Way back in the 2005/2006 off-season, SC spent the off-season writing profiles on the players he believed to be the top 40 players in Orioles history. It's good stuff, check it out.
In December 2007 he made some amendments to his list, adding Brian Roberts at #39 (which sadly bumped Jeff Conine off the list. Don't worry, Niner, you're still Mr. Marlin) and upgrading Miguel Tejada from #39 to #23.
The following off-season, SC made a few more changes, bumping Brian Bob to #34 (he jumped in front of Roberto Alomar, Harold Baines, Mike Boddicker, B.J. Surhoff, and Tippy Martinez) and Melvin Mora up one spot to #28, ahead of Steve Barber.
With Camden Chat changing hands last season there were no updates, but I thought the time had come to remedy that. I have never spent any time formulating my own top Orioles list, and it's probable that if I did, SC and I would disagree with a few. I'm not going to change the order of any of SC's rankings except to reposition the active players that deserve a different (or initial) place on the list thanks to recent achievements.
I need your help, however. As a group we are wise (sometimes. Sometimes we're just nutters). Take a look at the players I consider adding and players on the list I consider moving and let me know where you think they belong.
Here is the current list as determined by SC in October 2008:
|40. Gregg Olson||20. Mark Belanger|
|39. Roberto Alomar||19. Stu Miller|
|38. Harold Baines||18. Al Bumbry|
|37. Mike Boddicker||17. Gus Triandos|
|36. B.J. Surhoff||16. Doug DeCinces|
|35. Tippy Martinez||15. Paul Blair|
|34. Brian Roberts||14. Milt Pappas|
|33. Dick Hall||13. Rafael Palmeiro|
|32. Rick Dempsey||12. Bobby Grich|
|31. Hoyt Wilhelm||11. Mike Cuellar|
|30. Mike Flanagan||10. Ken Singleton|
|29. Steve Barber||9. Brady Anderson|
|28. Melvin Mora||8. Dave McNally|
|27. Scott McGregor||7. Mike Mussina|
|26. Luis Aparicio||6. Boog Powell|
|25. Don Buford||5. Frank Robinson|
|24. Chris Hoiles||4. Eddie Murray|
|23. Miguel Tejada||3. Jim Palmer|
|22. Jim Gentile||2. Brooks Robinson|
|21. Davey Johnson||1. Cal Ripken, Jr.|
Since the last update in October 2008, there have been two full seasons to evaluate players for the list. Of the players who filled the O's rosters in 2009 and 2010, three of them (Brian Roberts, Melvin Mora, Miguel Tejada) are already on the list. Of the other sixty-four players (or in some cases, "players") who made an appearance for the team in those two years, I have, with all of my wisdom, determined that a conversation should be had for Nick Markakis and Jeremy Guthrie.
Nick Markakis - Markakis has now played five seasons and 786 games as an Oriole. Some of us have been disappointed with his career trends, but he is a solid baseball player who has put up solid numbers for the Orioles since 2006. His ranks 27th all time for games played as an Oriole, 22nd on the all time O's list for HR, 16th in hits, and 11th in doubles. In the non-statistical department, Nick has the distinction of coming along at a time when Orioles fans really needed someone to have hope in. He has made Maryland his year round home and despite a lack of personality has become a fan favorite. I personally believe that Nick belongs on the 40 greatest list and hope he spends the next several years moving up the ranks. Nick's Baseball-Reference page
Jeremy Guthrie - When the Orioles plucked Guthrie off of the waiver wire before the 2007 season it was without much fanfare and without many expectations. Guthrie was a first round draft pick but never put it together in Cleveland. He began his Orioles career in the bullpen and only got a chance in the rotation due to injury, but since being given the opportunity he hasn't let go. He pitched 190 innings in 2008 and 200 in 2009 and 2010. His ERA with the Orioles over four seasons is 4.06. It's a stretch to even mention Guts for this list I suppose, but if any pitcher is close, it's him. Guts' Baseball-Reference page
Brian Roberts - Since Roberts was ranked at #34 in October 2008, he has played 218 more games as an Oriole. Last season he hit 56 doubles and became just the fourth player to do so in three different seasons in baseball history. He now tops 1000 games played as an Oriole with 1194, good for 12th most in O's history. Provided he has even a halfway decent season next year he will pass Rick Dempsey and Melvin Mora in that category. The only three Orioles with more doubles than Brian Roberts are in the Hall of Fame, and for good measure he's 7th in O's history with 33 triples. Always good at getting on base, Brian's 538 career walks are 8th best in Orioles history, and only Brady Anderson has stolen more bases. He had a disappointing season, but should still be moved up at least a few notches on the leader board, don't you think? Brian's Baseball-Reference page
Melvin Mora - We closed the books on Melvin Mora the Baltimore Oriole after the 2009 season, and when it was all said and done Melvin had played 10 years for the O's. He is in the top 10 of nearly every offensive category you can think of and he had what is probably the single best season by an Orioles third baseman in 2004. He finished his Orioles career having played 1256 games (10th) with a hitting line of .280/.355/.438 with 158 home runs (9th), 1323 hits (10th), 252 doubles (7th), and 465 walks (10th). He annoyed us a lot, he made us happy quite often, and for better or worse, Melvin Mora is one of the greatest Orioles. Melmo's Baseball-Reference page
Miguel Tejada - Since the last ranking, Miggi played one half of a substandard year for the Orioles in 2010. SC ranked him as the 23rd greatest Oriole before that. Does this season have any affect? Read what SC had to say about about Miggi here and here. Miggi's Baseball-Reference page
So what say you, Camden Chatters? Do Nick Markakis and Jeremy Guthrie deserve spots on this list? If so, where? If not, why not? What do they need to do to get there?
And what of Brian Bob, Memlo, and Miggi? How many places, if any, should the move on the list?