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OT: To book or to Kindle? Sometimes you gotta kindle books, too...

Yesterday's thread got me thinking...

I am the family librarian, which means the rooms full of books at the, ahem, Titov Ancestral Estate on the Banks of the Susquehanna are my charges. Problem is, the TAEotBotS is owned by, um, something like 178 people, most of whom visit it only in the summer and bring books with them when they do, since they certainly have no intention of wasting their evenings trying to pick up the Orioles on AM from York or some damn place, which is what the librarian does.

Yep, it's  great that they bring 'em, except they also leave them-- which is also great, except that the left-book input since 1931, when great-grandad Titov purchased this 11-acre, 2-bldg lot, has now reached such proportions that, well, I've been forced to commit *librocide* on several occasions. Which is never fun, even when it's rotting, largely-illegible, bug-infested stories-for-boys volumes from the turn of the preceding century (fished from a New York YMCA library by an aunt Titov who used to work there, we think) that you're sending to book heaven.  

So yeah, I love it that we're a family who reads-- there is no TV allowed at TAEotBotS -- and that we relentlessly pass along the wealth to rising generations. But storage and maintenance really are problems.  Yet Kindle, which has some great features that address these issues (and offers other cool functions as well) is not an entirely satisfying answer. I still like actual books lining the walls and filling the shelves, volumes which can suggest themselves to a potential reader going through the room. There's nothing wrong with wanting a book and being able to order it up posthaste, surely; in fact, that's terrific. But the two functions are still different for me.

Just how different is probably best illustrated through the Library of Congress. In 1979 I got a rsch job in Washington that had two wonderful assets: the place I worked had Interlibrary Loan privileges with LC – meaning that virtual all the books at the best library in the world were yours to order up at will; and secondly, LC still issued Stack Passes to ILL-affiliated researchers then, which meant that you could go over there not entirely sure of what had been written on the thing you were researching, do a prelim look-see via the card catalogue(s), and then, yippee, simply dive into the stacks and eyeball everything that struck your fancy in the topic area. I can't count the number of times I found valuable stuff not by direct-searching, but via walk-in-eyeballing-whoa-lookit-THIS!!!

(Sidebar: as a kid, I loved reading the TAEotBotS collection of New Yorkers dating from the 1920s-30s; even the ads were great, with new cars for $350 and such. And I also effectively used our Nat'l Geographic collection for stuff older than that: there were fascinating pictorials/articles on what was going on in Russia in 1917-18 in NG, which I clipped and showed to Russian students over here in class. They'd never seen such pics before, of course -- the state controlled all such materials -- and were amazed by some of the scenes. For them it was something like what seeing Matthew Brady pictures of the Civil War was for Americans: wow, history comes with pictures-- and yikes, it isn't all as neat and proper as our textbooks showed it.)

Anyway, I don't know what I'm gonna do about the impossibly-expanding TAEotBotS library-- so any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

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Hey, I worked at the LOC too!

Well, it was a paid internship… for a summer. And they ran out of stuff for me to do after a month and a half, so sometimes I’d just go to the main beautiful reading room and read for a few hours (and YOUR tax dollars would continue paying me! bwahahahhaa). I also worked at my college’s library for all 4 years and loved just exploring the stacks. Yeah, the idea of the Kindle just freaks me out… I love books, actual physical books too much.

My mom’s house used to be overflowing with books. Our solution was to build more bookshelves into the walls, then we spent a few weekends sorting through books and getting rid of duplicates or junky novels with no literary value, and then when I moved out I took a bunch of books with me, so that sort of cleared some space.

by O Nina on Jan 28, 2010 7:54 AM EST reply actions  

Man, do I miss LC , and especially the stack-pass days. I was like Scrooge McDuck diving into his pool of money...

Still, I’ve found you can really do a lot of LC rsch now through their site (www.loc.gov), which is well run— you can get considerable info yourself, and the online staff really do answer questions. So our tax dollars are at work there, even when we’re not.

Re storage: the Estate is at the more bookshelves/bookcases stage now, but not for much longer: the available wall space is dwindling down to areas which are only “secondary access” venues (bedrooms, which often have people using them, and passageways/corridors, which really shouldn’t be narrowed for sensible fire code reasons).

So yeah, I’m beginning to wonder: should I do more bookicide — to which some family members strenuously object, regardless of the value or literal readability of the books in question — or tell the family Look, if we keep this up, you’ll have to fork over for a Book Annex. Some sort of, I dunno, self-standing shed or the like. Or maybe two of ’em, in the spirit of Arthur “Two Sheds” Jackson.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 28, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Titov your life fascinates me

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jan 28, 2010 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

It’s had more than its share of exotica, I guess. For better or worse, however, it’s never been termed “adorable.”

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 28, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Keep the books

You have a collection of New Yorkers from the 20s and 30s, and even onwards? These are treasures. I don’t see the Kindle, or any current/near future eBook platform, as being a “solution” to the problem of “having too many books.” I’ve come across many great books doing much as you did: walking through shelves of books, looking for something to jump out at me. Several of my favorite authors were discovered this way (Jonathan Lethem, John Scalzi, Neal Stephensen) – I was walking through Borders and saw a book that could not be denied. Of course, I’ve also bought my fair share of stinkers this way…

I work in a secluded room in a university department that is called a “laboratory,” but is really just a room that is cramped full of a few workstations and a wall filled with books and journals. At one point, my professor/boss was insinuating that he wanted to throw all of the journals away – we’re talking complete sets of some journals dating back to 1940, and some volumes that date back to around 1900. “All of these journals are online in databases,” my professor/boss would say. And I guess that’s true, but I can’t put into words how much a world without paper books scares me. What if the world is nuked and EMPs destroy all electronics and then there aren’t any books left and the world no longer has any shoulders to stand on? What if we’re faced with a scenario where Denzel Washington owns the only book left in existence?

Probably irrational fears, but I think that hard copies need to be kept as long as possible. But that’s just my opinion.

by PhilR8 on Jan 28, 2010 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

I hope we can keep (almost) everything, including the periodicals, somehow...

Although NB: if you can believe it, some family members regard the New Yorkers as simply a fire hazard. Incredible!

And yeah, a rational part of me (I think) shares your irrational fears.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 28, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Lovely writing, titov.

by Steve. on Jan 28, 2010 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

Many thx!

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 28, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I try to read as much as I can.

I’ve always been fascinated by old books. My grandparents had some old books in their collection, but my mom has put them away for safe keeping. But the one book I keep very close to my heart, the one that my bubbe left me before she died, was a first edition Winnie the Pooh book. It’s got the illustrations and everything. It’s little so when I babysit I sometimes bring it to read to the kids. My point is, nothing can replace books. I was reading a story a couple months ago about this private school in Boston that had this huge library, but was selling all the books and putting everything online. I was baffled. The school is over 150 years old, and they’re giving away a piece of their history. Don’t get me wrong, like most of my generation I love electronics and the internet etc. etc. But I will never stop loving lying on the couch on Shabbat reading a book. Kindle isn’t the same.

My mom is blind, and she tends to read books on tape. Sometimes she’ll read in braille but that is quickly becoming obsolete to blind people. They use MP3 players for audiobooks and stuff like that. I still maintain that it’s not the same. I find joy in having someone read to me, but reading to yourself is as personal as it gets. You get your own interpretation on how someone talks, and how they are feeling from the words on the page, not from some narrator (especially the men with the deep voices who canNOT do a woman’s voice). I guess what I’m trying to say is that the whole idea of Kindle, while innovative, is not for me. This does not just go for old books, this goes for any good book. I hope and pray that reading hard copies will always endure.

OK, I’m not sure if that was a valid response, but I think it fit.

by DCO'sfan on Jan 28, 2010 12:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

“Valid response”? DCO, my friend, I’ve been on CC since 2005, and this is one my favorite posts by anyone here since then. If it’s possible to say it without sounding ironic, Thanks for sharing.

(And I wish I’d had more students like you when I was teaching high school…)

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 28, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Haha thank you.

I have a friend who sits next to me in history class and she just started reading the Harry Potter series a few weeks ago (and she’s already on 5, I’m very impressed), and our teacher is always telling her to put the book away. In an age where students bring computers to school (including me—I tend not to read in school because it’s just not a nice environment. I like to have peace and quiet and a comfortable setting like my room or the family room. That way I’m not tempted by the TV or, in the case of school, paying attention in class or the person next to me asking a question…it goes on), I like to see someone so engrossed in reading. Most of my friends like books, but they don’t love them. I, on the other hand, love them. When I have the time (and I’m not addicted to this site), I read. I wish more people had the time to do that, students and adults alike. It’s the best way to learn, that is, reading good books by good writers. I wish teachers stressed that more. I see it sometimes, but I don’t see it enough. When I hear other kids complain about reading Shakespeare—well, I get it, he’s a hard read—but he’s a master! Anyway, that’s the end…

by DCO'sfan on Jan 28, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish you could meet and exchange notes with two people, one I know and one I don't.

The one I don’t know is a woman in New England (I think it was) who was the subject of a NY Times piece last year— because she successfully read a book a day for an entire year. The one I do know is my best friend from college, who is an indie publisher in Santa Cruz, CA: he reads 120-150 books a year b/c he’s (a) a publisher and (b) a junkie, let’s face it. (I immediately sent him the NYT article with a “You think you’re a junkie?” note.)

My friend makes a great correspondent, as you’d expect, since he’s always recounting something interesting he’s just read— and that I’ll never get to, of course. It’s sort of like having your own self-filing NYT Book Review section, only with cooler (or at least much more eclectic) reviewing choices.

p.s. And speaking of popular reading among our youth, a h.s. senior wrote a really funny op-ed piece last fall for the NY Times in which she pointed out that she’d had five college campus visits now, and at each school the tour guide or somebody else representing the place had told the aspiring next-year freshmen “See this ____________? It’s just like the ________________ in ‘Harry Potter!’” Her point was Hey, Harry Potter is great and everything, but that’s not the only thing our generation enjoys and has in common. And when do we get to grow up, already?

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 28, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny you should mention that.

I’m not an HP nut by any means. I cringe at those who say JK Rowling is the best write on earth. Really? Ever heard of Faulkner? Or Mark Twain? Jane Austen? Or, if you want to get into fantasy, how about Ursula K. Le Guin, or Tolkein? I think a more proper characterization would be: She’s a solid writer. Her stories are imaginative, but I would by no means call them the best of all time. Harry Potter is enjoyable, but far too over-hyped.

Anyway, in response to your first two paragraphs, I don’t think I could do that! I wish I could read a book a day, but the books I tend to read are long and I have to go to school—that takes up a significant chunk of my day. What those two people do is extraordinary. Your friend sounds very interesting. We have this store in DC called Politics and Prose (I don’t know if you live there because you mentioned the LOC, but I’ll say it anyway). It’s an independent book store where they give you great personalized help. These people know books. They recommend some really interesting stuff so I like going there when I have the chance. However, I have a Borders right near my house. It’s not the same though. Point is, good books aren’t hard to come by. You just have to talk to someone who knows what they’re talking about. They don’t have to be reviewers. They can just be fellow lovers of books. I’ll take advice from anyone really…except maybe teenagers who think Stephanie Meyer is god’s gift to humanity…

I know the feeling about never getting to a book. I feel bad because I’ve got a number of books on my shelves that I’ve yet to read. I feel especially bad because I didn’t pay for them. This post will inspire me to get to them this weekend (hopefully)! If I do, then many thanks :)

by DCO'sfan on Jan 28, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you on HP

I mean the books, o’ course, not the sauce (which I really can’t understand how Brits like; but then, they like Bovril and Marmite, too).

My only experience with the books was reading them aloud to one of my godsons when he was about 8. They struck me as, well, pretty good— but not diverting/engaging/enthralling on the level of, say, the Oz books or the Narnia series, both of which were read to me in my childhood. And stuck with me…

But then to judge HP fairly, I guess I’d have to ask the same godson when he’s 28 or so (can I wait another 12 years?) how the series seems to him now as he looks back on it from the perspective of a grown-up. He’ll prolly say, “It was OK, but I could used a better reader.”

Have a good wkend read!

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 28, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Harry Potter is brilliant

I read them all as an adult, of course. I wouldn’t put JK Rowling up there as one of the greatest writers of all time, people who say that are just waiting to get laughed at I’d imagine. But there is a level of brilliance in the fact that the writing gets more complex with each book, intended to correspond with the aging of the reader. What always pulled me in is that the characters are written heartbreakingly well. Other than Voldemort himself (and perhaps Lucius Malfoy) each character is fleshed out so thoroughly with quirks and flaws and good and bad that I personally came away emotionally attached to all of them, which to me is certainly one measure of a good book. It almost seems a shame that they made the movies while the books were still being written because it took away a lot of the imagination required to imagine the characters, the scenes, etc.

Surely you didn’t read all of the books to your godson, Titov? The first two books are decidedly juvenile but they only get better from there.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jan 28, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I see where you're coming from

And I think that’s the opinion of many HP fans. Don’t get me wrong, they’re FUN reads, I’m in no way denying that. But I wouldn’t go so far as saying they’re “brilliant.”

Personally I think the writing got better because Rowling was growing as a writer. However, I think it’s almost too casual for my taste. I like a much deeper, more serious read, and I feel I don’t get that in HP.

I think your statement about movies is spot on, but I also think it applies to any movie being made into a book. Part of the experience of reading for me is what goes on in MY head, what I picture in MY mind from the words on the page.

My favorite genre would be mysteries, particularly P.D. James and Agatha Christie. They’re mastery of the English language is so fluid that you can’t help but get engrossed. James can craft description as any great authors I’ve read. I have to admit that, like most people, when I see an insanely long paragraph in a book, I’ll skim it. But with James, I KNOW I will appreciate the brilliance in that paragraph, so I read it.

I’m getting sort of OT here, so I’ll come back to HP. I definitely understand why people like Harry Potter…but I don’t see why they worship it.

by DCO'sfan on Jan 28, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You're the oldest 15 year old I've ever met

I mean that as a compliment.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jan 28, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Word

Oh, and DCO: you might wanna think about Stanford. For all the right reasons, plus the A’s will be landing somewhere even closer nearby soon (San Jose or the lower East Bay somewhere) — and you’ll never have to fight for tix!

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 28, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually do want to go to school in California, but I'm still debating whether I want to be so far away.

I like the east coast. California is a culture all on its own—that’s not necessarily a bad thing because in the “Age of Technology” as my history teacher calls it, we have the internet and cell phones so it’s next to impossible not to keep in touch with someone, well, if it’s mutual.

There’s no denying Stanford would be an awesome place to go, and it’s definitely something to think about, but it’s just that: I have to think about it.

After reading Moneyball it might be interesting to become a fan of the A’s, but I feel like it might be as frustrating as liking the Orioles. Of course, the reasons are complex and different, but I’m skeptical.

by DCO'sfan on Jan 28, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

“I feel like [A’s fandom] might be as frustrating as liking the Orioles.”

Ding-ding-ding! See, that’s the beauty part: you’ll already know how this brand of masochism works, and you’’ll be able to segue smoothly into Athletics Nation— and take it over, I hope. Those folks are a little uptight ‘n’ rule-happy over there, if memory serves.

Plus, wherever the A’s land, it won’t be at the Oakland-Alameda County Mausoleum (as the players call it). No, whatever it is won’t be OPACY— but c’mon, nothing else is.

As to schools: correct! Don’t just do something— stand there! Your job for at least a year is, as you’ve rightly perceived, to think.

UC Santa Cruz – which is where Lisa Simpson will probably go to college if she’s ever allowed to grow up— might really be worth a think, as a matter of fact. And yeah, Berserkely, certainly, has a lot to recommend it. I’ve already plugged Snodfart— which was as far as Chelsea Clinton could run, apparently, to get away from a stressful home environment involving two high-maintenance parents. Or something.

And the fact that I haven’t mentioned anything south of San Jose should not be taken prejudicially. Heh-heh.

Anyway, bang, there’s the starter’s gun— go ahead, get out there and THIMK.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 29, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Did you live there at any point?

You just seem to know a lot about A’s fandom.

I just realized that getting into college is really tough. My brother goes to a very advanced magnet school in Silver Spring, and he applied to Maryland. Maryland has, apparently, never rejected any of the students from that particular school. Today he got a rejection letter. Of course, I have to take into account the fact that my brother wasn’t a very good student. He also has very advanced math capabilities for a senior, but the problem is, with UMD’s huge engineering and math departments, they see a lot of students like my brother. Maryland has become very selective, but we were convinced that, because he was a magnet student, he would get in.

In any case, my family is in a state of distress after the rejection letter. I’m a much better student than him, and I also lean towards the humanities. The latter point may pose a problem later on because I’d like to go to a small liberal arts college—somewhere like Swarthmore or even Williams (although Williams seems a bit preppy to me). It’s always beneficial to look at bigger schools, but I have a fairly good idea of what kind of schools I want to look at.

I feel like my “resume” if you call call it that will look a lot better to colleges than my brother’s, but we’ll see. I still have two years to screw things up…

by DCO'sfan on Jan 30, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't plan to, but did 10 yrs in CA: college, grad school 1 and then 2 yrs of grad school 2

before interrupting the latter for a temp Foreign Service job over here, after which I stopped in DC on the way back— and decided hey, I think I’ll finish the last degree here. I was beginning to dislike the department back in CA, plus I’d actually started missing the…change of seasons.

Sorry about your brother, who must not be feeling too great about being his school’s First Ever Not To… That said, the experience could prove a very useful wake-up call. I didn’t get into my first choice and it made me, well, buckle down and rethink a bunch of things. It took some years, but in the end — and I’m not just saying this —it became clear that not getting into my no. 1 was actually the best thing that could have happened to me, the proverbial blessing in disguise.

‘Course, if you start telling your brother “This old guy on the Orioles blog said…”— you might not get through a compete sentence before he pops you one. I don’t know your brother, of course, but I do remember that I didn’t want to hear a lot of “sympathetic advice” at that particular juncture, as I was too busy being dissappointed and self-righteously cheesed off (largely about dimbulb classmates of mine who did get into my no. 1).

Anyway, what your brother needs to do is go to school no. 2, kick some academic arse for a change and then, if he’s still hot for College Park, transfer there. (If there isn’t a no. 2 in the picture at the moment, that’s OK: it’s only Feb. 1, there’ s still time to apply elsewhere). He might also want to consider a good JC, btw, and transfer from there after two yrs (of serious studying!). It can be a lot cheaper, and easier to co-ordinate with a job too (if he needs to work half-time, say).

But back to his rejection thing. When I taught h.s. I actually did several years in the college counselling ofc (as my obligatory extra-curric job), where I found out just what a crap shoot the whole admissions biz can really be. If your brother had a sense of this— that the admissions ofc people at colleges are not always the, um, sharpest knives in the drawer; and that a lot of semi-official deals are made w/ h.s. counselling offices that get some people into places while keeping others of equal ability out, based only on the numbers for a particular year and personal relations between the two offices (hey, these people have to work together over long periods)— he’d probably feel less like he’d been singled out. A lot of applicants get jobbed without knowing it; and a lot get “gifted”, also w/o knowing it. As I said, a crap shoot.

As for you, Ms. Small Liberal Arts School: while you’re busy thimking away there, you might toss Kenyon and Grinnell and a few others into the pot. But this is the beginning of another conversation, which we’ll save for another snowy day.

Oh, your parents will be getting a bill shortly for your brother’s advice [above] and your preliminary liberal arts school consultation. Sure, they’ll be upset at first— but trust me, it’ll seem like a terrific bargain when you get that scholarship to Bryn Mawr.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 31, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Naturally,

He’s upset, but my brother doesn’t show his feelings most of the time. He just said, “Oh,” and walked away. I’m sure he’s hurting a lot inside, but we’re pretty confident he’ll get into one of the smaller schools he’s looking at.

The head of the college counseling department at school has taken a liking to me because (and I quote), “You know more about colleges than any sophmore I have ever met.” I think the whole experience of having an older sibling applying to college, and especially the kind of places he’s looking at, has given me incentive to be a very good student so hopefully by senior year I’ll have options.

Funny you should mention Grinnell and Kenyon, because I attended the Kenyon Young Writers Workshop and enjoyed it thoroughly. And my parents mentioned Grinnell as it has a pretty exceptional writing program, and I looked it up. It is decidedly in the middle of nowhere, but it actually sounds really nice. My friend described it as, “Well, they’ll probably have an ice cream shop.” My dad also maintains that it doesn’t matter the town surrounding the college, and the culture of that town—what matters is the culture on campus and what you get out of college. There is certainly a lot of truth to that.

Anyway, my mom went to University of Pennsylvania, and the went to Bryn Mawr for social work school (eventually she ended up going back to Penn to get her law degree). She was told that the quality of Bryn Mawr has plummeted in recent years, but they’re trying to get back on their feet and regain their reputation. So, we’ll see.

by DCO'sfan on Jan 31, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Why am I not surprised to hear that you did the Kenyon Young Writers thing?

Or that you already know about Grinnell’s writing prog?

Bryn Mawr was just a name for a throw-away line, but yeah, the other two fit the profile. I can’t speak to how you deal with Grinnell’s middle-of-nowhere-ness, but I know some people who can, including a nephew who graduated from there last June. His final choice came down to Grinnell, WashU/St. Loo and Middlebury; he liked all three, visited all of them, and finally picked Grinnell over Midd (which he sensed was just a little to clique-oriented…and from my other-side-of-the-desk experience there, I think that was the right call for him). I don’t think Midd is what you’re looking for either, but it’s nice to contemplate Bread Loaf later on if your writing jones keeps on keepin’ on.

The neph took Chinese at Grinnell, spent his jr. year on their in-China program, and is now spending his first post-BA year over there again, teaching English. While he seems to enjoy that (which warms this English-teachin’ heart), I suspect that at some point— and probably v. soon— he will find that his combination of American citizenship, fluency in Chinese and in-country experience can command a really nice piece o’ change…and he’ll start commanding it. Or maybe not; hey, I’ve never worked in the extractive industries here, which is where many Americans with Russian skills (including my former students, of course) have made a bunch o’ dough.

Sorry, I’m wandering way OT here. The short version: if you’re still interested in figuring out how Grinnell people survive Iowa 18 mos. from now, just axe me and I’ll connect you and neph.

I also have a US friend here whose daughter finished Kenyon last June, so I’ll ask about it next time I’m over there. An old friend of mine taught there for many years (Russian, predictably) but it may take some doing to locate him now.

Now get back to your reading!

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 31, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

That's really exciting!

Thanks for all this advice. I’m sure my college counselor is really nice and all, but I haven’t actually gotten to talk to her about my situation—that’s reserved for juniors and seniors. My mom actually wanted to call her…

Anyway, I just finished a wonderful book called “Becoming Jane Eyre.” It a semi-biography about Charlotte Bronte’s life as she wrote Jane Eyre; the parallels, what was going on etc. etc. The writing technique is very interesting. She doesn’t use Charlotte’s name in the narration, rather Charlotte is always referred to as “she.” If anyone likes Jane Eyre, I think they’ll find it’s a good read. I enjoyed it, although it was depressing at times.

I’m now re-reading a book by John Green. He’s not the most eloquent writer, but his humor is biting and witty. His books are fun but have some darkness to them. He’s more for teens though…don’t you just love books that you can re-read over and over? I think that’s a mark of a good book!

by DCO'sfan on Jan 31, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

De nada

There’s plenty o’ time before you have to line up at the College Counselor’s door at school. In the meantime, there’s nothing that says you can’t look around yourself: your library will likely have a whole section of college guides and catalogues — there’s usually too much to store in the counselling office — and the online offerings of same are, of course, even more abundant and easier to use (as well as helpfully interactive in some cases).

So nose around— but remember that’s all it is, nosing. You’ve got other stuff to do that’s more important (I mean other than CC). But then, I have a sense you know that perfectly well.

Re book reviews and feedback: a lot of people, incl. h.s. students, post their reactions to books at Amazon.com. You can’t do it anonymously any more, alas, but you still might want to think about posting there if you don’t mind using your name on a public, heavy-traffic site.

I’ve actuallly had some interesting responses to some of my “book report” posts.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A2S9IKCN2Y74F0/ref=cm_aya_av.rev_rev.attrib?ie=UTF8&display=anonymous&sort_by=MostRecentReview

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 31, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh wow just saw this.

I know this sounds crazy (hey, I have a friend who’s at Dartmouth whe had been researching colleges since 7th grade) but I love reading my brother’s college books. I really love that book that’s compiled by Princeton University Press (I believe—I’m not sure what it’s called). They went to nearly every college in the country, interviewed students, and then gave a very easy to relate to summary of each college.

I have looked at some Amazon reviews but I’ve noticed that most of the time the reviews are very harsh or too nice—and these are books that have gotten a lot of praise from critics.

I noticed now that people can reply to reviews, but I haven’t gotten a chance to check that feature out.

by DCO'sfan on Feb 3, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I gotta tell ya Titov

I just love this picture:

http://www.carnegie.ru/en/staff/75054.htm

The expression on your face… it’s just a perfect fit for an Orioles fan. It’s as if the picture was taken right after, say, the Mother’s Day Massacre and you’re right on the cusp of cracking. I know I’ve had that look on my face many times.

by PhilR8 on Feb 3, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Oddly enough, that was taken right about MDM day, as a matter of fact— classic deer-in-the-headlights. Which is why I’ve moved into spy mode now:

http://www.mn.ru/columnists/20091012/55390114.html

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Feb 4, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Backdoor to UMd....

your brother could always do two years at a Md junior college that’s in the state system, and get an AA. UMd then HAS to accept him as a transfer student. Not necessarily into the college of engineering, but into UMd itself, but I’d have to imagine it would be a lot easier to get into the engineering school that way. Guaranteed matriculation – it’s the law.

And UMd is getting REALLY tough to get into. I couldn’t get in now with my HS transcript, and I breezed in back in ’86.

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Jan 31, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

My brother went to UMD 99-2004

and would not be accepted today. It’s a very recent change.

by PhilR8 on Jan 31, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually started in the late '80s

when they went from 36,000 to 24,000 undergrad students. Slowly but surely, they’ve been tightening up the requirements to get in.

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Jan 31, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting

it’s like the frog in the pot of boiling water or something.

by PhilR8 on Jan 31, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, my brother is proof.

The Blair magnet here in Silver Spring is one of the best programs in the country for math/science. As I said, my dad asked someone in admissions whether they had ever rejected a student from that magnet, and she said no. That makes it all the more surprising. But UMD has become really strong. They even have a field award winner on the math faculty. That’s impressive.

by DCO'sfan on Jan 31, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Final kibbitz on college: Despite what American thinks, You Aren't Where You Went

It’s what you frickin’ DO when you’re there…

http://www.sptimesrussia.com/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=25711

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Feb 1, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Just, uh, don't drink TOO much

Just sayin’.

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Feb 1, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what my sister did

She went to CCBC for two years and got accepted into the engineering school at MD. Just graduated this December.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jan 31, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

CC is where it's at, yo

I all but failed out of real school (Catholic U) retreated home to howard community, refocused and now I go to one of the top art schools in the country (at least that’s what they tell me) in Baltimore. I’m way way happier now than I was at CU.

I’m not sure that this is relevant at all. Woo books!

by Steve. on Jan 31, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

No-no, I only read parts of two early ones to my American godson (I have two Russian ones, the second acquired only last month,—and I’m certainly not going to read HP to either of them in translation). So what you say about the writing getting increasingly complex makes me wonder if I’ve short-changed JK.

You’re also right to raise the book/movie interaction issue, I think, since the effect of the latter on the former, as a series goes on, really can be delimiting, and sometimes in unpredictable ways: an actor’s interpretation can get into an author’s head and start writing the part by itself, so to speak, for upcoming book installments. This happened in the Inspector Morse series, I recall reading, as John Thaw sort of “took over” the Morse persona from Colin Dexter…

In any case, I have nothing but good to say about Rowling, in the end: she stuck with it through 15 (or something) publisher rejections and made a huge whompin’ sack o’ dough without writing down to her audience or churning out silly, barely-disguised movie scripts for novels (a la Dan Brown, author of the, groan, 5th most popular book in the history of books, apparently, the Duh Vinci Code).

And finally, here’s to the Pete Best of publishing— Rowling’s husband, who aparently divorced her right before the HP franchise went jackpot. Hee-hee.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 28, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know what you're talking about when you say sauce...:P

But my dad started reading HP to me when I was little, and I have to admit I liked them. But I started to lose interest in the fantasy genre so that may have contributed to my dislike of Harry Potter, and, though I can see why people like it, it’s still over-hyped in my mind.

And thankS!

by DCO'sfan on Jan 28, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

If any of this ever lands on a burger in your vicinity, dial 911

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_Sauce

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 28, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Sony reader fits me very nicely.

Had it 2+ years and it’s probably paid for itself just from reading books from Project Gutenberg.

Sony & Kindle stores also offer a free selection of books every month or so and that’s a great way to find new authors. Generally it’ll be the first of a series, but free is still free.

Somehow managed to miss yesterday’s discussion.. was that in the open thread?

by mpire on Jan 28, 2010 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah

Inspired by the introduction of Apple’s iPad and what it means for other devices, like the Kindle. I was talking smack on the iPad and defending e-ink, while zknower drank the kool-aid and kba was left feeling strangely indifferent.

by PhilR8 on Jan 28, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Right on.

Defending e-ink is something that gets my nerd rage up lately :)
After a quick spin through it’s probably a good thing I missed that one.

by mpire on Jan 28, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Strangely indifferent

Thats pretty much the perfect way to describe my feelings about the iPad (besides the name, i think its a really stupid name).

by kba26 on Jan 28, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Expand the room.

Even though the other platforms are great, there is something that I love about a huge room of books.

I could pour over the titles of a room like that for hours. And there is nothing better than finding an old gem mixed within the stacks. Even if the print is hard to read (by our current standards). I found such an edition at my grandparent’s house. I found turn of the century edition of one of John Wesley’s books. Seeing the names written in the front and stains on the binding makes it a joy to read, even if it’s in the old type set where an “s” looks like an “f.”

On top of that I just love being able to sit and read with pen in hand underlining and writing in the margins.

When I read something online I can’t tell you how far down the page it is or exactly what link I clicked to get there, but if I’m reading a book and I need to find something I can often pinpoint which side of the page, how far down, and what paragraph without much trouble.

Having and reading books helps my memory in ways that I find reading online doesn’t. Maybe I’m just crazy but you’ve got to keep as many as possible.

Keep the books and pass on the library.

by Gorilla Bird on Jan 28, 2010 5:52 PM EST reply actions  

Your point about spatial memory — where something was on a page — rings a bell with me for sure. There’s something about the, hmm, environment of a dead-tree page, I guess, that engages a certain area of my brainpan and makes (or helps) it retain information that a screen doesn’t. I think it can be identical stuff — the same info in the same typeface — but I still will recall less of it from a screen viewing.

This may or may not be related to another visual-spatial thing: I retain much more of a text set in a page environment that features lines whose beginnings and ends are simultaenously perceptible by my peripheral vision, as opposed to a text whose lines are too long for that — as was the case with a Civ book I remember from college: it was a bound typescript on strange-sized paper, and you literally had to turn your head slightly to read a complete line of it. El braino just didn’t like things that way, even if the content was interesting.

Hey, that’s a good one: who remembers anything interesting in freshman Civ?!?

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 29, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I teach HS history

and I couldn’t tell you anything interesting from Civ class in 9th grade in 1982.

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Jan 29, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

that's a good point

I have never thought about being able to see the whole sentence aiding memory but I think you’re right, though I’m not certain because most of the books in my discipline (and those I read for pleasure) are not really “text-book” sized.

Sure I can’t remember anything from my large western civ book in college but that might be because I didn’t find it that interesting. I mean my Greek texts were small and I can’t remember any of that material either.

I also find that writing in the margins and underlining helps my retention. Even if these readers like the ipad or kindle have ways of “highlighting” a certain portion of text I somehow doubt it will have the same effect on my retention.

by Gorilla Bird on Jan 29, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

I found early on that the my most effective study habit was to write/rewrite my notes several times over, because not only was I re-reading the notes each time, but also going through the hand-motion of writing them. Time consuming, a little tedious, but effective.

by PhilR8 on Jan 29, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Technically

AP Government was sophomore year but the only interesting thing was my friend always eating a garlic bagel with peanut butter just to piss off my other friend with the smell.

Also Elijah Cummings visited.

by Steve. on Jan 30, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a fascinating post

I’m still trying to wrap my head around the idea of having some kind of ancestral family library. I’m with Stacey here: you lead an interesting life!

Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008

by Eat More Esskay on Jan 28, 2010 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

As a native Eastern Shoreman

I’m impressed you had family that could read in the 1930s.

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Jan 29, 2010 7:35 AM EST up reply actions  

lol! Wait, Frank Perdue could read, right?

‘Course, I strategically failed to mention great Uncle Sidney P.Titov, the illiterate alcoholic felon who was thrown out of the family in 1935 after a tragic buffet-table assault and didn’t stop running til he got to some island off S. America on a primitive Jet-Ski. Good thing he never reproduced!

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 29, 2010 8:08 AM EST up reply actions  

ahahahah Titov

you are a hoot.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jan 29, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and I also left out the Titov family Sawx fenz — whose genetic provenance is, how to put it, re-e-e-e-eally suspect. I mean, where do these people come from?

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 29, 2010 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Having a family library really is a cool thing, space and maintenance problems notwithstanding. Nobody planned it, of course; the thing just grew organically — and then started sprawling the same way over recent decades, which is why we decided we had to have a Family Librarian. My campaign slogan was an inspirational “OK, if nobody else’ll do it…” Needless to say, I won in a landslide.

I figured I owed at least this much to great-grandad and to the place generally: I stay there for months at a time in the summer, rent free, natch. It’s idyllic Pennsylvania countryside (I can remember carrying cans of milk past the frog pond on the way back home from the farm down the road as a kid) — and the perfect place to decompress and detox yourself after 9 mos. in Moscow.

That may change soon, alas, since there’s a new x-factor at work now, an intrusion into the little Grandma Moses-scenic valley we’re in that may change the whole ball game: in two words, Marcellus shale. People all around us have leased their property to the nat’l gas drillers — who are neither altruists nor tidy neighbors — and the hydrofracking may become an extremely noisy interruption of several years duration in the Estate’s quiet-ever-since-1931 rural ambiance. And the family itself is also deeply split on whether we should lease our little 11 acres along with everybody else in the valley (literally) or stay out of it on anti-fossil-fuel-depletion (or other environmental) grounds.

But it hasn’t happened yet, so we’re all still keeping out fingers crossed that Chesapeake will ultimately decide not to use the land they’ve leased in our valley.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 29, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

shale

the same thing is happening back around where my parents live in rural western PA. When I go back home the beauty and nature rejuvenates me but now every back road I travel all I see is these blasted gas wells.

I suppose I can’t be too upset since the area is dying and this might be the only thing that will help support the folks in the area.

by Gorilla Bird on Jan 29, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

same thing's happening in the Catskills

….and threatens to pretty much poison the water supply.

Opt out!

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Jan 29, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and speaking of great reads: RIP J.D. Salinger (1919-2010)

I’m halfway through my column for Feb. 9 already, a Salinger homage telling the story of how Russians came to love “The Catcher in the Rye” almost as much as we have (and do). It was translated in the Soviet period, see— that’s right, the Commies translated it — and it just took off, eventually becoming an obligatory stop on everybody’s walk through the adolescent literary landscape.

There was a huge scandal here last year when a new, post-Soviet translation of “Catcher” came out— with more literal renditions of Holden’s R- and X-rated vocabulary! Suddenly “crap” was “crap” instead of “stuff”…and that’s a mild example, of course, for this Family Baseball Blog.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 29, 2010 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

RIP

Great book, great author. My dad read another one of his books—I’ll have to ask him which one—and he said he liked it better than Catcher in the Rye. I might take a look.

by DCO'sfan on Jan 29, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure.

I think it started with an “S”. I’ll have to ask. And never trust wikipedia, they don’t even have the book you just mentioned.

by DCO'sfan on Jan 30, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I love the sound of TAEotBotS

Sounds like a great place to spend a week.

"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic

by zknower on Jan 29, 2010 10:14 PM EST reply actions  

It really is— or has been, rather, for the period 1931-2009. Gas drilling may make it problematic starting as early as this summer: disruptive excavations, pump noise, potential water polution, big-truck traffic and road damage, crime-rate rise (the influx of hard-drinkin’, high-snortin’ gas-industry wildcatters who work long shifts and then Ponson-relax)— it’s all very discouraging.

NY State has apparently done much better than PA in *pre*regulating the gas industry, i.e. requiring it to meet certain EPA standards before exploitation— standards that PA stupidly voted exemptions for (guess what— lobbying works).

On the other hand, Gorilla B is right: this has been an economically depressed area for decades — the family farming I remember from my childhood ceased to be a viable way of life long ago — and it’s hard to tell people “Wait, let’s let government bureaucrats [EPA] do a bunch of rule-making ‘n’ stuff for a few years instead of letting folks like you, who have been struggling to make ends meet and pay the property taxes on acreage you can’t economically farm, lease your land for sizeable fees over a multi-year period, including a percentage of the take if the well(s) on your property prove really productive.”

Our family’s internal dispute has been the most discouraging part of it all, the kind of ugly squabble you may recall from Dickens’ “Bleak House” — the bitter Jarndyce vs. Jarndyce case that is eventually resolved only by the discovery that the fortune being contested has been entirely dissipated by the legal costs of the case itself!

So far our legal fees haven’t been that great (two consultations with a specialty gas-lease lawyer) and the $ in question isn’t that big in any event (our 11 acres could bring $50 K-plus or something at signing), but the argument of the family pro-lease people is tough to counter: at this point all our valley neighbors have signed leases (at varying rates over the years), so whether we sign a lease or not, we’re still going to suffer all the consequences (noise, possible polution, etc), either directly (from horizontal effects on our property that we can’t control) or indirectly (from wells close to us coming on line)— so why on earth should we not take the $50K, which we could use either for the Estate endowment/improvement/general fund (best case) or for post-Chesapeake clean-up (worst case— the drilling company f*cks up the valley big-time, but financial relief via litigation takes years or decades (you think the gas industry has any sharp lawyers?) But the pro-side’s clincher, in any case, may be: we can sign a lease (it is alleged) that specifies no dilling on our property itself.

The anti-side points out, in turn, that neither $ now nor $ later (via litigation) is the real point in all this. To them it’s simple: are we for fossil fuel depletion? Do we want to be partnered with an earth-exploiting, quick-profits industry that doesn’t give a sh*t about what ultimately happens in and to our Valley and more than General Motors or somebody does?

So there we are, Titovs yelling at Titovs. Everybody’s “right”, of course. And great grand-dad— a Methodist clergyman who cashed in his life insurance policy in ’31 upon retirement and bought the place as something to leave the whole family in perpetutity— is no doubt greatly saddened, wherever he is, to see us throwing verbal bricks at each other, especially after so many years of good-spirited family live-and-let live.

Still, if/when this great bloody mess ever blows over, TAEotBotMS (it should be “Mighty” Susquehanna, I forgot) would indeed be a great place for a CC get-together. I and lots of other family have hosted friends at the place before— it’s part of the tradition, in fact. (I even had a Russian friend visit one summer, a historian with a short-term rsch grant at the Woodrow Wilson Ctr; he’s still something of a legend among the locals, and several of my cousins later visited him in Moscow when they came over on a tour— our little contribution to Int’l Peace ‘n’ Friendship).

I mean, we’d have to ask duck to keep the boombox volume down when playing Metallica, but other than that, it’s all pretty free-form, come-as-U-R. And of course, the field behind the big house is a great soft ball venue. Ah, many’s the time I’ve stepped to the plate, adjusted my O’s cap, spat demonstratively toward some wretched Sawx-fen Titov on the mound, pointed with my left hand to the stand of trees beyond left field and…gone down swinging.

But hey, I’ve caught a-holt of a few, too. Which is what I seem to remember most from the games of my chidhood. Go figure.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jan 30, 2010 3:33 AM EST up reply actions  

ahahahaha! Thx doc, good one!

A few yrs ago in the July annual N. PA. Miss Dairy Festival pageant, one of the contestants listed under Favorite Hobby not “quliting” or “reading” or another of the traditional favorites, but…“talking.” I saw that and thought yeah, some sort of bridge has been crossed. Or we’ve leaped off it.

On the other hand, Nice rack! Er, cough-cough, pardon my French.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Feb 3, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

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