Orioles frustrating again!
by Oriolebird88 on Sep 9, 2009 8:49 AM EDT
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The Orioles leave their fans frustrated again! The orioles have this promotion out where they will be selling 500 tickets for a dollar to certain games. Figuring it was going to be a Tuesday night (Sept 15th) game against the Rays where there will probably be 5,000 people there a local radio station in town (WNST) decided that they were going to put together a rally. SEE THE BIRDS. They were going to try and reach that 500 ticket mark and possibly beyond. Since the Orioles web site cost a little more than a dollar with shipping and handling and a convince fee WNST sold them for just two dollars. One dollar goes toward the ticket and the other goes toward the Nick Markakis Right side foundation. With in three hours of the promotion they sold over 500 tickets, so they then asked the orioles (figuring they are doing a good thing by getting people to go to the game) if they could be granted an unlimited amount of tickets for this event which is also going to charity. The Orioles for whatever reason turned them down.
Now this issue leaves me furious and absolutely ticked off. The Orioles stink we know that, but to turn down over 500 fans and 500 dollars worth of charity is absolutely ridiculous. I posted this because the Orioles have once again failed to satisfy the community and to think they don’t even consider this for charity absolutely frustrates me. Once 1 o’clock roles around on Sunday the orioles will have been forgotten for a 12th straight year and this I think would have generated some buzz for them. It was a win win situation and they blew it again. “Wait till they see what the upper deck looks like the rest of the season. I mean this passed weekend we had the lowest attendance in baseball”
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WNST is full of crap
WNST did not do what they are doing to try and get people out to see the Orioles. It was a pre-meditated plan to force the Orioles to behave a certain way so that they can lambaste them yet again for being horrible to fans.
The Orioles announced a million times that there are 500 $1 tickets available for every game, and online only. If WNST wanted to run a promotion through their website where they sold tickets for $2 with half going towards a ticket and half going towards Nick Markakis’ charity, what they should have done was talk to the Orioles promotion or tickets department about it and worked something out. That’s what real businesses do. Instead, they announced on their website and on air without consulting the Orioles at all.
Here are excerpts from Drew’s blog about it:
They have to sell us the tickets for $1.00, per the advertisements they’ve been running for the last three weeks or so.
We might wind up with 81 tickets sold. We might wind up with 184. We might wind up with 633. However many we actually wind up selling, they have to honor that number.
And I don’t mean to sound harsh here, but we – our group from WNST – will only be paying $1.00 for each ticket. We’re not paying a ticket service charge and we’re not paying the postal service or some overnight company for delivering them to us. We’re not giving ANYONE any money except the Orioles ($1.00) and Nick Markakis’ foundation ($1.00).
You’ll be able to sign up at WNST.net today via PayPal. You’ll pay $2.00, period. $1.00 gets you a ticket to the game and the other $1.00 will go to Markakis’ foundation and we’ll hand deliver that check to him on Tuesday.
Obviously, the O’s are going to have waive the ticket service charge (which you would have to pay if you booked the $1.00 ticket through them) but, in return, we’re bringing folks to the game and giving their star rightfielder money for his Foundation.
And, please, I don’t want to hear any Who-Struck-John? about how "we can’t sell you the tickets for just a dollar…we have to include the service charge." No, you don’t. Remember, I SOLD tickets for a living." You’re not going to be able to lie to me on this one. You just create a new code in the ticket computer and make it a $1.00 "group ticket" and it’s done.
The ticket price is $1.00, as advertised, and we’re more than willing to pay $1.00 per-seat.
He was basically challenging the Orioles to do WNST’s bidding. And WNST knew the entire time the Orioles wouldn’t do that, which is exactly what they wanted. It was all done simply so Nestor could write a column today about how the Orioles FO are a bunch of useless M-F’ers who don’t care about fans.
It’s obvious to anyone that pays attention that WNST has an agenda and everything they (especially Drew and Nestor) do is with the intent to further that agenda.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
by Stacey on Sep 9, 2009 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
SO
There is no reason the orioles cant grant them that because there is going to be no body there!!!! Challenging them or not its a loss for the orioles.
by Oriolebird88 on Sep 9, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SO
If I write on this blog that I’m getting a group together and you only need to pay me $1 for the tickets, regardless of the actual ticket price, and without consulting the Orioles at all, you’re saying I should be able to call them and demand they give me the tickets for $1 no matter what? And the Orioles should agree to that, just because ‘no one is going to be there’? Sounds like the burden is on ME to meet the crazy offer that I gave without consulting the Orioles to even check if that was ok.
by NewYorkOriole on Sep 9, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
The orioles are basically giving away 500 tickets, so if you’re not in that 500 just go to the next game. It’s nice that WNST wants to help Nick’s charity but it doesn’t change the fact that the O’s didn’t have to run the promotion in the first place. I find that to be just arrogant if Drew and Nestor think the O’s should do what they say just because it is for a good cause without talking to them first.
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by Graham71681 on Sep 9, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WNST doesn't want to help Nick's charity
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
by Stacey on Sep 9, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well then that just makes them awful people!
Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax ~ Mike Royko
by Graham71681 on Sep 9, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea thats retarded
although i cant complain if they DO actually give the money to his charity. they went about that in the wrong way tho
by twistedlogic on Sep 9, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
I’ll never agree with you. Drew’s language in his blog was purposefully inflammatory. They WILL sell us the tickets. We WILL NOT pay more than $1 to the Orioles, they HAVE to do this. Just because there aren’t going to be many fans at the game isn’t reason to bow down to such treatment.
Nestor has been crying foul regarding the Orioles for years and at this point it doesn’t matter what the Orioles do, he will only do things to try and make them look bad.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
by Stacey on Sep 9, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew Forrestor...inflammatory?
Well I never!
Seriously, folks, those guys whole jobs seem to be to piss as much as possible on the Orioles. You absolutely cannot take their side of the story without saltmine’s worth of salt.
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by Andrew @ TLC on Sep 9, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this reply and your original post are so idiotic, and so devoid of reason,
that it’s a real waste of time and energy to address them.
so i won’t.
"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo
by zknower on Sep 9, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
address: direct one’s efforts towards something, such as a question
what i wrote above didn’t really take any effort.
don’t know why you seem to be going out of your way to provoke me?
"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo
by zknower on Sep 10, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this doesn’t count as addressing, then what exactly is it?
this reply and your original post are so idiotic, and so devoid of reason,
And the reason I responded to your response here is that I found it obnoxious. You added nothing to the conversation other than to ridicule somebody else’s post.
by O'sFan21 on Sep 10, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh good lord
The act of saying something isn’t worth a response is technically a response in and of itself, yes; but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that I was trying to comment as briefly as possible; and it is overly simplistic and child-like for you to evaluate the act of posting rather than the content of the post. It’s just an attempt to stir up trouble.
There is a past history with this particular poster in that s/he has put up lame fanposts before that were basically incoherent rants. We are trying to discourage that kind of thing, and this post doesn’t pass the smell test. It’s filled with gramattical and spelling errors, and is basically a one-sided diatribe which is almost entirely rhetoric, precious little logic, and virtually no connection to reality. To me, it reads as though it was written by a middle-schooler.
I could deconstruct it, point by point, but others above have already done so, nicely. And I tried that last time with this person’s last post, and it went nowhere, which made me realize that this person isn’t worth arguing with. So I said as much.
I added plenty to the conversation—I’m calling out bullshit fanposts as what they are, and supporting those above me who have done so. Saying, “you’re not worth my time”, believe it or not, is a contribution. Sometimes brevity has more power than paragraphs of back-and-forth.
"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo
by zknower on Sep 10, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oh good lord indeed!
I knew exactly what you were doing and I didn’t like it, which is why I responded to it. I thought it was an obnoxious attack of the poster (regardless of whether it was warranted).
If you’re trying to discourage this kind of post you could do it in a constructive manor which is what Stacey (and others) did, by deconstructing their argument and pointing out the flaws/holes.
If you don’t feel like going to the trouble of doing that (which would seem odd since you’re obviously very interested in going to the trouble of responding to my two-word response…) then you probably just shouldn’t have said anything, since what you did say was really just an attack and not a very creative or constructive one. Not what I would expect from a mod.
by O'sFan21 on Sep 10, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I responded to your three word response
because I know from my past history with you that you can be reasoned with, even if we disagree. I responded to you because I have faith you and I can actually have a critical discussion that might allow the other person to see an opposing point of view. My past history with Oriolebird88 has led me to believe that such discussions with him/her are futile and pointless, and my post was my way of letting him/her know that.
You’re welcome to your opinion about whether my post was creative or constructive. I’m not always out to get high marks in those departments.
And I have a long track record as a mod at this site. This particular post was not overly out of character for me or, for that matter, for some of the other mods here. We’re all individuals with our own styles. What you particularly expect or don’t expect is of no real concern to me.
"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo
by zknower on Sep 10, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to hear it's of no concern to you that I thought your post was obnoxious!
Really though, if it was of no real concern to you, I don’t think you would have spent all this time responding to it (I don’t usually respond to things that aren’t of concern to me). Sort of like if the original post had been so idiotic that it wasn’t worth you addressing it, you actually wouldn’t have addressed it…
by O'sFan21 on Sep 10, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As in our other debate,
you distort what I’ve actually said.
I said what you expect is of no concern to me. Do you see that? It’s right in the box above yours. What that means is, I don’t feel a need to match up to your expectations of me.
That’s a very different thing from responding to an accusation that my post is obnoxious. Of course it’s obnoxious. There are reasons why it’s obnoxious. I logged on to explain them. Having done so as best I can, I’m moving on now.
"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo
by zknower on Sep 10, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said “right in the box above yours”…if it was really of no concern to you, you wouldn’t have responded in the first place.
by O'sFan21 on Sep 10, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are giving me a headache
just kiss already!
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
by Stacey on Sep 10, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we'd never agree on where to go
"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo
by zknower on Sep 10, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I was going to write up a mock argument about date restaurants, but then I drew a total blank other than The Melting Pot…
by O'sFan21 on Sep 10, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I LOVE THE MELTING POT!!!*
I’VE BEEN DOZENS OF TIMES. I’LL BUY YOU AN AMARETTO MELTDOWN!!!
*no statements in this post are actually true.
"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo
by zknower on Sep 10, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just sucker punch him and it'll all be better
but make sure we all agree that he’s completely turned his head away first
by twistedlogic on Sep 12, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked you better when you just cussed a lot, dude.
Jim Palmer: "I said to Nolan, 'Why do you run every ball out like that?' and he said, 'Why wouldn’t you?' "
by duck on Sep 10, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you wanted a $1 ticket....
why didn’t you just go buy one yourself?
by NewYorkOriole on Sep 9, 2009 9:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the point was with the radio promotion $1 went to Markakis’ charity…
by O'sFan21 on Sep 9, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, that wasn't the point
The point was to force the Orioles to not honor a ridiculous plan made up by WNST so they could call them bad names on their radio station.
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
by Stacey on Sep 9, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that was the point of Oriolebird88 wanting to buy them through WNST.
Regardless of whether WNST actually wanted to raise money for the charity.
by O'sFan21 on Sep 9, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really didn't want a ticket
but if it would go to some charity i will dish out and extra dollar to have a good time
by Oriolebird88 on Sep 9, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
I’d have to believe this was a set up. Nestor has to drum up business somehow or he’s out on his ass. Living as an entrepreneur is not easy. I don’t understand why people get so caught up in the act. It’s exactly what he (and all the other blow hards in the world) want you to do.
Anyhow, he’s about the only one out there saying pretty much what the fans think. He’s given Peter Angelos a figurative poke in the eye. It’s been richly deserved. You can’t tell me that the “Free the Birds” stunt didn’t embarrass Angelos. WNST will pay the price if the O’s get good. WNST has boxed themselves out of a relationship with the O’s. The ball is in the O’s court to stop being an easy target. If you hate Nestor, that’s a win/win. If the O’s can stop being the losing bumblers Nestor skewers, we’ll get to see a decent team and Nestor will become irrelevant.
by drj on Sep 9, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nestor already is irrelevant.
"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo
by zknower on Sep 9, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I read about this and knew what was going on, but hadn’t brought it up here because I believe the best way to handle Nestor and WNST is to ignore them altogether. They crave attention, so why give it to them?
Earl Weaver would’ve kissed Adam Dunn on the mouth in public. - SC 08/11/08
by Stacey on Sep 10, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nestor and WNST are still in business
That’s his goal as an entrepreneur. That means enough people play into his schtick so he makes a living. I guess it depends on your perspective, but I’d say he’s staying relevant enough to stay in business.
by drj on Sep 10, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s just sad…but "See The Birds" is over — at the legal urging of Peter G. Angelos and his staff. They don’t want our money. They don’t want our fans. What can I say? I did my best to help them and support these young players.
What “money?” They’re demanding basically free tickets and are making a token donation to Nick’s charity to really ratchet up the bad PR.
by kba26 on Sep 9, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Guarantee
I will guarantee you they won’t sell 500 of those tickets at about 85% of thoughs promotions!!!
by Oriolebird88 on Sep 9, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then anyone who wanted to buy them through WNST can still do so
and make a donation to the charity on their own.
by kba26 on Sep 9, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im sorry
I just dont get why the orioles can’t do this, i just don’t get it!!!!! This team from a personnel stand point has become a tragedy! It really has. Taking a town that was once a proud baseball city and then throwing it all away.
by Oriolebird88 on Sep 9, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's okay
The Yankees and Red Sox organizations know how to properly treat their fans. You should join the ranks of NY and Bos fans. It’s really easy – just buy a pink hat and you’re in.
by PhilR8 on Sep 9, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you get a generic pink hat you could be a fan of both and just switch back and forth based on who's doing the best!
by O'sFan21 on Sep 9, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what?
are you saying that sox fans are bandwagon fans? blasphemy i say!
by twistedlogic on Sep 9, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
this is moronic. as metioned before, it is obvious they are doing this to be able to rip into the O’s FO. The thing I dont get is how they pulled it over on so many people. Nick’s charity is an EXTREMELY thin veil of a “purpose”. What were they gonna raise? $500 bucks? If you want to dontae to Nick’s charity, buy a $1 ticket from the O’s and donate a buck directly to Nick’s charity.
And btw, the O’s did a great job promoting Nick’s charity this year with all the hoopla leading up to the run. They did way more than $500 worth of marketing and advertising for it. But hey, why not make a few more O’s fans become Nats, Yanks, and Sawx fans do to misleading reporting in order to get some ratings? Totally worth it. Jerk.
by daveh873 on Sep 9, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep, as bad as the Orioles are at baseball, it seems like they do a lot for the community. They did a ton of promos for Brian’s Bash and Nick’s run.
(I was sorry to see the Oriole Advocates 5K canceled this year — for any runners on the board, I can’t recommend this enough if they put it back next year.)
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Sep 9, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeezus.
Oriolebird88, please read over the Camden Chat Day at Oriole Park Thread. That is how you set up a group outing to a MLB game.
I’m glad that CC is actually better organized and more professional than WNST.
Also, I seriously doubt Nestor and company actually know what the hell the Right Side Foundation does, let alone give a shit.
You don't EVEN KNOW who O's21girl is!
by Senatorrosewater on Sep 9, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nestor and Drew are epic failures
Also, crybaby bitches who lost their press pass for doing something stupid, I’m sure.
"I hate making excuses. If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That's the way I'm playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that's the way I feel. Yes, I suck." - Jose Guillen/quote of the year
by getxstoked on Sep 9, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what a joke.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Sep 9, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Missing the Point
I understand that WNST might have done this in a non professional way, but the orioles once again fail to try and connect with the city and fan base!!!! There is no reason they can’t grant them extra tickets considering there will be no body in the upper deck!
by Oriolebird88 on Sep 10, 2009 8:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they "connected with the city and fanbase"
by offering $1 tickets in the first place. They also pushed numerous charitys and causes this year and developed a few new cool promotions including 2110 Eutaw. It is NOT their fault if some idiot tries to hold them accountable for promises he made without their consent, and if you believe it is, well you are just helping this guy unduly defame the organization.
by daveh873 on Sep 10, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is no reason they can’t grant them extra tickets considering there will be no body in the upper deck!
So any time there’s empty seats a team should just give the tickets away? A team can’t set a precedent like that without discouraging anyone from ever buying tickets.
by kba26 on Sep 10, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
um, I've been to like 5 or 6 $1 ticket games
Because they did this last year as well as this year. I move from my seat, go to the home plate area (or failing that, I go downstairs) , and the upper deck in not empty in the RF section.
There are a lot of people who buy those 1$ tickets.
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by the fix is in on Sep 10, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're so angry
The O’s play the Yankees tonight. Do us all a favor and switch your allegiance to New York. They’re a classy organization, they treat their fans right, and they’re gonna win it all this year. Pinstripe Alley is a welcoming environment full of like-minded folks like yourself and they warmly welcome newcomers. Goodbye and farewell.
by PhilR8 on Sep 10, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEY EVERYBODY!!!
Oriolebird88 is going to buy us all tickets for next Friday’s game.since there’s plenty of good seats left, Ob88 thought it would be a great idea to connect with other bloggers and internet people buy buying them all tickets!
You don’t have to do anything special… just show up at will call on Friday and demand as many free tickets in any section you want and tell them to charge it to Ob88 with a new computer code. And I don’t mean to sound harsh, but I’m not paying for parking, either!
Now, Ob88 might deny this, but don’t worry, he HAS to buy us all tickets, because I said so on the internet. That makes it all fair and legal!
Thanks, dude! See you all at the game!
You don't EVEN KNOW who O's21girl is!
by Senatorrosewater on Sep 10, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Now you know how the front office feels.
You don't EVEN KNOW who O's21girl is!
by Senatorrosewater on Sep 11, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Yea but there is no free tickets being given away!
WNST was probably going to get a bout a thousand people there which is a thousand they probably won’t have at the game tomorrow night. As long as the tickets are being bought and they are making money there shouldn’t be a problem not to mention the money they will make off of consessions. There was nothing free about it.
by Oriolebird88 on Sep 14, 2009 8:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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