Wednesday Bird Droppings
by Camden Chat on Jan 13, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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Bordick School
Part 1 of an interview with Mike Bordick. The bunting stuff concerns me. -Stacey
Bordick School - Part II
Part two has some personal memories from when Bordick was on the O's and how he thinks they look now. -Stacey
Zrebiec: O’s spring invites
Zrebiec passes on the names of some minor leaguers being invited to ST, including for some reason Alfredo Simon. Why are we still messing with that dude? -Stacey
Staying put in left field
Steve Melewski is stumping for Reimold to get the majority of the playing time in LF. -Stacey
Pie Ready For Everyday Play : Baseball Daily Digest
Dave Golebiewski takes a look at Felix Pie's rise to respectability and believes he's the man for left field, not Nolan Reimold. Take that, Melewski! -Stacey
Aubrey Huff and Subtraction by Addition | FanGraphs Baseball
FanGraphs makes fun of the Giants for signing Aubrey Huff. -Stacey
Audio of the Day: Brooks Robinson
Mike Silva posts his audio of the day on NY Baseball Digest, an interview with Brooks Robinson from 2008. -Stacey
Pirates sign 3 to minor-league deals - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
Brian Bass is no longer the Baltimore Orioles problem as he signed a minor league deal with the Pittsburgh Pirates. -Stacey
Orioles tickets go on sale Saturday | Maffs Memos
Just one more reminder: Individual tickets for all 16 of the Baltimore Orioles’ spring training games at Ed Smith Stadium will go on sale 10 a.m. Saturday. -zk
Market thins, but remains plentiful | MLB.com: News
"But don't forget about Erik Bedard, who might end up back with his original team, the Orioles..." So we're not the only ones saying it. -duck
It's Baltimore, gentlemen, the Open Thread will not save you.
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I'm so bored of the offseason
I’m ready for some action. Trade somebody, sign somebody, do something Andy. It’s killing me.
Peter Schmuck? Is that you?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Trade Luke Scott
Please!!!! The Orioles need a SS prospect at least at Bowie. Givens is probably at least three years away if he ever succeeds. Scott is a power hitting outfielder. I’m sure he has value.
lets get mark mcgwire!
he plays 1b right?
by twistedlogic on Jan 13, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Nobody cares about a SS for Bowie
The O’s need a SS pretty badly IMO. If they can get a good one, even if he is just a prospect, I would be satisfied. I don’t care about Bowie, but if we can trade for a SS to develop like we are with Josh Bell at 3B, why not?
But, of all the gigantic gaping holes to worry about
3B, 1B, relief pitching, etc, why on earth are we worried about an A-AA shortstop? Why not just draft one this year if that’s a big concern for the future? Also, we’re not going to get a high level prospect in exchange for Luke Scott, so what’s the point?
That’s my whole argument with Sherrill.
We’re not going to get a high level prospect in exchange for Luke Scott George Sherrill.
Maybe we did. But color me skeptical.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Except that George Sherrill
is much more valuable than Luke Scott. A dominant LH reliever who can close or be a shutdown lefty specialist who’s under contract for 3 full seasons, compared to Luke Scott? As somebody already pointed out, if somebody is in need of an OF/DH type they could just sign one of the numerous free agents still available and not have to give up anything other than cash (and maybe a pick). Why would anybody give up an actual prospect instead?
I mean
that Sherrill was more valuable at the time the trade was made. Not necessarily that he’s more valuable in general (although I think he is).
Yeah, I can see that.
I guess I’m just thinking that if it’s my team, I’m not trading my 3B of the near future for a set up guy. Which is what Sherrill was / is to them. Of course, I wouldn’t trade 5 guys for Erik Bedard either.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
haha true...
But on the other hand if you were a dodgers fan last year and thought you had a legitimate shot at going tot he World Series right now I might be ok with trading a 3B top prospect for a Sherrill…
They don’t even have a 3B now do they?
And yes…I’d trade a really good prospect for a bat boy if said bat boy could help me win the title.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Casey Blake and Blake DeWitt
from the looks of their roster. Their top 10 prospects consist of only 4 position players.
- SS – Dee Gordon
- OF Andrew Lambo
- SS – Ivan DeJesus Jr.
- OF – Trayvon Robinson
So, unless they expect one of those SS’s to move over to 3rd it makes the move on their part all the more puzzling in my mind. Almost as if they didn’t think Bell could handle 3B and would eventually ahve to move to first where they already have a pretty good (although not that powerful) 1B in James Loney.
I didn’t look to see where Bell ranked on their list last year either though.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Minor League Ball
ranked Bell #10 in their system last year.
It said that reports about weight were disturbing and that he might not hit enough to play 3B.
In my mind they described him as “pillowy.”
Austin Gallagher was also rated a C+ like Bell and was actually slotted one spot above him.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Uh, I should pay attention.
those rankings came from an SBNation site. sorry. I’m not sure how close they are to other credible sites.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Sickels' rankings are right up their with BA
He was ESPN’s lead minor league guy for a while until he was let go because ESPN didnt feel the need for minor league coverage anymore.
This year Sickels
wrote: “I like Bell too, but I see him more as a solid regular than a future star” and gave him a B. His 2009 season was sort of a breakout year for him. I don’t know about too many other places, but Jim Callis and Keith Law both really like Bell, too – and they both think he can stay at third for the foreseeable future.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Hrm. This seems like a faulty argument
You’re saying that because a relief pitcher is not inherently that valuable, the return on said pitcher must therefore not be that valuable either?
I mean, you have to look at the reports on Josh Bell and Steve Johnson and not just some preconceived bias based on the cost of adding them. That just seems like two ideas that don’t necessarily correlate at all (and certainly not when taken on their own).
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
I'll try again
You said, basically, “Josh Bell can’t be a high level prospect because we got him for George Sherrill, who just isn’t that valuable”, and I’m saying that that is hardly proof positive.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
I'm saying
before I believe Josh Bell is a future HOFer I’ll have to see it.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I'll settle
for just a guy with a decent chance to be our long-term third baseman.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
You're in the minority then.
The fawning over Bell has been excessive.
If we get a long term, 3B solution out of George Sherrill I’ll be surprised. I’ll be happy…but I’ll be surprised.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
bell could be okay
but i agree that the dodgers wouldnt give up somebody they thought was going to be that good for sherrill (who they werent even getting to close games). especially considering that blake 1 is getting up in the years and blake 2 is incredibly inconsistent.
by twistedlogic on Jan 13, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Recent history and past history
is littered with GMs making mistakes large and small on players and especially prospects. Not saying that anyone specific did or did not in this case, but the only argument you guys are making is this:
“The Dodgers wouldn’t give up a top 100 prospect and another guy for a reliever”
And I’m saying that based on the scouting reports and the stats available to us, they sure did. Not that Josh Bell is a top 10 guy or anything like that. He’s probably, from what I’ve read, somewhere around 75ish?
But I can only say that the reports on Bell definitely outway the uneasiness you all feel from assuming that the Dodgers are infallible in prospect evaluation.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Someone is worth whatever the other GM believes he is...
Which may be far more than their actual value.
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Jan 13, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
For what?
Who is going to trade for Luke now that you can just go out and buy Johnny Damon, Rick Ankeil, Xavier Nady, at a discount? We missed our window there.
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 13, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Luke is under team control for two more years
and is relatively cheap.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Well there may be another window in July
But right now FA outfielders are cheap, so I don’t see a trade developing right now.
pedro florimon, jr
will start the season at bowie. he’s rated as having major league ready defense and made major offensive strides as a 22 year old at frederick (32 2B, 5 3B, 9 HR, 26 SB, seriously downward trending k rate).
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jan 14, 2010 7:16 AM EST up reply actions
Bored, eh? Well, now that the report's out how about making up our All Substance-Abuse Team?
OK, I’ll go first:
RHP— No contest: Sid!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
no doug johns?
sid DOES lead the franchise in all time assaults on the legal system.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jan 14, 2010 7:18 AM EST up reply actions
When the Gods fuck with you you find a way to fuck the Gods!
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
They should move Leno to another timeslot: 1987
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 13, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
+1
Although I don’t really watch any of them anyway.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 13, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
+1000
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Just generally enjoying the spectacle of it.
Don’t watch either of their shows (never have), but am finding the whole thing very interesting.
Conan is getting the shaft
Local affiliates want to can Leno because their 11 p.m. news ratings are plummeting without a drama lead in, which means less people still have the TV on when Conan starts up, driving down his ratings, so NBC’s solution is to move Leno back to 1130?
Jay Leno is perpetuating some myth that NBC fired him from the Tonight Show when that’s not at all what happened, which I don’t know why. Because he’s salty I guess.
But whatever. I rarely watch late night shows but when I do, it’s Letterman.
I have no idea what your talking about....
is there something up with Conan?
"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."
by NewYorkOriole on Jan 13, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
They changed the timeslots and are trying to move Conan and leno back to their respective slots.
Personally Craig is my favorite. Now if only he wasn’t on at 1 am
by OsandRoyals on Jan 13, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I hate Conan
I don’t like Leno much either, but Conan irks me to my core. He’s childish. What’s he doing on late night TV?
When I’m up REALLY late I’ll watch Jimmy Fallon. I’m partial to his Jewishness. And he’s really funny. Leno and Conan are not. At all.
Now that's funny
Conan is childish but Jimmy Fallon isn’t? I don’t watch either one but I’d have never pegged Jimmy Fallon for mature comedic performances.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Yeah...have to agree
Jimmy Fallon – not funny. I’m not a big fan of either Conan or Leno, but I think they are both significantly funnier than Fallon.
none of the above are funny
letterman, stewart, colbert…..funny.
the entire nbc lineup….. not funny.
i haven’t ever watched killborn.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Jimmy Fallons not Jewish
And I don’t think hes funny.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
keep Conan at 11:30 pm.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Missing from the stats tracker
I wonder how many “The Wire” references get posted on this blog compared to all other SBN blogs. Something tells me they would have a hard time tracking that. I think we’ve got that market locked down.
And anybody who steps to and tries to take over is going in a vacant rowhouse.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 13, 2010 12:14 PM EST reply actions
I remember
one series when the O’s played the White Sox, South Side Sox had a billion Wire references in their comments. It was highly enjoyable.
The Wire
I missed The Wire when it was live on TV. Using Netflix, I watched the all of the episodes in a month. Great show. Very distressing on many levels.
Back to baseball. I like Luke Scott, but I agree that trading him would be a wise move. Too bad we didn’t trade him last July when he was impersonating Babe Ruth. Perhaps he is worth a prospect in the low minors.
Especially that episode
featuring Sir Sidney Ponson losing to the White Sox
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Speaking of The Wire
I can’t remember if I posted this already, but this is a pretty interesting interview with David Simon:
http://www.viceland.com/int/v16n12/htdocs/david-simon-280.php
I'm really curious to see Treme
New Orleans is really hard to get right on TV, but I think Simon might be able to do a reasonable job.
Read the whole thing
I love listening David Simon, and the points he has to make are always well informed and insightful, but if you’ve done one David Simon interview, you’ve kind of done them all. He always talks about how humans are now worth less than they ever were, and he’s right and I agree with him, but it’s just that I’ve done it before.
Having said that, saw this on C-Span, and it was just a really insightful speech on the state of the media today.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/286899-1&start=1646&stop=1992
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
Finally started watching this show.
Each season is only $20 on itunes, and I’ve got through the first three in about a month. Also just bought the old man the first two seasons on DVD for X-mas and his birthday and he’s hooked as well. I’m fairly upset with myself that I took so long to get into it, even after all my friends pleaded with me about how much I would love it.
when you finish with the wire....
Deadwood rules.
And both are available on Netflix, btw.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
There was a great throwaway joke
on The Wire regarding Deadwood’s reputation. Not sure when it was but some dude was watching Deadwood and starting cracking up: “Haha, he said ‘cocksucker’!!”
Deadwood is an amazingly bright and clever show considering its reputation for foul-mouthedness. It might be better than The Wire in like every category. Its a tight race.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
My bicycle masters boardwalk and quagmire with aplomb.
Those that doubt me… suck cock by choice.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
I try to not use three words when one will work just fine.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
san francisco! cocksuckah!
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
i thought The Wire was the best TV show ever made......
…until I saw Deadwood. Which wins by a cocksuckin’ short hair.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I always wished HBO would have given Carnivale the full 6 years they had planned
I understand why it was cancelled, but I thought it had the potential to be better than either of them.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Don’t leave us Brian Bass! How are we going to get our groundballs?
And yes the Wire was amazing. I would take out the seasons one at a time and not be able to sleep until I had finished the whole season.
Left Coast, meet Huff Daddy
Your new cleanup hitter
Huff is known as a fun-loving guy and some of his personality came out on the call when asked about AT&T Park’s unfriendly aspects for left-handed hitters. "Listen," he said, "If Barry Bonds can hit home runs there, I can, right?"
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