Thursday Bird Droppings
by Stacey on Oct 28, 2010 8:19 AM EDT
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PrintQuestion of the Day: So far the bulk majority of our pre-offseason conjecture has been saved for the infield and the pitching staff, but it is an unfortunate fact that the Orioles were also 28th in run production out of left field. The "main" left fielder in 2009 was Felix Pie who at age 25 hit .268/.300/.414. Are you still a Pie believer, or should the Orioles be looking somewhere else (Reimold, free agency) for their starting left fielder? -Andrew
You can read recaps of the Giants 11-7 win over the Rangers at McCovey Chronicles and Lone Star Ball (ok so LSB's isn't exactly a recap).
Orioles release 2011 spring training schedule - baltimoresun.com
First ST game: February 28th. It can't come soon enough!
School of Roch: Matusz endorses Kranitz's return
Apparently Matusz's improvement over the last part of the season had to do with Rick Kranitz or maybe his entrance music. Who knows?
Steve Melewski: When will Jeremy Guthrie get some respect?
Melewski implores you to recognize Guts for the stud he is.
Connor a top candidate for O's pitching coach | orioles.com: News
Per Britt Ghiroli, Mark Connor is the leading candidate for the pitching coach job. Plus a lot of crap about Kranitz and Girardi.
Orioles Insider: Throw Barnett into Orioles’ hitting coach mix
Another name for possible hitting coach: Mike Barnett, who has been in the Astros system for the past two years.
Behind the Mic presented by Allstate - Ripken on Commissioner - SI.com
(VIDEO). If Cal was commissioner, he'd correct the imbalanced schedule—there would still be an emphasis on intra-division games, but nowhere near as many as there are now. He'd also add another wild card team to create a one-game sudden death play-in game; and he'd forbid home plate umps to call check swings. Ok, then. -zk
Top 111 Free Agents: Nos. 70-51 | HardballTalk
53. Koji Uehara (Orioles – Age 35) ..."If he can stay healthy, Uehara could be one of the league’s best setup men for the next couple of years. I expect the Red Sox to make a bid, and the Yankees may well get involved here as well." -NOOOOO!!!!! You can't have our Koji! -duck
And I've learned something, too. I've learned that a flawless profile, a perfect body, the right clothes, and a great car can get you far in Open Threads - almost to the top - but it can't get you everything.
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Actually, I think the final score was 11-7.
You can read recaps of the Giants 11-5 win over the Rangers at McCovey Chronicles and Lone Star Ball (ok so LSB’s isn’t exactly a recap).
haha oops
I guess I stopped paying attention when it was 11-5.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
by Stacey on Oct 28, 2010 8:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would read the comments
But I think all those comments would make my computer go boom.
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 28, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe
I still like him more as a fourth. But I am content to give it one more go with he and Reimold as relative third point fives.
The over/under on comments before somebody calls you know who you know what is about 30.
That was an atrociously played baseball game last night
not befitting of the World Series.
But it’s good to know that Aubrey Huff is still – STILL! – getting thrown out at second on (I presume) failed hit-and-runs.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
I saw that
And cursed many times. Why would anybody think a huffinator hit and run is a good idea?
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Oct 28, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
it's like a joke my pastor used to tell
about the armed masked bandit you runs into a crowded church waving a gun and yelling “Anybody who’s not willing to die for God, get out!”, and then when those who are gonna leave leave, the bandit pulls off his mask, revealing himself to be the preacher all along and says “Well, now, let’s have church!”
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Please speak freely about Felix
Just remember that the two people who love him most in the world are the person who runs this site and the person with all the guns.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Charlton Heston? I thought he was dead!
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Can zombies use guns?
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 28, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
by the way, did they ever pry the gun from his cold dead hands?
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
I need to get back in Stacey's good graces,
so I completely agree with her.
Huff continues to dominate.
And he loves Baltimore.
so
Here’s an article, along with an 83 second video from the Wall Street Journal talking about Huff’s rally thong.
If that's true about Koji
then that at least means the Orioles should almost certainly offer arbitration.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
It's win-win
If he accepts, we keep one of the best late-inning guys in the AL.
If he refuses and signs elsewhere, we get a pick, depleting that teams’d draft, yes?
Works for me.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
sandwich pick, doesn't deplete other team
but yes – very much win win
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Darn it
I wanted them to get worse, too.
Oh, well, a sandwhich pick is still Top 40…
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
Agree that we should offer Koji arbitration.
Sounds very much like a win-win. A sandwich pick would be a good thing to have. Keeping Koji would also be a good result. I love to watch him pitch.
I think we give Felix one more shot.
He seemed to regress a bit this year… mostly because he forgot how to take a walk. But he still hasn’t gotten to play for a full season in his career, thanks to bench-warming and injuries. If he plays LF for 140+ games this year and doesn’t put together a solid season (something like .280/.330/.450 with plus defense), then sadly, the experiment may need to end — or he’s at least relegated to fourth OF. But unless we somehow sign Werth or Crawford, I think we should run Felix out there again in 2011.
Fact of the day: Matt Wieters (887) has had more major-league PAs than Felix Pie (878).
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
do you think - and I suspect the answer will be YES!
that bringing in Rick Down (my choice) or whoever else instead of The Crow is going to be a noticeable help to this endeavor, or at least something worth considering?
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
okay, but that is not what I asked
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Maybe?
I really don’t know how much it matters. Pie certainly thinks Crowley helped him a lot, and if there are common drills that Felix struggled to do before the Crow worked with him, then it would seem that the hitting coach actually helped. But then, what hitting coach wouldn’t work hard with a player on common drills once said player became willing to work harder?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
What players think is highly overrated.
The guys all loved DT…
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
Players also think Phiten necklaces actually help them play better
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
it's totally worth looking like a douche in that case!
I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8
I thought hitting coaches didn't matter?
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
i've upgraded my opinion to agnostic
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
they obviously CAN matter with certain situations
It obviously depends on the coach’s analytical skills, the player’s receptiveness, and what the player is doing wrong.
But the Derek Jeter story this past September is a good example. (Warning, ugly picture of Derek Jeter).
He was mired in a slump, having hit .168 over a period of four weeks. Yankees coach Kevin Long approached him about working on it and Jeter took a day off with the coach to study video, change something he was doing with his foot, and take 300 swings in the batting cage with his new stance.
He hit .342 for the rest of the season.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
well, sure, but that could have just been him coming out of a slump
it’s tough to separate what the coach did and the rest of the stuff.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
it's clear in this case that the day of work was what made the difference
no one here can convince me that a player who has
- batted .168 for a month, then
- takes a day off, changes his stance, and puts in a shitload of reps in the new stance, and THEN
- bats .342 for a month
is just regressing to the mean. To argue that is to be in denial.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
The day of work obviously made a difference, yes
but to assume that he would have continued to hit .168 without that day of work is also to be in denial. So there must be some balance between the two, and there’s nobody who can figure out what that is. That’s my only point.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
The argument then becomes
How much of this can be attributed to the hitting coach, and how much to Jeter? And what difference would it make if this particular hitting coach was interchanged with any of the 30 others in MLB, or a host of other hitting instructors at all levels of pro ball.
I would argue: I’m sure it matters at least a little, but I would have no more basis for my opinion than if someone else argued that it doesn’t matter.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
read the article
long and jeter went over video. long noticed jeter was holding up with his stride foot. he encouraged Jeter to change one thing about it. jeter made that one change and put in the reps. he immediately started hitting better. both jeter and long attribute the change to improving his contact on the ball.
of course, they’re both responsible. I’m just tired of people on this site saying coaches and/or managers have nothing to do with how well players play.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
well that's fair
but could Terry Crowley have done the exact same thing with Derek Jeter?
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
no way in hell. not a chance.
nope. nada. nicht. nein. non.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
conjecture, I say!
that, or letting a terrific amount of anger answer for you
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
do you really think derek jeter would listen to anything terry f*ckin crowley says? ;)
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
gimme a c, gimme an o, gimme an n...
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
???
???
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
im just kidding around with you
and anyway, you all have helped convince me that hitting coaches play a valuable role on baseball teams. I’m not as convinced that they can teach plate discipline to batters, but progress is progress, right?
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
kid away.
i just don’t get it. what were you spelling?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
never mind
I just got it.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I just think it's hard to determine how much a coach matters.
For example, I think hiring Buck helped. How much? In what manner? I don’t know.
Your mother.
I agree.
You can definitely point to his influence, but there’s no way you can quantify it.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I honestly don't know what to think about left field
Felix has gone through periods where he looks fantastic and periods where he looks totally lost. It’s also hard to evaluate his 2010 because of his injury. And we know he’s athletic but sometimes he had troubles in the field as well – I really think he’s more suited to CF not that it matters at this point.
Someone should have told Nolan and Felix that last off-season when we talked about what a tough decision it was to decide to who to play in LF, this wasn’t really what we had in mind.
The only logical conclusion is to sign Carl Crawford.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
The most logical solution is to sign Cliff Lee
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 28, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Crawford is basically the highest point
any of us could possibly wish Felix would ever reach, right? Crawford turned 29 in August. When he was Felix’s age, he already had a good 3 to 4 wins on him per season. So why NOT go hard after Crawford? Seriously, obviously money is an issue but if you need to upgrade the offense in a long term meaningful way, Carl Crawford is the best fit for this team in a year where the other positions offer a lot of short term dreck to wade through.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
I don't think the O's have a shot at signing Crawford
And I don’t think they’d do what it takes to get him even if they did. I just don’t have faith in that kind of thing with Andy MacPhail.
However, if you put Cliff Lee and Carl Crawford in front of me and told me I could have one of them, I’d take Crawford.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I think he'd come here if the money was right
I have no idea how much money it would take to convince him to play in Bmore, but there has to be a number. Everyone has a number.
But your right, Andy MacPhail simply hasn’t shown himself to be that kind of aggressive bidder (even though he put in an actual bid for Mark Teixeira who might be worth less than Crawford at the same age)….le sigh.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Make the check big enough, anyone will come to Baltimore
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
Paul Konerko says hello
I think the reality is that if the difference is negligible, any good player will choose the better team. And unfortunately, with each player they get to a price point where it no longer makes sense to sign them.
Carl Crawford’s career OPS+ is 107 (which I know is only part of the story). And he’s put a lot of time on the turf in Tampa. From my view, buyer beware.
Librarians are hiding something
If we'd added more $$$
even Konerko would have come here.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
I thought we all were in agreement...
that offering that kind of money/year combo was a franchise-killer? What’s the expected value of a contract for Crawford? LF was hardly the problem last year, it still leaves us with three gaping holes in the line-up.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Two things
1) the more I think about it, the less convinced I am that a big contract is going to cripple the franchise. We’re not talking about signing Ryan Howard through 2017 here to 20 million a year here. Obviously if it gets too large, then you have to bow out, but the Orioles should have the financial power and flexibility to sign Carl Crawford. Especially considering what they were willing to pay Mark Teixeira.
2) As I said, left field is certainly a problem. 28th in run production out of left field, and our de facto starter got on base just 30% of the time and hit for less power than the year before. Oh, and he has a difficult time staying healthy. Yes, I’m starting to lose faith/patience with Felix Pie.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
I'm still convinced...
that AMac knew Tex was going to NY, so that "offer’ was a move designed to keep the pitchforks and torches away.
I’d be all for going after Crawford, I just hope we don’t have to spend obscene money to do it.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
ridiculous
Tex was all but penciled into the Boston lineup until the eleventh hour. NY hadn’t even made an offer, and had signed Swisher.
You can argue AMac knew he wouldn’t come to Baltimore, but his going to NY was not something anyone knew in advance apart from Cashman and Boras.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
NY, Boston - all the same...YOU GET MY POINT ARGGHHHH
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Andy realized he couldn't outbid the Yanks
He made an offer that he thought made financial sense for the O’s and hoped that Teixiera would take a hometown discount. I don’t think it was a phantom offer in order to appease the public. If Teixeira would have accepted the O’s offer, the O’s wouldn’t have than said, ha just kidding.
Your mother.
Crawford > Pie, Reimold
At some point, we have to upgrade our batting lineup. Crawford does that, at age 29. I’d dump money & year into him.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
Fair point...
you don’t ignore one move just because it doesn’t fix all of your issues.
I’m probably just a little bit leery of signing big-name outfielders to contracts after good ole Joey Belle.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
we need to get past Albert Belle
Carl Crawford could not be more different….and anyway, the Orioles got most of that money back (insurance, dontcha know) so the risk of it happening again is totally minimized.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
So the real question is...
does Crawford need A++ money to come here or will a role in the Reimold movie as the super-villain suffice?
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
If he doesn't want to get plunked in the gonads by Arrieta again he better come here!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 28, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Reason number 1 to sign with the O's
I’m serious yo. That shit hurts.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 28, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
So I'm sensing a theme here...
come play with the Orioles or else we’ll destroy your goods or(Crawford) inflate your ERA (Cliff Huxtable).
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No Holds Barred Baseball
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 28, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell, if Carl Crawford comes here and lights it up, we can have a Carl Crawford movie instead.
How’s that for enticement? He can even pick who gets to play him.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 28, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think Carl Crawford is married? Nolan being single was a pretty key part of the movie.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 28, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If Carl doesn't want to be the leading character, he could be the wise mentor
who learned the important things in life the hard way.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Carl Crawford could not be more different….and anyway, the Orioles got most of that money back (insurance, dontcha know) so the risk of it happening again is totally minimized.
Belle had $37M left on his contract. 70% of that was covered by insurance. So the O’s paid $11M to have Belle sit on the 60 day DL and take up a spot on the 40 man roster for 3 years. Overall, the O’s paid $39.1 for one excellent season and 1 good one. The Belle signing sucked balls.
Your mother.
Alberte Belle cost us less than $3M a year when he didn't play
PGA got 80% insurance for that contract. He cost a roster spot and $2.8M or so. That’s it. Not exactly Carl Pavano….
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
I don't agree with that
I think the Orioles can afford to bump their payroll up quite a bit, as long as it’s for someone like Crawford. The O’s have MASN money to spend.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
As of 13 October,
MLBTR was saying:
The contract will be a major commitment – at least five years and more than $15MM per season. Crawford is the best available position player, and it wouldn’t be a shock if bidding reached seven years and nearly $20MM per season.I’ll admit, the high end of that does make me wary. But we should definitely make a serious offer.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I'd start at 6-90
but this isn’t going to happen. They gave Roberts 4-40, and they are comparable players (though I think Crawford’s defense is better in left than Roberts’ is at second) and there’s little chance I can see them bidding over what they gave Roberts for that type of player.
Which stinks. Other maybe options?
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
cliff lee
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 28, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
The guy has pitched like every other day in the playoffs and has a bad game
but yea…..totally worthless pitcher. not worth the money.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 28, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
He definately doesn't have a future as a pitcher...
but what if we signed him to a MiLB deal and had him learn how to throw right-handed and play 3B. It could work.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I endorse this.
I’d rather he learn to play SS though. Hell, he can already hit better than Izturis.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 28, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
FTFY
(thoughI thinkCrawford’s defense is better in left than Roberts’ is at second)
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I am still a believer in the Left field position
Does that mean Pie? Reimold? Not sure but its got to be one of them. The thing I feel worst about is that Pie would do well when he HAD to take over left field, ie, an injury or under production. Reimold does the same.
The biggest problem is that once they DO get the job and the other is healthy enough to compete, neither one proves to me that they can do it. An old saying says competition brings out our best which is NOT TRUE in this case. Reimold got the opening day bid because Pie had been dealing with injuries toward the end of the year. It was REIMOLD’S TO LOSE and what did he do? Blew it. Pie was practically given the job with the AAA demotion. He started out okay but once it was PIE’S to lose, HE didnt do well.
Its frustrating. Thats why my Orioles song is Still the One by Orleans.
“We’ve been together since way back when, Sometimes I never want to see you again.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbH_sDyWZqo
Wanna know why the Orioles are scary? Us and Halloween share the same colors.
"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'"
Earl Weaver
Riemold and Pie
I don’t believe that Riemold is washed up. I am hopeful that he will rebound from last year and have a solid season. I am also hopeful that Pie is just a late bloomer. I would take a pass on Crawford given what it would take to sign him.
Per Joel Sherman on Twitter
Girardi just signed a three year, $9M extension with the Yankees.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Per the Water Cooler
Girardi is a whinny bitch.
by Philly O's on Oct 28, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Per 12 year old version of me
Winnie Cooper is hot.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
You and I must think alike
I was gonna post a picture of Winnie Cooper in response, but when you google image her it’s a bunch of pictures of grown up Winnie in her underwear so I had to shut it down real quick.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
The lizard-brain tells me I like sexy Winnie...
the rational adult male tells me it is bad that in order for her to sell books about math she has to sex it up.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
[insert obligatory “tangent to her curves” joke here]
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I would so be the area under her curve
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
I felt bad being the typo-police,
‘cause I’m sure I’d be on the receiving end of that quite a bit, but any chance I get to bring Winnie Cooper into a conversation… well I’m going to take it.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
you being typo-police just caused me to look at winnie cooper in underwear
you need to be typo-police more often.
The Wonder Years is the only TV show that ever made me cry.
True story.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 28, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I refuse to tell you the only TV that has made me cry.
The stache is back!
by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea.
It’s been done.
The stache is back!
by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I noticed that. I'll try to contain myself next time.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
The end of The Wire Season 4 usually has me feeling on the verge of tears
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
That's a good one too.
The Wonder Years got me because people always told me I look like that kid (because when he was younger and I was younger, I totally did). So there was a lot more personal emotional investment there.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 28, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
This is me, yo, right here!
Season 4 was hard, but watching Wallace speak those lines in the first season had me shook for a while. Something about the way the scene was shot – the seeming normalcy of them bounding up the stairs, Wallace worrying about the kids he was looking after, the lighting. Ugh…
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I cried my eyes out at the end of season four
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
off the top of my head
I’m guessing thats either Brenden Fraiser’s second episode, or the one where Dr. Cox is really depressed and JD has to talk him back to work?
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
I think Dr. Cox being depressed
is season 6 or 7. Not sure though.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Brendan Frasier's second episode also had me in tears actually
Season 5 Episode 20 is the episode before JD talks him back to work. The pain and anguish on Dr. Cox’s face…I could not contain myself.
I'm back. YAY SUMMER!
Many Scrubs episodes have brought me to the verge of tears
but only one show has made me cry.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
60 Minutes?
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
No. I would admit something like that.
The show itself is embarassing to admit that I even watched it. The actual reasons behind why it made me cry, not so much.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Closer than 60 minutes.
If someone can actually guess the show I will admit and fill in the details.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Dawson's Creek?
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Dawson's Creek is the closest thus far.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Gilmore Girls?
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
Accurate time frame.
Wrong show.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
For a show about how great it is to love God
Jessica Biel did spend a good amount of time in her underpants…
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
And how sweet that was
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 28, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummmm...
One Tree Hill? Not sure if that’s the same time frame but that’s pretty embarrassing.
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Ok everyone. It WAS NOT on the WB.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
WINNER!
Although after seeing these other guesses, it isn’t quite as embarassing as the others.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, this was way worse
it was so embarrassing I passed it over immediately and said to myself “There’s no way Knubles and Bits watched the OC. No WAY JOSE!”
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Uhh Gilmore Girls? Dawsons Creek?
7th Heaven? The OC is not nearly as embarassing. Especially if you have ever seen it.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The OC is awesome
It got kind of dumb, but season one was fantastic TV.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I've got my popcorn...
now tell me a sad story!
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok. But this is pretty personal
and all of the joking has to cease from this point on.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Well then I'm not going to tell the story
because like I said, it’s personal.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd certainly respect it, and i feel like most people would
but this is still a open website. just fair warning.
I'm just saying, you dunno when BSF is gonna get home from school
that kid is brutal.
by kba26 on Oct 28, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm glad that a typo has brought us to this.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok. The scene:
The mother, Kirsten, has become an alcoholic. The rest of the family decides to hold an intervention. Blah blah blah. Her son, Seth, is initially absent from the room during said intervention. Initially she is reluctant to admit that she has a problem until Seth enters the room. No words are spoken, but based on the expression on his face it becomes obvious to Kirsten that she is hurting/ruining her family.
Now under normal circumstances this would not make someone cry. Unfortunately, drugs and alcohol destroyed my family when I was 13 years old. No one held an intervention to save my family and it was a little more than I could handle, especially considering the whole mother-son connection.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm right there with you, buddy
Sometimes it’s frightening how a seemingly benign scene in a tv show or movie can prompt an emotional response without warning, uncorking feelings that you’ve bottled up or even forgot you had. I was going to post a similar story but the formatting was too narrow and I chickened out anyway.
Don't chicken out.
I cried just now while reliving the experience. I’m actually considering watching the episode again.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I cried my eyes out then as well.
When she sees Seth :( I’m not willing to talk about my family on here but we went through something really similar. But that scene was too much.
Also, I should read all the comments before I respond, huh.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Hey!
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 28, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That 70s Show?
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It's really the only show that has made me cry because I usually only watch straight comedies
Scrubs is a comedy but I think their dramatic moments are hard to match.
I'm back. YAY SUMMER!
Scrubs does such a great job of being a comedy
but unleashing the drama at just the right time.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure i totally agree
For me, a lot of times the drama felt really forced and was completely groan worthy. I always dreaded the inevitable ‘scrubs moment’ about 80% of the way through the episode when the zach braff voiceover tried to give meaning to the whole thing.
I would have to assume you are in the minority
considering the show lasted 9 seasons. Most shows can’t make it past the first month, so Scrubs must have been doing something right.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I will definitely admit I'm in the minority in that case
but i will definitely dispute there is any correlation between how long a show is on t.v. and how good it actually is. See: Arrested Development; Two and a Half Men.
Firefly.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
by Vuff on Oct 28, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree about the dramatic part kba but I do however agree with that
Better Off Ted and Arrested Development are two shows that went too early. I actually think the 9th season of Scrubs was completely unnecessary. My Finale was perfect. And season 9 just…sucked.
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Yea season nine sucked
but unfortunately you have to count it.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
True.
Many good shows don’t last long enough, but it is rather rare that a bad show lasts for a long time. Although Two and a Half Men is an example.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Haven't seen it.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I havent either, but i think i can pretty much summarize an episode for you:
(opening credits)
fat joke.
fat joke.
fat joke.
(closing credits)
That show is AWFUL
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
totally agree
So stupid and nothing else is on during that slot.
"I could no more abandon my Orioles than I could repudiate my family, or my native heath, or my own childhood—even though I know it is a devotion that can now bring only grief." - David Bentley Hart
by Gorilla Bird on Oct 28, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of the voice-overs are cheesy, yes
But I cannot understand how anyone could not at least be on the verge of tears during the end of My Lunch or My Screw-Up. I actually think McGinley is the best actor/actress on the show, as great as Braff is.
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Well I've said before I dislike Zach Braff
and it did have some great episodes, including the ones that you mentioned. But for me, Scrubs was a show that was never more than something i watched reruns of on Comedy Central, even if i did probably ultimately end up seeing every episode.
I respect that
I love Zach Braff. I think he’s a very believable actor. I also think most actors on the show, even the guests, are brilliant.
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I totally agree
What I don’t understand is how John C. McGinley does not have an emmy yet. Brilliant actor.
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And now his chance is pretty much spent
so we can all put more thought into why doesn’t nick offerman have an emmy?
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
More importantly...
why was Jose Offerman an All-Star in 1995?
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
'Cause the man knows how to use a bat!
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
Here's the link that I meant to attach
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2975386
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
It was a farce he didn't get a nomination for his work on the movie Office Space
/snark
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 28, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa...
that is my mind – officially blown.
You haven’t seen Office Space? Get on it. Post haste.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn it feels good to be a gangster.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
"PC Load Letter"? What the fuck does that mean?
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently you didn't get the memo.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Michael Bolton is a no talent ass-clown
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
One of my favorite scenes to the movie...
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
We are going to go to prison. And not some Country Club prison. We are going to Federal Pound-Me-In-The-Ass prison.
I don’t want to go to any prison.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 28, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Has there ever been a more quotable movie?
Good luck with your layoffs, all right? I hope your firings go really well.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Excuse me. I believe you have my stapler.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 28, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Take a ride on the old bone rollercoaster. Oh! Oh! Oh!
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 28, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
“Yeah, I just stare at my desk; but it looks like I’m working. I’d say in a given week I only do about 15 minutes of real, actual work.”
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 28, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Consider yourself warned...
it depicts an eerily accurate protrayal of life in a cube farm. RIGHT DOWN TO THE FUCKING BIRTDHAY CAKE.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The Chen-Sakai battle at the end of Iron Chef.
I think that’s the only one, though plenty have brought me close.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I cry during FNL on a weekly basis...
Even teared up during the season premiere last night.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 28, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
last night was
a VERY SPECIAL EPISODE of FNL.
And without spoling anything I’m sad two see two of my favorite characters making their exits.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Are they making their exits?
I didnt read up much on it… I hope its not the end of the road for them and we get to peek in on them throughout the season. We lost alot of good men out there…. Smash, Jason Street, Lyla, the tall blonde (name escapes me). This show has the ability to recycle charactars like no one’s business. As long as they have the coach and his family, they can have a show. I have no idea why it is already set in stone that this has to be the last season. It seems to be growing in popularity. Peter Berg is freaking great.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 28, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't even know it premiered last night, this is very exciting news
and I was reading an interview the other day (which probably said it premiered last night and i missed it) where Connie Britton said its actually great to know last season that there would definitely be one more season, and that it would be the final one. They could tell the stories they wanted to and know exactly how much time they had to wrap them up. I think tv would be a lot better off if shows were giving a bigger commitment up front but also a clear expiration date sooner rather than later. I think it makes for much tighter, better written shows.
the interview if you’re curious:
http://www.avclub.com/articles/connie-britton,46837/
i think it's the last season
because they are inevitably going to start repeating themselves. only so many times you can have improbable wins from the sad-sack team of misfits because coach is a good teacher and a better man.
re: those two characters—I’m sure they’ll each have two or three appearances. but I think that’s about it.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Yup... just like when we lost Matt (he was one of my favorites - albeit awkward).
I wish this show would go forever. Its one of my favorite hours of the entire week. And last season his team completely sucked and lost to everyone under the sun except the final game. There are more plotlines than you’d imagine. They’ve largely gotten away from football being the central theme of the show anyway (especially in comparison to Season 1 when that was the central premise). Now their storylines are so intertwined football has kind of become the afterthought. I just think its terrific television. I’m shocked it was never more popular than it was.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 28, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
NBC really fucked them with season two
when they made the writers sex it up and started having improbable religious conversions, tornados, and murder. leave it to the suits to fuck up a good thing.
season 1 flew under the radar, and was some of the best TV ever. so I told all my firends , YOU HAVE TO WATCH THIS SHOW!, and they were all, "OK, I’ll watch when it restarts for season 2.
And after three weeks, they were all bailing, and telling me I was a idiot. I’m sure this same experience was replicated with a lot of other people.
FNL getting away from NBC was the best thing that could have happened for it.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I'm really hoping someone jumps in and saves Terriers in the same manner
right now that sounds like a dead show walking, which is tragic
Season 2 was awful
A total hiccup in the series’ history.
From what I heard the writers thought it was going to be a one-and done show so they had them winning the championship in season 1 (if you need a spoiler alert from 5 years ago I dont feel bad for ya). In any case, I think they sort of got caught with their hand down their pants when they learned they had at least two more season and decided to make it a soap opera of sorts since the team had already achieved the ultimate goal in its premiere season.
Either way this season should be really interesting. I hope Tim Riggins is still a big part of the final season because he is my favorite charactar. But if he’s in jail for 3 months… not sure just how much of a factor he’ll be. Unless they end with him getting out in an emotion tear-jerker.
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 28, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
he is no longer part of the front credits
I think that tells you what you need to know.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
NO NO NO NO NO!
I don’t have Direct TV!
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I can't believe Coach Taylor gets buried alive in a landslide,
and that Buddy turns out to be a hermaphrodite!
Oh, sorry Stacey.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I don't break the law
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I cry at the notion that Cap'n Jeets boinks Minka Kelly
Seriously. Fuck that dude.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 28, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
They were talking last night about how Elvis Andrus wants to be just like Jeter
at that moment, I knew i was for sure rooting for the Giants.
It doesn't take that much effort...
to catch herp and not validate parking. Ask Charlie Sheen.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 28, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I cried with rage
when Bobby Flay jumped up on the cutting board.
"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."
- Cap'n Phil Harris
Ahahaha.
I still really dislike that guy for that… he was such an arrogant jerk on Iron Chef. But I’ve also read that the show’s producers asked him to play up the “ugly American” image, so maybe he’s not so bad? I haven’t watched his stuff on Food Network and the like.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I never liked Bobby Flay (which i think we've talked about before)
but I feel bad for him with the stupid shit Food Network has him doing now. That challenge show they have him doing now seems really demeaning. Anthony Bourdain said something about this, like does anyone actually believe that some random person off the street can really make a better chili than Bobby Flay or any other actually trained chef? At some point Food Network shifted from teaching people how to cook to teaching people how to pretend they can cook and take pride in the fact that they arent actually talented.
I've seen his own show once or twice
he seems more relaxed & at ease when dealing with his own area of experise, Tex-Mex & so forth.
By the way, nice that we discovered a patch of common ground to occupy. (;-)
"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."
- Cap'n Phil Harris
Ha, indeed.
Favorite Iron Chef from the original show? I honestly can’t decide, but in terms of whose food I’d most want to try, definitely Chen. I’ve actually been to Morimoto in Philly.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Personality wise I'd say Morimoto
I love how he handled the Ota faction.
Food wise I’d go with Kobe, since I’m more partial to Italian food to begin with.
Once for my sister’s birthday we went to Nobu in NY, but that was after Morimoto left.
"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."
- Cap'n Phil Harris
I want to go to Morimoto eventually
but theres a lot of other restaurants higher on my Philly list that i want to hit first
I cried when Sun and Jin died on Lost.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
I felt that way after the pilot of
‘V’ … I wept for the hour that I lost of my life.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
This is also a good answer.
That probably would have gotten me too, except I was so angry at the show for doing that to me, I didn’t have time to be sad about it.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 28, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see what you mean...
It was just so unnecessary. The only possible reason they had for doing it was specifically to make me cry… but I did anyway.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
I didn't cry
but I was a nervous wreck after the Ryan Chappelle episode of 24 in season 3.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
The one at the train tracks?
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If so, that was probably the absolutely most WTFOMG>!>?
moment in the series.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yeah
nothing in television history has quite replicated that first time I saw that episode. Not yet anyhow…though it would be really hard to top it.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Of all the difficult decisions that Jack had to make
that was far and away the most difficult. I couldn’t believe what happened when I was watching.
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by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I seriously sob like a 4-year old being sent to his room during FNL
That show is fantastic drama and the charactar developement to me is second to none. Favorite show ever. Did I just lose what little credibility I had?
by Wieters Wieners on Oct 28, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That's unexpected
On the bright side, maybe they’ll lose in the playoffs again with him at the helm.
I'm back. YAY SUMMER!
MLB.com says the announcement on Giradi will come later today
Sure makes a liar out of me. I would have bet the farm they would let him go.
best news I've heard all day
he can keep underachieving with them
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Meh
I feel he would be in a great position if went to the Cubs, he leads them to a world series, he’s bigger jesus, he leads the yankees to a world series, it’s expected.
"Breathe if you hate Duke." - Brenda Frese
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 28, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
So the meatballs in Campbell's Select Harvest soup are predictably terrible
there is almost no flavor to them whatsoever.
A guy who makes his own walnut pesto probably has higher culinary standards than 97% of consumers.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 28, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I think both Pie and Reimold should get one more year.
Unless on that off chance the O’s sign Crawford or Werth. Then we should try and get some infield prospects for one of them.
"I know the save rule, believe me. But it doesn't carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better." - Buck Showalter
I think the counter to that argument would be: if Pie and Reimold flounder for another year, they won't be worth anything.
Now, I’m not saying that means we need to overpay for anyone other than Crawford right now. I just think it’s something we should be aware of as we move along.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 28, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
well, I'm not sure either are worth a whole lot right now anyway
but if we wait a year and we need a left fielder, then the best one is off the market (and perhaps on the red sox or yankees).
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Yup. And the 2012 free agent OF class ain't too enticing either.
David DeJesus would be the headliner of the bunch.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 28, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
DeJesus is a nice player
but he’s no Crawford. And my original main point is that we want Felix Pie to become Carl Crawford….so why not just get Carl Crawford?
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Right. I agree.
And it’s not like the O’s have a shit-ton of $ tied up already. Amazingly, they only have $28.7 million guaranteed so far, with the arbritration eligible players (Jones, Pie, Guthrie, Albers, & Scott) and assorted free agency filler yet to be determined.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/10/2011-payroll-commitments.html
They can afford (especially with all the MASN $ flowing in) to go out and get Crawford. The O’s can’t be forever timid in the face of the Yankers spending largess. Put out a strong offer and if the Yankers want to send their payroll upwards of $250 million so be it.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 28, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
This all makes sense.
Though, what about Werth?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I like Werth as well. But not nearly as much as I like Crawford.
He could fill another glaring hole in the O’s lineup, right handed pop. A back-to-back combo of him and Luke would be pretty sweet. And I imagine that Crawford will set the market and Werth will sign shortly thereafter, so he could be less expensive; in theory anyway.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 28, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I want them both.
The stache is back!
by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW
I had no idea it was so small.73.8 million on opening day to 28.7 million? Where the heck did all that money go?
Millwood, Koji, Izturis, & Wigginton made $23.1 million combined, and that still leaves 22 million dollars unaccounted for. Hendo was 1.4, and the arbitration guys (Jones, Scott, Guts) were only $7.515… where’s the rest of that money, and where’d it go?
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Atkins and Tejada.
close to 10.
The stache is back!
by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
yup yup
so, fuck the money argument. We apparently just shed something like 30 million dollars off the payroll. We have money. We would have money if we didn’t own MASN. We would have money if nobody ever came to OPACY. The money is there.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
We could realistically sign Lee, Werth, and Crawford.
Money-wise that is. PA is rolling in it.
The stache is back!
by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
We could realistically sign two of them
and have basically the same payroll as last year (and we’d be way better)….but no, who wouldn’t rather have six guys who kind of stink/are relievers instead of Cliff Lee and Carl Crawford?
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
I know this would never ever ever in a million billion years happen
But can you even imagine if the Orioles signed Lee and Crawford this offseason? I mean, can you even?
But I think they should. Give them what they want! To quote James, buy that WAR in bulk.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
That's two guys who will probably pay for themselves in wins.
And wins will pay for themselves with more fans.
This feels like the offseason to spend big bucks – as long as we don’t spend the big bucks on overrated or shitty players.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 28, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It'll never happen
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Right, but there is no reason that we can't spend more than
last year. I would make offers to all three. Scott at first and Jones/Crawford/Werth manning left, center, and DH is an outstanding lineup. Not too mention it makes Pie and Reimold expendable to try to lock up a 3rd baseman/SS (or even Jones for that matter). Oh, dreaming sure is nice.
The stache is back!
by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Where the fuck does Nicky go?
Forgive me if I’m not ready to trade in a 26 year old for a dude who wasn’t even good until he was 28.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
LF, CF, and DH.
I had the same reaction at first.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I wouldnt sign Werth to DH
and I doubt he signs to DH…but its a nice thought. No, I’ll keep some of that surplus for future spending and just take Crawford, thank you very much.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Yes, please!
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 28, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah
I misread.
So Werth would be the DH?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Not necessarily.
It gives us options. I like Werth in left, but then do we like Jones as a DH? Crawford would be better in center than Jones at least this year.
The stache is back!
by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones would be a good trade chip though.
I’m just fantasizing anyways. If I had to choose two of the big three it would be Crawford and Lee.
The stache is back!
by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
eh.
I guess I’m just not crazy about signing Crawford and Werth. I’m honestly not as gaga over Werth as some people. I mean, he’d be a great addition to the team, but I don’t think that 2/3 of our outfield needs overhauled.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Atkins, of course made 5 million
which….ugh…I still look at that and it still looks fucking ridiculous.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
This page is more user friendly
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=taZSsyMJlhbVkf-nkq7Ss3g&output=html
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
oh, see that's tricky
I forgot that Texas kicked in money for Millwood and we totally did not pay Julio Lugo 10 million dollars. The Red Sox paid that.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
They kicked in and we still paid that dude $12M
astounding
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
no no no
that was his total salary
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
According to that spreadsheet
His salary was $15M and Texas paid $3M
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Pretty sure that spreadsheet is wrong.
Every other source (Cot’s etc.) says his 2010 salary was $12 million total.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 28, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
not saying it's not wrong
just saying, I got it from Cots
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Weird
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/baltimore-orioles_112321768568552760.html
I don’t know why their spreadsheet says different.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 28, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
At any rate, the O's owe him $0 in 2011!
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Fuckin' A.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 28, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe we paid Millwood $9 million
Which is still a ridiculous number for how much he sucked.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 28, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, nevermind
we were so dumb last year. Glad it’s not last year any more!
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
But the same guys who were dumb last year are still in charge.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 28, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
quiet you
people can change! Also: Buck
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Also: Buck
I like.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Hey, I want to believe.
And I’m sure when April rolls around I’ll be as excited as anybody. But for some reason this week looking at all the numbers I feel pretty bleak about next year.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 28, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe you didn't look at the numbers
that indicate that we have 40 million big ones to throw at free agency!
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
That's just to get back to last year's payroll?
Because I bet we can go even higher than that.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I feel like this is a good year to spend money.
The stache is back!
by Knubles and Bits on Oct 28, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the thing you have to consider
Is that we have a lot of players that are going to start getting substantial raises over the next 5 years. We may have a lot of flexibility for the upcoming season or two, but then its gonna start to get tight. Any major offseason acquisitions now have to take that into account.
A point to consider
But I’d say if the Orioles start winning then they’ll have even more money to spend.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
not to mention
if we want, like, a first basemen or a third basemen, now is probably not the time to buy one and we might want the money for that later on, too.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Yeah I'm not good at planning for the future
Live in the now, that’s what I say!
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Geez their payroll was $93M in 2007? Who the fuck were they paying?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
oh of course
14 million dollars for Kris Benson and Jaret Wright.
Man, I’m glad its not 2007 anymore.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
I am posting that next time someone complains about AM
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Oct 28, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That team makes me want to vomit, btw
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Addition by subtraction
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Oct 28, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Good God
You forget how far we’ve come from those days.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 28, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Belle? Tejada? Relievers?
Dont ask questions you dont want to know the answer to
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Oct 28, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
jamie walker, chadford, baez,
Huff, Razor, Javy Lopez
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
This is relevant:
http://dempseysarmy.blogspot.com/2010/10/oriole-windfall-for-2011-part-1.html
According to Heath, we’re probably starting at something more like $53 million. Still leaves us a lot of room to maneuver.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
salivating....salivating...drooling on floor...
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Plus, Crawford would provide the O's with something they sorely lacked this past season....
another viable option for the lead-off spot if Roberts isn’t healthy.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 28, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a good point
Although I wasn’t really expecting to get a good infield prospect. I was thinking of just getting more infield prospects as we seem to have plenty of outfielders. Kind of a “hope we get something good because right now we have nothing.”
"I know the save rule, believe me. But it doesn't carry much weight with me. I like the win rule a little bit better." - Buck Showalter
Whoever told me that Battlestar Galactica would start sucking after they leave New Caprica was right.
Your mother.
I just started season 2.0 on netflix
I’m digging the show. Vacillating between like and love, depending on the episode. Pretty stoked that I have like 40 hours of entertainment left.
I try to warn people.
There are really some great moments in that show. The whole first season is pretty brilliant as they build on the pilot. There’s serious episodes, comedy episodes, pretty good special effects on occasion, and a lot of character development. Season 2 has some crap but all the Pegasus stuff is good, I feel. It’s just that once it falls off, it falls off in a hurry.
It could have been one of the all-time greats if they finished the way they started. I guess that’s probably true of a lot of shows though.
America was a farting country. - Ragtime, E.L. Doctorow
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 28, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I just saw the eppy where Starbuck "dies".
I can’t imagine she’s gone forever. She’s just too important of a character and her death seems so random. I’m guessing she’s one of the final five, which would be really lame.
Your mother.
It gets better again
The whole “who are the final 5” story line is quality. As is the build up to the finale. Finale itself doesn’t suck, just left me with the sense of “is that all?”.
Stick with it. Trust me.
"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."
- Cap'n Phil Harris
i couldn't get past how incredibly bad the pilot was
…including the exquisitely bad acting of the woman who played Starbuck. I was like, “I cannot watch a show built around this woman for the next x number of years.”
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Some shows you just gotta get used to the acting
it took me a few episodes to get into the Wire because I thought the acting was atrocious. I think I tried to watch the first season but couldn’t get past the first episode. I picked it up again a year later and still had misgivings during the first few episodes, but then something just clicked and the acting problems disappeared. And the rest… is history.
I'm still a Pie believer.
I think if he’s given the chance to play everyday, AND we hold onto Luke Scott to continue acting as a mentor/accountability coach, he’ll start putting up solid-to-great numbers offensively. Remember, he was swinging the bat well before his injury last April, and still looked pretty good after 3 months rehabbing. I think if he stays healthy and continues to work hard on his pitch recognition, he has what it takes to be the starting LF for the next decade. Please get Reimold out of here while we can still dupe some other GM into thinking he’s a salvageable reclamation project.
"Don't worry, the fans don't start booing until July."-Earl Weaver
by NoTimeForLove, Dr. Jones! on Oct 28, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions
dont let one year of bad reimold sour you
Putting up an ops of .831 in 358 AB’s isn’t something to give up on after one bad year (and it wasn’t Reimolds first good year). I’m wasn’t as high on him as most to start the year, and i’m not nearly as low on him as most are now. I think he’ll be an average LF for cheap going forward. Thats useful to have.
Pie i’m less sure of, i’m not convinced hes better than a 4th OF’er.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on Oct 28, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno...
Their bats being roughly equal, I think Pie HAS to get the nod when you take defense into account. Yeah, he sometimes makes late jumps on fly balls, or miscalculates the correct angle he should take to get to a ball, but his speed allows him to recover and still make plays. Plus those legs make him way more of a threat to turn singles into doubles and doubles into triples. Reimold runs like a statue—his mechanics are only slightly better than Weiters’. And sure, Reimold can get up to an impressive top-speed, but he doesn’t get there until he’s at first. Pie is at top-speed just a few steps out of the box.
"Don't worry, the fans don't start booing until July."-Earl Weaver
by NoTimeForLove, Dr. Jones! on Oct 29, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
We have a third baseman!
Greg Dobbs has elected free agency.
(Joke! Please don’t kill me.)
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
The last thing i need is, for the 3rd season in a row,
to see a player I hate on the Orioles or Phillies leave the team just to sign with the other
Nooooooo
I’d blocked him from my memory… blast… you…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
ew I'd forgotten he was an Oriole
forgotten/blocked out
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
well, at least it was a pretty even tradeoff
I’d be angrier if the Orioles had gotten two Phillie dirtbag castoffs.
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
well, I consider Eaton failing up ;)
No offense, but....ENOUGH WITH THE FIELDER/GONZALEZ TRADE PROPOSALS.
Felix Pie
OPS+ in 2009: 98
OPS+ in 2010: 93
I still think he’s played well enough to deserve another 500 ABs in 2011 to see if the Orioles even need to solve the LF “problem”.
Librarians are hiding something
Can everyone go here and vote for Ripken?
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/polls?pCat=46&sCat=1677
I hate the thought of Brett Farve winning anything, ever.
No to Felix Pie
As anything more than a 4th outfielder. Reimold, I would give a full chance to. He was still injured last spring, plus he had his head up his ass. It’s a proven fact that only Barry Bonds could hit with his head up his ass.
Actually, I am unimpressed with Felix Pie. He doesn’t hit for power or a high on base percentage. He is fast but doesn’t steal bases. I would include him in a deal for a young power hitting first baseman. Felix doesn’t do anything that can’t be done by Patterson (if we re-signed him) or probably even Matt Angle. And they can steal a base if needed.
I vote for Reimold in left field until the all star break.
non-sequitur
Mrs. zknower just received the following:
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To assist our Building security, we ask that you observe the following guidelines:
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I guess she’ll have to leave the pitchfork at home. (sigh).
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
So she can go naked?
no rules against that it seems.
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Official Elias Rankings Out
Notables:
Adam Dunn and Derrek Lee are Type A’s
Koji is a Type B
The mentor is a Type B
Carlos Pena is a Type B
If DLee is offered arbitration, I have zero interest in signing him, especially since future Oriole Cliff Lee is a Type A, which means the Orioles will have to surrender their second round pick.
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by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 28, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
im a Pie supporter
He was a huge prospect in Chicago so the talent is at least managable, if the plate discipline improves he’ll be just fine IMO
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