Tuesday Bird Droppings
by Camden Chat on Jan 5, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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Connolly: Three teams talking to Mora
According to his agent, three teams have expressed interest in Melvin Mora. I had sort of hoped he might retire. Interesting that one of the teams interested is the Rockies, as they just released the guy who will replace Mora in Baltimore. -Stacey
Matusz named to Jim Callis' All-Prospect Team
Callis lists Matusz as the 2nd best starter on his all prospect team behind Stephen Strasburg. Not too shabby. -Stacey
Inbox: What will rotation look like?
Spencer Fordin takes questions from the mailbag on the rotation, shortstop, Mike Gonzalez, and Scott Moore. -Stacey
Baltimore Orioles: Draft Review
FanGraphs reviews the O's drafts 2006-2009. -Stacey
Mark Hendrickson update
The O's and Hendo still heart each other, but a deal isn't imminent. -Stacey
Reports: Red Sox Sign Adrian Beltre
The Red Sox have signed 3B Adrian Beltre to a 1 year, $10M deal with a $5M player option for 2011. It's a very Red Sox friendly deal I'd say, and nothing like it was rumored that Beltre was asking for. Before you get all, "But we could have had him!" ask yourself if you honestly think Beltre would have taken the same deal from the Orioles. -Stacey
Finalists for Frick Award announced | MLB.com: News
"The 10 finalists for the 2010 Ford C. Frick Award were announced on Monday, a slate of beloved baseball broadcasters that consists of Billy Berroa, Skip Caray, Tom Cheek, Jacques Doucet, Lanny Frattare, Graham McNamee, Jon Miller, Joe Nuxhall, Herb Score and Dave Van Horne." -duck
Roundup: Cards closing in on Holliday? | MLB.com: News
"The Cardinals have reportedly discussed a multitude of offers with Holliday's agent, Scott Boras, ranging from five to eight years, and an unnamed source told the Post-Dispatch a contract within the six- or seven-year range would be most desirable." -duck
Touching Base: Danys Baez is Brad Lidge insurance - NY Daily News
"Even though Brad Lidge had a strong playoff run after going 0-8 with a 7.21 ERA in the regular season, the Phillies' reported signing of Danys Baez to a two-year deal amounts to a certain measure of insurance in case Lidge falters again this season." -duck
And finally, in former Orioles news, John Parrish and Brian Burres have both signed minor league deals; Parrish signed with the Royals and Burres with the Pirates. -Stacey
Nobody does this to the United States. The President will get his baseball glove back and play catch with this guy's Open Thread!
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AJ wasn't happy about that Beltre signing
According to his twitter he’s a big fan of Beltre.
Maybe he wanted MacPhail to sign him up. Would have been nice for the same contract he signed.
AJ needs to worry about
not tripping over first base and missing the last month of the season, not where Adrian Beltre is playing.
Jamie Foxx lookin’ fool!
“ask yourself if you honestly think Beltre would have taken the same deal from the O’s”
according to the Boston Herald: “Beltre turned down more money from at least two teams – he had a four-year offer early in free agency and then a three-year deal for roughly the same annual value as the deal the Red Sox offered – but he chose Boston with an eye on having a big year for a contender and then hitting the market again next year.”
Well he took a discount for sure to play for a contender
I wouldn’t expect him to take the same deal from the O’s, and a 3 year deal at that discount rate is an even worse deal for him. I’d have been OK with giving him 2/20ish, but common knowledge was that he would have scoffed at that offer. It sucks that we have to face him and he’s getting basically Mora money.
Didn’t the M’s offer arbitration? He should have taken that if so. And a $5M player option? Like there’s any chance he’ll take that unless he’s injured for most of the season.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
He can rebuild his value better at Fenway
since its such a vastly more hitter-friendly park than Seattle. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Beltre having a good year and then signing a 4 year 44 million deal next winter for some team.
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
He can rebuild his value better at Fenway
Sure. But Boras is usually all about the highest annual salary. Arbitration was his best bet.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Yeah but it was a bet
Boras client Jason Varitek gambled against arbitration last year and ended up taking a pay cut as well.
another bird dropping
Top Ten O’s prospects from fangraphs
Weird list. Britton seems low in comparison to other lists and Patton’s inclusion is puzzling.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
I don't have any problems with it
the only strong argument you can make is that Britton is a better prospect than Erbe, but Erbe’s more advanced, so I’ll buy it. Most of the Orioles’ strength right now lies in the lower levels, so by the time we’re getting around to number 7-10, I’m not too wowed by anybody, so I can see the justification for sticking Patton back in there (he does, after all, have a chance to be a major league starting pitcher still). It’s a good top five, though even if you want to quibble a little bit about the exact ordering (beyond number 1, of course).
"I like baseball, movies, good clothes, whiskey, fast cars ... and you. What else you need to know?"
It isn't that puzzling
Patton was a top starting prospect before tearing his labrum and did excellently in AA before getting knocked around late in the year in AAA. Obviously, he’ll need to continue improving his arm strength and his injury risk is higher, but he’s essentially the same pitcher he was when we traded for him.
They actually put Patton in there?
Wow.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 5, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Should be
3. Britton/Arrieta
4. Britton/Arrieta
5. Erbe
Erbe’s control issues and injury-prone past earn him the 5 spot.
I know there's a few Caps fans on here
I’ve heard form a couple places that the Nat’l Mall could host next year’s Winter Classic, what do you think of that? The could/should play the Penguins, which would be highly cool and they could sell the Crosby/Ovechkin like crazy.
Don't give up, don't ever give up. - Jim Valvano
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Jan 5, 2010 4:58 PM EST reply actions
that would be pretty awesome...
in theory, though, i feel like it would end up being 55 degrees and rainy. i like the idea of it being c-c-c-cold!
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
wow. i thought we were going to make a move from the weeds. /snark
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
market developing...
so, are all the big pieces off the board now? lackey, bay, holliday, beltre?
"If they pitch to you, make them pay."
--Diamond Dave to the Phenom
no
melvin mora has yet to land.
"I doubt he could reach [second base]...mostly cuz his fucking arm was in Aybar's nuts." – twistedlogic
He'll always fly in our hearts
Probably rounding third base, running through a stop sign on the way to being thrown out at the plate.
Cry havoc and unleash the Esskay hot dogs of war! - The Wayward Oriole, Opening Day 2008
by Eat More Esskay on Jan 5, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
he'll be bunting his way into our hearts.
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.
Sort of, but not really.
Shanahan is an experienced head coach who’s had absurd success (Elway might have carried him some, but he turned about 4 different guys into star running backs after being middle-to-late round draft picks) and was an effective offensive coordinator before being a head coach. Zorn had never even been an offensive coordinator.
Also a great QB only gets you so far. How many rings does Marino have?
ehhh
Middle to late round RBs are good all the time. At least for a couple fo years…like Shanahan has had. Willie Parker comes to mind right off the bat. And Zorn was a stretch. But pick any other handful of coaches…how about Holmgren? He’s better than Shanahan and I think they are similar in that QBs carried them. Jason Garrett is an effective O-Coordinator too. Just sayin’.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
are you trying to say that Jason Garrett
isn’t better than Shanahan as an O Coordinator?
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
Also a great QB only gets you so far. How many rings does Marino have?
Well, I can’t stand Elway and his big teeth so I’d take Marino.
Oh, and Peyton Manning’s done OK.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
huh?
Is your point that good QBs CAN win a superbowl? Because I didn’t say anything against that theory…
Uh...no actually I didn't.
You implied that Shanahan was only successful as a coach because of his QB. I responded that an awesome QB doesn’t get the job done. Where in the world do I say that an awesome QB can’t win a superbowl?
I do not think Shanahan is all that great of a coach.
That’s my point.
And with Snyder in control I really don’t think it will matter who is there.
Don't let the sunshine fool ya. - Townes Van Zandt
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