Sunday Open Thread
by duck on Jan 24, 2010 10:34 AM EST
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PrintSince Stacey is sleeping off the exhaustion of FanFest, and I overslept for church, and z's not even on civilization time out in the Land of Ah-nuld, well, no clips today. Here's your Open Thread.
Edit by Stacey: Actually I was rounding up some news clips as duck posted this, so here you go. O's news was dominated by two things yesterday: Miguel Tejada and Fan Fest.
On Miggi:
- Video of Brian Roberts and Jeremy Guthrie being thrilled about Miggi's return and quotes by other players.
- Baltimore Sports and Life comments on the signing.
- Schmuck thinks the Tejada signing is a smart gamble.
- Camden Crazies isn't crazy (see what I did there) about Tejada.
- Nick Markakis is happy about the signing and also very diplomatic about his other teammates.
- Anthony from Oriole Post gives his observations on FanFest and includes a lot of great pictures. How did I miss Felix pitching to little kids?
- Steve Melewski collected some quotes by various players throughout the day.
- Daniel at Camden Crazies provides thoughts on the event.
- Over 10,000 people attended FanFest. Orioles.com gives the rundown of the events.
Manager Jimmy Dolan: [Kelly has just walked off the field in the middle of a game and Jimmy wants to fine him] Kelly's not indispensable!
Monk Lanigan: I know, but the Open Thread can't get along without him.
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LAZY!
:)
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 24, 2010 10:52 AM EST reply actions
It's a Sunday in January
It’s not like the fate of the Republic lies in the balance…
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
the republic lives on a knife's edge
when we’re finished with you, you’ll no longer be david webb
by twistedlogic on Jan 24, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Nicely played....
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Give him the year at AAA if needed
MIggy means we’re in no rush to bring him up, but Miggy’s not gonna block him, either.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
"in no rush"
does that imply that if we hadn’t signed a third baseman that we would rush Josh Bell? Because I don’t think that that’s true. I’m guessing that the Orioles believe he’ll most likely need to be in AAA until at least August 1 to prove himself and solve his large right handed problem one way or t’other.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
What I'm saying is
when Atkins is batting .212 on June 1st, he’ll be playing 1B (or on the bench) , and not our only viable option at 3B, and we won’t be looking at Norfolk for a savior. And yeah, I think if we had stuck with the options we had on Friday at 3B, there might have been a temptation to bring up Bell sooner than needed.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
So
Snyder is still on the rush-express, you think?
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
nah
not with atkins and wiggy. and possibly scott.
by twistedlogic on Jan 24, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
yes, but if bell is raking at the deadline and miggy is sucking, guess what?
bell is blocked. because the O’s won’t eat $6M that way.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
why do you say this?
adam eaton? jay gibbons?
…or conversely, ZAUN?
o’s under macphail have shown that they will do what’s necessary to clear out deadweight.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jan 25, 2010 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
you're talking about three players nobody gave a damn about
for some bizarre reason, lots of fans seem to give a damn about miggy.
and the guys above were dropped because they sucked beyond belief (eaton), sucked beyond belief and were controversial (zaun), or as a favor to them (zaun). none of them was dropped to make way for a rookie. zaun had already agreed to a backup role when he signed with the club.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
i dunno, man...
it’s just as easy for me to say w/ great certainty that the o’s will act reasonably if bell is raking at the break and tejada stinks as it is for you to say they won’t. we don’t know, at this point, what kind of conversations they did or not have w/ tejada prior to signing.
and you think zaun sucked beyond belief and was controversial?
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jan 25, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
typo
should have said gibbons there.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
that makes a lot more sense...
i know at some point you kneeled before ZAUN!
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jan 25, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
he is
overrated mediocre def below avg bat is all he will be in the bigs platoon type player
by chuckthefan on Jan 24, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
i’m thinkin we’ll be looking for another thirdbaseman in two years…
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by doubledown73 on Jan 24, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Is that based on anything?????????????????/
I tried to include enough punctuation marks to make up for the absence in your post.
that's what i was thinking
let him play AAA for this season. miggy’s a temporary solution at 3rd, if he gets hurt near the end of the season, maybe we call him up. i think he and wiggy are gone by the end of next year so we can move up bell and brandon snyder.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 24, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
This year will let us know a lot about him
If he can perform at AAA that will tell us a lot. I think in the end he’ll be a solid regular, but hes not as close as the hopeful’s here believe. Same with Snyder. I say one of the two becomes a solid regular and one does nothing, and neither does anything that useful for 3 years.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Jan 24, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Stacey’s help notwithstanding, the fate of the republic is STILL not hanging in the balance…so maybe it’s MOVIE TIME AGAIN!!!
Shoot ’em Up (2007). Just watched this on video. Whaaa??? Rog the E. gave it…3 1/2 stars on his 4-scale! The Times’ A.O. Scott was less effusive in his praise, unless I’m misinterpreting the phrase “contemptible piece of rotting garbage.” I like Clive Owen and love Monica Belucci, and I found this tongue-deeply-in-cheek study of the choreography of flying lead stupidly riveting, as everybody in it, including the always engaging Paul Giamatti (yeah-yeah, son of), played it straight. If there’s a version of the Jackie Chan oeuvre that subs bullets for fists, this must be it. What a ride!
Flame and Citron (2008). Wow, this month’s euro-obscuro discovery packs a real wallop! The eponymously nicknamed heroes are two Danes in a WWII resistance group in Copenhagen, fighting both the Nazis and intriguers on their own side— and with almost as many bullets as Clive Owen! But this is, in fact, a reality-based drama, and quite a sobering one at that. One of its messages, after all, is that being in the resistance doesn’t necessarily make you a good guy. The two leads, Thure Lindhardt and Mads Mikkelsen (Le Chiffre from the ’06 Casino Royale) took multiple noms and awards for this, and for good reason. Stylized, violent and not always easy to take, this is outstanding filmmaking. Rent it, people.
Up in the Air (2009). Whaaa again, but for different reasons. Critical response has been almost universally laudatory, including Oscar mentions in several categories. I kept waiting for this movie to, well, take off. It’s impossible not to like Clooney, of course, but this not-comedy is also decidedly a not-drama (su-u-u-re he’s gonna talk the groom back into the wedding; oh yeah, his canned and utterly unremarkable “inspirational” back-pack speech should be getting progressively more popular; and so on). In short, a not-very-cautionary version of a cautionary tale, with one good ‘n’ astute social observation — in America they hire people to fire people…and make an innovative industry of it – has only Clooney’s appealing ambiance to carry it. And not too far, y’axe me.
.OK, heave them tomaters. And tell me ‘bout what you’ve been seeing over there in Americer.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
So, I guess nobody’s seen this Avatar thing after all. Funny, it’s selling a lot of tickets here…
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
ha...
up in the air? don’t get it. granted, having been laid off last year, it was a touch difficult to identify w/ clooney’s character, but it didn’t REALLY go anywhere and none of the performances were REALLY all that noteworthy. even worse, the “twists” were so predictable they’d make m. night shyamalan blush.
am i wrong?
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jan 24, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed 100%
I called the major “twist” halfway through the movie… I mean, come on. Plus the girl in the movie reminds me of way too many people I went to school with and who beat me out for jobs. I do not understand the type behind this movie.
yeah...
i’m not even totally against predictable twists, but fer crissakes, it’s all in the execution.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jan 24, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Just saw Avatar in 3D
I gotta say, all the $$$ spent on that money definitely ended up on the screen.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
spent on that movie
My typing = teh suck
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
scientist doctor guy = frined of mine from grad school
very happy for him.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Too bad he didn't get a back-end point....
he could retire.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
no kidding.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Not to mention, he said with a resouding name-dropping thud, my college classmate Sigourney Weaver. Who I actually do remember seeing around school (she was big buds with another guy taking Russian). Oh, and she was quite striking…
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
dude, you're older than i thought.
but that’s an impressive name to drop.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
10,000 at fan fest?
pretty decent turnout. hopefully we can get some more fans out to see the actual games this year.
quick question, what’s the final fate of nick markakis’s beard going to be? can he keep it or will the club make him shave it?
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NO
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
it's not a p***y broom, it's a p***y streetsweeper
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
hmm okay
thats a little further than i was planning to take that
by twistedlogic on Jan 25, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
That's why z's here
He’s not afraid to.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
He did show admirable restraint by not spelling out pussy
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
i felt that, as a mod, i had to set an example
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
After everything i said yesterday, I am now against the Tejada signing.
I can’t stand to be on the same side as Peter Schmuck on any issue.
Just ignore Schmuck
We’re still right, even if he agrees.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Now batting, No. 18, Adam Jones
Adam Jones just tweeted: “Getting ready to don the 18”
Is this his new number?
Hope he gets 10 back next season.
What looks large from a distance, close up ain't never that big.
21: nick markakis, 18: adam jones
2118 has a new meaning!
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by danielreese05 on Jan 24, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Really glad I hadn't spent the $$$ on a Jones jersey yet.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
(sighs, thinking about the AJ jersey he bought last year)
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
AJ's gonna keep his number I'd imagine
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
No
I’m sure he’s talking about his Manning jersey
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
besides
Felix wears 18. It would be kinda rude of him to just take it.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
It would be less than adorable
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Straight from @THE_ADAM_JONES
18 is Manning. I’m keeping my number. As far as I know.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Good
Well except for the fact he’s a Colts fan.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 24, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
He's not from MD
I give him a pass. This time 3 years ago, he was living in Seattle. And he had enough sense to know it’s a sensitive topic here in MD, and has done well to avoid pissing off fans. He’s a smart kid PR-wise, I tell ya.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Isn't he from the west coast?
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 24, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Uh, yeah, yeah he is...
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
So wouldn't he be a fan of a west coast team?
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 24, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
they sure are
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
san diego to be exact
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by danielreese05 on Jan 24, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Uni crisis!
Miggy’s taking Doc’s no. and Doc’s taking Mr. Adorable’s no., so what will Felix wear?
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 24, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I vote .200 for Pie's. To accurately reflect his BA.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
haha...ive just always like the 00
i always wore either 8 (duh) or 12 in sports, but it was always cool to see somebody wearing 00. obviously 0 gets a bad rap now that gilbert arenas has tarnished it.
by twistedlogic on Jan 24, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
You were an Ovechkin fan that long ago?
/ducks hurled objects….
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
yep!! i can see the future
/saves hurling objects for when you least expect it.
actually…i wore 8 in baseball and 12 in hockey (for peter bondra)
by twistedlogic on Jan 24, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I was a 13 fan myself.
I liked Marino and 13 had never been worn when I was a freshman in high school
Russell Westbrook is sporting the 0 for the Thunder. I’m not a big NBA fan but they’ve been fun to follow here locally.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Or, as Bill Simmons calls them, the Zombie Sonics
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Bill Simmons hates Oklahoma
He’s not alone but the whole act is getting old.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I forgot who
But some one on SportsCenter calls them the artist formerly known as Seatlle.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 24, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Seattle
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 24, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Seattle totally got robbed. I feel so bad for them that I hope the Thunder win a championship in the next three years and Durant wins a scoring title. And then, I hope that stupid space needle falls over.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I like the fact
you totally own it. No hypocrisy, just “Yeah, we took ‘em, and I’m gonna root for them.” Kind of refreshing, actually. I felt bad for Cleveland for about, oh, 0.3 seconds when we got the Ravens.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
All the Starbucks
guy had to do was build an arena. I know the SEA taxpayers had already built a baseball and football stadium and wouldn’t build a new arena. That’s not my fault. So they’re all pissed off at some dumb ass Okie bought the team and “tried” to get a new arena built before moving it to a city that was ready to have a major league team. OKC is 8th in the NBA in attendance % and one of only a handful (8-10) that have sold over 10K season tickets. It was a business decision for Clay Bennett and Schulz (?) had every opportunity to pony up the money from his $10/cup coffee franchise to build it. So, no. I don’t feel bad at all.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
i think tejada is going to change his number but who knows?
he could take a number 2 this year, you know?
"Whoooooooaaa Doggie!" -- Gary Thorne
This is very random
but does anyone know if twitter.com/RayRice27 is the real Ray Rice? It’s an unverified account.
"He's a gazelle." -Adam Jones on Nolan Reimold.
It's him
During the season he posted pics and stuff that only he’d have, plus he sometimes has conversations with Fabian Washington who I’d assume would tell him to shove off it wasn’t the real one.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
So at fan fest yesterday...
I’m not a huge autograph guy, so I didnt wait in line for anyone. My GF thought it’d be nice to buy me one though, so we bought a grab bag ball (the money went to Haiti). I ended up with Chris Waters. After that joy subsided, I decided to try again. I got Chris Waters again. If anyone would like a Chris Waters autographed MLB baseball fro $20, lemme know.
I did, however, bump into Matusz on the escalator, so that was pretty cool. Nice guy.
Matusz was cool
I got my picture with him, and Mike Bordick.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 24, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
For what?
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by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 24, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
No
Thats how much I paid for each grab bag ball. I wasn’t really expecting anyone to want one. It was more a of a joke.
Let me get this straight...
You paid $20 for a grab bag ball, it was Chris Waters, and you forked over ANOTHER $20?
Not your wisest investment choice.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
IT WAS FOR HAITI, JERK
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Thank you, Stacey
and beside that, I thought I couldn’t do ny worse. I didn’t think about that fact that I could do equally as bad, though.
maybe the entire bag was filled with Chris Waters baseballs.
He’s not an Oriole anymore so they need to get rid of them
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Nah
the woman next to me after I got the 1st one asked who I got. She said it couldn’t be worse than hers, which was Hayden Penn, so at the very least they stocked it with 2 shitty former Orioles.
Geez, someone has a twisted sense of humor who works for the O's
Hayden Penn? That’s just wrong. I’d rather get a blank baseball. Probably worth more that way.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
like...
the jokers on ebay selling les pauls signed by zakk wyylde or somesuch seeking a markup for that fact.
uh, dude…your guitar is worth more w/o that noise.
yeesh.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jan 24, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely
the O’s store in Camden sells MLB balls for $25, so $20 was acceptable. I would have rather had it blank so that I coulda had someone else sign it. In any event, they will find a good home amongst my bucket of gamer balls. At least I have a couple nice ones to use with my buddies when we play now.
I'd rather send the $20 straight to the Red Cross
then be insulted with a Chris Waters signed ball.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
agreed
and hayden penn? what kinda sick joke is this? at least put some more quality in there….like the occasional geronimo gil or jay gibbons or something
by twistedlogic on Jan 24, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
There was
It said there was at least 1 Wieters, as well as Cal, Brady, Nick, Brooks, and others I forget.
For the most part i'm over any animosity towards the Colts
However, “Congratulations Jim Irsay” made me feel a little sick.
Fuck Fox for having the American Idol winner sing the national anthem
You’re in New Orleans, you couldnt find anyone more appropriate?
He could be incredible (unlikely), and i would still find it annoying.
Fox needs to stop constantly using its sports programming as nothing but a chance to hype its other shows. I was equally upset about the cast of Glee singing the anthem for a world series game in Philly.
AI went down the tubes a few seasons ago.
I mean, it never was the greatest show, but it was at least entertaining. You know what’s really annoying—and I know this will seem trivial—is when during the games they commentators are always plugging other shows. “Watch this insert show here tonight.” Like anybody who doesn’t watch the show is actually going to care whether it’s on tonight. If you like said show, you know when it’s on or you watch it on hulu.
And thanks the lord almighty that I didn’t have to listen to the national anthem during that game. Glee is the most over-hyped show on TV.
It's the autoformatting
If you click the format guide link below the quote box it opens up all of the “shortcuts” that normally just mess people up.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
you don't do the things that autoformat
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I found this hilarious
It’s a “modified” Palmeiro bobbehead. The guy is asking almost $600 bucks for it, which tells me he just thought it’d be cool to show everyone and if someone was dumb enough to buy it, then thats a bonus.
At this point...
so does the entire state of Wisconsin, I bet.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
yea its good
but all the damned saints bandwagoners have come out
by twistedlogic on Jan 24, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
That is true
though my gf was born and raised outside New Orleans (which is why i’m going to Mardi Gras. She goes every year.). The poor girl broke down crying when Favre threw that pick and again when Hartley made the FG. I was sitting there thinking how i’m gonna be such a blubbering fool the day the O’s make the WS.
It's a feel good story
And I want to see them beat the Colts. Even though I think in the Manning vs. Brady debate Manning wins, I’d like to see the Saints win their first SB.
Agreed
I love watching Peyton. I don’t think there should be any debate about if Brady or Manning is better anymore, but I know in some people’s eyes it’s more about the rings than the player himself, so I really would like to see him get at least 1 more. I can’t go against the Saints though. Besides the fact that I really genuinely like them, my gf and her family would have my head. This is the matchup i’ve been hoping for since the beginning of the playoffs though, so either way i’m happy.
I was reading some article of Yahoo
About how CBS thinks Saints-Colts is the worst possible matchup for ratings. Around here I think most people were hoping for that matchup—at least at school.
if it were all about rings trent dilfer would be considered a better quarterback than dan marino
look at that and then think about how much the ring argument makes sense. i seriously can’t stand that crap.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 25, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
Nowadays rings don’t depend so much on the QB…on most teams, that is. After all, the Steelers have Roethlisberger, who, let’s face it, isn’t that great of a QB, but they won their Superbowls with defense. So it’s a bad measure. Manning is better QB than Brady. Brady had a more balanced team around him. For a significant chunk of his career, the Colts had a bad defense. I maintain that you can’t win a championship without at least a solid defense. So what was he supposed to do? A QB can only do so much.
i have to say...
i’ve come around on roethlisberger quite a bit, but it really doesn’t seem right that he has two rings or even that eli manning has one. i don’t even like the eagles and i feel like mcnabb should have at least one.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
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by j.q. higgins on Jan 25, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
McNabb is a solid QB
But the Eagles are getting old, and their fans are getting disgruntled (and Philly fans are just awful!) so I see McNabb out of a job next offseason (I think that’s when his contract is up). He’ll probably get signed somewhere else, but God forbid they start Vick. Actually, maybe not, I’m a Redskins fan.
I like him a lot, I think he’s got some real class. If he only he wasn’t on the Eagles, or I would have liked him to get a SB win a long time ago. Anyway, Eli Manning is not a very good QB. Not at all.
I'm not getting into this again
but if you think Eli isn’t at least one of the better QB’s in the league (at least better than half of the starters), then you haven’t been watching. I’m not big on QB stats because they can vary for so many different reasons, but even the stats are saying he’s an above average QB.
I get the pouty
the “whiney cry baby” not so much, but you’re a Skins fan, so I guess it makes sense. I dont sit here praising Derek Jeter to Yankees fans.
Well
the pouty and the whiney cry baby are one in the same. He pouts and cries like a baby when his receivers don’t make circus catches every time for him or his O-line doesn’t protect him. It’s not endearing.
great
glad you cleared that up. I mean, sure, he’s only generally regarded as the most even keeled qb in the NFL, but i’m sure he’s really always whining and being a crybaby. I’ll reconsider my fandom now.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha Where exactly is he regarded as the “most even keeled QB in the NFL”?? Are you sure you’re not confusing him with his brother????
Well, just a quick google brings:
lol
I figured you would report google searches, so let’s try a little experiment: google “Eli Manning even keeled” and “Eli Manning cry baby” and see which one gives you more hits. You can even use “even tempered” instead of even keeled and add those results to the “even keeled” results just to make it more interesting.
and again hahahahahahahahahaha
Wow, pretty convincing stuff
except that when you googd eli manning cry baby, you mostly get blogs and yahoo answers in the results, as opposed to well regarded news outlets. You are an intelligent guy and I side with you on alot of stuff, and when I dont I at least acknowlege that you make good cases, but is this really your argument? Saying 13 year olds on message boards are as valid as news outlet, siting a search result for eli maning pussy, and typing “hahahahaha” ad nauseum?
lol
as opposed to the google results for him being even keeled?
Come on dude! Look, I think he’s a pretty decent QB (nowhere near one of the best in the league of course), but he’s a cry baby pouter. There’s really no other way around that. I’ve never even heard of anybody (even a Giants fan) arguing with that.
And how come your 3 google articles are better than my google experiment? You want me to find specific articles that reference his crybabyhood? I can do that if you want.
Mine are "better"
because mine were from news outlets and yours were from blogs and yahoo answers. and again, I never asked “who has ever said he’s a crybbaby??”. You asked who’s ever said he was even keeled, and I provided an answer.
I didnt say that
I glanced at the results, and the 1st page was filled with message boards and blogs. Again, I dont really care. The only reason I cited it was to give you an answer to your question. I see that was a mistake.
well
most of them are actually facebook groups and websites DEVOTED to the fact that he’s a pouty crybaby. So yeah they’re not journalists – they are tons of people who all agree that he’s a pouty crybaby.
Really?
Are you using the fact that there are facebook groups devoted to him being a crybaby as an argument? Well, ok then. Here is a facebook group that proclaims Derek Jeter is “the best player of the history”, so I guess we’re all fucked on that point. He wins.
I dont care about the opinions of some kids on facebook. All I did was answer your question. Its an opinion, so believe what you want to. Like I said though, if you wanna find out what some Giants fans believe, by all means head over to BBV. See if it jives with your idea that even Giants fans think he’s a crybaby.
Yes!
I’m using the fact that LOTS of people share our opinion that he’s a crybaby to prove that lots of people think he’s a crybaby.
Crazy…I know…
But I never contested that
Lots of people do think that. Lots of people think Jeter is the best SS of all time. Lots of people think Bush did a bang up job. Lots of people think global warming is a government conspiracy. Lots of people think dinosaurs never existed. Those are all facts. I never doubted that. I dont know why you keep trying to prove that. You asked who has said he was even keeled, and I showed you examples. Obviously there will be opinions either way (as evidenced by this very argument). Neither proves anything except that people feel strongly both ways. The difference is you asked, I did not. I just dont get why you are trying to prove something to me that I already obviously knew to be true. Yes, some people think he is a cry baby. Congrats.
And we managed to bring Lou into it
We need to call it Montanez’s Law.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Have you followed this whole thing?
Because I dont even know if ive been able to. It’s kinda all over the place.
and about not meeting a giants fan that has argued that point
well, I guess you have, havent you? If you’d like to get a bigger sample size, head over to Big Blue View and ask what they think. Or you can be content with your personal opinion and that of the 3 Giants fans you may know.
is this really your argument?
says the guy quoting three-year old news clippings.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Again
he asked who has said it. Those were the 1st “clippings” I clicked on. It proved that someone has said it, so I posted it. If you really need to see more current ones, i’ll look them up, but do you really think his demeanor has changed so much over 2 years that those writers would retract their opinions?
And yes, I find 2 year old news articles more valid than the opinions of someone on yahoo answers saying “Eli sucks GO COWBOYSS111”
I don't think his demeanor has changed at all.
I think he was a crybaby two years ago and he’s a crybaby today. The reason is that he pouts and whines whenever something bad happens (his fault or not). That’s why people join facebook groups calling him a pussy.
I didnt ask if you opinion has changed
why do you feel obligated to change the subject to fit with your opinion? He was saying the articles were invalid because they were 2 years old. I’m saying if they felt that way 2 years ago, is it really likely that they have completely changed the way they feel about him now? And I still dont care why people join facebook groups. People join facebook groups for all sorts of idiotic reasons. That doesn’t make them right, and it definitely doesn’t lend itself to their being intelligent.
I didn't change the subject.
Just injected my opinion on it. Why are you getting so defensive about it? Is he your buddy or something?
Why are the journalists’ opinions of him any more or less valid than the fans who watch him play?
I'm not defensive
maybe it seems that way because I have to defend my position to multiple people at the same time, but I’m just trying to get my point across without it being continuously twisted around. And I think the journalists opinions are a bit more valid because the people that write things like “Eli is a pussy” aren’t “the fans”, they are haters and usually Cowboys, Eagles, or Redskins fans. At least journalists are expected to try to be subjective. Fans, for the most part, are no where near that. As far as the part about “the fans who watch him play”, i’d imagine the pople who see him the most are Giants fans and journalists who cover him. I sure as hell dont watch every game of every team.
But they're not haters!
They are just football fans who see him throwing his hands up in the air every time he overthrows a receiver, pouting as he walks to the sidelines, and looking like he’s going to cry on the bench after throwing an interception.
Journalists being subjective…that’s a good one…
You know that isnt true
I mean, you dont believe in god, right? How many people are out there that “prove” you wrong?
Also
you’re acting like there arent fans who support what I’m saying as well. Eli has tons of fan sites and facebook pages too. But again, I never contested that people have opinions both ways.
Sure people like him
because he’s good and he won a SB. People like guys that are good and win championships. I’m not saying anything necessarily bad about him as a player, just that he’s a crybaby and a whiner. The two are not mutually exclusive.
he’s only generally regarded as the most even keeled qb in the NFL
bwhahahahahahahaha this is laughable.
and don’t even begin to cite those 2- and 3-year old articles you mentioned below.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
What has changed, exactly?
Over the past 2 years, what has changed? He led his team to the best record in the NFC the season before last, and then last season, while his team obviously did not perform well, still managed to put up above average numbers in every statistical catagory. I only cited those articles because he asked where anyone has said that and those were the 1st three articles that came up in a quick search. If you want to argue, you could attempt to not be a complete ass while doing so. It isn’t exactly difficult to type “bwahahahaha” after everything you type to make it look like i’m a moron, yet you and your buddy there keep doing so.
How so exactly?
You asked who has stated he’s even keeled, I provided an answer. Z said he ranked #15 out of 30, I provided ranks showing that he was above that in every catagory, and noted that there are more than 30 teams in the NFL. So what exactly is hilarious?
lol
dude – you produced 3 articles that mention him being even keeled in passing – I produced 12,000 google results that call him a crybaby. Obviously there’s a gigantic difference of opinion.
I cited 3 articles
and for the millionth time, it was to answer your question. You asked who has said it, I cited 3 of the many articles I am sure are on the internet. It was just to provide an answer. You dont like it, fine. I dont give a shit. Just get over it. All it was was and answer to your question.
If you want to argue, you could attempt to not be a complete ass while doing so. It isn’t exactly difficult to type "bwahahahaha" after everything you type to make it look like i’m a moron, yet you and your buddy there keep doing so.
I don’t want to argue, actually. I found your original statement absurd. ABSURD. That’s not exaggeration.
We could try to argue it, but it’s a subjective assertion, and can’t really be proven one way or the other….“He’s generally regarded as the most even keeled qb in the NFL”? That’s not something that either one of us can quantify. Plus, it has a huge qualifier in it (“generally regarded”), and anyone with the Google could find plenty of examples supporting either side.
I just find it to be an overwhelmingly, hilariously laughable statement: one that speaks volumes to me about the way Giants fans see their players vs. the way the rest of the country does (of course, this could be written about virtually any team with its home fans, but since the NYC media market is so huge, Giant homerism seems magnified. It’s kind of like how the LA media twisted themselves into pretzels last year to argue why Kobe should have been MVP over LeBron).
I don’t know why the hilarity it affords me bothers you so much, but it’s a little ridiculous for you to call me “a complete ass” for laughing when I find something funny.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
You say it's ABSURD
but you say yourself anyone can find examples of it supporting either side, leading me to believe it’s not all that absurd at all. You go on to say its laughable because its the way Giants fans see their players, but did you ever think that maybe it’s the way you, as a Redskins fan, see your rival teams’ players and fans? The only two people that took such huge exception with what I had to say were both Redskins fans.
And for what it’s worth, I dont think you are an ass, I just find it assinine to openly laugh at someone’s opinion and make a mockery of it. I think it’s low and disrespectful, and I called you out on that. I think you’re a good guy, and I think you’re a pretty bright guy too. I just think its disrespectful and somewhat childish to retort with something like that, and I said something about it.
You didn't say it as YOUR opinion
You said it as a generally accepted fact. That was the part that was funny. If you had said “I think Eli’s one of the most even keeled QBs in the league.” it still would have been ridiculous, but not as ridiculous as saying it as if it was some generally accepted view.
Well, I guess we see things differently
Maybe its a product of living in his home market. Maybe it’s a product of you living in a rival market. In the end it doesnt really matter.
what O'sfan21 said
I just find it assinine to openly laugh at someone’s opinion and make a mockery of it.
If you had said, “I think he’s the most even-keeled qb in football”, I would have had a much more respectful reaction, because to burst out laughing at that would have been rude to you.
but that’s not what you said. what you said was,
he’s only generally regarded as the most even keeled qb in the NFL
It’s not just a gross generalization; nor is it just (in my opinion) inaccurate; it’s also really arrogant because of the “only” in there.
“He’s only generally regarded….” is an in-your-face way of stating something. You can’t ratchet up that much rhetoric and not expect someone to respond to it.
Try a different situation:
If I say, “I think LA is the best place to live in this country”, you’re gonna disagree with me and lay out your points why. But if I say, “LA is only generally regarded as the best place to live in this country”, don’t you find yourself suppressing a smirk as you prepare your response?
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
no they don't.
they say he’s about #15 out of 30.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
really?
2009 ranks:
qb rating: 11th
%: 13th
yds: 10th
yds per attempt:9th
TDs: 8th
INTs: 11th
yds/game: 11th
that doesnt look like 15 out of 30 to me. It looks above average. But continue hating him regardless.
Oh, and btw
there are 32 teams in the NFL, meaning 32 starting QBs, so even 15th would be above average.
i don't hate him
i sure am relieved he’s not playing for my team and that we didn’t grossly overpay him.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Oh yea
I much rather have Campbell playing for my team than Manning. Good call. Way to ignore the fact that you were flat out wrong above btw.
hopefully
that changes this year. i am def a member of the let campbell go lobby. i am also glad eli isnt the skins qb (especially considering the kinda money danny would throw at him). nothing to do with whether or not hes a crybaby or whatever. hes oodles better than jason campbell, but hes being way overpaid to be just above average.
by twistedlogic on Jan 26, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Eh
how can you even make a judgment of how good Campbell is or isn’t? He’s never played with even an average offensive line, he’s never played with good receivers, and he’s never played in a consistent offensive system that makes sense for the tools the team has. And despite all that he’s still managed to be a league average QB. Give him some protection, a little bit of a running game to pass off of, and another decent receiver to go with these young guys and I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a top 10 QB.
I’d prefer they don’t waste trade chips or draft picks on a QB and instead focus on the line and another receiver.
new regimes generally like new qbs
i agree that the skins have so many issues, its hard to say whether or not campbell is a decent qb, but i just dont think hes got the ability to consistently run the offense at a high level. makes too many poor decisions, doesnt really play well in the “pocket” (in quotations because its hard to call what their OL produces a pocket), and has never learned to protect the football.
by twistedlogic on Jan 26, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I mean I agree with most of those assessments, but I think a lot of them can be attributed to being in such a rush to get rid of the damn ball or make something happen because he’s about to get killed and because he’s never gotten a chance to get comfortable in a system. I just think when you have so many holes to fill, why focus on the position that’s played decently amid a ton of challenges that you are hopefully going to eliminate?
because hes an RFA this year
hes going to want a long term deal and plenty of $$$. if you’re going to cough up the kinda money that he’ll command, he had better be the guy you want under center for the next 5 or so years.
by twistedlogic on Jan 26, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
forgot about the RFA part
several teams (bills, browns, rams, seahawks, etc) need qbs. the draft is interesting this year since both bradford and clausen have injury concerns. if any of those teams think that bradford and clausen are too risky, they’ll be willing to pay more for a guy like campbell which could raise his asking price even more.
by twistedlogic on Jan 26, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
He's not going to command serious money.
And who cares about the next five years? It’s not a baseball contract – if he gets worse next year you just cut him.
i think he'll command quite a bit
and you still incur cap penalties for releasing players. not really something the skins can afford with their cap management.
by twistedlogic on Jan 26, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
but
can they afford to add QB to the list of holes they need to fill?? If they waste a draft pick on a QB then they just have to go elsewhere for lineman, a receiver, and probably a DB – all of those are either going to require other draft picks, trades, or FA signings which will hurt the cap space as well.
no they cant
but its an unfortunate truth.
by twistedlogic on Jan 26, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
because they actually need a qb
the offensive line wont be much improved (even with a top 5 rookie OL) so you better have somebody who can hold on to the damn ball when he gets hit.
by twistedlogic on Jan 26, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Joe Flacco's done pretty well
with exactly one NFL-quality receiver to throw to.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Ravens didn't have much of a line in 2008
yet they made it to the AFC Champ game.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong. It doesn’t mean I’m ignoring you. I’m not sitting in front of this screen all day. My quick response above was in reply to your saying I somehow “hate” Manning, which was a ridiculous accusation on your part, and therefore most important to me to rebut. So just to be clear:
- I was wrong, about the number of teams in the NFL. Big whoop. There were 30 for a very long time, IIRC. Nonetheless, I repeat that I was wrong.
- I was also wrong about Eli’s standing. I ran the numbers on this some other time in the last year and he was closer to the middle of the pack. The fact that he’s around 11th in stats supports your argument that he’s better than average. It also supports the idea that he is grossly overpayed. And to some (myself included), it supports the idea that he is “average” (in the prosaic sense, not the statistical sense) in that anyone who isn’t breaking the top ten is not particularly special.
- I would TRULY much rather have Campbell playing for me than Manning and I hope to see him at the helm of the ‘Skins for a while. Manning has had the same talented team, offensive system, and coach around him for several years now, and yet he doesn’t perform consistently: I think he’s pretty much maxed his potential. Conversely, Campbell has never the same coach or offensive scheme for more than two years, has never played behind a decent O-line, and has never had more than one decent receiver to throw to. Despite this, and the fact that he has started two fewer years in the league than Manning, he has put up comparable numbers to Manning every year. I think he hasn’t even touched his potential.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
1. ignore
2. ignore
3. NO. can the skins PLEASE get a real qb. campbell wasnt a good pocket passer even when the skins were creating a pocket for him. plus he’ll never learn how to tuck the ball when hes getting hit.
by twistedlogic on Jan 26, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
why not revisit this question one year from now?
when he’s had a real head coach who builds to his strengths?
if he sucks this year, cut him loose in 2011. if he excels this year (as i suspect he will), no harm no foul.
nobosdy coming out of college is going to play better this year than campbell, and i don’t think there are a bunch of veterans drifting around who’d be an improvement either. please don’t tell me you’re in the chad pennington camp.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
cuz hes an RFA this year
if hes smart, he wont sign a 1 year deal when there is a new coach coming in. plus i’m fully expecting shanny to get fired shortly anyways. its just the danny way.
and no, i’m not part of the chad pennington lobby.
by twistedlogic on Jan 26, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Why are you so worried about his protecting the ball?
He only had 3 more fumbles than Drew Brees, only two more than Donovan McNabb and Aaron Rodgers, and the same amount as Eli Manning and Kurt Warner. Given that he was sacked more than any of them except for Rodgers (8 times more than McNabb, 13 times more than Eli, 19 times more than Warner, and 23 times more than Brees), it seems like he’s pretty decent at holding onto the ball to me.
see above dude
its a widely accepted fact that jason campbell just isnt good :-)
by twistedlogic on Jan 26, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
rofl
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Nobody else thought the officials just gave the Saints that game?
I thought that PI was clearly uncatchable and that “completion” was clearly not secured when it hit the ground.
I thought
the PI was close enough to call and that there wasn’t definitive evidence that the catch was actually incomplete, so they couldn’t overturn it. I think either of those calls could have gone either way though.
The PI I could sort of go either way on, but I thought that “catch” was OBVIOUSLY not a catch. He was juggling it the whole time and then you could clearly see it move down his leg when he hit the ground. I was watching with 6 people and we were all positive it would be overturned. I honestly don’t see how they didn’t overturn it unless they weren’t seeing the same camera angles everybody else was.
As a Ravens fan, all I can say is...
At least it ain’t just us.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
that pass interference on lieber there at the end was crap
but hey, if i were an official in NO, i’d be afraid to not hand the saints the game too
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