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DiamondView: 2009 Baltimore Orioles - an illuminating look at how the starting lineup for the birds made another disappointing year an inevitablity.

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I was looking forward to your article on the Orioles

Because I’d enjoyed the other so much, but I was disappointed. Not in the results because what are you going to do, but by your assumption that one season’s worth of data makes the Orioles outfield a defensive liability. It seems short sighted coming from BtB, especially given Markakis’ and Jones’ numbers in 2008, and considering that you didn’t mention Felix Pie at all. Calling Adam Jones a “good back up player” was just the icing on the cake of my disappointment.

by Stacey on Jan 7, 2010 5:38 PM EST reply actions  

can somebody explain this?

i’ve never seen this before. how do you read it?

by joet on Jan 8, 2010 11:05 PM EST reply actions  

There is an entire article that goes with it

Found here: http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/1/7/1237669/diamondview-2009-baltimore-orioles

I’m not sure why he decided to only post one picture instead of the entire link. Beyond the Boxscore is doing this exercise for every team and just completed the AL East. You can find all of the articles over there, and this one explains how Diamondview works: http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/9/16/1032763/introducing-diamondview-composite

by Stacey on Jan 9, 2010 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

He picks one player that he feels represents the team

as far as strengths and weaknesses. From the starting 9 that are analyzed, anyway.

I registered some of my complaints over at BtB. I get tired of people who don’t understand the team making blanket statements based on advanced stats. But I understand you can’t follow every team, and the O’s don’t have any real representation in stat land. I’d love to setup a retrosheet based SQL db, but I just don’t have time .

Our baserunning sucked last year, but according to eqbrr, averaged over 9 starters, we’re just below average. Removing Pie and Pigginton did wonders apparently.

by CoachOfEarl on Jan 9, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

i knew roberts wasnt the greatest defensive 2b in the league but a 21?? wow. unsettling stuff. im not saying get rid of the guy, but maybe we should bring in a defensive substitute for those late-game leads.

http://draftdayencyclopedia.wordpress.com/
check it out, great draft blog.

by danielreese05 on Jan 10, 2010 9:38 PM EST reply actions  

I'm guessing he'll bounce back defensively next year.

A few reasons:

1. I’m under the impression that they just used single-season UZR for that rating. It’s likely that he had a down year, but it doesn’t reflect his true defensive skill (he’s a slightly above-average defensive 2B over his career to date).

2. His range was unusually bad this year. I can’t see it being that bad again next year, though it may stay negative in UZR terms. His RngR (runs above average re: range) was -7.5 last year, which is the worst rating he’s had since 2004, when it was -3.4. For 2005-2008, his RngR was at least zero, and an average of 2.5. So I think it’s reasonable to hope that his range will be back around league-average in 2010, or at worst, slightly below, if age is indeed starting to slow him down.

3. His below-average defense for 2007-2008, which before this season is what people usually pointed at when they said he’s a below-average defender, is entirely due to a negative DPR (runs above average re: turning double plays). Those years are also the only ones in which he had a particularly poor DPR. I don’t know how it’s calculated, but I would have to think that the crappy shortstops on the team in those years didn’t help his rating there. (Tejada’s really not very good defensively according to UZR, and the others were just bad all around.) With Cesar Izturis at SS, Roberts had an average DPR (0.0).

So, if Roberts is about average in DPR again next year since Cesar will still be at SS, has a bit of a bounceback in RngR, and doesn’t suddenly make a ton of errors, he could easily be an average or better defender next year. It’s also worth noting that he was battling colds for much of the year, which can’t have helped his range.

Weaver's Fourth Law: Your most precious possessions on offense are your twenty-seven outs.

by Vuff on Jan 10, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

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