Miggy's Back!
The Orioles have reached an agreement with free agent Miguel Tejada on a one-year, $6 million deal, according to team sources, reuniting the club with the six-time All-Star who played in Baltimore from 2004 to 2007.
The deal is pending a physical, which is expected to take place over the next couple days.
I know many disagree with me, but I see this as a great move for the Orioles. Yes, Miggy's power is down. Yes, he's moving to a position he has consistently and vehemently fought against playing. Yes, he was a bit of a clubhouse cancer at the end of his first tenure in Baltimore.
But facts are facts. After a down 2008, a year in which he played under the aftermath of the Mitchell Report and in which it was discovered he was actually 2 years older than previously thought, Tejada fashioned a .313 BA in Houston in 2009, a 109 OPS+ and a .795 SLG. Oh yeah, and he was one hit shy of 200 for the season. He still hits into a ton of double plays. His OBP is less than 30 points higher than his BA. His strikeouts (48) more than double his walks (19).
But the man can still hit. And we don't need 2004 Miggy, hitting in the center of the lineup and mashing over the wall. We need a Miggy who can hit .300 and move runners by putting the ball in play, and not embarrass himself on the field. We don't need Miggy to be the best hitter on the team. Or the next best. Or even the third best.
We need Miggy (.313/.340 /.455 /.795/109 OPS+ in 2009) to be better than what our other options were. And those options were Ty Wigginton (.273/.314/.400/.714/87 OPS+), Joe Crede (.225/.289/.414/.703/83 OPS+) or Garrett Atkins (.226/.308/.342/.650/66 OPS+). I seriously doubt he will make enough errors to balance out the clear advantage he brings in offense.
It's a one year deal with incentives costing the O's about $6 million. For that, we get a player the fans loved (for a time, at least), a player who's been the AL MVP, a player who's been to six All-Star Games, and one who's new-found humility will let him move to 3rd base presumably without the drama he brought when the move was previously suggested. Make no mistake - Miggy needs the O's far more than the O's need Miggy. We had options, just not as good ones. Miggy was running clean out of places of employment for the price he wanted.
If he hits, we flip him at the ASG Break or soon after for another part. If he REALLY hits, and somehow, the O's are hanging around respectability or (God help us) the wild-card race, we keep him. He doesn't hit or he does whine? We've got options. The O's swallowed far more in salary cutting Jay Gibbons loose than what they would eat in Miggy's entire 2010 salary.
And consider this - with the signing of Miguel Tejada, we get back the player we traded to Houston to acquire our starting DH (Luke Scott), two of our relief pitchers for the last two years (Matt Albers and Dennis Sarfate), organizational depth at OF (Mike Costanzo) and a pitcher who may still have an upside (Troy Patton). And it wasn't like we weren't gonna finish last with him. If we actually resign Erik Bedard, the Orioles will still have most of the original 12 players in the two deals, and will have flipped one remaining player for two more, including our presumed 3B of the next half decade. And we'll have the original two pieces of trade bait back at cheaper prices when the Orioles will be making their run at contention.
Not bad, Andy MacPhail. Not bad at all.
(edit from duck - And no, the fact that I and SeanP are the only two (before today) who included Miggy in the lineup card game doesn't make me that much happier. OK, it does. But still... I CALLED IT!)
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I tried to Stacey it up some there.
I figured she’ll approve.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
The only downside I see
Is that now Garrett Atkins may now be our starting first baseman.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 23, 2010 4:26 PM EST reply actions
I'm not sure how this is a downside
The only way that hurts is if you think Aubrey or Wigginton’s bat is more useful than Tejada’s or Atkins. And if Atkins really proves to be that bad, i dont think Trembley would be that reluctant to make a change.
I think Aubrey AND Wiggington's bats are more useful than Atkins
I like the Tejada pickup, I just don’t get why we signed Atkins and don’t see how his bat could possibly play at first.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 23, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
And I'm glad
MacPhail didn’t let the $$$ given to Atkins be a deterrent in pursuing Miggy. If you can get better, do it.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Atkins was our failsafe
He was the option at 1B if Wiggy couldn’t get out of his way or Aubrey couldn’t hit.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
You might have this backwards
I think Atkins goes into Opening Day, or at the very least Spring Training, as the clear favorite at first base. However, I don’t think he has a particularly long leash if fails to produce.
I'm hoping....
Brandon Snyder makes this whole conversation a moot point this year.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
I'm OK with that
as long as it’s this year.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Agreed....
But what happens if Josh Bell is ready first and Atkins isn’t producing? Move Miggy to 1B in the short term?
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 23, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think, first, that this raises the bar on what Bell has to do at AAA to be deemed ready.
If he does manage to reach that bar, flipping Tejada to a contender shouldnt be that difficult. If Tejada isnt producing or makes trading him difficult, then he can ride the bench and hurt his chances at another contract next year
I’m not sure Miggy could play at first. The signing of Tejada essentially severs and relationship between the performance of Bell and Atkins. Atkins’ performance is now more closely linked to the options we were already considering at first (Wigginton, Aubrey, etc.) and to Brandon Snyder.
I think one thing andy loves about this
Is that Bell is allowed a whole extra year of development. No chance AM wanted to depend on Snyder or Bell this year. Just look at his track record of making a player earn his way up.
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by Reddrummer9187 on Jan 24, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Better than him being our 3B
and someone who hits worse than HE does at 1B. Seems to me, if Luke at 1B is a non-starter, we just improved in two positions.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
not a fan of this at all
I guess Tejada is a better signing than Crede, but I still dont like it.
Miggy is a decent stop gap, but I did not want to see him back. Ever since he asked for a trade, I stopped liking him. It was obvious that he was dogging it out there. He barely ran out close plays and seemed to stop caring. I did not like that attitude, and really don’t like seeing him on the team now that it is younger. I may be in the minority, but I did not want to see him back in Baltimore.
I'm not doubting his ability
I don’t dislike what he’ll bring to the team skill-wise, its his attitude I’m not happy with. I was pretty disgusted to watch him at the end of his last stint here. It really annoyed me that he should have been a team leader and instead gave up.
But great point kba26, the one year deal should give him incentive to play all the way through. I guess you could say I like the signing, but dislike the player. If he didn’t play for us before I’d probably be thrilled.
This is what I keep coming back to...
199 hits in 2009. We simply don’t have anyone available to us that hit that well in 2009. No one. Not even close.
Sure his OBP is practically the same as his BA these days, but this is a one year deal for the best player available at 3B. Was he the best player available 2 months ago? Probably not, but with Beltre going for below market value to BOS, MIggy, arguably, was the best offensive 3B available.
If he hits, he plays. If he whines, he’s gone. And he know it.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
also...
i believe he led the nl in doubles last year or the year before. he might not be a bad guy to slot in at the #2 slot in the lineup.
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by j.q. higgins on Jan 23, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
he racked up 199 hits in minute made park
one of the biggest offensive stat-enhancers in the game. if he was a true 200 hit threat he’d be much more highly coveted.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 23, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
2009 Park Factors for Hits
1) Coors Field 1.158
2) Kauffman Stadium 1.155
3) OPACY 1.112
4) Chase Field 1.092
5) Land Shark Stadium 1.075
6) Rangers Ballpark in Arlington 1.062
7) PNC Park 1.022
8) Mall of America Field 1.090
9) Minute Maid Park 1.036
10) Wrigley Field 1.022
by kba26 on Jan 23, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i guess i stand corrected
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by danielreese05 on Jan 23, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Theres a lot of reasons why Tejada may not reproduce his 2009 numbers
The move from Minute Maid Park to Camden Yards just probably isnt one of them
he racked up 199 hitsin minute maid parkon steriods, one of the biggest offensive stat-enhancers in the game.
fixed.
by twistedlogic on Jan 23, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Not last year
2004? Sure, on the juice. Last year? Doubtful.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Testing's a lot better now
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i guess i stand corrected
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by danielreese05 on Jan 23, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
double post, my bad
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by danielreese05 on Jan 24, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
this is a one year deal for the best player available at 3B*
*best offensive player
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
It's not 1970 anymore
We don’t need Brooks Robinson. We already have one glove we have to carry in the IF.
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by duck on Jan 24, 2010 2:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I completely agree.
Horrible move. I voted for the fifth choice above.
Predition: Bell never gets moved to the bigs this year because we can’t get jack for Tejada at the deadline, and Angelos doesn’t want to pay him $6M to ride the bench.
Ugh. I’m disgusted. I didn’t care about offense at third. I wanted LEATHER at third, and that is not what we’re gonna see with Tejada, especially in comparison to Crede.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Bell doesn't get moved to the bigs this year...
because he’s just not ready/that good/skips the bigs and is beamed up to a higher place by someone named Scotty.
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side note taken from this move + other offseason moves
if i have this correct in my mind, in just the 3 players we added we’ll have about $20 mil. come off the books for next offseason (atkins $4 mil, miggy $6 mil, millwood $9 mil). That + another $5 mil (give or take) is what it will take to sign AGonz, right? I love McPahil more and more. Who else is coming off the books?
Can one of the CC moderators create a spreadsheet tracking the O’s contract/salary status by player? thanx.
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No point reinventing the wheel…
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Atkins is $4.5 million
…the others coming off the books are Wiggy’s $3.5 million, Izturis at $2.6 million and Uehara’s $5 million. So the total coming off the books after 2010 will be $30.6 million.
Of course, Adrian Gonzalez isn’t a free agent until after 2011.
and we'll need a SS
i actually like having a ss that can play the position well. even if he can’t hit that well.
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florimon...
is the man to watch this year, though even if he progresses this year like he did last year, i can see the izzy being re-upped for one year.
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by j.q. higgins on Jan 23, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
peoples thoughts at the fanfest
People were yelling “Tejada s back!!”. A lot of people there seemed VERY excited.
I mostly heard people
saying “Hey, I can wear my Tejada jersey again.”. Didn’t hear all that much excitement.
the move isnt a bad one
i like having him back and all but it just doesn’t make sense. why did we even sign atkins in the first place?
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As a viewer, I love Miggy coming back
But as a fan, I’m wondering when we’ll start bringing in long-term replacements and not stop-gap after stop-gap.
"There's only one cure for what's wrong with all of us pitchers, and that's to take a year off. Then, after you've gone a year without throwing, quit altogether." -Jim Palmer
well we hopefully have replacements in the farm system
cant rush that.
by twistedlogic on Jan 23, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Their long-term replacements
are playing in Norfolk this year.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
What number will he wear?
And I want to inform everyone here that the picture at the top of the fanpost is incorrect. That is Bill Duck’s back, baby. Notice the white skin.
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Think if it as a visual pun, fix
And yeah, people confuse us all the time.
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by duck on Jan 23, 2010 7:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well, it can't be 10 because of the promotion
maybe 01? Or can they not do that because of Roberts?
Librarians are hiding something
AJ said he'd give up #10 for a Rolex.
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
is that right?
that’s awesome. i KNOW he doesn’t mean one of those special times square “rofex” watches, either.
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by j.q. higgins on Jan 24, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
as long as it’s not a box of Tejada’s special Vitamin B’s…
"...I got the most gentlemanly player in juniors my last year. I'm a gentleman, always a gentleman." - Matt Bradley, 1/20/10
Maybe Miggi could just be #10B
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by BPinOK on Jan 24, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ooooh good one
rec’d for humor and irony
by twistedlogic on Jan 24, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
What's not to like?
He is a relly good player, surely the best we were going to slot in there. Not our 3B of the future, sure, but that’s not the idea. Sure a lot of fans got down on him about the time he got down on being on the team, realizing he had signed to spend the heart of his career with a loser team. I say, come on back, forgive and forget, we’ll love you all over again.
Bring on Bedard!
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Really nothing bad about this at all
Completely agree. Tejada and Atkins are both fine deals. Everyone seems to forget that Atkins has had one bad season, if he’s no good again we don’t have to pay him again. There’s no way Snyder is ready until after the all-star break at least, my bet is next year. Bell is more likely to be ready earlier, and if Tejada hits well in the first half we can trade him. This is a no lose situation. Same reason why we should sign Bedard again for one year. If one of the prospects is ready we trade Bedard or Millwood if somebody will take them. The only people who don’t like this either want us to sign some mystery “big bat” that doesn’t exist out there right now or let Snyder and Bell start the year in the bigs when they clearly are not ready. I’d rather have vets out there who will be consistent behind the young pitching, get them some confidence.
So really...
the only people left to bring back are Ramon Hernandez and George Sherril! Then they’ll have reacquired all of the players traded by MacPhail.
Only kidding of course, we don’t want Ramon back.
Worse than Meh
The man has led his league in GDP 4 of the last 6 years. (baseball-reference.com). That’s way beyond “hits into a lot”. And he’s been playing in a pretty wretched division. Book 30 of those little rally-killers right now. Maybe more – infield defense is good-to-superb in: Tampa Bay, New York, Boston, and probably Toronto too. Current-production Miggy is like Wigginton at twice the price and more baggage.
Wiggy > Miggy?
In what alternate universe? Using what offensive measure? It’s not even close. What part of 199 hits didn’t you understand?
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by duck on Jan 23, 2010 9:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the part that involves playing in the NL and not facing the AL east pitching
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
He hit pretty well when he was here the first time
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by duck on Jan 24, 2010 2:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you mean
when he was still 33 36?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
He had the 2nd most hits in the NL last year
and our other choices were Garret Atkins or Ty Wigginton or Joe Crede.
Second most hits in the freakin’ league, dude. I know the AL is tougher than the NL, but second-most in the league? And we don’t even ned him to be our best hitter.
He is such a better offensive option at 3B that it is inarguable. You covet defense at the position. I covet a guy who’s gonna get about 190 hits while giving us the 7th legitimate AL bat in our lineup. We have two positions expected to below league-average now – 1B and SS. That’s it.
Tejada’s range was decreased at SS. You need less range at 3B. His defense will not cancel out the difference his bat will make.
199 hits. Sorry, but I can’t get past the fact we just signed a guy to play 3B who had 199 hits last year. 199.
Yeah, I’m gonna keep saying it.
One. Ninety. Nine.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
One last thing
Do not let the perfect be the enemy of the good in this case.
And I end with this – who did YOU want playing 3B this year?
And I swear, if you say Ty or Garrett, I will laugh. Out loud. At my monitor. Pretending you can hear me while I do it.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
i'd like a player i respect playing 3b
i have zero respect for miguel tejada.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
And I'd like a player batting .310
rather than .220
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
No but Miggy <> Wins either
He got those 199 hits against weak NL/NL Central pitching and he still hit into 29 DPs turned by some pretty mediocre NL Central infielders (Skip Schumaker, anybody?). Now he’ll be facing better pitching, and hitting those ground balls at Longoria, Bartlett, Zobrist, ARod, Cano, Jeter (ok some of those will get thru), Beltre, Scutaro, Pedroia, Hill and A-gon. 3b for Toronto’s the only weak spot. That’s better ‘D’ than he saw the last time around. I’m not even bringing up his learning a new position. Sorry Duck, but I think by July you won’t be real happy with this signing, and the net W’s nothing more than they’d get with Wiggy/ Mora/Atkins at 3rd. Maybe it sells a few more tickets in April and May and some folks come out/tune in and see the kids. That’s a plus. But this is an old/slow addition to a team that doesn’t need it.
Bad move
If you wanted a big bat, and had $6M to spend, how about getting Branyan?
Since this is done, we should get Bedard and then trade them both in July.
Cause Branyan is no better than luke
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by Reddrummer9187 on Jan 24, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
i like the move and you don't
sign branyan because he is only healthy about once every 3 yrs. miggy will have 27 double 20 hr’s and 98 rbi’s this yr
Woah woah woah
Don’t get your hopes up. He hasn’t hit 20 homers since 2006. I would say that 15 is a hopeful – but reasonable – estimate.
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He got a call form someone and then he just told my dad and I, it was pretty neat.
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 23, 2010 9:27 PM EST reply actions
Oh, by the way duck
we’re awesome. That being said, I want you to lose so that I win.
ahhh, but there are those of us who waited to enter just for this reason
play to win, baybee
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
I thought we got bonus points
for earliest entry…
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by duck on Jan 24, 2010 2:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nothing to dislike about this.
He’s a better hitter than any of the other options (not including the post-proving-himself-in-AAA Josh Bell, hopefully) and if Tejada is able to replicate his season from last year, no amount of Crede’s D makes up for the gap in offense. Crede really, really can’t hit. At all. Miggy can.
And if Miggy is hitting really well around July, he’d be a prime candidate to flip at the deadline. Nothing to dislike about this. All that chemistry-leadership-rah-rah bullshit is overrated high school stuff anyway. Winning breeds chemistry, not the other way around.
Not that I think this puts the Os into 2010 contention. Still not there. But I like it just fine, and c’mon, sports is really about the narrative we construct…and in terms of ‘constructing the narrative’ what is NOT to like about the return of the guy who once looked like he might take us back to glory in 05? The first half of 05, anyway.
"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008
Adam Jones is the tits.
by KenDixonFanClub on Jan 23, 2010 9:52 PM EST reply actions
Tejada is able to replicate his season from last year
Mark my words, this will NEVER happen.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Fine. Even if he does not replicate last year's season...
…he will still put up a better OPS+ than Joe Crede. I say this with confidence because Tejada’s yearly average is 20 points higher.
If not Tejada, who? Crede? Wiggy?
Counting on Wigginton to replicate his 2008 season? From Houston? Against all that weak NL pitching, not facing the AL East?
You don’t like the move, fine. But if the options were Crede, Wigginton, Tejada, or Atkins holding the seat until Bell is ready, and maybe being flipped for at the deadline, Tejada is clearly the best choice of that lot.
"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008
Adam Jones is the tits.
by KenDixonFanClub on Jan 23, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
no
I want defense at 3rd. i don’t really care about offense.
Bell is the future at 3rd offsenively. If he doesn’t pan out, we have to buy a REAL 3B for the future, not some aging veteran. therefore, it is crucial that Bell be up in the 2nd half of the year, so they can see if he is the future or not.
In the meantime, I want the new kidz n the mound to have stellar defense on the left side, which Miggy will not be providing. Tejada is the best choice offensively, no question. But that’s not what this team needs.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
The problem with this
How can you say for sure Bell will be ready in the second half of the year?
AAA isn’t a formality. Lots of top prospects need a full season at AAA and often more before they are ready for the big leagues. I think we’ve gotten somewhat spoiled by prospects flying through the system that we forget that isn’t the usual development path.
I agree with you on defense, which is why I wanted Feliz.
I can't say for sure he'll be ready.
I can say that if he’s not ready, and whomever we sign has to play for a full year, I’d still prefer defense.
Really, how many runs we score this year doesn’t matter, because we are theoretically “buying bats” next year. The most important thing this year is that we continue to develop young pitching. That means teaching the kids that it’s okay for them to induce ground balls instead of trying to strike everyone out. To pitch to contact, à la 3E1N.
But with Tejada in place, they’ll see that inducing ground balls (to right-handers, anyway) means base hits.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Well, on defense I agree...
…but, I also think he’s about as much defensively as we can hope for.
Like I said, I wanted Feliz, and I think we should have signed him for $5m instead of letting the Astros have him for $4.5m if we were willing to pay Tejada $6m. But I think Tejada is the next best option defensively, based on who we were considering, because as great as Crede’s defense is, he is not going to play 150 games. So it is Crede plus 60 games of Wiggy or Atkins at third, and that is worse than Tejada should be.
I’d have been willing to live with it if the six million for Tejada went to some international prospect or something that would help us long term. But I don’t think that Tejada at third is a worse defensive option than anything else we were considering.
just a thought
Could Tejada be a good defensive 3rd baseman? I think MAYBE he could be good defensively. His hands weren’t the problem… it was and is range. And 3rd basemen need less range. I think he can pick it.
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by Birdland in NC on Jan 24, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
In this division?
You better care about offense. We can afford to carry Izzy’s bat. That’s about it. As I said above – I think Miggy’s bat will more than make up for his glove.
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by duck on Jan 24, 2010 1:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
again....
not trying to win the division this year trying to develop some great young pitching.
if they lose because of run support, they won’t care.
if they lose because ground balls to miggy turn into doubles, that’s a problem.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Great young pitching can learn froim wins, too
And Miggy gives us a hell of a lot better chance at winning than the other options.
I don’t need another 2010 version of Mark Belanger. We already have on e on that side of the infield. We can’t just give away 3 spots in the lineup, which we do with Izturis, Atkins and a 1B to be named later. You can’t win in the AL with just 6 hitters and 3 auto-outs.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
we just disagree.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
There ain't no good guy, there ain't no bad guy
There’s only you and me and we just disagree.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Oh, no, at this point, it's personal. :)
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
I don't like it
The purposes of signing veterans on a developing young team, in order, are to:
1) Push the team over the top into contention,
2) Mentor the developing players, and/or
3) Fill a gap while the team develops.
Miggi clearly can’t do #1 this year, and he clearly does #3 just fine. But he is actively destructive for #2, unless we’re talking about mentoring in terms of birth certificate forgery, steroid masking agents, dogging out ground balls or GIDPs. Miggi doesn’t fit with where this team should be trying to go this year, not even a humbled Miggi who comes back to us on our terms instead of his. I’d love to be eating my words and I’ll root for him to hit, but I don’t think the contributions he can make will match the potential cost.
this.
all of this.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Hey duck
When you heard about the signing, did you run put your Tejada jersey on and take this picture so that you could use your clever play on words?
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
You know it
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
by duck on Jan 24, 2010 1:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What the hell, I'll give it a try: "Mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Nope, I was right: can’t be yelled.
Hey, who doesn’t like that 199? But I’m afraid the comparative offensive advantage of Mr. Miggles next year, at age 62, over the ex-bunting phenom (with playoff experience) will prove marginal; meanwhile, as the former kicks balls around at 3rd, people’ll start to wonder “Just what does Solid Veteran to Put Us Over the Top mean, anyway”? The top of what? If it’s from 88 to 92 wins, I’ll (joyously) eat my шапка. But if it’s from 72 to 76, who gives a warm кусок дерьма?
I know, I know, get out of the unquantifiable. But any way you slice it, I just can’t shake the Seen This Movie Before feeling. I liked the 1st half, but I think we’ve bought ourselves a ticket to a rerun of the 2nd, i.e. less bang, lotsa whimper.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
And if we’re really into re-signings, there’s a hard-throwin’ right-hander available. Look, if you like stats, this would move us ahead of the Yerkees in one statistical category, raising our Number of Times Signed Alcoholic Felon Right-handers from 2 to 3.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Erm
Are you talking about Sidney Ponson? Because if you are, I want to run and hide.
ding-ding-ding!
But wait, don’t you wanna beeat the Yerkees at something?
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
How this impacts Pie
I don’t like signing both Tejada and Atkins. One is fine. Two, not so much. By signing Tejada, Atkins now moves to first base, at least until he flames out. This now prevents either Scott or Reimold playing first, which in turn severely limits Pie’s ABs, unless somebody gets hurt. So now the team is electing to pass judgment on Pie as a 4th OF, as riding the pine will be awful for his development. And for what? A better shot at winning 81 games in 2010? This move is Flanagan-esque, as has this off-season. Color me unimpressed.
And I’d be surprised if Tejada has an OPS+ materially over 100. And I don’t think Atkins will even come close. Good thing Pie is on the bench for that…
Librarians are hiding something
Pie IS the 4th OF on this team
Like it or not, we have 3 other OFers who are better. And that’s an OK place to be. Won’t be the first time in MLB history a team has had to deal with this situation. We’re just not used to it. ;)
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
by duck on Jan 24, 2010 2:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
obviously I don't like it
Especially when Garret Atkins is the starting first baseman. I mean, I know that guy sucks, nobody knows definitively if Pie does.
Librarians are hiding something
With Luke off the table at 1B
I fail to see how Pie is affected by this signing.
Having Atkins at 1B and Miggy at 3B means we improve two positions.
Miggy > Atkins
Atkins > Options at 1B if Atkins plays 3B
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
by duck on Jan 24, 2010 8:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
this
although, as someone pointed out to me, it IS possible that luke scott can play 1b.
by twistedlogic on Jan 24, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently, Diamond Dave doesn't think so
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
lets face it
reimold and scott werent getting any time at first anyways. i still maintain that scott will get a chance, from time to time, at first, but neither was going to get any significant time.
by twistedlogic on Jan 24, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
He's defintley an upgrade from the idea of the corner infield of Wiggs and Atkins
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 24, 2010 10:15 AM EST reply actions
Wait, didn't they write a math book...
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Let's go with Miggy & Wiggy
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Miggi
Miggi!

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I stand corrected
Actually, I’m sitting at the moment, but still, point taken.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Everyone says Miggy
Even most media people.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Just to go on record
I like the move. If Bell gets “blocked” and spends a full year at AAA, what can it hurt? If he’s mashing, it might be a bit of a problem, but that sure is a problem i’d like to have. The only way I don’t like this is if Dave says “Tejada?! He was an MVP. He bats 4th’”.
if hes mashing then wiggs or atkins or scott or somebody will be dealt
it may not be tejada, but if hes mashing, they wont let him just sit there
by twistedlogic on Jan 24, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
right, he's "blocked" by Tejada being at thrid
but Tejada will not stop Bell from getting to the majors if he deserves to be there.
That's basically what I was getting at
they might have to figure out who to move to get him up, but in any case we’ll be better for it, as they’ll either move the weakest piece or the piece that would bring back the greatest return. I can’t see this being a bad thing unless you honestly wanted Crede more. I like defense a whole lot, but personally I think Tejada’s offense is more valuable and I don’t think he’ll be a butcher at 3rd either. He’s always had good hands and a decent arm. Range isn’t so much of a factor at 3rd. As for Bell, I don’t really think he can be affected negatively by this. Maybe he gets a bit more seasoning at AAA, but why is that a bad thing?
I go back and forth
between liking this move on a sentimental level (remembering when he was basically the best thing on the team), and being totally ambivalent with sprinkles of disgust about it on a practical level. It just doesn’t fit into the “rebuilding” thing, and so I am relieved it’s just a 1-year deal. I’ll know how to really feel about it once he shows if he can still hit in the AL east.
And by "doesn't fit"
I meant that I thought we already signed Atkins to do what Miggi’s role would be in The Plan. Perhaps we’ll see Miggi more as a DH.
Miggy's better than Atkins
AM saw a chance to upgrade, it cost $6M for one year, and he did it. Again, frees Atkins up to move to 1B, and gives up a better 3B. Spares us from seeing Ty at 1B or 3B or forcing Aubrey to learn on the job.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
gives up = gives us
I swear, I’m gonna learn to type one day…
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

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