Tuesday Bird Droppings
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Trading Luke or Wiggy for Relief Pitching
Chicago Tribune's Phil Rogers says that the Orioles are talking to Crede and that if they sign him, as a result they'll try to trade Wiggy or Luke for relief pitching. You can mark my words that if the Orioles trade Luke Scott for a relief pitcher instead of letting him play 1B and instead stick Garrett Atkins out there, I will freak out. -Stacey
Focused on 3rd base, O's might sign Crede or bring back Tejada - baltimoresun.com
The return of Miggi? Could be. It'd be a little bit better than Crede, I think. I can't believe Garrett Atkins is gonna be our 1B. -Stacey
Q&A With Greg Bader
Oriole Post spoke with Greg Bader, the Orioles Director of Communications, about Spring Training, increased ticket prices, and promotions at the Yard this year. -Stacey
The Crystal Ball '10: Adam Jones
Dempsey's Army takes a great look at Adam Jones' career so far and what we might be able to expect from him in 2010. -Stacey
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Hoping to assist with the Haiti relief efforts, the Rays announced Monday they will contribute proceeds from the Tampa Bay Rays 2010 Fan Fest, presented by MetroPCS, to the American Red Cross Haiti Relief Fund and Save the Children. -Stacey
No Power, No Problem as Red Sox Opt for Pitching, Defense - NESN.com
The Red Sox "see themselves turning into a "Baltimore Orioles circa 1969-71" sort of team." Pardon me while I vomit. -Stacey
Hernandez's reign in Seattle to continue | MLB.com: News
Felix Hernandez has extended 5-6 years with the Mariners for not yet disclosed amount. Hey, whatever keeps him away from the Yankees. -Stacey
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Ha-ha, stupid Rogers/Tribune: we CAN'T trade Hwhigglingggton now!
1. He’s starting at 1B in the opener, duh. Didn’t Rogers read yesterday’s CC?!? Down to the bottom? Yeah, that’s prolly it.
Anyway, we can trade him after that, of course. I mean, he’s not Sid or something.
2. Sawx go all ‘69-’71 Orioles on us —> Stacey vomits. Wait, this is disorienting: I thought hugging was your thing. Barfing is mine. Look where I live, for cripes sakes. Don’t I have a dibs on record somewhere?
Suddenly I feel, I dunno, all empty…
3. I sort of wish F. Hernandez had gone to the Other League. Yeah, the Japanese Coastal. Guy kills us as long as he remains on the US mainland, I figure.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Anyone going to FanFest?
Last time I went I met Jerry Hairston, Eugene Kingsale, and Albert Belle. Figured it’s about time to make a return appearance.
I'm with you Stacey
if Atkins is our first baseman, and we’ve traded away Luke Scott for a reliever, this offseason is really, truly, completely fucked. Way to get worse at two positions (at least) but grab a reliever!
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
It had better be
Should’ve tried for Laroche/Branyan/Delgado
But shockingly, an even bigger problem would be at third… Tejada walks once every eight games and Crede won’t last a month without tearing something
by whereswieters on Jan 19, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
They tried to get LaRoche, he wasn't interested
Delgado is not proving himself in PR. Branyan is a possibility, but he wants to get paid, so it’ll take time to get him.
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 19, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
I heard this before
I’m not thrilled with Atkin’s bat at 3rd, so putting him at 1B makes absolutely no sense to me. I would take Wiggington’s bat at 1B over Atkins (which is pretty bad). Atkins at 1B, Crede at 3B would be one of the least potent corner infield combinations I can remember.
And why are we trying to trade for RP??? That doesn’t seem to be a big need to me. If we are going to trade, I’d rather get prospects.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 19, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Crede > Miggy
You remember how Miggy was just kinda alright at SS? He’s like 6 years older now. Probably even more cranky too. You think he’s gonna step aside if Bell is ready?
Trading Luke right now would be selling low. Trading Wiggy, for anything, would be just the thing. Hell, I’d even take Mike Lowell for him.
Miggy was one shy of TWO HUNDRED FREAKIN' HITS last year
Yes, I know it was Houston. But I’ll take it.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Crede hit as many HR in half the PA
Miggys OPS: .795, and looks to decline from there
Crede’s OPS: .703, and looks to rebound
Crede will never hit like Miggy, but his value is with his glove, which will do our young pitching staff many favors.
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 19, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
He's a whiny little bitch.
I’d prefer not to have him anywhere near our young guys. Don’t you remember him just packing it in every June? Fuck that guy.
I sorta feel that way too
I don’t know. The whole thing is kind of annoying.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
This whole thing IS annoying
I’m not exactly sure what the Orioles are trying to accomplish with all of these moves. That’s been the main thing I’ve had against them all offseason. Why even bring in Tejada? We’ve got 4 first basemen on the roster, 5 if you count Atkins. None of them are especially better than any other. Why push that number to 5 (counting 4 guys who won’t even play there) by moving Atkins to first where his bat will look especially impotent?
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Half of those 5 are throw aways though no? Do we care if Aubrey gets pushed aside? Or Wiggy? I don’t.
Don’t get me wrong – I definitely don’t want Tejada. I also don’t really care that much about the log jam of scrubs/mediocres at first base if we can sign a 1B or 3B that is better.
Well they spent the last year
accumlating all that junk, all so that they could…never use it?
Look, I’m not saying I’d rather see Mike Aubrey play first than anyone else…I’m just wondering why they went through the trouble of picking up Aubrey and Hughes so that they could give the position to a guy who can’t hit noticeably better than them but had a shit-ton of RBI like four years ago.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Junk is junk.
Who gives a shit whether they use it or not? My feeling is if you can make the team better and not sacrifice any long term development why not do it? I don’t think the long term health of the team is dependent even slightly on Wiggy or Aubrey getting playing time. What “trouble” was involved in picking up Aubrey or Hughes? Weren’t they essentially free?
All I'm saying is
we have all of these guys that we have accumulated and used valuable roster spots on and instead of using any of them, we’re going to go with a guy who is not especially better than them who we picked up for the purpose of……I don’t know what. Batting seventh? Getting us to that elusive 75th win?
That’s my real point: I just don’t know what the Orioles hope to accomplish with all of these junk moves. Joe Crede? Garret Atkins? We’re spending money and roster spots on these guys why exactly?
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Right
I don’t necessarily have a problem with Atkins OR Crede. Neither is fabulous, but if you want to keep the path clear for Bell I get it. But both of them just makes no sense at all. What on earth.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
part of the point
is that I think Andy & co view Atkins as one of those “low-risk, high reward” guys. They are expecting him to bounce back to his former power numbers. And Crede is exellent defensively, certainly better than anyone else on the roster for 3B, which is important for the young’uns. If you’re looking for a rationale, that might be the justification. Of course, we haven’t even signed Crede, so it’s all speculation.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
This
And really who cares if these moves displace Aubrey, Hughes, Wiggy, etc? Do we really care about those guys?
Personally if we weren’t going to make any more additions I would have preferred seeing one of the unproven guys over there and just seeing what they can do. At least there’s some upside, but if there’s a chance to get proven players cheaply it’s hard for me to argue against it on the basis that we’ll be creating a logjam over there.
Aubrey has all of 145 PA in the majors
He was picked 1-11 in 2003 and cost us a PTBNL. Hughes was the PTBNL in the Zaun trade, which was a salary dump I may never understand. I’m not sure if he’s even on the 40 man roster. Point is they are both very low risk and expendable, although I would like to see what Aubrey can do, they’re filler that we needed last year, and they’re not going to block anyone
Right
and who cares if they get pushed aside for better players. They are very unlikely to become a long term option.
Okay
so I’ll concede that Atkins makes some sense as the classic low-risk rebound guy who could, in some perfect universe, turn into our long-term answer at first base (spoiler: I’m not holding my breath).
But his bat can still rebound if he’s playing third base. So what’s the point of acquring Tejada or Crede and pushing Atkins to first? Neither of those two bums are even potential long-term answers. All they would do, in my mind is:
1) win the Orioles an extra game or two in 2010
2) ensure that the Orioles don’t give a shot to Rhyne Hughes or Michael Aubrey.
And again, I’m not saying Hughes or Aubrey are anything. I’m saying we don’t know for certain, and in a season where the absolute-best-case scenario is like 84 wins, why are we giving playing time to Miguel Tejada instead of Rhyne Hughes?
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
But they are clearly
better than Aubrey or Hughes. As has been pointed out – Tejada just had 200 hits and Crede is awesome with the glove. If they got Crede the left side of the infield is set defensively and Atkins hopefully is a better bat than either Aubrey or Hughes. So it seems like an improvement to me at no cost to the future (unless you think Aubrey or Hughes are part of the O’s future, which I don’t think anybody does).
Again
I’m not saying I hope they make these moves, but I think the logic behind making them is pretty easy to understand.
My final word
I just don’t understand making all of these moves for players like Joe Crede in an effort to win 77 games (or whatever). We can finish under .500 without spending the money or the roster spot.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Who said the effort was to win 77 games?
And who would be taking up that roster spot if not for Joe Crede? If the answer is Michael Aubrey my answer is a resounding “who cares?” The money is a more reasonable argument, but I assume at this point that Crede will be pretty dirt cheap.
Well
how many games do you think a Credified-Orioles would win?
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Who knows? But clearly the goal in adding him isn’t to go from winning 75 to 77 games. The goal is to improve the club – not sure how many wins anybody is projecting for them currently, but if Crede improves the club at little cost, then what’s the downside? If it only gets them an additional win or two does that mean they shouldn’t do it? He’s head and shoulders better than anybody we have at 3B defensively right now and considering that we have a whole crop of young pitchers coming up, having good defense doesn’t seem like a bad thing to me.
"If it only gets them an additional win or two does that mean they shouldn’t do it"
Yes. I don’t believe the pitchers’ growth will be affected by the extra ground balls that get by Atkins.
I guess that that’s where our opinions split.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
So
how many wins does a guy have to add before it makes sense to sign him? I really just don’t understand this logic – if a guy is cheap and makes the team better without displacing anybody that matters, what is the downside?? There aren’t that many players out there that automatically come in and add 5 wins to a team, so if you can get a few guys cheaply that add 1-2 wins that seems like the right approach.
I just don't see the value
of going from 77 wins to 78 wins (or whatever). I’d rather see what (if anything) some of these guys we’ve accumulated can do.
If the Orioles don’t think any of those guys are anything more than minor league depth, fine, at least now I sort of understand their reasoning. I still disagree with it, but that’s just one man’s opinion.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Ok...
again I’m not sure why you’ve settled on this 77 to 78 wins number. But even if you assume that’s the difference he would make, why not do it? I really think the goal should be to continually improve the ball club. If the starting point is 75-76 wins and a new player gets you to 77-78 wins that seems like improvement, and if it’s cheap I’m all for it. As I said, the players that add 5+ wins all by themselves are few and far between. Hopefully guys like Wieters, Matusz, Tillman, and maybe Bell turn into them and we don’t have to get those 5+ wins from the free agent pool, but in the mean time I’m all for adding 1-2 wins at a time and building a better club.
personality
you both are right but missing a point. Millwood was an upgrade but clearly he isnt going to be our long term ace. but he will be a mentor to the young kids (which was stated by AM). the 1b/3b options out there compared to the in house options available are all average. I think the biggest upgrade will be the guy who comes in here or steps up within for one year knowing most likely it will be one year or less, give his all, and potentially contribute in the clubhouse (which I am sure AM is looking at). Listen you can post stats till the cows come home but last years #’s dont mean squat if they guy knows he has no future on the team and is counting down until July 31. Maybe a reason Laroche didnt want to come here beings he was looking for a multi.
I’d prefer not to have him anywhere near our young guys.
this.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Roch: you don't have to worry about Miggy coming back
Each time that I’ve asked president of baseball operations Andy MacPhail about bringing back Tejada, I’ve walked away convinced that it wouldn’t happen. The Orioles never slammed the door on him, but they preferred to go in another direction – one that wasn’t backward. A reunion was highly unlikely. That message came across quite clearly during our conversations.
Then again, this is MacPhail we’re talking about.
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 19, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
By July....
I’m really hoping we don’t need him and package him to soneome else. I didn’t say I wanted him there all year….
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Chicago Tribune’s Phil Rogers says that the Orioles are talking to Crede and that if they sign him, as a result they’ll try to trade Wiggy or Luke for relief pitching.
Just like I posted on Sunday ;) . I guess everybody was watching football.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
+1
love Sugar
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
They really perfectly capture
and express how much it sucks to do badly at baseball. Can’t imagine doing that with so much pressure on me though.
I've spent the past 40 minutes talking about porn theatres in class
law school is so weird sometimes.
PLEASE GET RID OF WIGGY. HE SUCKS. I would much rather have Luke batting .265 and hitting 20-25 than Wig batting .270 and hitting 11-14
"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'"
Earl Weaver
they both suck
in a dream world maybe Bell comes up mid-season and Atkins magically remembers how to hit and we can trade both Wiggy and Luke.
yes, but for the last ONE season, he averaged 11HR per year with an OPS of .714
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
awesome.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
HAHA YES
i love those things. i always thought it was more of engineering humor cuz none of my friends outside the eschool think they’re funny
by twistedlogic on Jan 19, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Every once in a while there will be a math joke that i dont get
It actually makes me feel better about myself.
Tejada
I love defense. All home runs look alike. A great defensive play is spectacular. So, if we are not going to win in 2010, which we are not, give me a good glove man at third (Crede) rather than Tejada.
If is possible that Luke can figure out how to be more consistent? How does it just disappear?
the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
would anyone trade for him
when there are similar players available in FA right now? A midseason trade sounds right, though.
probably not
I only see prospects in return maybe along with a reliever. not worth it to me right now. hopefully his stock will go up in the first half and somebody will take him for some better prospects then. what did they get for huff last year?
Can I just say
That I’m totally in love with this picture. I try to avoid “glamor” shots, such as it were, but good lord is he gorgeous.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
And once again
I’m totally missing the physical attraction. I guess I’d make a terrible chick.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
maybe you'd just be a lesbian
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
-1
My Yankee-loving girlfriend and I spent a drive last summer figuring out the most attractive players by team and then figuring the most attractive player in baseball.
Nick Markakis beat out David Wright for number 1 overall. No pitchers made the list, because all pitchers are either completely fugly (see: Tom Gorzelanny) or completely dorky looking (see: George Sherrill).
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Mike Mussina
There aren’t many attractive Yankees so I think maybe he could have been in the running when he was with them.
Also, I sort of love you and your girlfriend. That’s pretty much the most awesome conversation ever.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Alyssa Milano also dated Brad Penny
So…yeah.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
what?
george sherril looks like VIN DIESEL. nothing dorky about that.
by twistedlogic on Jan 19, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Get it right
Vin Diesel looks like George Sherrill.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Andrew who did your gf say was the most attractive Yankee?
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Obvi NOW it's Curtis Granderson
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Yeah they're a bunch of ugs
The Orioles have a number of hotties that I’d gladly trade in for a bunch of hideous winners.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
See Teixeira, Mark
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 19, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
My gf and I agree
the Sawx are by far the ugliest team. Papeldouche, Pedroia, Youk… thats a whole lotta ugly.
I was trying to remember our best-ofs
but really struggled with it.
I think we agreed on Robinson Cano for the Yankees.
I know for a fact that Markakis, Mauer, Lowell, Wright, Utley (although I later saw him without his helmet on and barfed like Titov on a Tuesday morning), and Granderson all won their respective teams. Trying to remember the others. Matt Kemp probably, and potentially Alex Rios.
It was a while ago.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
WHAT is Utley's hair?
When I was in high school I knew this weird boy who used to lotion his hair. Like, every morning he combed lotion through it. It was the most disgusting thing ever, and that’s what I think of when I see Chase Utley.
During the WS my friends and I decided that Cole Hamels was the most attractive Phillie, although if Utley did something with that mop he’d win.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
It always reminds me
of the Futurama with the 80’s guy, cause he offers Fry some hair gel and he says “No thanks, I make my own”.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
The Red Sox
have a butt-ton of ugly going on. And also a lot of completely bland white guys who don’t look even remotely interested in anything. I drew a cartoon of them for her during the playoffs, she got a kick out of J.D. Drew and Jason Bay being cardboard boxes.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Like I said
there’s is/was a lot of ugly going on over there.
Oddly, a theorem we concocted during this process was that players become more attractive the better they are at baseball, and that personality definitely counts.
Example: While there’s nothing particularly unattractive about Papelbon, he’s Jonathon Papelbon and therefore definitely immensely unattractive to both of us.
Example #2: I don’t necessarily think Joe Mauer is super-attractive (I am definitely in the minority there, but I’d definitely take Morneau over him) but he is just so damn good at baseball that it definitely elevates him substantially.
Maybe it’s just me/us. But Jose Reyes lost a lot of his charm along with his knees (or whatever is wrong with him).
Another theorum: it’s a lot – A LOT – easier to find the ugliest player(s).
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
I agree on Morneau vs Mauer
I think that Joe Mauer would make a pretty lady but not necessarily a good looking man.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
WTF?
There’s some dead animal on his head in the first shot.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 19, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
It really does.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 19, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Those are both personality disorders
If he’s just sitting there, not doing anything, with his normal hair (or a hat on), he just looks like a guy. Nothing particularly remarkable about him. It’s when he starts staring down guys and making his O-face after some dude grounds out to short that you really start to hate his living guts.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
This is the one of the funniest things EVER
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
I would think
Theo might be better looking in the eyes of females (or gay males I guess) than any of the players. lol
Morneau looks like a goober to me. No love for Joe Nathan anybody??
mmmmm Theo
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Joe Nathan
makes this comical horse sputter before every pitch that annoys the fuck out of me.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
tons of Red Sox ugs
Lowell could make the cut. I think Jon Lester is kinda cute.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I like Lester
I mean he’s a great pitcher, not real showy, and he’s a cancer survivor.</em> It’s hard to like anyone who beats cancer, and then gets back to thier job.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 19, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said, personality definitely counts
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
I like Lester more than I'm supposed to
I try to keep it quiet.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
My eyes! The goggles! Zey do nothing!
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
mountain man
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Oh I was waiting to see this
I checked this morning and it wasn’t there. Nice pic of MW.
I’m gonna clip this for tomorrow’s bird droppings.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Nice
It is a pretty sick pick of Matt
by Jordan Tuwiner on Jan 19, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
I had a hell of a time picking a post to be proud of
But I knew we had to rep zk’s Pedro post.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
oh, hell i didn't even see that
Thanks, Stacey!
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
thank you!
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Did Orioles Hangout go under? Not even a mention for them? Not that I’m complaining. Just found it odd.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
They're not a blog
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
What ARE they, anyway?
Besides WAY too self-important…
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
yeah, what are they then?
Message board?
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Guthrie's arb figures are in
via Fanhouse
Jeremy Guthrie (Orioles) $3,625,000 - $2,300,000
I hope you win, man. You have been a workhorse for the team the last couple years, and they gave you a pay cut last year. Flount that 200 IP figure. Think of the sweet bicycle you can buy after it’s all over with.
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