Won't you come home, Érik Bédard?
by Stacey on Jan 27, 2010 4:39 PM EST
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On more than one occasion this off-season Andy MacPhail has indicated that the Orioles have interest in re-signing Érik Bédard (Bédard and his agent have been mum). The overwhelming sentiment among Orioles fans is that bringing back Bédard is a good idea as well. Personally I've so convinced myself he'll be an Oriole that if it doesn't happen I'll probably be fiercely disappointed.
By why do people want him so badly? Part of it is, of course, because it would be funny, especially now that Tejada is back with the team. Part of it is our memory of Erik Bédard's 2007 season, the single best season by an Orioles starting pitcher this side of Mike Mussina. Part of it is because, even with his serious injury, he's likely the best FA option left out there for a starting pitcher.
While the general feeling is that it'd be a good call to sign Bédard to a short term, incentive-laden deal, there have been concerns by some people. One is that we have no idea if Bédard will be able to return from his torn labrum. Plenty of pitchers never do. Another concern is that of blocking our younger prospects or possibly forcing one of the younger pitchers out of the rotation (since Millwood and Guthrie aren't going anywhere). The second concern has been voiced a number of times here on Camden Chat but I think it is really the lesser concern of the two.
As is said so many times, you can't have too much starting pitching. Out of curiosity I looked up on Baseball Reference how many starting pitchers most teams used in 2009. The question of if the Orioles should avoid Bédard because it might end up blocking a prospect should be cleared up just by looking at the results.
| Team | # of Starting Pitchers | Pitchers with > 10 starts |
|---|---|---|
| Padres | 15 | 8 |
| Athletics | 14 | 6 |
| Angels | 14 | 6 |
| Orioles | 12 | 8 |
| Blue Jays | 12 | 6 |
| Indians | 12 | 7 |
| Tigers | 12 | 4 |
| Royals | 12 | 5 |
| Mariners | 12 | 9 |
| Nationals | 12 | 8 |
| Phillies | 12 | 6 |
| Dodgers | 12 | 5 |
| Red Sox | 11 | 6 |
| Twins | 11 | 7 |
| White Sox | 11 | 6 |
| Mets | 11 | 7 |
| Marlins | 11 | 7 |
| Rangers | 10 | 8 |
| Astros | 10 | 7 |
| Diamondbacks | 10 | 6 |
| Rockies | 10 | 5 |
| Yankees | 9 | 4 |
| Reds | 9 | 6 |
| Cardinals | 9 | 5 |
| Cubs | 9 | 6 |
| Pirates | 9 | 7 |
| Brewers | 9 | 5 |
| Giants | 9 | 9 |
| Braves | 8 | 5 |
| Rays | 7 | 6 |
| Average | 10.45 | 6.13 |
Pretty self-explanatory don't you think?
Potential 2010 starting pitchers on the Orioles 40 man roster include: Brad Bergesen, Jason Berken, Brandon Erbe, Jason Berken, Jeremy Guthrie, David Hernandez, Brian Matusz, Kevin Millwood, Troy Patton, and Chris Tillman. That's less than the average of 10.45 starting pitchers used in 2009. Of non-40 man options, Jake Arrieta is the only who has pitched above AA. It's safe to say that of the eleven pitchers listed here, a few will spend time on the disabled list. A few of the minor leaguers might not be ready when a hole in the rotation opens up. A few will just suck.
I know I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but blocking prospects in the starting rotation doesn't seem like a big concern to me. It especially doesn't bother me because if Erik Bédard is healthy and back to form he'd be the best pitcher on the staff. Yes, Bédard might not be the Bédard of old. Yeah, he'll never be a workhorse even if he is healthy and good. But if given the chance to add a player of Bédard's talents without breaking the bank, you do it. You don't try to worry about what happens in June if Bédard is healthy and the five in the rotation are going strong. I'll take that problem any day of the week.
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Érik Bédard
If you dont give him his accent aigus, he will never return to the Ôriölès.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Nice umlat
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Yeah, my German's a little rusty
although as a Mötley Crüe fan, I shoulkd have known that.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Excusez-moi!
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Вперёд, Oрлы! Бэ-дард жив!
(Go Orioles! Buh-dard lives!))
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Here's my take
If he’s going to do well anywhere, it’s here.
There’s no pressure – he’s not the guy, or the guy behind the guy, he’s rotation filler for us.
He knows this park, knows the staff, knows the media. He knows he can blow off Roch and Schmuck and no one will really care. Brian Roberts and Nick Markakis know what they’re getting with Bedard. The guy, when healthy, will throw into the 7th, usually with the lead.
We don’t need him to be the answer. We just need him to be better than our #4 or #5, and he probably won’t even be ready until a hole in the rotation has developed, anyway. And it’s not like the O’s are going to send Bedard out there if Arrieta is ready to go. He’s not going to block anyway.
If the money’s right, and the medical stuff is tolerable, I say sure. If he’s gonna do well anywhere, it’s probably in familiar surroundings.
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
I agree as well...
…but I will mention that Armando Gabino is also on the 40 man and a theoretical candidate to get a start or two.
BUH
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
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"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
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"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
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"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
DARD
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
You forgot...
“Wait for it…..”
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Am the only person on CC who doesn't want him?
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 27, 2010 5:24 PM EST reply actions
Hey don't be acusing me of that
I happen to like Canadian people, particulary French-Canadians that play goalie for a team named after a flightless bird.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 27, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Don't let duck know of your allegiances to the gold and black ice scourge.
The only good thing about Pittsburgh is PNC Park.
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
by getxstoked on Jan 27, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a rec
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
You know what the Devils are missing?
Dominic Satan, I don’t even like the Devils, but I would buy that sweater immediately.
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
isn't it...
miroslav satan?
shit…are there more than one?
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jan 27, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
two players on my mind.
I fucked that up.
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
I've always wanted Miroslav on the team
I mean, SATAN on the back of a Devils jersey would just be awesome. Also, he was a really good player for quite some time.
I think its time we had a talk there, BSF
Look, I’m gonna put it to you bluntly. Sidney Crosby is a loser. He hasn’t even moved out of Mario Lemieux’s house yet. If you switch your allegiances to the Capitals, we’ll pretend this whole period of your life where you rooted for the Penguins never even happened. How good a deal is that?
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
Take the deal, young man
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Don't listen to him, BSF
Instead, listen to me. Wouldn’t you like to root for the team with arguably the greatest goalie of all time? A perennial contender? Someone not from DC? Well, have I got a team for you…
In any event. Pittsburg is most certainly not the way to go. Crosby is great. I’m not denying that. But Pennsylvania? Isn’t it a sin to root for any team in Pittsburg if you’re from Baltimore anyway?
Quoting Sean Avery?
You’re better than that.
You really don’t think Marty is even in the discussion for greatest goalie?
haha of course i do
i’m just giving you a hard time. i cant stand sean avery.
by twistedlogic on Jan 28, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
"Pittsburg" LOL
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
Sorry I'm starting to hate the devils
Broduer is the ultimate Penguin killer.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 28, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
I don't consider it a sin IF
there’s no team in Bmore. And I’m not going root for a DC team. I consider rooting for Baltimore’s snooty, next door neighbor worse then a Pennsylvania team.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 28, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
so you'd rather root for the penguins on the grounds that they are just not from dc?
i was starting to like you BSF, but that’s a bandwagony thing to do. plus a baltimore fan rooting for a pittsburgh team rather than dc team?
by twistedlogic on Jan 28, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
I can't trash him on this
I’m a NJ fan that roots for Baltimore rather than NY. I completely understand it. If he picked Pitt just because they are good and have Crosby and such, that’s a no-no, but I doubt that’s his reasoning.
That and the penguin is my favorite animal.
This also why 4th favorite college team (behind UMD, Navy and Towson) are the Youngstown State Penguins.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 30, 2010 7:10 AM EST up reply actions
that's an awesome reason to pick a team
I support you, BSF
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
ew
I love the Orioles, but no. Birds are gross. Penguins don’t count!
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
They can fly
flying is a super power. Thus, every bird (that can fly) is a super hero. How can you dislike a super hero?
I do not buy this argument
Sorry.
Birds are ick city.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
pigeons = winged rats. But most of 'em are pretty cool. Hey, they're ex-dinosaurs, right?
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
Thank you.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 30, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
No
I like rooting for a team that actually wins in the postseason.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 28, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Cold BUSTED!
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
Yes, you are.
"I'd like to do something. We all would here," he added. "As I've said before, you just don't want to do anything stupid that you're thinking in May, 'What in the God's green earth was I thinking about?'" - Andy MacPhail 12/8/09
I don't care if we sign him.
I don’t expect him to be effective this year. But I also don’t expect him to cost much.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
Why don't you?
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I don't really know
This is the only move that I’ve had a real gut feeling, and that gut feeling is no. My gut is hard to persuade.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 27, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Well allow me to retort
BUH-DARD
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Well allow me to retort,
I’m using this phrase more.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
I only want him because it would be funny.
I think the only reason he isn’t here yet is because he’d want too much money for such a high risk. But getting all those players for him and Miggy, then re-signing them both would just be plain hilarious.
More like...
“Take this free Adam Jones, Chris Tillman, Kam Mickolio and George Sherrill (aka Josh Bell and Steve Johnson.)”
Seriously though
the guy is hysterical. The almost palpable anger and hatred and fear coming out of Roch’s writing when it concerns Bedard is just the greatest thing ever. His overly-obvious, satirical one word answers stand as a shining beacon in a sea of smarmy asshole athletes who think their opinion really counts for something.
Bedard knows what’s up, and what’s up is what you have already seen between the lines. Why do you need to know what he thinks about those home runs he just gave up? It doesn’t change shit. Do you think he liked giving them up? Do you think he intended to give them up? Seriously, why does it matter what he thinks? And the only man in the room who is thinking these overly obvious things is BUH-DARD.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
by Andrew_G on Jan 27, 2010 5:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That's partly why I love him
“Why’d you walk so many guys today, Erik?”
“I didn’t throw the ball in the strike zone.”
He’s smart and he’s funny. And people like Roch and Tony at the OH like to paint him as some surly n’er do well because he doesn’t give the sound bites they crave.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
More I read that the funnier it gets.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 27, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
The more
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 27, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing can ever, ever top
his media session after some game in Seattle which he started with:
“You get four questions.”
And after four questions, he interrupts a reporter with:
“That’s it. Four. Later.”
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
Here's a good article about him from a few years ago
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2978076
Good quotes from it:
“If you want a quote, don’t come to me. I won’t give it to you.”
and
“Stupid question, next.”
And then from Dave Trembley: “He’s not a [bad] guy. He just doesn’t like people asking him obvious, stupid questions.”
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
The best part was the beginning
“Why four questions?”
“Thats one.”
"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal
by duck on Jan 27, 2010 6:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
indeed...
being a smart ass does not necessarily make one smart, but the fact that he eschews the crash davis school of interviewing is refreshing.
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
by j.q. higgins on Jan 27, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Ohhhhh Roch....
…the guy who got scooped by his own company that Matt Wieters was getting the call-up. How many people still read Roch, I wonder?
As far as I'm concerned, this is the best reason to sign Bedard
Imagine all the hilarity we’d get from Roch’s blog on every entry about him. Not just from Roch but from the nutty commenters. I’m laughing just imagining it. Make it happen.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 27, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
That's an awful lot of pitchers being used by a lot of teams, but
how many of those only had 1-3 starts? What I mean is, how many of them were spot starters during the odd doubleheader or makeup game or whatever? Because that’s really not what we’re looking for. We don’t want any of Tillman, Matusz, Bergesen to be relegated to spot starting or random spot starts.
That being said I’m not opposed to signing Bedard.
That's why I showed how many made >10 starts
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I would love for Bedard to come back
Like you said, my main question is who he pushes out of the rotation. Six man rotation?
I didn't say that
I’m saying that you don’t worry about that. I wouldn’t go with a six man rotation and history says that I wouldn’t have to. Look at how many teams had so many starters with more than 10 starts. Most teams don’t end the season with the same five they started with. It just works out.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Do It
It would be a great addition to our young staff even if it just for say ten or 15 starts. first he will give us some time to develop our pitchers and not rush them into to pros which is always a good thing and also its not like when he pitches he throws up bad numbers
In 15 starts last year he went 5-3 with a 2.82 ERA, a 1.19 WHIP, and a 2.12 BAA and 2.65 K/BB.
Those are all great numbers so if we can get him to a cheap deal with bonuses included for the off chance he stays healthy i say do it in a heart beat andy its not like were getting a pitcher with bad numbers we would be getting a very productive veteran who could come in and be our #4 or #5.
AWESOME.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
you can remove that you know
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I just checked
Apparently it costs 10 credits (which you have to buy) to remove the logo. Fuck you, blingee corp.
haahhah really?
I’m sure I’ve done that before and I’ve certainly not bought any credits.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Maybe it's a new thing
I joined home depots mailing list to get free credits. The things I do for this blog…
aahhahahhahahah
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I still haven't gotten my credits
so here is a redo (it’s a bit less painful to look at as well).
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by daveh873 on Jan 27, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
bedard at the 4 or 5?
even with the torn labrum i think he deserves the 3. tillman and matusz are still young. if he doesn’t produce, knock him down a few spots but start him at the 3 right after guthrie.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 27, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
that's a moot point
I think “our #4 or #5” speaks to his talent level, which could be ANYWHERE following the labrum tear. As to where he’d actually slot into the rotation, if he comes in once the season starts it’d just be wherever it works out.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
of course, when you look at it, this whole discussion is moot
he still hasn’t signed anything yet. i feel like it would work out best at the 3. just a feeling though, maybe just some wishful thinking that he could return to even half of the form that he was at when he left in 07.
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by danielreese05 on Jan 27, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Does rotation order really matter
beyond the first week of the season? Like really does it matter if your second best guy ALWAYS pitches the day after your best guy?
Erik Bedard would be an excellent pickup for the Orioles. He’d make the team better, potentially be excellent trade bait, and would definitely help keep the pressure off our young arms. Sure, we have five starters in Tillman, Matusz, Millwood, Guthrie, and Bergesen, but we can hold off on one of them for a while, and that will only help avoid overextending our young pitchers’ arms.
He’d make the team better
Why do people ignore the fact that he just had labrum surgery? Why?
Of the 36 major-league hurlers diagnosed with labrum tears in the last five years, only midlevel reliever Rocky Biddle has returned to his previous level. Think about that when your favorite pitcher comes down with labrum trouble: He has a 3 percent chance of becoming Rocky Biddle. More likely, he’ll turn into Mike Harkey, Robert Person, or Jim Parque, pitchers who lost stamina and velocity—and a major-league career—when their labrums began to fray.
Slate, 2004
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
That article is six years old
I’m not 100% positive but I feel like there is a more updated study done that shows advancements. I’m going try and find it. If anyone knows what I’m talking about please help me out.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
Ok so this is what I found
There aren’t stats like in the Slate article, but there are quotes from Will Carroll who wrote the original article.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/2009/06/29/20090629spt-dbaxwebb.html
Excerpt:
Although it has long been considered an injury from which few pitchers recover, medical advancements have made torn labrums less of a career killer.
“You can be the same guy you were before you got hurt,” said Diamondbacks reliever Jon Rauch, who had shoulder surgery when he was a minor leaguer in the Chicago White Sox system in 2001.
But for every Curt Schilling and Chris Carpenter – pitchers who had the procedure and made it back to full strength – there are dozens of others whose careers were derailed. Guys like Mark Mulder, Pedro Martinez and Jason Schmidt.
Will Carroll also likes Webb’s chances. Carroll, a Baseball Prospectus writer well-known for his injury expertise, sees Schilling as a good comparison, mainly for their body types.
“Honestly, I think he’s as good a case as there is,” Carroll said of Webb, “because he was asymptomatic for so long.”
Carroll authored the definitive piece on labrum surgery for Slate in 2004, writing that “if pitchers with torn labrums were horses, they’d be destroyed.”
There still are certain types of labrum tears to which that would apply, he said, but surgical procedures have progressed to where more pitchers are returning to form.
“Technologically has advanced,” Carroll said. “They’ve had so much more practice that they’ve gotten better.”
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
And he's a lefty
If I have a son I’m tying the kids right arm to his side 20 hours a day until he’s 18.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
I haven't heard anything
But Tillman pitched 150 last year and Matusz pitched 157. I’m not sure what they’d do with Matusz since he only has one year of professional experience, but Tillman also threw 135 in 2008 and 135 in 2007 in the minors so as long as he’s not getting shelled he’ll probably be fine for the whole season.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I've heard 10-15% but I'm honestly not sure
Matusz pitched 123 innings in 2007 for San Diego and 105 for them in 2008. If they were sticking to plus10% strictly he should have been shut down long before he was, although Tillman was right on the money.
I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry
I've always thought it was 10%
but I didn’t bother trying to find any hard facts. I mean, why let facts get in the way of an argument.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Then you'd be screwed
as upping him 10 would give you a whopping 4 more innings. If they threw that few, I’d probably throw everything out the window and play it by ear. 30 innings seems like it would be around a 20 increase in most cases. That might be a bit steep.
Its a guide, not a hard fast rule
If it was, Sheets would only pitch 30 innings this year, for $333k/inning. I think it’s for young starters increasing workloads from college and through the minors. From what I remember, that’s what the Os were going with.
WHODAT WHODAT WHODAT
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 28, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, it's a little more complicated than that
because not all innings are created the same.
But the general rule of thumb is indeed assumed to be 30 inning increases.
Bedard says he doesn't care and thinks goals are pointless.
If you want it to make sense, they should use pitches
Because there’s a big difference between a quick 7 pitch inning and a 45 pitch nightmare, which may not even result in an out
WHODAT WHODAT WHODAT
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 28, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I'd imagine that over the course of season this isnt much of a factor
Most pitchers are going to have good and bad outings that even out on a long enough scale. I dont have the data in front of me, but i wouldn’t imagine the most efficient pitchers in the league throw that many few pitches.
There’s also the stress associated with preparing for an outing, including warming up and cooling down, that are somewhat fixed regardless of the number of pitches thrown.
Actually, it is
I just did a quick and dirty comparison, using O’s pitchers in 2009, and Pitches per inning follows ERA very well for starters. Not as much for relievers, but there are a lot of different ways to use a reliever.
Badly formatted table: Pitcher, P/INN, W, L, ERA
Brad Bergesen 15.1 7 5 3.43
Mark Hendrickson 15.8 6 5 4.37
Koji Uehara 15.9 2 4 4.05
Jeremy Guthrie 16.8 10 17 5.04
Brian Matusz 16.9 5 2 4.63
Jason Berken 17.1 6 12 6.54
Chris Tillman 17.9 2 5 5.4
David Hernandez 19.0 4 10 5.42
Adam Eaton 19.6 2 5 8.56
Rich Hill 19.7 3 3 7.8
WHODAT WHODAT WHODAT
by CoachOfEarl on Jan 28, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
this would bascially cement mac-p as a great GM
he brings bedard back, even though he’s a walking band-aid, would be a terriffic move. if i’m not mistaken, there are only a couple of “top” pitching prospects we haven’t brought up yet. Arrieta is the only guy that comes to mind, maybe troy patton? coming off of a torn labrum i think set him back though. that’s not really the point though, bedard would be a good move. if he gets hurt, stick matusz in there, he seemed to be more ready than tillman last season.
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I haven't seen any talk on contract numbers yet
So what would be fair for a now oft-injured semi-aging lefty coming off of labrum surgery? We gave Tejada 6 million, and he is an everyday player who led his league in doubles last year.
1 year for 3 million with incentives for innings pitched. Any more than that is too much.
As long as we don't DFA Adam Jones, I'm all for it
It might even be worth it to sign him now just to lock him up and just let him rehab for a couple months.
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BRING HIM BACK
hes not gonna be offered a big contract, not only because hes been hurt but when he wasnt he was far from stellar. he wont have ANY expectations, he wont be the best lefty in our rotation (if he makes it) and besides he cant be as bad as smile from hell berken. take a shot with an incentive laden contract.
"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'"
Earl Weaver
I would love to see him back
While Erik’s personality has been sorely missed by media foes like me, what I’d love to see is a reasonable facsimile of the 2007 Bedard. He’s definitely a high upside guy who should be signed to whatever, including a very team friendly option for 2011 (and maybe even 2012).
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