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The Toy Department: O's big challenge: Keep Tejada from sulking
It's been discussed here and Kevin Cowherd wonders the same: Will Miggi be a big baby? -Stacey

Stopping short: Tejada set to transition to third - baltimoresun.com
In agreeing to terms on a one-year, $6 million deal Saturday to return to Baltimore, the immensely proud Tejada finally gave in to the idea Orioles president of baseball operations Andy MacPhail presented him with more than two years earlier. -duck

Atkins, Tejada ready to help O's fly | MLB.com: News
"It's a new look at the corners, a pair of signings that the Orioles believe will make a huge impact. " Um, ok. -Stacey

Guthrie: Addition of Millwood won't change his approach - baltimoresun.com
"He can't get my outs for me." Very profound, Guts. -Stacey

2009 pay cut not root of Guts's woes - MASNsports.com
HIs 2009 pay cut didn't cause Guts to pitch badly, he says.  "I never expressed that thought. It did not effect my performance in the least bit. I'm being paid to play a game I enjoy playing and last year's struggles were a function of not pitching well and not so much what I was paid to play baseball." -duck

The Winter Of The Orioles | FanGraphs Baseball
FanGraphs doesn't really get the Orioles offseason moves. -Stacey

Z on TV: Sportscaster Anita Marks leaving 105.7 'The Fan'
Anita is out! And Scott Garceau rejoiced. -Stacey

AND BECAUSE WE KNOW FANTASY BASEBALL RULES THE WORLD...

Miguel Tejada joins Baltimore Orioles lineup laden with fantasy sleepers - ESPN
Eric Karabell thinks Miggi's a fantasy baseball sleeper. - duck

Tejada's fantasy value increases slightly in Baltimore - Fantasy Windup: - USATODAY.com
So does the USA Today. - duck

Joel Pineiro, Miguel Tejada likely to see drop in fantasy value with new teams - ESPN
Tristan H. Cockcroft does not, however. -duck

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johnny oates

for no reason, except that i feel he was a sort of underappreciated manager, i’ve started a johnny oates fan page on facebook. if anyone has memories of the johnny oates era o’s or pics, please share ’em.

also (and i’m looking at you brotz) jpgs pf johnny oates player or manager cards would be sweet. i have one of his rookie card, which also happens to be don baylor’s rookie card.

sons of johnny oates

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Jan 26, 2010 7:26 AM EST reply actions  

I think I've got a Johnny Oates baseball card...

I’ll have to dig it out….

"Real Orioles don't pout. Real Orioles don't gloat. Real Orioles just win."

by NewYorkOriole on Jan 26, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Is that so?

Awesome idea. I feel like Baltimore fans didn’t know what they had with Johnny til he was gone. Feel free to use this scan.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Jan 26, 2010 8:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Dear MASNSports.com,

“Effect” is a noun, “affect” is a verb. Very mild shame on duck for perpetuating the error. Sorry, it’s just like nails on a blackboard for me, I know that grammar fascism is frowned upon.

by punkrawka on Jan 26, 2010 7:36 AM EST reply actions  

There vs their vs they're

Even more commonly abused than your/you’re.

by punkrawka on Jan 26, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

better yet

my wife’s students write papers in “text”. one student failed for writing wtf. I didn’s see the problem beings it was a stupid assignment. Much like Miggy running to first on a routine grounder – had to keep it somewhat on topic.

by Philly O's on Jan 26, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Try facebook speak.

OMFG that’s like soooooo coooooool. I wiish you were thereee girlyyy.

Yeah.

by DCO'sfan on Jan 26, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

except...

when effect is being used as a transitive verb.

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Jan 26, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

but, ouch...

the use cite above is egregious.

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Jan 26, 2010 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I didn’t want to muddy the waters with that because it wasn’t involved in this case. Also, the rare use of “effect” as a verb is somewhat archaic at this point, mostly used by stuffy intellectuals trying to puff up their writing.

by punkrawka on Jan 26, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

That's what I get

for blindly copy and pasting.

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Jan 26, 2010 8:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

it all depends on what jeremy said

…and what the reporter heard. while correct pronunciation of the two is similar, it’s not identical.

if jeremy used a short “e” instead of a schwa, then the MASN reporter was doing his/her job. except it should have been written thusly:

“I never expressed that thought. It did not effect [sic] my performance in the least bit.”

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Jan 26, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

As long as we're jumping all over mistakes

thusly: dating from the 19th century, seemingly coined by educated writers to make fun of uneducated persons trying to sound genteel, with a false inference that thus is not an adverb.

by PhilR8 on Jan 26, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

zing!

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Jan 26, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

early running for zing of the day...

but by no means the ultimate zing.

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Jan 26, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

wow.

i sit corrected, and will banish it from my parlance. learn something new every day.

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Jan 26, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

I read the MLB.com article. I hope Spencer Fordin brought enough orange Kool-Aid for the rest of the class.

"The United States is the New York Yankees of countries...powerful and respected until the year 2000." - Homer J. Simpson

by Brotz13 on Jan 26, 2010 8:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

That's nothing

There’s a South American river/lake (forgot which one) called Titikaka

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 26, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Here, let me educate you:

Courtesy of a cartoon I watched when I was your age (fuck, that makes me sound old):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJxdL0pH9pw

Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008

by Eat More Esskay on Jan 26, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Dave Cameron

I’m usually not a big fan of Cameron’s writing (his tone more than his content), but his Fangraphs article on the O’s offseason is pretty close to my feelings.

I’m totally on board with the strategy of not blocking prospects by signing players from a mediocre free agent class to long-term deals. Good job on that one, Andy.

On the other hand, it would’ve been nice if even one of those stopgaps had some serious upside that would help the O’s in 2011 or beyond. The O’s have a nice base of young talent, but they are going to need a lot more to ever compete in the AL East, and Andy did absolutely nothing to add to that talent base for the long term.

The offseason’s not over yet, but if Andy is done, consider me a bit disappointed.

by dkdc on Jan 26, 2010 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

I agree with Cameron

but I’m not sure who we really could have gone out there and gotten as a long-term solution. Adrian Beltre? That’d be a risky investment, moreso in the face of Josh Bell’s potential rise. There weren’t any first basemen worth gaining, nor ace pitchers, third basemen, or shortstops. It was a weak free agent class except in the outfield. Now, yeah, we could have spent the money we spent on Garret Atkins and Mike Gonzalez on Aroldis Chapman…and I’m sorry we didn’t…but other than that (and it’s no guarantee we’d win his services anyway), I’m not entirely sure what the Orioles were supposed to do to help long-term.

Not that I like their short-term moves. The two previously mentioned things are still getting on my nerves whenever I think about them.

Also: Why is it that only Jeremy Guthrie seems to understand that just bringing in another pitcher doesn’t “slide him down” and “take the burden off of him”? Sheesh, some people’s sportswriting children…

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Jan 26, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed

It’s hard to find someone that a) won’t block prospects and b) has upside for helping out in the future, especially this year. Tejada obviously won’t help in the future, but it is possible he’d block Bell for a good portion of the year, unless he plays well enough to trade. In reality though, he shouldn’t complain, he’s lucky he got what we gave him.

 Atkins though I think fills both a and b. Worst case scenario is that he is worse than last year and we don’t have to pay him again/ plenty of room for Brandon to come up when ready. If he returns to 2008 form, albeit unlikely, we can trade for more prospects which would help for the future or we have the not so bad problem of having too much talent at another position. I don’t know about the rest of you, but after the last decade I could use that problem.

by tjk on Jan 26, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Garret Atkins' best case scenario

is that he hits like .270/.330/.410. I don’t think there’s gonna be anybody willing to give the Orioles some top talent for two months of that kind of batting line (not to mention the inevitable home/road splits). And that’s the best case scenario.

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Jan 26, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

True

nobody is giving up top talent for atkins, I’m just saying that he has some possible upside beyond next season. emphasis on possible.

by tjk on Jan 26, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Atkins is my favorite acquisition of the winter

That’s not saying much, but Atkins is the youngest, has shown an ability to hit in the (distant past) and is under contract for another season if he does blow up in a good way.

I don’t fault the O’s for passing on the big name free agents, but they could have tried to find the next Carlos Pena, David Ortiz, or even Jeremy Guthrie – someone available for cheap or free who would be under club control for a long time.

by dkdc on Jan 26, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t fault the O’s for passing on the big name free agents, but they could have tried to find the next Carlos Pena, David Ortiz, or even Jeremy Guthrie – someone available for cheap or free who would be under club control for a long time.

Yes, completely agree. A push for Brandon Wood would have been nice.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Atkins best case scenario

is a bit better than .270. Until last year, he had only once been under .300 and always 20+ Hrs. If and I do mean IF he can refind his stroke with Crowley, he could be a useful ballplayer even at 1B. IMO.

by fuddnelson on Jan 26, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Chapman wasn't the only international FA available

Noel Arguelles would have been a nice signing. Wagner Mateo is still out there.

by James F on Jan 26, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

in the comments section...

it was correctly noted that beltre turned down at least one offer for multiple years and more $ to take the offer from the red sox. i mean, once all’s said and done it’s easy to say that the FO SHOULD have gone after player x.

again, to a great extent, we don’t REALLY know what went on w/ respect to offseason haggling/negotiating, etc.

…and spot on re: the the guts comments. there really is a sportswriter echo chamber.

"If they pitch to you, make them pay."

--Diamond Dave to the Phenom

by j.q. higgins on Jan 26, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

The Orioles are having a press conference today at 3 p.m.

I assume to announce Miggi officially.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jan 26, 2010 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

A little hard on Guthrie there...

What is he supposed to say? He’s responding to speculation that having Millwood in the rotation will make it easier for him to pitch next year. It’s the question that is stupid, not the answer. Guthrie provided about as good a response as could be expected considering the question. I would be worried about him if he had answered differently.

"If you know how to cheat, start now." - Earl Weaver

by rebop on Jan 26, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed

Shame on you Stacey.
Guts is a consummate professional!
Undeserved sarcasm. I freakin’ love that guy.

I do love him, but I’m kidding about the other stuff.
Except the stuff about agreeing it was a suitable answer
to a dumb question (ok, I’m going away now).

by Wieters Wieners on Jan 26, 2010 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

FanGraphs doesn’t really get the Orioles offseason moves.

Yeah, I’m not sure what Dave Cameron had in mind. That wasn’t a lot of impact talent on the free agent market that fits the O’s needs. Although I do agree with, “Instead, they ended up spending $25 million in 2010 (and $6M in 2011) to acquire Kevin Millwood, Garrett Atkins, Miguel Tejada, and Mike Gonzalez. They filled four holes, but the return on investment seems… underwhelming.” $25M is a lot of money to finish 4th, probably 5th, in the AL east. We could finish 4th or 5th next year w/o Millwood and et al. and put that money toward Chapman.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 1:05 PM EST reply actions  

probably 5th???

fuck that! You think we’re worse than the Blow Jobs???

by O'sFan21 on Jan 26, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

What’s the deal with their pitching? Is Marcum, Leitch, Romero and et al going to be healthy? If yes, then yeah, sure it’s very possible.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh!

Those guys almost all drastically overachieved. They lost the best pitcher in baseball and added almost nothing to one of the worst lineups in baseball.

by O'sFan21 on Jan 26, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

opinion duly noted.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The first part of that is opinion, but is it not true that they lost the best pitcher in baseball and added nothing to one of the worst lineups in baseball? I thought those were facts.

by O'sFan21 on Jan 26, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont know about overachieving

i agree that losing halladay is going to hurt….a LOT, but some of those young pitchers they have could surprise.

by twistedlogic on Jan 26, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess

but don’t you think how they did this year WAS surprise? Most of those guys are not and were not big prospects were they?

by O'sFan21 on Jan 26, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe

i’m sure they got a little motivation knowing that they had an amazing chance to win every 5 days tho.

by twistedlogic on Jan 26, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

McGowen, Romero, and Brett Cecil were all first/supplemental picks. Not to mention Brandon Morrow who was recently acquired from Seattle.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

But were any of them highly regarded prospects more recently?

by O'sFan21 on Jan 26, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

You could say the same

thing about Brad Bergesen, Nolan Reimold, and Felix Pie.

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Jan 26, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

They weren't exactly

considered “highly regarded prospects” recently, and then performed well. If you’re suggesting that Toronto will completely flop because their team leans on too many of those kinds of guys, you’re also saying the Orioles will flop a little bit, too.

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Jan 26, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Only sort of.

We also have 3 gigantic prospects (Jesus, Matusz, and Tillman) and actually made upgrades elsewhere (closer, SP, and corner IF). They’ve lost their best starter and added a sort of starter/sort of reliever right?

by O'sFan21 on Jan 26, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate with you

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Jan 26, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean I guess

those guys are more highly regarded than I realized, but I would still be incredibly disappointed if we’re not better than them this year.

by O'sFan21 on Jan 26, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Me, too

but it’s not totally outside the realm of possibility.

But really: I want to see the Orioles improve, at least to 77 wins. I couldn’t care less what everyone else does (except the Yankees. I hope they win approximately 0 games).

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Jan 26, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

IF their pitching stays healthy, the Jay will be decent and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they finished ahead of us. Lind, Snider, and Hill are all nice hitters. And the Jays have typically been an excellent run prevention team. Finishing below them shouldn’t be a mark of shame.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Without Halladay

they’re probably looking at around 70 wins. That’s just a huge blow to their team. But of course those young guys can always make up the difference quickly.

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Jan 26, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually meant 75

sorry. Brain fart. But, yeah, the Orioles should be better than the Blue Jays – but it shouldn’t be something to put any thought into at all.

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Jan 26, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's

IF Lind and Hill have comparable seasons to last year, and I think that’s a huge if.

by O'sFan21 on Jan 26, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

They certainly won’t replicate their 2009 seasons, but they’re very good players. That I feel comfortable in saying.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Well yeah, unless you fall off a cliff, you’ll be well regarded as a first round pick. Look at how much rope Billy Rowell is given. In any case, some of those were more highly regarded than others, but they were all considered decent or good prospects. Romero is the most interesting case because he was chosen directly in front of Troy Tulowitzki and he scuffled a bit at times in the minors leading to many complaints. So he was least regarded out of that bunch. But McGowen and Cecil were certainly considered very good prospect with Romero and Marcum tailing behind.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention, Morrow has been well regarded as well, but he’s been seen as being jerked around Seattle. He hasn’t been given a true chance to pitch in the rotation yet. And player position wise, Snider and Lind were very well regarded. And, of course, Aaron Hill is a beast. The Jays have a very nice core of young players. I wouldn’t underestimate them.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh

Lind was good this year, but he was nothing special the two years before and I had never seen him listed in the top 50 prospects or anything.

Hill has big dropoff written all over him. The guy just randomly doubles his career high in HR and adds 40 points in OPS to his career high?

by O'sFan21 on Jan 26, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Just a quick search of one reviewer...

…but Sickels had Lind as the Jays #1 prospect in 2007, and the 17th hitting prospect in all of baseball. So he didn’t come out of nowhere.

by James F on Jan 26, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Lind was good this year, but he was nothing special the two years before and I had never seen him listed in the top 50 prospects or anything.

Lind was an A- prospect in 2007 and was most certainly listed a as top 50 prospect (although I haven’t double checked).

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention, Snider was listed as A- prospect as well in 2007. Give these guys some time, they’ll be good, if not great, players.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok...

and in 2007 he had an OPS of .678 in 300+ ABs and in 2008 he had an OPS of .785 in 350 ABs. You’re telling me you think his 2009 OPS of .932 is reasonable to expect going forward?

by O'sFan21 on Jan 26, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Who are we talking about? I’m not what reasonable to expect going forward. I would check ZiPs for that. I’m just the Jays have a lot good young talent. I haven’t even mentioned the guys they picked for Halladay.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Those were his age 23 and 24 seasons

Maybe a .932 OPS is a bit much, but yes, it’s very reasonable to see him as a .850 OPS player going forward.

by James F on Jan 26, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, we’re talking about Lind. Then yes, I agree with James F. His defense is weak but his bat is perfectly good. Given his age, .850 OPS is sounds very reasonable with another one or two .932ish OPS seasons in him down the road.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, roy halladay was traded. that is a fact.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

If we finish behind them

heads should fucking roll. Plan or no plan. They are awful.

by O'sFan21 on Jan 26, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I received my O's car magnet yesterday!

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

yup, emailed them, received a magnet less than a week later.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice. What does it look like?

If it’s a bird, I’m interested, if it’s an O, meh.

by CoachOfEarl on Jan 26, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry man, it's the standard "O's" logo.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Sheets signs with the A's

One year, $8M

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4859899

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jan 26, 2010 1:40 PM EST reply actions  

the link just says $8M

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jan 26, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

pass

he’s not worth that kinda $$$

by twistedlogic on Jan 26, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, we're paying Kevin Millwood 9 million

I’d take a bet that Sheets’ll outperform Millwood for roughly the same amount of money.

Maybe this is just that we overpaid, too, but still

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Jan 26, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take that bet

because there’s a really good chance Sheets ends up on the DL for a chunk of time this year.

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Jan 26, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Even so

Sheets is just that much better of a pitcher, and he’s younger. If Millwood throws 160 innings, and Sheets throws 120 innings at their expected levels – Sheets wins easily. Especially considering the parks they are in and the divisions.

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Jan 26, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Last time he did pitch

he was awesome (until he got hurt). In fact, he’s been pretty good most of the years he has pitched, even accounting for his injury bug.

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Jan 26, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, in 2008 Sheets pitched nearly 200 innings...

….about what Millwood threw in 2009. Sheets was worth 4.4 WAR, while Millwood was worth 2.4 WAR.

by James F on Jan 26, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, exactly

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Jan 26, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

thats still my point

what year is it now? hard to make a conclusion on a guy who sat out an entire year with an injury.

by twistedlogic on Jan 26, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously, the A's disagree

Billy Beane doesn’t just hand out $10m contracts like candy. I’m sure it is hard to make a conclusion on a guy who misses an entire year with an injury, but they somehow managed to do it.

by James F on Jan 26, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

they concluded that sheets is a better pitcher than millwood.

by twistedlogic on Jan 26, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what makes it a bet

not a sure thing, but a bet I’d be willing to take.

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Jan 26, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

For all you Bedard Lovers

hopefully he doesn’t get greedy and AM passes.

by Philly O's on Jan 26, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting

They almost drafted him.

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 26, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

this just in....

…..tim tebow is not a quarterback. in other news, teenage pregnancy is up.

by twistedlogic on Jan 26, 2010 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

Also breaking on Yahoo news today:

Archie will root for his son instead of the team he played for 30 years ago.

by daveh873 on Jan 26, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, yes and no

Tim Tebow’s not an NFL QB, but…

From 1991 to 2007, teen birth rates in the United States declined 31 percent.

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Source (pdf alert!)

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Jan 26, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I defer to your later data....

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Jan 26, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

i think its supposed to say 2009

but yahoo cant really figure out how to report news.

by twistedlogic on Jan 26, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

You're both correct, really

Talking about the 2006 rate going up relative to the 2005 rate doesn’t exclude the rate still being down when compared to 1991. It’s all about where you set the bar. Lies, damn lies, and statistics, after all.

It is curious that the “most recent” is 2006. Does it take three years to collect all that data and write a report about it? Maybe it was a typo but they used 2006 several times.

I actually wouldn’t have a hard time believing that it takes a year if they’re independently verifying all the data – probably meaning trying to shake documents out of the states and counties and municipalities.

Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008

by Eat More Esskay on Jan 26, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Those teenagers

with their new-fangled hoo-hahs and whatzits. I tell you, kids these days.

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Jan 26, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Jim Hunter's optimism

is driving me up the wall.

“There are no easy outs in this lineup”. When did we trade Cesar Izturis?

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaah

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Jan 26, 2010 3:04 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Tell me what week it is..

and you can probably add Luke Scott to that list. Man, when he slumps…

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Jan 26, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Andy MacPhail

basically just said that Bell would have to wait until either 2011 or Tejada gets hurt / ineffective.

Hrm.

"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"

by Andrew_G on Jan 26, 2010 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

I'm having a lot of trouble believing that.

There’s minimal logic in that, because if Tejada’s really hot the first half of the season, we could get basically get a couple top 20 prospects (in that organazation) for him. Or one or top 10’s. And what Miggy’s performing up to expections not above them, and not below and Bell is red hot. What would he do then?

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 26, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

great. just great.

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Jan 26, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Zero sense
  1. Way to demotivate! Nothing says ‘improve’ like telling someone their future is out of their hands.
  2. Now, the only way to get our guy up, playing replacement level, is for our starter to play at replacement level. Miggy could hit .265 and he’d keep his job.

by CoachOfEarl on Jan 26, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

If Josh Bell is tearing up AAA and Miggy is performing well, I have a feeling Bell will be up after Miggy is traded.

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

My Reactions & Thoughts

Since there has been different thoughts, ideas, and predictions being thrown out about the Tejada deal and the year to come, I decided to do it myself. Here it is, please enjoy:

http://isportsweb.com/2010/01/24/baltimore-orioles-sign-miguel-tejada-1-year-six-mill-thoughts-and-reactions/

by Gu3 on Jan 26, 2010 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

Stat of the day

Comeback Wins: 33
Blown Leads: 50

Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano

by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 26, 2010 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

Saints all the way.

I will never root for the professional football team from Indianapolis.

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Jan 26, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i like to kick open the door

Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

by birdman on Jan 26, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

we usually do that but its mostly because we dont really trust the others living in this building

but one shuts the door like a normal person and one slams it so hard that the posters on the wall in my room fall off. then the other one sorta borderline slams it. def a slam, but not enough to measure on the richter scale like the other guy.

by twistedlogic on Jan 26, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I can always tell when my boss arrives by the way he sounds

His office is around the corner and down the hall, but I can always tell when he gets to work. Clomp clomp jingle of keys sniff lock being roughly opened sniff. It’s always the same.

by PhilR8 on Jan 26, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

thome

 jim thome signs with the twins if any 1 cares

by chuckthefan on Jan 26, 2010 7:07 PM EST reply actions  

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