Trembley Has Spoken: Left Field Belongs to Nolan Reimold
by Stacey on Jan 21, 2010 6:18 PM EST
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There has been a lot of discussion this off-season about the 2010 roles of Nolan Reimold and Felix Pie. Both showed a lot of promise in 2009 and both, I think, deserve a shot to prove themselves on a regular basis at the big league level. Unfortunately there are but three outfield positions and Nick Markakis and Adam Jones already have two of them. So what to do with Reimold and Pie?
According to Steve Melewski, the decision has been made that Nolan Reimold is the everyday left fielder and Felix Pie will have to find another way to get at bats. From his Dave Trembley:
"Our outfield is Reimold, Jones and Markakis and Pie gives us some flexibility being able to play center and left. Reimold could DH some vs. left-handed pitching. I don't see it as a competitive thing coming into spring training. Both guys (Reimold and Pie) are on the club, my job is to get them at bats and keep them fresh.
"We were impressed with Pie last year. But there is not a competition for the left field spot. Pie will find his way into the lineup quite a bit."
So there it is. Trembley has spoken. Before I go into my opinion on the entire thing, let me say that this is a good problem to have. Gone are the days of Brandon Fahey roaming left field and Jay Payton grousing in the dugout while sporting an OPS+ of 72. It's tough seeing that Pie won't get out there as much as I think he should be, but I dig that the reason is because there is someone else who deserves it as much as he does. If only we had that problem in the infield.
I like Nolan Reimold. I like him a lot. I fell in love with his patient batting eye and his overall approach at the plate. He's an decent left fielder and he's got power, something the Orioles are lacking. He deserves an everyday job, no doubt.
I like Felix Pie. He's the A word. If he can duplicate what he did in the second part of 2009 over an entire season at the plate he's more valuable than Nolan Reimold. I don't think he has the power of Reimold, but he does have power potential. Defensively, however, there is no comparison. I say without a doubt that Felix Pie is the best defensive outfielder on this team. That's based both on the statistics and on what I see with my eyes. If you don't believe me, you can 1) check out FanGraphs and 2) check out Pie's highlights on mlb.com.
I've said more than once that I think the best configuration for this team is for Pie to be in the outfield and Reimold to be the DH. I still believe it, but I know it's not as easy as it sounds. For one thing, Nolan Reimold is 26 years old and just finished his rookie year. That seems a little early to take him out of the field defensively. For another, he's not a liability in left field, he's just not as good as Pie. If you're into the WAR you should take note that in 104 games (411 PA) in 2009, Reimold's WAR was 1.0. Pie got into 101 games but only had 281 PA and his WAR was 1.4, and that's with him looking like a little lost kid at the plate for the first month. It's simply a shame to let that type of talent rot on the bench.
But maybe I'm being too cynical. After all, Diamond Dave did say that both guys are on the team and it's his job to get them both at bats. Maybe Pie won't rot on the bench, maybe Trembley really will find a way to get him out there. History doesn't seem to predict that'll happen, though, unless one of Reimold, Luke Scott, Jones, or Markakis goes down with injury and that's certainly not what I want.
I believe Pie is worthy of being a starting outfielder. I think that you have to see what he can do out there. Unfortunately you also have to see what Reimold can do. I don't think either of them is a "fourth" outfielder so that essentially leaves five players for four positions. It's almost a given that Markakis will play almost every day and if Jones can stay healthy he'll be out there almost every day as well. If the Orioles want to give Scott the bulk of the ABs at DH and declare Reimold the everyday LF, that leaves Pie as the odd man out. And it's a crying shame. It will especially be a crying shame if Garrett Atkins or Joe Crede or Miguel Tejada or Ty Wigginton get everyday playing time (I know, Pie doesn't play infield, I'm just saying).
I'm going to try to keep an open mind about Dave Trembley's roster management. Hey, maybe he'll figure it out.
(as an aside, it really is too bad I didn't save today's Bird Droppings pic for this post, isn't it?)
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I don't get that
Did you watch the games last year? He was just as valuable as Reimold. But I know you say that over and over again. Why do you think he shouldn’t get a shot? He obviously has talent.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
yea i watched the games
and i dont really get why he was just as valuable as reimold. that said, i’m not sold on reimold being solid yet (too soon to tell). half a season on either one is not enough to say he obviously has talent.
by twistedlogic on Jan 21, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
sorry...i dont want this to get misinterpreted
i think pie will make a fine 4th OFer and potentially starting caliber. i also get that he works really hard. i still would rather see reimold start for now since we developed him in our system. i mean, you know that i really wanna see luke scott dealt so reimold can DH anyways :-)
by twistedlogic on Jan 21, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Trading Luke would certainly be one way to resolve this dilemma
Move Nolan to DH most of the time, put Pie in left, have Wiggy/Aubrey/Atkins/Snyder when he’s ready/Nolan when he’s not DHing/mysterious new person play 1B.
Definitely can’t lose sight of the fact that this is a great problem to have, not only because it lock sup our outfield and then some, but one or both of them could be looking good as trade bait later in the season… I’d hate to see either one go (Pie less so though) but I’m just saying.
just wait for one to get hurt
cause chances are that one of the 4 of them will be hurt at some point this season and we will be happy to have 4 and not 3.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jan 22, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I think Reimold more than earned the job. I can’t say the same for Pie. He was AWFUL the first half. So he got hot. I don’t know what to think about that…but it sends up red flags, at least for me.
He didn't "get hot."
Look, I know it’s likely I’m gonna get labeled a Felix apologist, and maybe I am, I don’t know. But we didn’t see Pie for weeks and weeks and it turned out he was working his tail off with Crowley every single day to get himself right at the plate. It was all over the place that that’s what happened. His hard work combined with steady playing time due to injuries made him pretty good in the second half.
But Nolan deserves to be out there. I’m not trying to slight him. It’s just frustrating seeing a guy with so much talent who played so well and redeemed himself last year be stuck on the bench again.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Ok I see that
He’s got talent, I’m not doubting or arguing against that. But I still feel Nolan is more deserving than Felix. And that’s why Nolan’s the starter. Pie is a good ballplayer, and I like him, I really do. But I think I soured on him because of the first half. Now, if he somehow shows that he’s the same guy that surfaced in the second half, then we have a problem.
exactly
pie has raw talent opposed to reimold’s maturation he showed at the plate. if pie continues to work hard and no one gets hurt – do we see a trade in July or do we hold on to him until the convince reimold he is the DH of the future?
This was going to be my point
Pie is still very raw. He needs to learn to be patient at the plate, run better on the bases, utilize his speed to steal bags, and improve defense in left field. Not to mention that his bat improved, yes, but I don’t feel as though he’s ready to be a starting outfielder yet. After he figures some of those things out, all of which he should have learned at double- and triple-a, you will blossom into a starter and maybe live up to his original billing as a future all-star (based on his prospect status).
Look, I know it’s likely I’m gonna get labeled a Felix apologist, and maybe I am, I don’t know.
He is adorable.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
i kinda wanna watch felix pie do "pants on the ground"
by twistedlogic on Jan 21, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
that dance at around 1.15 seconds is awesome.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
That
would be the greatest thing ever. Well, perhaps that’s an exaggeration. But it would be pretty darn close.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
if he did that on american idol
i might, you know, actually watch the damn show. i so hope it ends now that simon is leaving. what’s UZR say about him anyways? (snark)
by twistedlogic on Jan 21, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
I occasionally tune in during auditions
but other than that, nothing. It’s just gotten so lame and predictable.
And with Simon AND Paula gone by next year, I can’t see it staying very popular for much longer.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
heck...why watch that when ive got freakin American Idol right outside my window
my roommate is singing out there as though i actually want to listen this.
by twistedlogic on Jan 21, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
I fully get it
what I don’t understand (and this isnt really referring to you, just the topic) is how so many fans could jump on the Lou “deal with me” Montanez train like they did, yet not think Pie is a serious talent. I was quite skeptical of Pie, but he proved that he’s more than just Corey 2.0. I wish we could have Luke play 1st and Nolan and Pie both get a good playing time in the field, but thats just not happening. I do love having him off the bench though, and I REALLY love that we hopefully wont be messing around with marginal guys like Montanez out there anymore. Pie probably des3erves it just as much as Nolan. They made a decision. I dont think you could go wrong either way.
were you saying that ppl like or do not like lou?
i’m kinda confused, but for the record, i dont at all care for montanez.
by twistedlogic on Jan 21, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'm saying
that there were SO many O’s fans saying Lou is great and needs to play after ‘08, but there’s no where near asmuch love for Pie, who is clearly already a better player and has way more potential to boot. I don’t get why people are still adverse to Pie but fell so damn hard for mediocre Montanez.
ut there’s no where near asmuch love for Pie, who is clearly already a better player and has way more potential to boot.
I’ve give Pie some love. I like him more than Lou. He hit 99 OPS+ last year with good defense (6.9 UZR, granted in limited time). That’s nothing great, but it’s passable for LF if he could pump his offensive numbers just a little bit. .
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
agreed
pie is much better than lou. the “deal with it” is funny tho.
by twistedlogic on Jan 21, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly
I feel like I was much more impressed with Felix in center than in left… and center is pretty much without a doubt Adam’s territory…
I dunno. I’m not entirely sure how I feel about this. I agree that, if Felix were able to duplicate what he was able to do late last season, he very well could be more useful than Reimold. However, realistically, what are the odds of that happening?
I guess what I’m trying to say is… I see the argument both ways, and I’m actually not entirely sure which side I’m on.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
It's too bad neither of them can play 3B
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
B Squad
Im sure every 3 days we will get to see pie along with moller, wigginton, and scott, so dont worry about him not getting AB’s.
The thing I do like
is that Reimold was RF in the minors, and Pie is more than capable of playing LF or CF, so i’ll never have to worry about what happens when someone needs a day off, even if it’s Nick. Just shift Nolan over and slot in Pie and you still have an amazing outfield.
Meanwhile, Colorado picked up JayPay.
Seems like
a lot of the arguments here have to do with who deserves what. If only there was some famous badass Clint Eastwood line I could go to right…now.
Point is, it is Trembley’s Job to field the best possible team on a regular basis and while clearly Pie was better than Reimold overall, 100 games just isn’t enough to go on for either of them either way. So it would be to his advantage to play both of them as often as possible. I think you can make a pretty good argument for either one of them to be “the starter”, and as the season goes along the cream will rise to the top. If Pie is really better than Reimold, I have no doubt that Pie will end up the left fielder.
Two more things:
1) Clearly Pie is better suited the traditional “fourth outfielder” role because Reimold can’t play center. Not that I’m a fan of traditional roles in baseball, but I can understand someone’s train of thought that passes through that station.
2) If you take away Pie’s August (and remember he did play in September) he hit .243/.300/.365 in 210 PA. You could definitely say (sorry Stacey!) that he got hot for a month and that’s no reason to hand him the starting job over the more consistent Reimold. Not that I am. Like I said, I think it doesn’t matter and the cream will rise regardless of who starts on Opening Day.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
rephrase
this on the “two more things” part. i personally feel that reimold was better overall, but thats just a personal feeling.
by twistedlogic on Jan 21, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
It's weird for me, too
I have no idea which one is actually better though.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
I think that we agree for the most part
especially that neither of them have shown enough to know what they’ll do in the future, which is why it makes it a shame.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Deserve's Got Nothing To Do With It!
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
The amount of love
I have for Unforgiven is unnatural. It’s the absolute epitome of a director and actor who has churned a lot of great stuff and a lot of insipid crap, and it completely destroys me every single time I watch it. Love that movie.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
IIRC Morgan Freeman was ecstatic to be asked to play in a western. I watched the last half the other day. Love it.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
so good...
i love that movie. who would have that clint eastwood would be a decent director?
gene hackman is also superb in that movie. i was watching it a little while back and had totally forgotten about richard harris.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jan 22, 2010 5:56 AM EST up reply actions
what?
while clearly Pie was better than Reimold overall, 100 games just isn’t enough to go on for either of them either way.
this is a mistake, right? reimold was clearly better overall.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
This is precisely the sort of reason why I wanted Dave Trembley to be fired last season
He will consistently make decisions that hurt both the current team’s ability to win games and the ability of this team to improve for the future. Having a defender like Felix Pie with the kind of talent that he has, and not letting him develop is an absolute shame. Having 5 solid outfielders, no 1st basemen, and not much observably being done to move the weaker defenders (Scott, Reimold) to 1st where they can provide significant value is just silly.
Felix Pie is currently a better player with more upside than Nolan Reimold, and both play the same position, but Pie’s value can only be captured if he plays in the outfield, while with Reimold there are more options.
now now
thats not entirely true. he’s younger but in such a small sample size. its hard to make a call on who is better especially defensively.
by twistedlogic on Jan 21, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
I mean, in a sense that’s true, but that becomes especially untrue for large differences in results. Felix Pie had an UZR/150 in LF of 19.4. Nolan Reimold had a -17.1/150. Small sample sizes? Absolutely, but that’s 35 runs worth of fielding over a full season to be accounted for by small sample size. Not buying it. Pie’s absolutely better defensively, we just don’t know by how much.
i mean...the fact that i hate UZR is fairly well recognized around these parts
but yea, i think thats crap. plus reimold was playing with a bum achilles for who knows how long.
by twistedlogic on Jan 21, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I understand not liking UZR… but I prefer it for fielding arguments to stats I have to pay for, and I prefer it to no objective stats at all.
I also like Pie for having played CF well, it implies he could be an extremely good left fielder.
And as a clarification for what I said earlier, I would not be at all surprised if Pie was +20 runs in outfield defense. He has great talent and athleticism out there. I would also not be surprised that Reimold is below average, although I wouldn’t be surprised if he was average either.
However, I think it’s pretty clear Pie is better defensively, and it’s pretty clear Pie, Reimold, and Scott are 3 of our 9 best position players, so I’m very disappointed theirs not more effort to play them all.
Reimold
is gonna hit 30 bombs…deal with it. (at least he did on my MLB The Show)
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
how should I know? CAN he play 1B? Felix Pie batted .240 in limited action for me off the bench…just in case you were wondering.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
haha… I would guess Reimold can play 1B at least reasonably well. And I somehow doubt that playing 1B instead of LF would cut into his offensive ability.
Probably not.
I guess Pie just has to outperform Atkins’ numbers then. Which is entirely possible. They could be in a season long battle to bat over .240.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
hahahaha
i think pie wins that. although you never know. atkins did, at one point, hit a little.
by twistedlogic on Jan 21, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Why shoudl Reimold be the one that moves?
He’s better at his job than Felix is. Period.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Having 5 solid outfielders, no 1st basemen, and not much observably being done to move the weaker defenders (Scott, Reimold) to 1st where they can provide significant value is just silly.
your argument is with MacPhail then.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
No, not at all. Olson for Pie was a great trade. So was Tejada for Scott. Reimold is a good player. We’re lucky to have 5 outfielders. It’s not MacPhail’s job to say… Luke Scott should play 1st base. That’s Trembley’s call unless I’m horribly mistaken.
well i think its more of an issue of CAN scott play first
mark my words, he WILL get a shot at 1b this year. he may not start the season there, but he’ll get at least a chance.
by twistedlogic on Jan 21, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well, sure, if Scott can’t play first, he can’t play first. I’d be really surprised if that’s the case though.
that he cant play first?
my money would be on the “cant play first” side, but i’m a little biased. he will get a chance tho.
by twistedlogic on Jan 21, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I completely and utterly disagree with the first part of your last statement
Felix Pie is currently a better player with more upside than Nolan Reimold
Completely and utterly wrong, and stats back me up.
Nolan: OPS+ 117
Felix: OPS+ 99 for last year, 77 for career
Nolan: OBP: .365
Felix: .326 for last year, .305 for acreer
There simply isn’t an offensive stat where Felix Pie out-performs Nolan Reimold with the exception of steals, I guess.
The three best outfielders should start. Experiment time is over. And the three best outfielders on the Orioles are Markakis in RF, Adam Jones in CF, and Nolan Reimold in LF.
Deal with it. :)
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY!
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
i'm pretty sure reimold had more steals too
reimold had around 10. pie…..no idea
by twistedlogic on Jan 22, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
2 I believe
but I might be waaaaay off. I just remember thinking he had a bunch and then looking at the stats and being all “ummm… wow.”
he's a gazelle.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I totally forgot about Nolan's gazelleness.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
gazelle, that's my new word of the day.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
limited major league sample?
I’m not really sure I disagree with you, but I think it’s puzzling not use the minor league numbers, which are close to a draw from my view (factoring in Pie’s age v. comp).
I think it’s entirely possible that Pie might have a higher ceiling, but Reimold a better bet to hit his, if that makes sense. Regardless, I think factoring in defense, the Orioles would be wise to give Pie 125 starts in LF in 2010. And that is not going to happen so we can acquire some shittastic first baseman.
Librarians are hiding something
Considering this man batted Izturis 2nd thirty times last year
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by this part:
Reimold could DH some vs. left-handed pitching
Why would you want put Pie in against lefties?
I don’t know why they just don’t move Reimold or Scott to first and let the other DH. Pie could be that good.
Librarians are hiding something
because that would put all our best players in the lineup
and that’s not the way that Trembley manages.
Scott can't play first
He’s not good. He lumbers about and we’d all be complaining about his defense a month in if he was there. I could see Reimold moved to first base, but then it raises issues when Brandon Synder is ready to come up. What happens if he destroys triple-A and is ready to go by the All-Star break?
Same goes for those saying they wish Reimold could play third. What happens when Bell comes up? The problem with a lot of these is that guys will end up blocking other guys. It’s like moving a logjam so as to create another logjam.
What needs to happen is that Wiggy and Scott are traded. This would ensure enough at-bats for both Pie and Reimold as I am a firm believer in both of them. In that situation, they switch off playing left and DH. It would also mean Atkins comes off the bench to play first, third, DH in a pinch and only if he’s hitting better.
But the most important point in all of this, is there’s no way to say who will be injured, who will hit, and who won’t.
As of right now, The 8 best position players on this team are (and these are not in a ranked order) Adam Jones, Nick Markakis, Brian Roberts, Matt Weiters, Cesar Izturis, Nolan Reimold, Felix Pie, and Luke Scott.
All of these guys are at least average MLB players, which is really kind of exciting. The first five are cemented starters at their positions, and no-one is arguing with their placement. The last 3 are all outfielders vying for 1 open outfield spot. Now, if we haven’t seen enough of Pie in the field to know that he is a good fielder, we certainly haven’t seem enough of Scott at 1B, who started 8 games at 1B and actually played well according to UZR. Reimold is young and can learn the position. There is an entire spring training for Reimold and Scott to potentially learn the easiest position to field in baseball. And if Snyder starts tearing it up while Scott is our starting first baseman? Just what exactly have we lost. Luke Scott is not going to forget how to play LF. Neither is Nolan Reimold for that matter. All we are really doing is increasing the versatility of our players. That’s not a bad thing.
thats kinda scary actually
nolan reimold and felix pie are in your top 8 and neither have played a full season or really show THAT much.
by twistedlogic on Jan 21, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
easy now i was attacking you
to answer your question tho: no i cannot. thats whats scary about it. neither have played a full season and their in our top 8!
by twistedlogic on Jan 21, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
no not really… hense the statement “we certainly haven’t seen enough of Scott”… I mostly just looked it up wondering where he got Scott can’t play 1st from
What happens if he destroys triple-A and is ready to go by the All-Star break?
Um, if Reimold is raking at 1B, nothing happens. if Reimold isn’t, promote Snyder and trade Reimold. Having too many good players at a position is never really a “problem”.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
reply fail
this was to Dr. Orpheus just above me.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Non-sequitur
SBN needs to get with the program. The mugshot for Pie has a cubs hat, and the mugshot for Reimold is non-existent.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I wish we had 4 starting OF slots.
I’d really like to see what both of these guys can do over a full season, but obviously that’s not going to happen. I’m pretty happy with Nolan starting in LF and Pie bouncing around. He’ll get a few starts a week I think. He can give AJ a break once in a while, he can give Reimold a break once in a while, he can start in LF against tough RHPs, and he can DH once in a while. If AJ has any kinds of injuries he’ll start in CF.
I’m not sure I see a point in announcing this now, but I can’t say I disagree with him. It is a shame they can’t both play every day though.
I dunno about all this Pie business
Obviously he is fast as hell and therefore will have a great range factor, but every time he missed the cut off man or threw to the wrong base, or took a bad angle or did some other stupid thing it made me want to rip my eyes out.
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Jan 21, 2010 10:21 PM EST reply actions
I wonder if Stacey is still awake...
After 12 votes there are 11 for Reimold and 1 for Pie…
Just because you know how to read, doesn't mean you'll like the book.
by arlingtonOsFan on Jan 22, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
haha
yea….i noticed. when i voted it was 6 to 1. wonder who voted for pie……
by twistedlogic on Jan 22, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
I voted for Pie!
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
UZR question
Does it take into account arm strength for outfielders? It seemed clear to me that Nolan has a much better throwing arm than Pie and there’s something to be said for having an OF with three awesome throwing arms.
The organization is doing all they can to phase Pie out of everything and anything
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
mmmmm...
freeee pie.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jan 22, 2010 6:02 AM EST up reply actions
dude i want free pie
any flavor really. except shoe-fly pie. i never could get into that.
by twistedlogic on Jan 22, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
no...more...pie
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
what about apple pan dowdy?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Is it not true?
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
I think MacPhail really likes Felix
I’m not so sure about Dave.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Agreed on all counts
But unfortunately, Dave makes the lineups, and he has shown his hand, multiple times.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
The organization is doing all they can to phase Pie out of everything and anything
Everything? Don’t you think that’s a bit extreme? He’s the first OF to play in case Jones, Markakis, or Reimold go down. He got plenty of playing time last year once injuries set in. You can’t argue that he should start over Markakis or Jones. And Reimold outperformed offensively last year. Defensively, Pie is much better but I don’t think the difference is enough to close the offensive gap.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
This was a good call for a number of reasons...
1. Pie can play center, Reimold and Scott can’t as far as we know. Pie can spell Jones and Reimold and will still pick up a decent amount of starts in outfield and at-bats (not just as a pinch hitter)
2. He can be a valuable late inning defensive replacement for Reimold if that’s what it is going to come down to.
3. (And this, I feel, is the most important!) Adam Jones has yet to complete a full major league season. He is definately going to require days off in May and June to keep him healthy until the end of the season. God forbid, if Jones goes down, Pie can replace him with solid D and (hopefully) an adequate bat.
Well, that, and....
he’s the fourth best outfielder on the team and we can only play 3 at a time.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Well...
the alternative would have provided the same results. meaning:
1. If Jones needed a day off, Pie could still slide over to CF and Nolan could still man LF, even if Pie was the starting LF’er and Nolan normally was DHing
2. You wouldn’t need a late inning defensive sub if Pie was starting
3. If Jones goes down, Pie could still slide over to CF, Nolan could stop DHing and go to LF, and Luke or Wiggs would take over DH.
Now with all that being said, I still like Nolan as the starting LFer, but none of that stuff really matters in picking him as such.
I got served...
but whatever DAVE. I posted that early in the morning, it all made so much sense then!
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