doesn’t mean it should be accepted or even tolerated.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

I don’t really know what to say to that or what point of mine you’re trying to argue with. As I said earlier, taunting is part of the game of football (whether it earns you a penalty or not), while punching people in the face is very much not.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 8, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's perfectly clear

you’re saying taunting is part of the game. i’m saying it’s not. you’re saying it happens at every level. i’m saying it doesn’t. it’s not really an argument that either one of us can win, since it’s based entirely on subjective observation.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you honestly telling me you don’t see it at every level??? I REALLY have a hard time believing that. Why would they have a penalty specifically for it if it didn’t happen regularly?

by O'sFan21 on Sep 8, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't.

i guess to be clear: of course it happens at every level. but saying “it’s a part of the game” implies that it happens all the time at every level. and i have seen plenty of games—plenty of games, i repeat—in which, as far as i can tell, taunting really wasn’t happening.

and to be even clearer: i m drawing a distinction between taunting and “a li’l trash talk” in the trenches.

to me taunting is going out of your way, after a play is over, to go up to someone, get in their personal space and rag on them in some way. it’s creating a situation where there was no natural situation there. it’s a very personal one-on-one kind of malice, and far removed from natural healthy competition. it has a different intent.

so maybe, part of our disconnect is that we have different definitions of taunting?

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don’t know – I think I see something pretty much exactly along the lines of what Hout did (except maybe with not taking your helmet off) did in most football game I ever watched. I also know that much worse things happen throughout games at the high school and college levels (people clawing faces, hitting in the groin, etc under piles while talking shit). I just really didn’t view it as that big of a deal. If he hadn’t been punched nobody would have known about it. It just seems pretty common to me.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 8, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i took a shit on your father’s grave after i fucked your sister"

still doesn’t justify assault.

BTW – it was a runny shit and your sister wasn’t all that good of a fuck.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Sep 9, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i have never, ever, in this entire discussion

argued that the assault was justified.

not even implied it.

not once.

somehow, my arguments that it wasn’t a sucker punch and that the punishment may not have fit the crime continue to be construed as me somehow justifying the assault. it’s really quite tiresome.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 9, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sort of skipped over much of the discussion about

whether the punch could be called sucker or not.

I was referring to the apparent point I thought you were making above about the lack of attention to the provocation, i.e. Hout actions. I would say that the reason it has received so much less attention is that it is not deserving of any more than its gotten.

Blount assaulting another player is a serious matter, one that he is fortunate not to be facing charges on. Hout’s being a smart ass by throwing Blount’s pre-game comments back in his face is at worst juvenile behavior. Even had he said something much worst – like the comment above – it still would not arise anywhere near the level of seriousness as Blount’s action did.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Sep 9, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont know

i’d prolly punch you if you said that to me (and it was true)

by twistedlogic on Sep 12, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just to dismantle this once and for all

i’ll post the pics and say what i see and let others decide based on, you know, actual footage, instead of relying on the opinions of “6 other people”


Hout clearly facing Blount


As Hout is is just starting to turn away, and Blount’s arm is already in motion, the blur of his white glove blocking the number on his chest in the first frame.


by the time Blount connects, Hout is not even in full profile, let alone “turned away and not seeing it coming”.

The total time for this punch is less than half a second. There is simply no way, in real time, to say that “Blount waited for Hout to turn away”.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He waits until Hout is looking in another direction and then punches him.

That he didn’t wait. There’s no time there for him to wait. He’s punching as Hout turns. The turn and the beginning of the punch are instantaneous.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think in real time it was quite obvious that Hout was NOT trying to fight him and was in the process of turning away. And he did not land a glancing blow on his ear or something as if he was aiming for his face when he was facing him and then just continued as he was turning away. No, he landed it perfectly right on his jaw where he aimed as he saw him facing the other way. Not sure how much more clear it could be. I’m really not.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 8, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we just see it differently

a fight always starts with someone throwing the first punch. my point is, blount starts to throw the punch as hout is facing him. basically, the hout face turn and the beginning of the punch are simultaneous, so that by the time the punch lands, hout is turned partially away. but blount’s impulse to punch doesn’t happen aftre hout turns, it happens when hout is facing him. if you look at it in real time, or on freeze-frame, there’s no way you can say blount waited for hout to turn. the arm is already moving as the turn is beginning. the mind-body connection just isn’t that fast.

and hout taunting him is an invitation to fight, as far as i’m concerned. you don’t taunt someone if you’re not looking for a fight.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

definitely

we absolutely do see it differently. I see a blatant out of control sucker punch from somebody who evidently couldn’t handle a little trash talking. If you think punching somebody in the face is an appropriate response to trash talking I really don’t know what to say. Especially knowing what he said. The only way I could sort of understand it if a racial epithet was involved, but it wasn’t. So it was totally inappropriate and in my eyes (and obviously most of the world’s eyes since it’s referred to as a sucker punch in just about every article and tv coverage of it that I’ve seen) a sucker punch.

Agree to disagree I guess…

by O'sFan21 on Sep 8, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you think punching somebody in the face is an appropriate response to trash talking I really don’t know what to say

again, another strawman. thanks for once again, stating a conclusion that i never suggested and then striking it down, thus making you feel like you’ve made a point, which you haven’t.

i never say punching somebody is an appropriate response to trash talking. where do i say that? why do you suggest that i say that?

and then you bring in “most of the world” as your witness. as though i can’t go search Google for “blount hout punch -sucker” and get 10 pages’ worth of hits. Meaning there are literally dozens of articles which don’t refer to it as a “sucker punch”.

Pesky things, those facts.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ummm

how else should I interpret this?

and hout taunting him is an invitation to fight, as far as i’m concerned

by O'sFan21 on Sep 8, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly as what it is.

i think hout went looking for a fight.

that doesn’t mean i think it’s appropriate to fight him. duh.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS, gotta run

but happy to further discuss later if necessary.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok well usually a punch follows an invitation to a fight, so that’s how I interpretted what you said – that he got what he asked for.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 8, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

any way you look at it

that was a bitch move. even if it wasnt a sucker punch, i doubt the guy deserved it

by twistedlogic on Sep 8, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

And in my eyes at least it sure as hell looked like a sucker punch.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 8, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was the absolute definition of a sucker punch.

He waits until Hout is looking in another direction and then punches him. I don’t see any other way to describe it.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 6, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think you need to rewatch it

that was anything but a sucker punch. maybe unfortunate that the boise coach was trying to kind of pull him away which kind of left him open for it, but look at his face before impact, he sees it coming.

"you know what the orioles could use right now? a day off." - joe angel

by swilhelmross on Sep 7, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

watched it 10-15 times

He waits for him to turn away and punches him. Not sure how it could be more of a sucker punch. He does NOT see it coming in any way shape or form. Not even close.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 7, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just for kicks

Just went frame by frame with multiple angles with 6 other people watching with me and NOT ONE of them thought Hout sees it coming and everybody agreed it was a sucker punch. Sorry dude – don’t see how you could see otherwise.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 7, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hout approaches

a dangerous and unpredictable man. He proceeds to get into his space, hit him on the shoulder and taunt him verbally. Just because he does not have the sense to ready himself for a response does not free him from the repercussions of the situation that he created. So sorry dude, that was only a sucker punch in the light that the dude was a sucker who got himself into a situation where he deserved to be punched.

by b_duardo on Sep 7, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha a dangerous and unpredictable man

What you just describe – IS FOOTBALL! Taunting is part of the game and if you can’t handle it than you should get the fuck out. Which is exactly what’s been told to dude since he sucker punched another player.

Again, dude looks at him, waits for him to face the other direction, then puts his hands into a punching position and hits him. By the book sucker punch. You can make all the excuses you want, but the bottom line is not only could the punk ass not handle a little taunting (like a baby), he waited until the taunter was looking somewhere else before throwing a punch. Punk/weak/bitch sucker punch/cheap shot any way you look at it. But keep on defending this upstanding individual. Wahhhhh he tapped me on the shoulder pads!!! Wahhhh he took my shit-talking and turned it back around on me!!! Wahhhhhhh. Cry me a river sucker puncher.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 7, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Taunting is part of the game

No it’s not. It’s expressly prohibited in the game.

And the rest of your post is crap.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

Whether or not he should have expected a punch is not what’s being debated. It doesn’t matter whether he should have been looking and ready. The fact is he wasn’t either. That’s what makes it a sucker punch.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 7, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're wrong. look at the tape. there's no waiting, the punch starts when Hout is looking at him.

and the other way to describe it is what i wrote above. see that.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok well I don’t see that at all. And if he were looking at him when the punch starts why doesn’t he duck, move his face, move his hands, DO ANYTHING TO AVOID IT???? Sorry, but nobody that I’ve shown the video too has seen anything other than a sucker punch.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 8, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because, generally, a punch happens faster than people who aren't expecting it can move

this is how people get punched all the time.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

People do indeed get punched all the time.

But when they are punched while looking in another direction, it’s called a sucker punch. Which is precisely what this was. But really keep on defending this upstanding individual. The school, who had a hell of a lot more reason to take his side than you do, obviously agrees!

by O'sFan21 on Sep 8, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not defending the individual,

and that’s a strawman you’re setting up. nice try though.

i’m saying it’s not a sucker punch. that seems to be going over your head.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry if you were not defending him, but by saying it was not a sucker punch and that Hout basically had it coming (how I read your diatribe against taunting above) and that much more ink should have been spent about how terrible Hout was, that’s how it seemed.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 8, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

c'mon, don't be ridiculous.

saying “blount didn’t throw a sucker punch”/“blount didn’t wait to punch him” is not the same thing at all as defending the punch. and i’m sure you realize the difference between the two.

someone who says, "michael vick should be allowed to play football again’ is not defending vick’s propensity to klll dogs. it’s discussing what punishment fits what crime.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

But debating whether it was a sucker punch was only one of the three things I mentioned. When taken together it sure seemed to me like you were defending him. And, like I said, sorry if that’s not the case.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 8, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no worries.

what is 40 messages to each other in half an hour for, if not to clarify? ;)

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 8, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't matter what you say ...

… it never justifies assaulting another person. At least not legally. The only exception is if someone is threatening you.

Hout’s actions amount to taunting. Nothing more. Based on what duck said, it is even understandable what he said. You have some guy on the opposing team talking about putting an ass whupping on you and after they fail to do it you go up to him and say “Make that two ass whuppings.” Completely understandable, if not exactly appropriate. But then we are talking about 18 – 22 yr old young men. A smart ass comment from that grouping is not a new phenonmenon. We see plenty of it here, from supposedly an older and more mature group of people. I wouldn’t expect Hout to get nothing more than a talking to by his coach (and maybe a few extra conditioning drill reps to make the talk stick).

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Sep 9, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sigh
it never justifies assaulting another person

nor did i ever say it did. see above.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 9, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The whole attack the victim and defend the defendent thing tends to make people think that’s what you’re doing.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 9, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s “defendant”. And I never defended him. I said his punishment might be too extreme. There’s a difference. A big difference.

I really can’t help it if people can’t read and/or decide to jump to their own conclusions.

"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo

by zknower on Sep 9, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the spelling correction!

And like I said, when you take the 3 basic arguments that you made (that it was a fair/clean punch, that Hout had it coming, and that not enough ink was being used to criticize the victim) sorry, but that’s pretty much defending him.

by O'sFan21 on Sep 10, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

[THUDDD!!!]

No, that was the sound of me hitting the floor after fainting: it appears that O’sFan21 and I actually agree on something.

That right sure looked like a sucker punch to me (no, I haven’t done a frame-by-frame Zapruder analysis). In any case, throwing a head punch after a game and in front of thousands of spectators is indeed “nutjob” behavior. Whatever the verbal provocation, the juridical term for this kind of response is “assault.” While I think Blount has been penalized appropriately, I also hope he recognizes that he could’ve found himself dealing not with the school or the conference or (heaven help us) the NCAA, but with the legal system.

‘Course, I also thought Latrell Sprewell should’ve gotten at least a trip downtown in cuffs post-Carlesimo…

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Sep 8, 2009 2:52 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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