Tuesday Bird Droppings
by duck on Oct 5, 2010 6:56 AM EDT
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PrintRecaps of last night's ....wait, drat. There wasn't one. Man, it's gonna take a few days to get used to that.
2010 Postseason | MLB.com: Schedule
Here's the complete playoff schedule.
Jeff Zrebiec grades the 2010 Orioles - baltimoresun.com
"The fairest way to evaluate the Oriole players probably would have been to assign two different grades – a B.S. one for "Before Showalter' and a U.S. one for "Under Showalter." WARNING - it's a slide show with 30+ slides.
Kevin Cowherd: With fans once again invested in Orioles, it's up to Andy MacPhail to cash in - baltimoresun.com
"Now it's up to you, Andy MacPhail."
Showalter's presence keys O's turnaround | orioles.com: News
"As Buck Showalter frequently pointed out, "no one had all their bullets" in the season's dwindling days, but the Orioles finally started to play like the team that multiple national outlets predicted in the spring to be a plucky club."
Veterans needed to complement young core | orioles.com: News
"Assuming their young core continues to develop, if the Orioles make the necessary moves this winter -- avoiding filler-type moves -- they could start a turnaround that was supposed to come in 2010. But can they compete against baseball's best in the AL East?"
Orioles Insider: O's will pick fourth overall in 2011 draft
So now the question becomes whom to pick.
Optimism in Birdland as Orioles close out 2010 - Carroll County Times: Orioles
"I am happy with the last two months," MacPhail said. "I don’t think we’re to the point where we think everything’s rosy and this is the way it’s going to be going forward. We know that there are issues that we need to address and we know we can’t ignore the first four months of the season."
Showalter, Orioles seek to extend success in 2011 - USATODAY.com
"It shows you what we have and what we're capable of doing," right fielder Nick Markakis said. "We've got a great group of guys and we have great talent. It's just a matter of putting it together. When we put it together, we can play with anybody."
Showalter for president - baltimoresun.com
"Before Baltimore becomes swept up entirely in Ravens football (as impossible as that may be given the first place team's comeback win against the dread Steelers on the road), a tip of the cap is due to Buck Showalter and the Orioles ."
This Losing O's Season Somehow Feels Like A Success- About.com
"They made sparkling plays in the field. They avoided errors. They hustled. Their starting pitchers were phenomenal. The bullpen held leads. Hitters came through in the clutch. Fans had something to cheer about."
School of Roch: The real standings
Sure enough, if the season started Aug. 3, the O's would have won the A.L. East by 3.5 games. But Opening Day in August seems weird.
World Series ads on FOX will cost $450,000 per 30 seconds | HardballTalk
And they've sold 90% of their ad inventory. What recession?
New York Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter has a chance to show what he's really worth - ESPN New York
"Twelve million dollars over two years, maybe $10 million over two," one former GM said. "But I think he'll probably get a lot more than that." The Yankees are about to vastly overpay for an aging middle infielder. Serves 'em right.
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Kevin Cowherd
actually figured out that wins make fans more confident and that during the offseason it’s up to the GM to make the team better.
When will this guy be banned from the Sports section? Cutesy phrasing of the obvious was good for the old Accent section. Time for Kevin to go the way of that section.
Has there ever been a cooler Oriole than Eddie Murray? I mean, just straight up cool. Like a bad, suave dude. You know what I'm sayin'. COOL. SC 7/24/08
I had to check the calendar to make sure.
Feels like Thursday already.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
I was ok with going through the whole slide show until i got to
Declining homer, RBI totals marred what was an otherwise strong year in other facets.
And the decision to give Markakis a C+ because no one ever got on base for him.
I think I’ll pass on the next 20 slides.
It gets worse.
He quoted wins as the key stat for David Hernandez.
Though I can’t blame anyone for giving Nick a C+, if we’re grading based on expectations. Those two homers in the Detroit series are the only reason his OPS made it over .800 for the year.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Yeah,
the letter grade is much less important than the reasons for assigning it.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Also, Luke only got a B+?
Ice-cold April, I know, but he still managed to OPS over .900 and be one of the best hitters in the AL this year.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Since May 1
Luke Scott’s slash line is .300/.382/.566/.948
Take out those 21 games in April he played, and he had a darn good year.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
well, you can't
just like you can’t take credit away from nicky because he needed those last two homers. But, seriously? Luke Scott was a top 15 hitter in all of baseball. If he can’t get an A, then we must be using a stupid grading scale.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
Just to clarify,
I didn’t mean that those two homers count any less than if he’d hit them earlier — just that they barely pushed his OPS over .800. But you probably knew that.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Question: Still wearing Orioles hats or did you switch to a playoff team or a football hat?
I took off my Orioles hat yesterday and dusted off my Twins hat. I work with enough Yankee fans to make me feel good about myself.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
Wearing a Reds cap
to taunt the Phillies fans at work.
Although I consider it a Hiroshima Carp cap.
by browsermetrics on Oct 5, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
My 2 favorite teams are the Orioles and
whoever is playing the Yankees. So, right now, I am a Twins fan. However, not so much that I would wear Twins gear, even if I had any. If anything I will wear my ‘Yankees Suck’ T-Shirt and Orioles hat when I go to the Lightning/Thrashers game on Saturday.
Always O's or Dodgers (or UMd)
And the only reason I still rock the Dodgers under the McCourts is I own a ton of blue stuff (my HS colors where I work) and it’s the most beaten down, comfortable canvas hat ever.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
I wear my cartoon bird hat all year round.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
that's what barry bonds said
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Birds 60's cartoon hat all year round
My problem is I always wear it when I work out and when I do the run segment in the triathlons I do, and then don’t wash it after the salt stains build up, so I catch a lot of shit for that.
I've had a O's and Reds caps since I was a kid
Right now, I rotate Reds and Ravens
by drj on Oct 5, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
How can you just wear another team's hat like that?
I can’t even contemplate it.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, my dad belongs to the generation that gave up the family farm in Minnesota
I spent enough time in Minnesota to actually pronounce “sota” instead of “soda.” I like the Twins and the Vikings a good deal.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Oct 5, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, family ties are am acceptable reason.
Complaint is withdrawn.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't own anything other than O's hats or hats for teams I've played for.
I recently bought a Skins hat too.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
O's hat every day but Sunday
Sunday is for the Giants. The O’s hat is a staple of my wardrobe. Gotta represent, no matter what time of year.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
That's a lot of Buck love
lazy sportswriter syndrome kicked in again. The season’s storyline is now only seen through the Showalter Filter. But in all honesty, what did we really learn about the Orioles or Buck Showalter this year? Two months isn’t nearly enough to say we’ve turned the corner (if it were, Lee Mazzilli would still be around), but at the same time the Orioles ran a gauntlet in those last two months and came out pretty damn victorious.
Maybe we didn’t really learn anything except that we need some new infielders?
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
I'd say we learned the young guys CAN pitch for significant stretches of the season
Seriously, that renaissance was all about pitching. The starter’s ERA dropped 2 full points ovr Buck’s 40 games. He didn’t wave a magic wand and do that – they did. I’d say we learned we just may have the young pitching we thought we had, just 6 months later than we thought we’d have it.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
Thats why I'm thinking that we may not need another haggard vet to replace Millwood.
Let’s make the kids stand on their own two feet. Guthrie, time to finally step up. You are THE FUCKING MENTOR now, whether you like it or not. If we give up one arm and one position player for a quality long baller, by a trade, or go the FA route, we gotta a shot at a wild card next year, depending on who we keep from the current list of suspects.
I'd say Guthrie was the mentor this year
If there’s an arm out there who can make the O’s better at an acceptable price, go get him. But Guts can be the old guy. Matusz will be the ace of the staff by the ASG next year, anyway.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
It's true
I’m certainly a lot more optimistic about Arrieta and Matusz in particular today than I was on August 1st. It’s even at the point where I think it would be entirely foolish to pick up any new starting pitcher (unless, as discussed, we’re trading someone out for Cliff Lee)…so, yes. Yes, something about the pitching feels like it has been learned.
They all still have a lot to prove, though, of course.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
Of course
Let’s see them duplicate Aug/Sept over the first few month of next year, too.
Guts/Matusz/Arrieta/Bergesen/Tillman (or Hernandez or Berken or whomever) is a decent rotation. Obviously, if Cliff Lee can be had, go get him. If Brad Bergesen’s your 5th best starter, you’d doing OK.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
I know the Orioles won't and can't get Cliff Lee
but man, the very idea of it…
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Now I'm sorry I brought it up
it ain’t happening. I’ll even go out on a crazy ledge and say he doesn’t sign with the Yankees…but nobody is crazy enough to even entertain the notion of Cliff Lee in Baltimore.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
Oh no
I know. I 100% know it can’t happen. Don’t worry.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
But just imagine...
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
stop that
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
I'm sorry. It's the off-season.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I warned you about this yesterday!
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
If we can get Cliff Lee via the FA route I'm all about it.
Spend what you have to spend to make the deal. I have no idea what is in his head at this point and if he would even be interested, though. But still, just think…
Yeah, you guys are right...
…but JHC, can’t a guy dream?
down that road is madness
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
Ah, but that's what they said about landing a man on the moon.
But you’re right. No more talk about this. Banish the thought.
Maybe instead
We can talk about how great Carl Crawford would look in an Orioles uniform.
Oh…
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Along with Adrian Gonzalez...
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 5, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Or, while we're at it, Albert Pujols.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
All right, Vuff. Let's not go crazy ;)
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
care to convince me why its a good idea?
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
Are you unenthused with him period,
or just giving anything up for him via trade?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
the latter
If we could trade and extend I’d be frothing at the mouth for him, but I just don’t believe anyone could extend him.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
Would you agree, then, that we should probably stay in a holding pattern this offseason?
Personally, I’m really hesitant to trade, well, anybody right now. And while the FA class is weak, I’d rather treat 2011 as a 2010 do-over than trade, say, Tillman and Pie and have them break out elsewhere.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
everything depends on the trade market
I can’t answer not knowing what that market is going to be like. But I’d be more interested in finding a long term third baseman (if possible) than anything else. I really think that ought to be the priority.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
That bearish on Bell,
or just figuring Luke (or Nolan, if he figures himself out) can fill in at 1B for a while if necessary, so we can focus elsewhere?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
both
we all know about the first basemen coming up the pike (and without the Yankees in the bidding!), and finding a long-term shortstop answer is maybe the hardest thing to do as far as positional guys go, so the de facto priority becomes third base.
Also, anyone without serious questions about Bell at this point wasn’t paying any attention. He can still be the guy – I still like him…but I’m a lot less certain of it now.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
Oh, sure.
I basically agree. I keep having to remind myself just how bad Bell was at hitting, because I was pleasantly surprised by his glovework.
Is there anybody at 3B beyond Beltre, though? I haven’t thought about it much trade-wise.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
not to mention Zach Britton
now, about those infielders…
As good as the Orioles’ pitching was in the last two months of the season, they scored 238 runs, which still leaves them seriously lagging Boston (276), New York (296), Tampa (279), and Toronto (269). And that was with Roberts back and playing well, and Nick and Jones pretty much tearing it up.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
For whatever reason...
I imagine a finish like this while Flanagan/Wren/Beattie were calling the shots would have encouraged them to go out and spend whatever stupid money they could on a guy like Russell Branyan. I don’t have the same fears about this team now – they needed a lot of ridic pitching down the stretch to get that many wins, plus the return of a semi-healthy BBob. You can’t expect Bergy and Tillman to be that good all year, so hopefully the FO is taking a cautiously optimistic approach towards the offseason, focusing on adding reasonable pieces without going all in based on the post-Buck performances.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
We didn't learn anything except that we need some new infielders...
…and yet the two free agents we’re most likely to re-sign, according to all the press guesses, are Cesar Izturis and Ty Wigginton.
Fuck.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
That's more an...
indication that the market is thread-bare, right? Ignoring Jeter and Pujols, who really is out there to go get that would actually sign here for something close to market rate?
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with what you're saying, definitely.
That doesn’t mean I have to like it, though. :)
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
No...
we shouldn’t like it at all, but the fact is you go to play baseball with the team you have, not the team you want, or something like that.
I just want them to be competitive next year – in games and with eachother. I want Andino to push Bell (sounds strange, but work with me) at 3B. I want someone to force Buck to play Wiggs as a UT guy only.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Derek Jeter -- overpaid?!? Next they'll be saying Glenn Beck is loony!!
Today’s real question: should I go to a US embassy reception here Sun. evening “in honor of the California Trade Delegation led by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger?”
I mean, I didn’t vote for Arnie — and wouldn’t have if I still lived in CA. But it is a nice photo op, I guess. And I did miss my chance for a candid with Alex Ovechkin last year at the embassy 4th of July party…which drew me a caustic EPIC FAIL from duck.
So I should go, right? And say what to The Governator? “Get outta Sacramento, get back to Hollywood”? “Y’know, I kind of liked ‘Red Heat’?” “How ’bout those Giants?”
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
"Get your ... to Mars!"
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
Wait, how about shaking hands with him, and then abruptly stalking off to get another drink, saying [base voice] "I'll be back!"?
Think anybody’s ever tried that line on him before?
I once came across Bill Murray in an airport bookstore — it was agony NOT to say, “Phil? Phil Connors?!? I thought that was you”!" But I didn’t…
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
I don't see how you could pass up a chance to gladhand with the Governator.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
call him the famous comedian Arnold Braunschweiger
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
Good for him
very happy that Huff is in the postseason. I used to hate the Giants. Now, I’m rooting for them to go all the way.
I'll admit, it's making me a bit conflicted.
The Phillies are my NL team, but I’ll feel awful for Huff if they play each other in the NLCS and knock him out.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Aw I am so happy for Huff
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Based on the looks of that kid I'd say he had one in Baltimore as well?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I just hope we've gotten all the freak injuries of the next few years out of the way.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
We have an interesting slot in the draft, sitting right behind the D-Backs.
It will be awesome if either Purke or Cole fell to the O’s as a result of the D-Backs drafting a more ‘signable’ pick in the 3rd slot.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
why would they?
they’ll get the 7th (IIRC) pick for not signing Loux which won’t have any non-signable compensation, but their 3rd pick will be a normal pick. I’m not worried, we’ll still get someone good. Way too early to try to figure out who though.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
So,
totally off-topic, but I am exuberant and have to share!
I returned late last night from a week’s vacation which culminated in three days at Oktoberfest in Munich. My first full day at the festival was probably the most fun I’ve ever had in a single day in my lifetime.
I cannot encourage enough that everyone here try to go at some point in their lives. I am already calculating how to get back.
Prosit!
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I'm fully planning on going next year.
I just started a new project at work and our kickoff has been over the past few weeks…so couldn’t make it this year. I’ve wanted to go forever.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 5, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
expect literally tens of thousands of people looking like this
it’s truly awesome. and the best roasted chicken I’ve ever tasted.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Hofbrauhaus, Munich: possibly the most congenial place in the world to get pleasantly messed up.
Although this guy probably didn’t get that far this particular day…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12APdwFKPdc&NR=1&feature=fvwp
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
That's awesome! Oktoberfest in Munich has been in my brain for a few years now.
It’s just a matter of planning ahead well in advanced and squirreling away enough money for the trip.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 5, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Totes Off Topic...
But for all you political nerds out there, the new 538 site at the NYT is fan-fucking-tastic. I’m letting the end of the Orioles season sit for a bit before going back and looking at the numbers, so political statistics are my change of pace.
I;m looking through the Maryland numbers in the Gov. race and I could just look at this shit all day.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
I read it nearly everyday. Nate Silver is a fucking genius.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 5, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
It warms my...
soulless liberal heart that he still has Md going to O’Malley despite the fact that this is a Republican year. Not that M’OM is my favorite dude, but still gotta rep your team, ya know?
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
How could people forget that he was a horrible governor the first time around?
Ehrlich, that is.
I'm back. YAY SUMMER!
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Also don’t forget that there are a lot of angry Republicans who are guaranteed to vote and a lot of whiny Democrats who might stay home.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I would agree...
generally – as a whole, you’re likely to see Democrats come out in smaller numbers than Republicans. But in MD – lacking a Tea Party candidate to get behind and drive that interest (Ehrlich is nothing if not “establishment”), I see it being a typical MD year. The I-95 corridor is blue in large enough numbers that it completely overshadows the red in the rest of the state.
Where it gets scary is in small states like Del and NH – will McMahon really be the junior Senator from New Hampshire? Will O’Donnell (who’s first major ad buy leads with “I’m not a witch”) come close to Coons? That’s where this enthusiasm gap will come into play.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
She turned me into a newt...
I got better
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
Cognitive Dissonance
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 5, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
The same reason we're...
still Orioles fans, right?
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
He should be blocked from office...
for unleashing the foolishness of Michael Steele on the rest of the country.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not all that into politics, with a few exceptions
but when I see blanket statements without substantiations from people who were eight years old when Ehrlich took office… I don’t know. As someone who didn’t really pay attention to anything political until 2008 and who is leaning Ehrlich, I’d much rather see reasons why instead of circle-jerks.
Frankly...
I’m not as put off by the former Gov. as I have been by other local legislators (looking at you, Roscoe Bartlett) and executives (fuck off Wayne Curry).
Generally I think he holds inconsistent positions about budget management and taxation. He’s in bed with the dirty conspiracy folks that talk all day on WBAL and benefits from his freaking wife scare mongering on her shows.
O’Malley is a social climber but at least cut the budget pretty harshly to go along with the tax increases, so there’s some fiscal sanity in that.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not everyone would say that
He approved the Thorton Commission funding for incerased teacher pay, froze tuition at state colleges, and started the Flush Tax (sorry, fee) to help with Chesapeake Bay programs. And he’s not the one that rasied the state sales tax top 6%.
That said, I’m voting for and volunteering for O’Malley. But Ehrlich does have an argument to make.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
I'm outing myself here...
but I was, once upon a time, a…Republican. Yes, I was 18 and I thought that they really meant what they said about not being into nation-building and thinking that government should stay out of obvious private issues. I saw the corruption of single-party Democratic rule in PG and thought that new leadership would be different.
That said, I voted for Al Gore and straight Democrats the entire way in 2000 – and have voted for one Republican since then (and have re-registered as a Democrat). The lone®? Bob Ehrlich in 2002. Pretty much annoyed at the bizarre campaign on name alone run by KKT, I said screw it and pulled the lever for Bob. Didn’t ever really regret the choice, discounting the whole Michael Steele thing.
I think he’s wrong about taxes and even more wrong on social issues. I’d prefer that if Annapolis ever got around to legalizing gay marriage that the Governor wouldn’t be there waiting for a veto.
I didn’t vote fo
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
my post above was poorly worded and a little rambling, but basically Bob is a Republican and things that the government should get out of our bedrooms and doctor’s offices, unless the bedroom includes gay people and the doctor’s office has women who want to have an abortion.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If only a libertarian were an actual thing...
instead of a code word for ‘uber-republican’.
What is it called when you believe that people should be allowed to do whatever it is that they want, as long as it doesn’t infringe on the rights of others… and you also believe that government should spend money and/or raise taxes when necessary, but do it with common-sense and accountability, and stop spending and/or raising taxes when it isn’t necessary any longer. Whatever that is called, that’s what I am.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
an idealist
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
I guess you can only be an idealist for so long
before you become a cynic… and you can only be a cynic so long before you become a nihilist. My goal is to remain blissfully unaware that idealism and a firm grasp of reality are mutually exclusive, because I have never met a happy nihilist before.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
The older I get...
the more I realize that in order to be a national politician, you have to sell something out. To some degree, I get that.
But what burns me is when the people within the political machine actively work against things they either believe or know to be right, just because it might be a difficult campaign issue.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I know one person who is ACTUALLY a libertarian
Most who claim to be libertarians are just Republicans.
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James F is a libertarian
He’s no Republican. He’s the only one I know, though. I have another friend who claims libertarian as well and he’s straight up Republican. So stupid.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Most people don't know the definition of a libertarian
They just don’t want to be labeled as a Republican.
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Most people don't know the true definition of a libertarian
Are you a libertarian?
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That's what my voter registration card says
But I’d love to hear the true definition, just to make sure I have it right.
I'm not saying you don't have it right.
I’m saying a lot of people don’t. And this isn’t coming from me. This is coming from a family friend who is a true libertarian, and he hates the number of people who say they’re libertarians and really aren’t.
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I do agree with this
the Tea Party movement is really just fucking things up for the rest of us. It’s totally been hijacked by right-wing religious types.
I would argue...
that the RNC has been “fucking things up” for the rest of us since about 1970.
The Tea Party is a catchy name and attracts some political neophytes – but don’t be fooled, it’s funding comes from big business.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, like the guy who might beat Feingold?
(one the few honest politicians out there) He’s a billionaire but considers himself to be a Tea Party-er.
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Lina McMahon...
wife of Vince McMahon and current President of WWE , thinks WWE is a “small business”. It posted 7 figure profits in the 2Q – 2010!
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's all I was saying.
The Tea Party is awful. Another reason to despise Sarah Palin.
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Despise the...
Koch brothers and Dick Armey (more bad Dick names Stacey!) more than Palin.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The Tea Party is awful
Says the liberal.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
You like saying things like that,
with a seeming undertone of “all reasonable people agree,” but rarely explain why.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Okay...really. Shut up.
Just shut up. I know you’ll respond with your “just ignore me crap,” but I’ve kind of gotten sick of you judging people on here, but then acting like you aren’t. We all accept your world views, but aren’t required to like them. I think you ought to do the same.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Sorry....I get worked up sometimes.
But I really don’t like the insinuation going on drinking is immoral and anybody who supports the Tea Party is an idiot or (insert synonym here). Keep it to yourself like we’ve all been directed to do by our mods and guidelines.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I didn't say you had to like them
And since when am I different from anybody else on here? You don’t attack O’sFan21 when he makes fun of the Tea Party. I think you need to calm down before you drive everyone away. I’m seriously considering leaving, and yes, be happy about that, because everyone is so abrasive.
When I first came here I wasn’t welcomed and honestly? I haven’t felt different since. I know you guys are a tight-knit community and you don’t seem very accepting. So thank you very much.
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Yes...I do get pissed when he does that.
We’ve done our fair share of arguing. I’m sure he can vouch for that.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
He actually does attack me too. haha
but we have a pre-existing rapport
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
We both share a hatred of UZR though
and that takes precedence over politics.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Stats, man, they're ridiculous
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
I think everyone needs to chill
I’m about to get all mom up in here.
Twisted, I get your point, believe me, but telling someone to shut up is a little harsh. I know you’re frustrated, but you really don’t need to get mean.
DCO’sfan, I’m sorry if you don’t feel welcome, I really hate when that happens. But you do present your points of view in very black and white terms. It’s not all your fault, I know I’m going to sound condescending but a lot of it has to do with your age.
And as twisted and O’sFan21 have already confirmed, they argue all the time. But O’sFan21 gives it back to him and doesn’t say he’s going to take his ball and go home, and eventually they get tired of each other and move on.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Umm
eventually they get tired of each other and move on.
Not me usually…hahahaha
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Well
oh yeah you never drop anything. What was I thinking?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Correction
“And as twisted and O’sFan21 have already confirmed, they argue all the time. But O’sFan21 gives it back to him and doesn’t say he’s going to take his ball and go home, and eventually I get tired of them and tell them to just kiss already.”
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
IT'S ADAM AND EVE...
NOT ADAM AND STEVE!
/amiright?
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That's my favorite part.
The kissing. Usually over a bottle of fuck-UZR.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
by O'sFan21 on Oct 5, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes you annoy me
Then you say something like that and crack me up.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
HAHAHA
You’re a funny one! A real card.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
we really should get a beer sometime
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
at that wing place!
although last time I was there I got the stare down from some tattooed locals…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Hahahaha
Well, did you say something to deserve the stare? Maybe they’re UZR fans….
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I was
wearing my “UZR sucks and anybody that likes it is stupid!” shirt at the time.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
See? There's an explanation for everything.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Thanks.
Sometimes people on here can be really abrasive and it feels like they’re attacking, and a lot of the time it seems like their intention.
I know a lot of people don’t like me on here, and they’ve made that perfectly clear. That’s why I’m considering leaving. What’s the point of contributing (or not contributing?) to a community where you aren’t liked?
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Please don't leave
Just try to understand that your tone has been abrasive. And everyone’s has, it’s the nature of the interwebs.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
ugh, meant to say
that doesn’t mean you aren’t liked or that your opinions aren’t misinformed or meaningless or useless to the discussion…but tone is very important. I just wish I could remember that more often.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
DCO'sfan, this
that doesn’t mean you aren’t liked or that your opinions aren’t misinformed or meaningless or useless to the discussion…but tone is very important. I just wish I could remember that more often.
Hope you stay!
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
Nobody dislikes you
Nobody knows you enough to dislike you. But you can come off a little judge-y sometimes and I think that rubs people the wrong way.
Lots of people don’t like me on here (James F literally won’t acknowledge anything I say, for example lol), but whatever. That’s life – some people are going to like you and some people won’t.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I'm starting to think
my alter-ego won’t acknowledge anything anyone says to him anymore.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
James isn't ignoring anyone
Well, except O’sFan21 :) His job has him working 18 hour days every single week so he’s been forced to abandon us. I email him every now and then to make sure he’s still alive.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
a likely excuse
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
Lots of people don’t like me on here (James F literally won’t acknowledge anything I say, for example lol), but whatever. That’s life – some people are going to like you and some people won’t.
I’m sure that’s directed at me as well. As far as like or dislike goes, I really don’t have an opinion because I really don’t know you. But in terms of shooting the breeze, our conservations don’t tend to go anywhere.
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
Yea...we usually have to separate Osfan and Birdman
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
yes, the sexual tension is sometimes too much.
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
It's easy to think that
But honestly that’s just the way they interact. Since I othered you by saying it has to do with your age, I’ll other them (again) by saying that they’re boys. Generally, that’s how they talk, and it doesn’t bother them when people talk to them that way either. Add that in with the lack of inflection that comes from words on a screen rather than from someone’s mouth and it can be rough to interpret.
Trust me I know how you feel. It just takes some getting used to.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Stacey:
Thank you again.
And to the rest of you, thank you as well. I’m an opinionated person, that’s just who I am. I wasn’t aware that my tone was abrasive, and I guess that’s just me being oblivious. For that, I apologize.
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by DCO'sfan on Oct 5, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yay! rec'd!
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
You're not alone in being opinionated
As long as you realize that other people on here are just as steadfast in their beliefs, you’ll disagree, you’ll get annoyed, you’ll move on.
Honestly I don’t even participate in a lot of these kinds of discussions, not because I don’t have an opinion, but because I really hate the tone they take and I don’t want to let myself get upset because no one else is getting upset, it’s just them being who they are.
The important thing to remember is that we’re all awesome just by the very fact that we’re not Yankee fans.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
yes, the conversation here is very gendered
Not sure if that’s a good or bad thing.
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
It's just life, I think.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Nah...I just don't like your tone.
This is the internet. It has nothing to do with not liking you. I don’t like the comments you make here (well…the tone of the comments). As you can see, I have no problem with voicing…errr…typing my issues.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
It’s not all your fault, I know I’m going to sound condescending but a lot of it has to do with your age.
And I’ll just say that people should be mindful of her age. That doesn’t excuse the content of her words obviously. But, this is just me, I usually just don’t bother to respond when I hear a high school student something that I don’t find particularly compelling. I guess I could try to turn it into a “teaching moment” but it’s too much work.
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
This is the internet though....
If nobody told me she’s 15, I wouldn’t have known.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
There's a...
Chris Hansen joke in there somewhere.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think I missed something there...
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Just the part about...
not knowing a girl was 15 (and therefore underage) unless someone told you.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
Yea…that’s always an issues. Happens all the time!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Sorry. Wasn't trying to be mean.
Took the wrong approach of saying: quit telling me you’re better than me for not drinking and hating the Tea Party and such.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
But that's what I meant.
I’m just being honest. I’d probably rather have somebody tell me to stop judging than shut up.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I like constitutional principles.
I couldn’t care less about the individuals or groups on either side, which is why I largely hate politics.
And notice you don’t actually respond to my point.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
No...that's just what you've been told.
But I’m not a tea party person. I just read the paper and it tells me everyday that the tea party is bad. I just stopped paying attention because the same newspapers think Obama is a god among men.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
yeah Obama is getting nothing but good press these days...
lol
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Okay true, he isn't getting that now.
He used to be though, and that’s kinda when the Tea Party started taking off.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Slight disagreement...
the man was in office for a little under a month before Santelli’s rant in Chicago and the first organized TP rally’s in the ensuing months.
/carryon
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I watch TV and I see excerpts from their rallies
THAT’S why I think they’re awful. But they’re more than awful, they’re SCARY. I am seriously worried about my future if the Tea Party takes over this country.
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Honestly, there is no such thing as The Tea Party
There is no national organization, and no politically registered party. There is no platform.
What does exist is a group of conservative billionaires funding a movement towards there ends and cloaking it in populism.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
One of my HS teachers is a Libertarian
He even ran for the US Senate seat in DE as the Libertarian candidate back in the mid 90’s. His slogan was “Pull the lever for Beaver”
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
His name is Dan Beaver
So, Duck, you ain’t the only one with an animal-themed surname.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Check out the Dem candidate for MD-06
EXACT same name as my son. Well, not sure about the middle name…
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
I saw that...
Andrew Duck – right?
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
solid name, Duck
SOLID AS A ROCK
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
I've seen him and his entourage drive though Manchester during past elections
one of the cars had a large brightly-lit rubbery ducky on the roof.
Pull the lever!
Which one?
sign pops out that proclaims “This lever, stupid”, and lever handle begins flashing red and making a slight buzzing sound
Spot this reference and you get a non-real cookie.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Benny! Is that you?
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
Nose? That don't rhyme with walls!
No… but this does. punt
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
nice booby trap
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
I can support that
if the lever is connected to a trap door in the floor above a cage of starved tigers and the Beaver is (natch) Garret Atkins.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
typical libertarian
Using a british pronunciation to make a pun.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
The Republicans hide behind the "I hate government spending"
When in fact it’s WHAT we’re spending our money on. If it were up to them they would still spend a ton of money, but they wouldn’t spend it on abortion rights, universal healthcare, government economic regulation (which is needed in this recession) etc. etc.
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I agree here, despite being a conservative.
This is what makes me hate politics: both sides just want to spend money, because that makes it a lot easier to get re-elected.
And I hope your private school gives you some Hayek to go with your Keynes…
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I don't mind the government spending if it benefits our country
And I think much of it does.
By the way, I’m surrounding by Republicans in private school. Rich Jews = Republican.
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I'd argue
that rich people in general = whichever party would make them richer.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
No, it's not really that.
It’s 1) the Israel issue which we should NOT go into right now and 2) The Republicans cut taxes for the rich.
So yes, I suppose that it does make them richer, but that’s not the only reason. Plus, the Israel issue is not only an issue for the rich Jews, so that adds more Republicans.
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I'd be curious to hear your...
point of view on Israel – especially as a young Jew.
I don’t get much political discourse from people who disagree with me so I’d really enjoy hearing from people here since we have somewhat of a rapport and some commonality as O’s fans. Within limits of course – I hate the mud throwing bullshit you see elsewhere.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
I was raised a liberal Zionist and still am. I am pro-Israel, but I’m pro-peace. I believe in compromise in order to achieve peace. The settlements are a horrible idea and they just exacerbate the tension. I’m not like some on the left who believe the Palestinians are an oppressed nation. I believe that the Israelis could be better to the Palestinians, but it goes both ways. If you’re going to set off a bomb in a crowded bus, I don’t think you deserve much sympathy.
I much more liberal on the matter than others in the Jewish community. I don’t blindly support Israel, but I’m a supporter.
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Wow...
The settlements are a horrible idea and they just exacerbate the tension.
I have limited exposure to people who consider themselves to be in any form “Zionist”, but this statement both shocked me and made me encouraged that someday there might be some legitimate progress.
I argue that the problem of for Palestinians is that for years the oil elites in Iran and Saudi Arabia (not to mention Syria) have used them as a proxy. Israelis are wary of the funding the “democratically elected” governments of the Palestinian territory for this very reason.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
True on Israel.
But nationally, the richest voted for Obama.
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2009/10/who-do-those.html
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
You do know that the majority of the people Obama classifies as "rich" voted for him right?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Whoops...sorry Vuff
Didn’t see you already mentioned that.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
No worries.
I took forever finding it.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Should tell you something
when the very people affected by the ending of the tax cuts for the rich voted for the guy who’s always said he’s going to do it.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
What, exactly?
When it’s suggested that the rich are conservative, it’s because they’re greedy jerks, but when it’s pointed out that they voted liberal, it’s because they think those policies will help people more? Come on.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Well
actually I would argue that barely more rich people voted for Obama than McCain, so it’s probably not enough to really draw any conclusions. But I agree that there is more to the argument than greedy rich people vote republican to keep more of their money.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Adam Smith would say
the free market depends on everyone acting in their own self-interest.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
Rich Jews = Republican
Um, major generalization there. Maybe it’s true in DC. Not true everywhere.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I was going to step away from this discussion but since you've engaged me I'll answer
It’s true in my school, which happens to be about 90% wealthy Jews. My school does represent a large percentage of the rich Jews in the DC area, so I think it’s a fair representation. However, I acknowledge that it isn’t true in other places, but it’s true here.
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right
However, I acknowledge that it isn’t true in other places, but it’s true here.
this was my point.
Rich Jews in Washington DC Who Send Their Kids to Your School = Republican.
Rich Jews in Other Places (With Kids at The Park School in Baltimore, for example, and also In Most of Los Angeles) ≠ Republican.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Not those only who send kids to my school
I’m in BBYO (a Jewish youth group) and it’s made up of mostly western MoCo rich kids who go to the only good public schools in MoCo—BCC, Whitman, Churchill, Walter Johnson, Wooton…I can’t think of any more. Anyway, they’re mostly Republicans too. But the Israel issue is probably the most prominent, deciding factor for American Jews right now, and I think that may be what sways them more than money.
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are the kids republican, or are their parents republican?
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Those two things often go hand-in-hand,
but not always.
Particularly recently.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Well then I'd say it's the parents who are Republicans
And they can actually vote.
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Definitely not true.
I do not vote the same way as my parents. Sometimes, but not regularly. Also, I know tons of wealthy Jews who are not Republican. I also know many not-so-wealthy Jews (dunno what your description of wealthy is) that aren’t Republicans either.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Also, I know tons of wealthy Jews who are not Republican.
Yeah, the overwhelming majority of wealthy Jews I know are hard-core Democrats. That’s why I originally took issue.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I don't know.
Most of the rich Jews I know are Reps. Even in the liberal circles I run in.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I'm a not-so-wealthy Jew
and I’m a hard-core democrat. But it’s all relative really depending on your perception and definition of wealth.
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Better than hiding behind "we spend your money"
But who cares? Dems act like their shit doesn’t stink, but no matter what party your from…you’re going to misuse my hard-earned money. Its just funny to watch liberals spew the hate like they do so much better than the Republicans when, in fact, both parties don’t know shit.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Hmmm
I would argue that Republicans are MUCH better at spin, but maybe that’s not what you’re talking about when you say “spew their hate.”
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Oh, Republicans have themselves some Colbert-sized balls, for sure
They’ll sit & watch in approval as their presidential candidate’s brother steals an election, watch a Court full of people appointed by the father of those 2 guys ratify the theft, and STILL bark at the moon about “judicial activisim” and “unelected judges”.
They have no problem with an ignorant, arrogant, petulent, grievoulsy savage child president who ignores and thoroughly botches a “war of necessity” just so he can start a war based purely on his oil lust, vanity and unresolved daddy issues – all the while cutting taxes for billionaires – and still present themselves as the “party of fiscal responsibility”.
They oinked and baaaed and barked their approval of illegal wiretaps without warrents, imprisonment with charges or a trial and torture, and then explain to us how Social Security and a federal minimum wage are “unconstitutional”
They’ll happily impeach a D president for a matter that’s beneath trivial, but how do they respond when the leader of that particular lynch mob was caught nailing soon-to-be wife #3 by wife #2? Chirp, chirp, chirp go the crickets…
When it comes to campaigning (and foreign policy) they are apex predators. Feral, slavering carnivores. And the Ds, with very few exceptions (Dean, Feingold, Grayson) are pathetic, squeaking gerbils who become din-din for said carnivores.
"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."
- Cap'n Phil Harris
by sluggo 2.0 on Oct 5, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But when DEMS waste money
there’s a chance it will help me. When Republicans waste money, it almost never helps me. :)
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
And to think the libs are calling the Republicans greedy and such!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I'm just honest about my personal greed :)
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
So am I
I don’t wanna pay for your healthcare. I already pay too much for my own :-)
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
You're really oversimplifying the opposing viewpoint here.
Few conservatives say the government should restrict what gays do in their bedrooms. It’s labeling it “marriage” that we object to. And if you believed that abortion were murder, you’d have a problem with it, too.
Getting into an actual debate about either of those here is a terrible idea, but I get really tired of people here misrepresenting conservative views.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Dontcha know?
Some old fiction book (that most of these “Libertarians” haven’t even read) says that marriage is between a man and a woman, silly!
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
This is where I'm going to give the required "tread carefully" speech
I know that we historically are very good at having political conversations without a lot of anger or the other craziness that tends to go on. But this topic is very, very serious to me. So anyone who wants to talk about this, please read and re-read what you wrote to make sure it’s acceptable before hitting post.
Thank you.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
That's why, as I said, I'm not going to debate this here.
I don’t think there’s any way to do it without emotions flaring.
And, O’sFan… I’m not going to make a huge deal out of it, but it’s not very respectful to dismiss the Bible as “some old fiction book.”
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I would argue that it’s not very respectful to object to labeling it “marriage” either, but I don’t think that’s going to get us anywhere.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I would say it's disrespectful towards marriage to label it such,
but yeah, we’re not going to get anywhere. I assume you’re not suggesting that your form of “disrespect” is okay, but mine isn’t.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I care much more about being respectful of people than of a word. Not that disrespecting either is ok, but I think when one has to choose between respecting people at the expense of some people’s interpretations of a word and respecting some people’s interpretations of a word at the expense of some people, I don’t think it’s a tough decision.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
And also
I’m not really dismissing it as some old fiction book – it’s a great read for an old fiction book and there’s lots of great lessons in it (as well as some awful ones). I just wish that’s all it was…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I think you...
are selling short the legal history here – Lawrence v. Texas was only in 2003, mind you.
I also would attack the ideological consistency and the legal justification for creating a separate legal classification for Hetero and Homo “partnerships”. We wen’t through that in Brown v. Board in 1954.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
As opposed to the liberal we-know-better-than-you's...
..who shout “Keep your laws off my body!” unless that law has to do with mandated healthcare, soda and candy taxes, fruits and veggies in McD’s Happy Meals, cigarette taxes, etc.
“Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good, will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
— C.S. Lewis
Ah yes
Why don’t we all take advice from the author of The Chronicles of Narnia!
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Why do his fiction writings reduce his credibility, exactly?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I was curious about the same thing
but basically, just remember that O’sFan21 is like the Joker and he’ll burn down any argument he disagrees with any way he can. He’s a troll, but he’s our troll.
Why so serious?
Is it the scars?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I just can never tell how much to bother pointing out counter-arguments,
in case people who lurk get the impression everyone here agrees with him. :P
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I really resent the troll comment
I’m here every single day commenting on anything and everything.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
well then you'll just have to take my word for it
trolling is a art I certainly can appreciate and enjoy, but if it’s a title you do not wish to be associated with, just forget I said anything.
To me
it’s somebody who pops up just to stir up shit (like that dbag Tigers fan the other day) – not somebody who actually contributes to the community here.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
well, "contributes" might be a little much ;)
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Hey!
I was going to try to make one of those little sad faces, but it doesn’t flip over here like it does in Skype.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Hey, isn't it about time for you to get married?
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I'm sure the stats will confrim that.
Although your UZR has been a bit down this year. You just aren’t a plus player anymore.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
They don't necessarily
but I don’t necessarily see the wisdom in listening to a guy who is most famous for writing fiction and never did anything of note in the political or leadership realm?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I would argue that political skill generally proves antithetical to wisdom.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Ok...
can you provide any rationale for us taking his advice on anything political?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
See duck, below.
I don’t particularly care about someone’s qualifications, but his/her argument. If the latter makes sense to me, the former don’t matter. If the former are strong, then I’ll consider the argument more seriously, but it doesn’t mean I automatically find it persuasive.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
That's reasonable
but I don’t find the argument particularly compelling or applicable to our current political climate. Combine that with a total lack of qualifications and I’m neither impressed nor convinced..
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
You could do worse than the author of the Screwtape Letters
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
Agreed
In the end he didn’t convince me of anything, but he kept me entertained & more important, he kept me thinking. A very logical defense of a viewpoint, IMO, is by definition illogical.
"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."
- Cap'n Phil Harris
Just when that horse was dead...
You do realize that people who argue against gay marriage and abortion don’t want to tax it – they want to make it illegal?
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm...yes?
I honestly couldn’t give two shits either way about gay marriage. Just pointing out the pot and kettle hypocrisy of the R and D cheerleaders.
Except they aren't the same...
so you can’t say Democrats proposing a tax on cigarettes are “the same” as people who thing gay folks shouldn’t have the same legal protections as straight couples.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
so now we want apples to marry oranges!?
wait, I may not be following this conversation accurately
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
I think the orange wants to marry a goat
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
No....
It was def the apples marrying the goats.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Who gets penguins? I'm so confused.
So, a penguin decides to take a trip into town and drives in.
Just as he gets there, the car starts to smoke. He pulls into a garage, and the mechanic says it will be a while, go grab lunch or something.
So the penguin waddles down to a diner, has a sandwhich and orders a ice cream cone to go.
On his way back to the garage, it’s hot, and he gets some on him. Poor penguin.
Penguin walks into the garage, and the mechanic says, “Looks like you blew a seal.”
Penguin just stares at him and says “I swear, it’s just ice cream!”
Thanks, I’ll be here all week…
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
haha duck
A lighthearted tale about the slippery slope that begins with letting two dudes be husbands and ends with penguins wanting to go down on seals AND be allowed on the seal’s health insurance.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
haha duck
A lighthearted tale about the slippery slope that begins with letting two dudes be husbands and ends with penguins wanting to go down on seals AND be allowed on the seal’s health insurance.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
haha stacey
A non-lighthearted tale about double posts and such.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
lol my internet went out for like a minute
I guess this happened as a result
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Penguins are stuck with celibacy...
Its not like anyone would marry someone so awkward anyways. Only in the movies. Like Shia LeBouf getting Megan Fox in Transformers 1. Yea….like that’ll happen.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Penguins are adorable
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Don't get all BSF on me.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
For a minute...
I thought BSF hacked her login.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
nope
"When you use those words, `mystique’ and `aura,’ those are dancers in a night club. Those are not things we concern ourselves on the ball field." - Curt Schilling on if the Yankees mystique and aura would affect the Diamondbacks in the 2001 World Series.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 5, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If apples are allowed to marry oranges...
…then who knows what would be next? Pomegranates and arugula? Beets and pork cashews? An abomination, I say!
Pomegranate seeds go awesome on argula salads....
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
not in the bible they don't!
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
are pom seeds even mentioned in the bible?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I though poms were some kind of crazy fruit somebody dreamed up in a lab
But now everyone has to grow cuz its cool (mostly so some fool can charge like 10 bucks for a 20 oz thing of “pure pom juice”)
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
lol.
There’s some thing in the bible about how there are 613 seeds in every pomegranate and that’s important because there are 613 commandments in the Torah.
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Holy guacamole (or should we say holy strange red fruit)
I did not know that. Never counted the seeds in a pomegranate before though. Usually I just buy them in a little plastic container.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I'm not sure how true it is.
It’s just something that’s “said to be true.” There’s a lot of that in Judaism. It’s kinda cool to think about though.
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Here's a more complete explanation
(credit wikipedia)
“Jewish tradition teaches that the pomegranate is a symbol for righteousness, because it is said to have 613 seeds which corresponds with the 613 mitzvot or commandments of the Torah. For this reason and others, many Jews eat pomegranates on Rosh Hashanah. However, the actual number of seeds likely varies widely with individual fruits.”
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I suggest buying a pomegranate and counting the seeds
Full report to the group tomorrow.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I don't even know where one goes about buying a pomegranate
Although admittedly I haven’t looked. Oh well, I just came back from the grocery store so the report will have to wait until Thursday.
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The only place I'm jumping in this entire political conversation
Its widely suspected that the apple from the garden of Eden was more likely a pomegranate.
Really?
Awesome. I’m going to ask my bible teacher about that. We’re studying the garden of Eden now.
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Studying?
Good grief. Sounds like a real corker to me, even as someone who is fairly religious.
But yea…you can get a pomegranate in most grocery stores. Wegmans and Teets definitely have them.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Yeah, we have a whole curriculum in Jewish day school
It’s hard-core stuff. This year I have two Hebrew language classes, two Jewish history classes, and two bible/rabbinic classes. On top of that I have english, history, math, and science. This is what I was saying yesterday. You can’t get a Jewish education while in public school or even an adequate one in Hebrew school.
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Then why...
did you do it in the first place?
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't.
I was, in general, pointing out the hypocrisy of the people who fight for personal freedom, but only the personal freedom they approve of.
Again...
you’ve missed the point:
proposing we decide to impart an excise tax on something is completely different than saying that a part of the population can’t do something everyone else can. We can still buy cigarettes and candy – gay people still can’t get married.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to regret this, aren't I?
gay people still can’t get married
Strictly speaking, false. But yes, taxing vs. legality are different issues. You’re intrepeting his point differently from what he meant; you’ve made yours.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
You want the long response:
Gay people still lack the fundamental ability to be married and have that marriage recognized and extended the benefits therein in all 50 states and US territories.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
No, you're missing the point.
Homosexuals can marry; they just can’t marry each other.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
well then that certainly makes it ok
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Which makes a whole lot of sense...
now doesn’t it?
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
This may just be semantics, arguably,
but wanting to make something illegal and not wanting to introduce a new right are two very different things.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
You mean...
like extending the basic protections afforded to one sub-group is apparently in the constitution but not the other. Right.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep in mind that the argument against abortion
is that we made laws to stop protecting a sub-group.
Marriage is a more complex issue, but I’m sticking to what I said, that I’m not going to get into a debate about specifics.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
The argument that abortion should be illlegal...
grants agency to a developing fetus/child, unable to survive outside the womb until 26 weeks, but removes it from a woman.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
A peculiar campaign approach too
stand up for “people” who can’t talk/breath/eat while putting down almost half of the voting population.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Abortion and gay marriage
and it’s only day two of the off season.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Reeeeally slow day at work.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Look,
if you believed that we’ve had infanticide and genocide (disproportionate affect on blacks) occurring since Roe vs. Wade, you’d be a lot more concerned about the morality of what’s going on and changing people’s minds than what platform will get you the most votes tomorrow.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Genocide?
Ok – this I have to ask – who is commiting genocide? Can a group commit self-genocide?
According to the UN (1948 CPPCG):
“any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”
Who is trying to destroy black babies? White people? ZOG?
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine, not the best word.
But I’m about to leave work, and a discussion of how the welfare state and abortion have hurt the black family would take way too long to post.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I would be interested in...
hearing your point of view.
But frankly this johnny-come-lately attitude of some RtL’ers to the plight of poor blacks rings hollow to me.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Short (okay, maybe not) version:
1. Social programs include those designed to give various groups in unfortunate circumstances different types of welfare. These groups include single mothers.
2. Welfare, like it or not, acts as a subsidy for poor behavior, especially when not conditional on other factors. It makes the consequences of bad decisions less severe. Thus it is now easier to be a single mother than it was.
3. Because it is now easier to be a single mother, women are more comfortable with raising their children alone — even though it’s not their first choice — and thus are less cautious with their sexuality. At the same time, it’s easier for men to rationalize abandoning women they’ve impregnated.
4. Boys raised by single moms are much more likely to be involved in crime, and girls raised by single moms are much more likely to be loose with their sexuality, making the same mistakes their mothers made. Poverty increases, and the cycle perpetuates itself.
And, this storyline has disproportionately hurt blacks. That’s mostly about the welfare angle; for abortion, I believe it’s something like 30% of abortions are had by 12% of the population — and this is likely contributed to by the greater frequency of poverty and lower frequency of marriage among blacks.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Do you think blacks in America were better off before or after welfare?
And I thought your argument was that abortion hurt the black community? How does the fact that they have more of them than other races hurt their community?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I’d say they’ve been far better off since the civil rights movement, but that removal of immoral and unconstitutional laws which hurt them did most or all of the good, and that any good welfare did is in the past now.
And having (potential, if you insist) members of your community killed is pretty painful, isn’t it?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I don’t see many members of the black community mourning their painful losses. There is extremely limited jobs among the poor communities that you describe above – you think having more people in them is the solution?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Being poor is not a permanent condition.
Ever read any Thomas Sowell? People move in and out of income brackets all the time — and I’d argue that welfare adds inertia more than it helps people.
And there are plenty of blacks who lament the abortion and family situations. Just because the NAACP and mainstream media don’t get in on it doesn’t mean they aren’t there.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Well
they certainly don’t vote that way…
Look at high school graduation rates by income bracket and explain to me how those people are getting out of poverty.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
We're just going to go in circles, and I'd like to do something else tonight.
Shoving money to poor people for being poor removes incentives to improve their lot. Kids grow up seeing that mom’s still alive and able to support them despite making poor decisions, and they figure they can get away with it, too. Make the kids fear that dropping out will actually ruin their lives, and you might see some improvement.
And don’t get me started on how unions, and politicians who support them, are destroying improvements in educating blacks in DC.
(And, seriously, I’m done with this for the night.)
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I thought you were saying abortion was bad for black people?
I can buy into the idea that welfare contributes to the perpetuation of the cycle of poverty, but poverty does a pretty good job of that on its own. And I don’t think the alternatives proposed by conservatives offer much of a solution – just stopping or gutting social support programs would not solve anything at this point. They always talk about private sector solutions, but there aren’t any. So, do we just abandon the real people relying on social programs because of the hypothetical idea that over the long term they contribute to people staying in poverty? Pretty tough pill to swallow.
And really do you honestly think kids see the other kids dropping out and think that looks like a good idea – he seems to be doing ok, I’ll follow suit? The statistics for life after dropping out are pretty horrible – do we really need to make them worse?
Sure there are people that overcome poverty, but the statistics show that if you’re born into poverty you’re much more likely to end up in poverty. They are much more likely to be homeless, they are much more likely to go to prison, they get diseases at much higher rates than the rest of us, they achieve lower education levels, have lower incomes, etc. I can’t see having more people as being good for our society.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I think very few of the GOP politicians believe anything close to that.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Which is why I care little about politicians.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
5 Senate candidates
oppose even in cases of rape/incest.
Buck
Miller
Angle
Paul
O’Donnell
to me that seems like sadism for the sake of sadism. Think that’s unfair? May be. But one of these demon beasts from hell advised a woman in that situation to “make lemonaide out of lemons”
"Fairy tales start 'once upon a time...'. Fishing stories start 'now this ain't no bullshit...'."
- Cap'n Phil Harris
Two things
1) lemonade is fucking delicious, but why do lemons get so much hate. Lemons are not at all like horrible life events. Lemons are awesome.
2) Making lemonade, as previously stated, is a delicious way to relieve stress, but how does that help the whole preggo-rape thing?
Again, maybe I’m not following this conversation closely enough.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
If I'm handed lemons, I'm grabbing salt and a bottle of tequila
Or perhaps FINDING A NEW GOD
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Powerthirst references FTW.
The stache is back!
by Knubles and Bits on Oct 5, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
YES
I was hoping somebody would pick up on that.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
So you believe agency determines right to life?
And it’s not like women don’t have agency where having sex is concerned. And before you bring up rape and incest (or, sluggo just did), I think it should be illegal then, too — but I’d rather it be illegal except in those cases than never.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Right to life...
doesn’t exist in the way Anti-Roe people think it does. Otherwise you’d be front and center in the movement to criminalize women who abuse drugs and alcohol during a pregnancy.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Doing that makes much more sense to me than legalizing abortion.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Well at leat you're honest...
What about women who don’t know that they’re pregnant? Additionally, since over 25% pregnancies self-terminate within the first 2 months, how exactly do we determine the cut off of legal responsibility?
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems to me that if she knows, she's being negligent.
If she doesn’t, it’s hard to hold her accountable. Of course, determining whether or not she knew would be extremely tricky.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
One point and then I'm going home
The woman (and man), in most cases, made a choice to have sex. The fetus did not make a choice to be conceived. Shit happens, condoms break, people get drunk and don’t think clearly and have unprotected sex. Why should the fetus pay the ultimate price for the irresponsibility of the parents? It truly makes me sad how many unborn children never got a chance to taste ice cream or watch Orioles baseball because their parents could not accept responsibility for their actions and took what I see as the easy way out. The world is poorer for it.
easy watching the orioles is worst than abortion joke
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
And I actually think the world is richer for it
limited resources and all…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
And really it's very much not selfish
Aren’t most abortions sought out by women in poverty? I don’t think growing up in poverty in a family that doesn’t want them is much fun for anybody. Call it cold if you want, but it’s not selfish.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
It is pretty selfish
to decide that your desire to enjoy physical pleasure trumps giving another the chance to live.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
No you're not understanding.
The view has absolutely nothing to do with my physical pleasure. Poor people are not competing for my resources – they are competing for each others’ resources and having more poor people isn’t going to help the problem of limited jobs for a growing number of people. It’s just basic supply and demand.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Last reply here, too.
There isn’t a set of jobs and goods labeled “for you poor folks only” — unless you’re talking about welfare. And being born into poverty doesn’t mean you have no chance to get out — it hurts you, but doesn’t eliminate your chances by any means. Any poor person who works hard (say, finds a trade) has a chance to (note I didn’t say “will”) break out of poverty.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Wow.
I did not catch this until Phil replied.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
That's because people know how bad the Orioles are.
I think the answer is clear here: Buck Showalter is creating fewer abortions.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
am I wrong to believe that?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Ha!
I probably would not, but it’d be easy to pick out a CCer at the ballpark since nobody else would get the reference.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I have a few family friends that are professors at UMD
And he’s been horrible to the college park campus. I find it hard to believe he’s pro-environment considering the people who endorse him and will vote for him, but U could be wrong. The Chesapeake Bay needs serious help and if I could vote for Ehrlich vs. O’Malley that would be my main gripe. The kind of big money interests that would and are supporting Ehrlich are the ones that dump waste into our waters.
I'm back. YAY SUMMER!
duck, I was in college for the Ehrlich years and my tuition sure went up every year.
An Ehrlich appointee to the Board of Regents (and the man who is now his chief fundraiser, I believe – fella by the name of Hug) was talking about how they needed to double tuition. Guy basically wanted to price the middle class out of public college unless they would be saddled with even more crippling loan debt.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a shame because a guy named Hug sounds so lovely
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Even better...
he actually went by his nickname – Richard “Dick” Hug.
Dick Hug? Seriously?
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That's awesome!
Dick Hug.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
'Dick Hug'? Wow. That surpasses good 'ole Dick Trickle for most absurd name I've ever heard.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Richard Hug - Ehrlich appointee to the BoR...
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2003-10-31/news/0310310215_1_ehrlich-tuition-university-system
Chief Ehrlich fundraiser, suggested doubling tuition as a means of reducing dependance on state funding and making people believe that the education was somehow superior.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
sort of a bummer, though...
definitely more content control w/ the times. still pretty cool, though.
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Oct 5, 2010 11:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It lacks the...
back and forth nature that the old 538 site had, but the integration with the bells and whistles available through the NYT is pretty sweet.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
This and the likely fact that there won't be any off-topic posts
such as his World Cup handicapping, the time he spent at the World Series of Poker, etc.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 5, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
wait...
you were ANTI handicapping?
At all hazards, a man must keep up appearances. Dignity, I say. Dignity above all, Governor. Hear, hear!
-Det. William "Bunk" Moreland
by j.q. higgins on Oct 5, 2010 11:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No. I mean I throughly enjoyed those posts; and will miss them.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
by PBR me ASAP! on Oct 5, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I never thought about that...
dammit!
Though we are in the middle of his money-making time, so we’ll see how the post-election coverage changes.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
haha did you guys hear about this?
“James Shields is pitching because he’s a Jewish person.”
A woman called into a sports radio show down in Tampa and opined that the Rays chose to go with James Shields in Game 2 of the ALDS “because he is a Jewish person.” The caller — Linda, who claimed to be a Quaker “and has many Jewish friends” — thinks that “he’s not a very good pitcher” and that Joe Maddon felt pressure from the team’s “Jewish ownership” to start Shields over Matt Garza.
The hosts rightfully mock her — “then why isn’t Gabe Kapler starting?” — but it could have been better. For example: I wish someone would have asked her if Shield’s home/road splits and gopherball tendencies are a Zionist plot. Maybe we all would have learned something, ya know?
Why are people the biggest morons in history? There is a link in there to the audio of the phone call but sadly I can’t listen at work.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Was she at all..
related to Rick Sanchez?
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
that reminded me of...
“How about this leaflet, ‘Famous Jewish Sports Legends’?”
Airplane! = hilarious
Hateful Bigotry = typical day in Florida
Wow...
I thought Quakers were religiously tolerant? Maybe I’m just thinking of the unit about 17th century American and Pennsylvania in my American history class.
I'm back. YAY SUMMER!
Nixon was also a quaker
and was a notorious bigot.
There are assholes in every group of people.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Nixon was a quaker?
Wow…
But I hate when people use the whole “I have Jewish friends” or “I have black friends” etc. etc. as a blanket for racism and bigotry. You may have Jewish friends but that doesn’t mean they won’t be incensed by your comment.
I'm back. YAY SUMMER!
I'm guessing she doesn't have many Jewish friends
That’s just something people say try and make themselves sound like they’re not being discriminatory. “I have lots of gay friends. And also I think that letting two men get married is the same as letting a man marry a goat.” Um, no, you don’t have lots of gay friends.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Yeah, I agree.
It’s highly unlikely she has any Jewish friends or she wouldn’t make a comment like that.
I'm back. YAY SUMMER!
I have lots of goat friends
and I think letting a man marry a goat is the same as letting a goat marry a penguin.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
Evidently, A.J. Burnett's stuff is too electric for the ALDS.
He’s been left out of the rotation vs. the Twins.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
Considering he wasn't even starting for my fantasy team...
That’s probably a good move on their part. Sadly, we won’t get to see him get lit up by the Twins.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 5, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Can I just say
reading all these stories about playoff first-timers like Huff Daddy or Roy Halladay or Michael Young really catches in my throat. Right now, I’ve never ever wanted anything more than to celebrate making the playoffs.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
Man when the Orioles make the playoffs
I think that there are gonna be people from all over the world trying to come and see that first playoff game.
The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST
by the fix is in on Oct 5, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
i cant wait to sit in my usual seats at camden yards surrounded by 40000 other screaming fans as we play our first playoff game in over a decade
It’s the Ric Flair Theory of baseball – To be the man, you gotta beat the man. -duck
by Parkinglotninja on Oct 5, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
*fingers crossed*
“theres always next year”
It’s the Ric Flair Theory of baseball – To be the man, you gotta beat the man. -duck
Draft position
I was really conflicted at the end of the year. I wanted the third spot so that we could get one of the premier pitchers in the draft. Now, we may draft someone like Hobgood.
I hope that we don’t sign some short term FA who will cost us a draft choice. Which would you rather have, one more year of Mike Gonzales or a second round draft choice in the system?
MLBTR says
the Orioles, as expected, have but two free agent Type Bs and no Type As. The Bs are Millwood and Koji.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
Do we even dare offer Millwood arbitration?
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
fuck no.
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
Just wait...
It’ll turn to roses and rainbows if we’re able to pry AGonz from the Padres for Millwood and extend his deal immediately.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
We're going through the cycle pretty fast.
Tomorrow we’ll be in nearly spring training form.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Best shape of our lives!
I do miss that “midseason form dave!” commercial.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Enough about politics
I need to argue about something much more important to my everyday life:
Douchebag hipster cupcakerries. Does anyone want to defend this urbanite social menace?
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
Look...
I work across the street from the one on Connecticut near Dupont and those cupcakes have made my life easier as I:
1) have a pregnant wife at home, and
2) anger her frequently
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
how much do you pay for your hipster cupcakes?
and not just in dollars but in soul-money?
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
It cost me...
$20 fucking dollars for a box of six “seasonal” caramel apple cupcakes.
Needless to say: I’m still married, and I still get to sleep in my bed.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That any woman would marry me?
Or the cupcakes?
It’s a lot of dough, but man did it make her happy.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Cupcake prices are insane :)
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Yeah...
but whatever. Seriously the last thing I want to do after work is stand in line to drop ducats on a box of confections before boarding a bus to ride 2 hours home, but that’s what I gotta do.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a cakelove right near my house
And they charged $5 for a tiny cupcake. They can’t be THAT good.
I'm back. YAY SUMMER!
Are they better than flowers?
I’ve always thought flowers are fucking stupid. They just die after a few days. Total waste. At least cupcakes you can eat, although I’m not a big fan.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I love cupcakes
which is why I own a muffin tin and an oven.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
I think I might own those things (definitely the oven, not sure about the tin)
but lack the skills required to use them.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
so what do you object to?
Are the cupcakes bad? Are they not work the price, or the repute it earns the bakery?
Craft beer is expensive, but if it’s awesome beer, it’s worth it. I would assume cupcakes would be similar.
it's the price and the repute
craft beer is way harder to make than cupcakes and not a rising blight on America, too. Cupcakes are wonderful things that have been twisted towards evil purposes…like the Ringwraiths.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
You have some mighty strong feelings concerning cupcakes.
"Walk not down that road, I cannot tell you where it goes. Ask me no more questions - some things you're not meant to know." - The Sword
Seriously. Did a cupcake run over Andrew's dog or something?
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
Yes and they're fun to make
although I bet I couldn’t do all of that crazy stuff like they do at the frou frou places.
I made these pineapple upside down cupcakes not too long ago. They were the shit.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Yes...
they are – and she hates flowers for that very reason.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
flowers are so stupid
I don’t even get them. Why am I supposed to like them? And why are they supposed to make up for someone doing something stupid?
On the other hand, fancy cupcakes seem awesome. Although so also does fancy beer.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I love cupcakes
But the cupcakerries are a little over the top.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
A friend of mine lives in Chevy Chase
so I have to drive through Georgetown to visit him, and the amount of fucking pedestrian traffic around Georgetown Cupcake drives me insane. You asshole TLC shit-eaters, I don’t hope you die, but I hope your business fucking collapses and you go broke and have to eat in soup kitchens for the rest of your lives.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
I've only been to Georgetown Cupcake once
So I became a fan of it on facebook, and now they tell me about free cupcakes of the day but I can never go because it’s so far away. I’ve never got around to unliking it.
I'm back. YAY SUMMER!
I watched five minutes of one episode
the owner of Georgetown Cupcake didn’t realize that you can’t just dump several cups of cocoa powder into a moving stand mixer without it going everywhere, and got really pissy about nobody telling her (the owner!) not to do that, and I had to change the channel to look for something less infuriating, like perhaps some MASN dood talking about how great of a baseball player Aubrey Huff is and how the Orioles shouldn’t have traded him away.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
uh....DC Cupcakes on TLC
its about Georgetown Cupcakes, but I guess “Georgetown” could be fucking anywhere, so they dumbed it down.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
You know what show I like? Cake Boss.
Why is that guy always screaming? New Jersey is the weirdest place ever.
“NOW I’M GOING TO MEET SOMEONE IN LITTLE FERRY, THE TOWN WHERE I GREW UP. IT’S ONLY TWO MILES FROM ME BUT I HAVEN’T BEEN THERE IN FIFTEEN YEARS.”
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I kinda wanna work for Ace of Cakes.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
yeah, but Duff is a member of PHN
I can’t look at him in the eye no more.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
His shop is in Baltimore
but he’s from Boston.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I think he's from Boston
or has family there or something. He wears Bruins stuff, too.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
This is true.
Details tho!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
that's near my house
Well, kinda. I go to the bar across the street sometimes, though. The last time my brother was in town he wanted me to take a picture of him in front of it like some kind of fucking tourist.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I met him in London over the summer.
He was awesome.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Yes...your brother.
No…Ace of Cakes duhhhh!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
You can see why it was confusing
Although I should have known because my brother is really not very awesome.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Ouch!
I’m telling.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Stacey's brother?
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
Why did you have to go to London to meet the Ace of Cakes?
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I didnt have to go there
I was just there and then he happened to be filming something near my hotel. He ended up staying in the same hotel.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Ace of Cakes rules!
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
Seriously...and the fucking GC swirl!! Only two of us actually know how to do it!!!
Oh and the fact that they make their damn cupcake art too big to fit out of the door EVERY FLIPPIN TIME. You just fucked that up last week, you idiots. Do you never learn?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
this place opened recently at Towson Town Center
http://www.freshbakeryonline.com/index.html
I don’t know how fresh the cupcakes are, though, because I think the location is only a little kiosk in the atrium area. Where are the cupcakes cooked? How fresh are they? There seem to be way more cupcakes than they could sell in a day.
they're delicious, over priced but delicious.
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
What the fuck is a cupcakerry?
I mean, I’m guessing it’s exactly what it sounds, but why is it that this portmanteau suddenly needs to exist?
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It's hip!
http://www.carolinescupcakerybaltimore.com/index.htm
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
wow some of these cupcakes do look awesome
I guess I’m just really getting into cupcakes now!
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
gaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
ooh look at this
Build Your Own Cupcake Bar: On select Saturdays, you will be able to come and enjoy making your own cupcake. You select the cupcake, icing and toppings, and we decorate it right in front of you.
Yeah, I’m totally into cupcakes now :)
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
$33 for a dozen cupcakes.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
That's like 30 Coronas
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
or a 4 pack of 90 Minute
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
15 Natty Bohs at Pickles.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats fucking 2 30-packs of PBR, with change to spare.
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude
because of douchebag hipsters
I passed a girl on the street the other week who literally said the words “I dunno, I’m just really getting into cupcakes now!”. It took everything in my willpower not to break down into a big ball of fury.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
ahahahaahah oh man I would have punched her
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
that's how i feel about apple products
but at the end of the day, it’s about the product rather than some branded lifestyle. I’ll eat or buy anything that I feel is a quality product. Gourmet cupcakes are yummy to eat. I even get a kick out of watching Cupcake Wars on the Food Channel.
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
Any competition on the Food Network is worth watching
Once I watched a cake competition where teenage superfans had to judge cakes that would be used for Miley Cyrus’s Sweet 16 birthday party. It was funny watching grown men and women, professional bakers, being told by 13 year olds that their cake “just wasn’t Miley.”
This sounds like a Northern Virginia phenomenon that needs to fucking stay in Northern Virginia.
Unfortunately, as Stacey has given me the link to a Baltimore cupcakery, I see this hope is in vain. Here I sit, in a building at the corner of Charles and Mount Royal, and I am 3.3 miles away on foot from a cupcakery. I need a shower.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Also STFU!
Probably originated in fucking Bethesda. lol
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
there was one in Rochester, too
it was a fucking trip to be in there on the way home from my favorite bar, too.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
If it's inside the DC beltway, it's dead to me.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but I am going to a school that has a lot of people in the lawyering school.
And let me tell you something… most all of them are douchebags.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
my roommate also went to law school at UB
She’s not a douchebag. Well…not all the time.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
that jerk, he stole my millions of dollars
I was literally like twenty people ahead of him in line.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
kevgracie was probably sporting a winning smile
and you were probably looking grumpy. They didn’t want someone grumpy.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
can't argue with that
I’m a big grumpster who is unworthy of the money to pay off law school.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
You're also less than 3.3 miles away...
from Patterson Park and its sweet sweet Heroin.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There's way more than one in Baltimore
That’s just the one I know about because I saw it when I was going to LP Steamers once.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I am having a hard time believing that hipster cupcakes in Baltimore is a sustainable business model.
I’m a little ashamed of Baltimore right now.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, man
I’ve been to Fell’s Point and it looked like it could support a Cupcakery
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
maybe "way more" isn't right
but there is definitely “more”
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Why do hipsters have to take everything that is fine on its own...
…and fuck it up by trying to build some sort of ‘culture’ around it? Cupcakes are good. But it’s a fucking miniature cake, in a cup. Get over yourself.
See also: bicycles, coffee.
Mr Cupcake in my town (Hackensack NJ)
is fucking amazing, and the $2 per cupcake is well worth it. Raspberry smoothie cupcake? Yes please.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Worse than cupcakes for me:
4 (FOUR!) different frozen yogurt shops have opened up within 6 blocks of me in the last 3 months
Stacey, I see what you did to CamdenChat
and I do not approve. Next you’ll be registering the domain name “CupcakeChat” and selling Felix Pie cupcakes for $18 a pop.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
ahahahaahah
wow you’re fast!
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
EVERYONE: IMPORTANT NOTICE
“SHE” HAS NEVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
But she did just say it.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Then you're doing it wrong
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I may have been the one to suggest the new tagline.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
to be fair
I might just make a batch of Orioles cupcakes now. There’s no baseball, but there could be a World Series in my stomach!
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
"World Series in my stomach" sounds....ick
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
also please, what are Orioles cupcakes
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Fork over an Andrew Jackson and they're yours.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
that's how much they go for in the cupcakkery
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I know I kind of want to make them.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
i dunno
I’ll figure it out. Orioles themed cupcakes. Doesn’t sound too hard.
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
imma totes outdo that
"There's going to be a general lack of toast in the neighbourhood this morning. Many many bewildered breakfast faces."
I should hope so
otherwise the world series in your stomach is gonna be pretty lame
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
The Fix Is In did, I believe...
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 5, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah the fix is in outbid me
So I saved myself the $ but lost the joy of the uniform.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I bid $260
And I didn’t want to spend the money but I did want it. I had kind of talked myself into the fact that I was gonna be out the cash so when I got outbid, even though it really probably was for the best, I was still a little disappointed.
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
I have no idea
So it’s probably ok that I lost :)
You never know when someone is gonna sneak up on ya at the dolphin show! -wrb1990
Yes it was signed.
And I was going to get to wear it to a game.
The stache is back!
by Knubles and Bits on Oct 5, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeez, open threads in the offeseason have been a madhouse.
Dare i say, epic?
"When you use those words, `mystique’ and `aura,’ those are dancers in a night club. Those are not things we concern ourselves on the ball field." - Curt Schilling on if the Yankees mystique and aura would affect the Diamondbacks in the 2001 World Series.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 5, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions
You may not say epic.
However, you may dare say “en fuego”, like Dan Patrick.
It's as if every eccentric in the South decided to move north, ran out of gas in Baltimore, and decided to stay. - John Waters
by Eat More Esskay on Oct 5, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
On all this political stuff:
Believe it or not, I don’t really like arguing about politics. There are basically two reasons I even bother:
1) I grew up in MoCo and went to public high school. I know what it’s like to be perhaps the only person in the room who disagrees with my fellow students (and often the teacher) on a sensitive issue. I had the same sort of situation with most of the people I knew in college. (“Carrie Prejean? What a bigot! Who actually believes that?” Um, me, thanks… nah, no point getting into an argument…) When I first came to Camden Chat and lurked, I felt much the same way — everyone here seemed pretty much in accord on anything political, and I was hesitant to join for that reason. I just wanted to talk baseball, not politics, and knew it would be frustrating to either (1) keep my mouth shut and have to “z” through all these comments I didn’t want to read, or (2) argue with nearly everyone else disagreeing with me. I joined eventually anyway, but I imagine a lot of people would be reluctant to join (or even keep reading) for similar reasons.
2) Some people here, especially our younger members, often seem as though they’ve never really been exposed to coherent (I hope I’m coherent) articulation of opposing viewpoints. I don’t think it does them any good to basically be in a loud echo chamber, where everyone’s agreeing.
And I’d like to add that I’m rarely trying to convince anyone that I’m right — just that (1) their opinions, often stated as fact, are not, and (2) reasonable people hold opposing views. That’s all.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
When I first came to Camden Chat and lurked, I felt much the same way — everyone here seemed pretty much in accord on anything political,
That’s just not true. There are plenty of liberals and conservatives on here – otherwise there would be no political discussions.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I did say that's how I felt and how it seemed, not how it was, but let me clarify.
Most of the political discussions here, in the year I lurked (2009), consisted of posting something “stupid” a conservative or Republican said or did, and laughing about it, and talking about how ridiculous it was. Lots of laughing about Sarah Palin, but hardly ever pointing out one of Biden’s gaffes or something controversial Obama said, for instance. There was little to no debate — anyone who disagreed largely stayed quiet. Since I’ve joined, there has been more debate (maybe in small part because I bothered to speak up on that woeful day in… February?…, maybe not) — the usually-seemingly-hostile Jonny Pops (sp?) has been around less often, and PhilR8 and others have posted more often on political topics, so the amount of debate and diversity of expressed views have increased significantly.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
maybe it's because you were lurking right after an election
…. because if you go back to 2005, there’s been a lot of balance on this site, including a fair amount of conservatism/independent thought from SC, its original scribe.
And Sarah Palin deserves laughter from both parties. She is not fit for public office of any kind, and the many republican/conservatives whom I know/am friends with/respect revile her. I am suspicious of the fanboys who try to somehow twist her into anything other than what she is, which is a media-created celebrity who is milking her 15 minutes for all it’s worth. I had tremendous respect for McCain over the years, but his unleashing of the Palin maelstrom was the final straw.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
But Palin's a maverick!
"When you use those words, `mystique’ and `aura,’ those are dancers in a night club. Those are not things we concern ourselves on the ball field." - Curt Schilling on if the Yankees mystique and aura would affect the Diamondbacks in the 2001 World Series.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 5, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
I haven’t exactly perused the archives that extensively. But anyone else lurking around the same time would have been similarly likely to come to the same conclusion, right?
And I’m not defending Palin. I don’t hate her, but she’s certainly destroyed conservatism’s credibility in the eyes of many liberals. Yet many of the stances which she supports are thoroughly legitimate, even if she can’t articulate why all that well. And many people deride those views, and those who hold them, because of her. That’s just silly.
(And, really, wasn’t Obama pretty much an unqualified, media-created celebrity? Just saying.)
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Yet many of the stances which she supports are thoroughly legitimate
Her stances are pretty much whatever she’s being told. The woman has been handled beyond recognition.
And, really, wasn’t Obama pretty much an unqualified, media-created celebrity? Just saying.
No. :)
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
She doesn't have very many "stances"
She made that clear in an infamous interview with Katie Couric.
I'm back. YAY SUMMER!
(And, really, wasn’t Obama pretty much an unqualified, media-created celebrity? Just saying.)
Except for being an Ivy League educated expert on constitutional law (the governing document of the United States of America and a U.S. Senator, exactly right.
Those are some Kojiculous sideburns. Son of Sam Horn commenter, 08/31/10
well, yeah.
not to mention 8 years in the Illinois senate, former president of Harvad Law Review (and a cum laude graduate, since you mentioned it), a civil rights attorney, and a 12-year career as a law professor.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Ivy League-educated (or college-educated in general) does not mean particularly qualified for anything. Grades are inflated, admissions are uneven, and knowing theory doesn’t equal ability to perform tasks. And considering that he wouldn’t release anything he’d written in college, some of which later turned out to say something to the effect that he didn’t really think the Constitution was applicable/adequate anymore, I don’t think he learned much about it being the supreme law of the land.
And, seriously, I know it’s Alaska, but governor has to carry at least comparable weight to Senator. Especially considering neither was in their positions for long. Beyond that, he “organized communities” and has a couple of books. His entire life has been learning to be a politician — that’s exactly who I want to elect!
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
He *taught* Constitutional Law
at the University of Chicago Law school for twelve years.
Those are some Kojiculous sideburns. Son of Sam Horn commenter, 08/31/10
Yes, my reply now looks inadequate compared to the nearby comments.
Fine. But I stand by the argument that time in academia does little-to-nothing to help you actually get stuff done in the real world, or understand how things actually work. I’m with WFB on that particular topic:
I am obliged to confess I should sooner live in a society governed by the first two thousand names in the Boston telephone directory than in a society governed by the two thousand faculty members of Harvard University.I’m going to bow out of this one, too, methinks.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
here's the thing
I respect education, as I think most people do in this country.
It’s not always a predictor for real-world grasp of issues, but a ridiculous majority of the world’s and business community’s leaders are graduates with advanced degrees. I’d guess well over 90%. That’s an irrefutable fact. For every dropout who invents a computer or whatever, there are hundreds of folks running around who committed themselves to learning for early age, and are therefore capable of critical thought. Many would-be entrepreneurs who skip college and luck/work their way into success have a self-centered, one-sided view of the world because it’s the only way they know. And that’s not conducive to governing.
I can’t stand Newt Gingrich, but I have no problem with conservatives defending his right to hold forth on political topics because the guy is smart as a whip and has an incredibly wide-ranging background.
But when someone actually tried to defend Sarah Palin as a serious qualified candidate to run the country, I question his motives. It’s one of the major reasons conservatism has lost a lot of respect from the independents in this country.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
I think you're far too optimistic about academia.
Capable of critical thought? It’s an echo chamber in terms of diversity of ideas, so plenty of grads have no idea how to think critically — they just parrot their professors, learn to write that way, and keep it up throughout their careers if they decide to stay for advanced degrees. You have to have met well-educated people with no common sense or who seemed to have lived in a bubble their entire lives.
And, as I’ve said elsewhere here, qualifications mean little to me if your premises and/or logic seem flawed.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
It’s an echo chamber in terms of diversity of ideas, so plenty of grads have no idea how to think critically — they just parrot their professors, learn to write that way, and keep it up throughout their careers if they decide to stay for advanced degrees.
Where did you find that to be the case in your academic experience? My experience was VERY different than that. Critical and independent thinking was valued above all else by my professors in college. None of them wanted their lectures regurgitated on the pages of papers or midterms or finals.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I have little anecdotal evidence of my own.
I’m an engineer, so this stuff doesn’t apply as much. But I had plenty of it in high school, and I know other people who have been through it, and you read plenty about students who are persecuted for having differing beliefs, or professors ostracized or fired for holding atypical views.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I don't think your high school
is much comparable to columbia undergrad and harvard law. Just a hunch.
I never experienced or heard of anything like the things you reference above at Penn.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Heh....mine did. My life was midterms and finals.
I’ve got a great degree. Now that I’m in the working word, I’ve noticed my degree means very little. Rightly so though….I’m clearly outclassed by folks who have experience on the subject matter regardless of the background.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Oh I wasn't arguing that the degree itself necessarily means much
but he was saying that education was mostly just parroting what your professors say and my education was nothing like that.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Heh...I couldn't parrot what my professors said.
Mostly because they either did not speak coherent English or because it involved math and shit that I neither understood nor really cared about at 8 in the morning when I could have been sleeping.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
lol
reminds me of my statistics class. I went to the first class and literally could not understand a single thing the professor said (she was Chinese). Figured it was ok and that I’d just go to recitation. Went to 3 different sections of recitation and they were all Asian TAs with accents as bad as the professor. I BARELY got a C.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
My stats class was identical.
I had to learn almost everything on my own. Squeaked out a B in diff eq for the same reason. Impossible to understand any of them.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Ivy League-educated (or college-educated in general) does not mean particularly qualified for anything
This is just untrue. The worst legacy of the Bush administration has been the vilification of intellectualism.
You don’t become president of the best Law Review in the country without being an incredibly smart and diversified person. Save your conspiracy theories about writing samples or whatever.
I’d overwhelmingly rather have smarter people actually in charge of running the country. I’d take a Republican with at least a bachelor’s degree over a Democratic college dropout just about any day of the week. There are exceptions where people gain knowledge through commited life experiences. Sarah Palin went to five undergraduate colleges and was a sportscaster, and I don’t think those are life experiences that prepared her for being a world leader.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Seriously
It is like half the country demands you be a near illiterate sociopath or you aren’t “real” enough to serve your country.
The worst part is that these people are getting played by corporations. Ask that guy whose house burned down today how he feels about the free hand of the fucking market today.
Those are some Kojiculous sideburns. Son of Sam Horn commenter, 08/31/10
Isn’t it funny that for all their education bashing, the Bush family is as tied to the ivy league as probably any family in American history?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
It's more nepotism bashing than education bashing with the Bushes
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
Ehhh
I think W. spent a good portion of his 8 years in the white house snickering at the educated. I never heard him bash nepotism (wasn’t he the product of nepotism about as much as anybody in history??).
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I mean that I think people are bashing Bush not for being a Yale man
but everybody thinks, rightly or wrongly, that he got in because of family connections not academic merit. I don’t mean that he was bashing nepotism.
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
Oh yeah we were talking about the bushes bashing academia.
Not anybody bashing bush for going to Yale. I just said it was funny that for all the bashing of northeastern liberal elite colleges that Bush did that he went to Yale.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
President of Harvard Law Review very much means something.
And no matter what ivy league education means a shitload more than the random collection of semesters at shitholes that Palin cobbled together to get her degree.
I’d much rather elect somebody who’s entire life has been about learning (not sure how constitutional law prepared him for being a politician but I’ll take your word for it) than somebody who’s entire life has been about…what was it that Palin’s whole life has been about? Exploring as many different colleges as possible for as short a time as possible? Being a beauty pageant winner? Being a sportscaster? Being a tiny town mayor? Being a governor for part of a term? It’s hard to keep track.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
How did we get started comparing Obama and Palin's qualifications?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
This exact statement by Vuff
(And, really, wasn’t Obama pretty much an unqualified, media-created celebrity? Just saying.)
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Oh....well Palin is the same.
She is wicked unqualified unless you consider constant mindless rambling as a qualification.
However, Obama did receive a great deal of fuel from the media regardless of whether or not he’s qualified.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I always hate making mistakes in posts about education.....
Im EdUCatEd tOo!
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
YoU dId It WrOnG!!!!!1!
"When you use those words, `mystique’ and `aura,’ those are dancers in a night club. Those are not things we concern ourselves on the ball field." - Curt Schilling on if the Yankees mystique and aura would affect the Diamondbacks in the 2001 World Series.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 5, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Just for shits and giggles
Obama – Columbia undergrad, Harvard Law and president of the law review, civil rights lawyer, constitutional law professor, state senator for 7 years, US senator for 3 years.
Palin – Miss Wasilla pageant winner (3rd in the Miss Alaska!), one semester at Hawaii Pacific, 2 semesters at North Idaho College, 2 semesters at U. of Idaho, 1 semester at Matanuska-Susitna College, and then another semester U. of Idaho to finish with a degree in journalism. Sports broadcaster for a few years. City counsel member for 4 years, wasilla mayor for 6 years (an election in which roughly 1200 people vote), Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation (ha!) Commission for 3 years, and Governor for 3 years.
I’m not even going to get into her many failures and controversies in her political career. Unless she gets credit for all the different semesters at different colleges (if all of those are even accredited colleges) I don’t think it’s much of a contest…
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Yes, she does.
Biden is no better though and we hardly ever mention his gaffes here. Vuff is correct on that one.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I haven't followed the conversation above
But Biden drove me nuts during the campaign. He was just as bad as Palin in terms of public gaffes but yet the media never picked up on them.
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
Agreed.
I also find it funny that the media has given us O’Donnell’s life story in a matter of days when we still haven’t gotten any of that information from Obama in over two years.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
we still haven’t gotten any of that information from Obama in over two years
Seriously, this is just not a valid argument. It’s a tiresome talking point with no basis in fact.
Obama’s background has been picked to death. There’s virtually nothing about him that isn’t known. He contributed a fair amount himself in the two books he wrote about his upbringing.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
but he's a muslim!
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
Well I don't know anything about that
I do know that he leaves the words “our creator” out of the Declaration of Independence every time he quotes from it.
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Not much.
I didn’t appreciate it much though. I doubt a serious Christian would do that (I certainly wouldn’t). Doesn’t mean he’s a Muslim…just something I’ve noticed that isn’t helping his cause to proving he isn’t one.
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Well
I for one do appreciate it and could care less what a serious christian would do as President. We’ve just had one for the 8 previous years and I’d say it didn’t work out too well.
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You appreciate him censoring a portion of the Constitution he doesn't like?
That sets a great precedent.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Declaration of Independence, sorry.
Doesn’t make me feel much better, though.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Censoring it???
Or just not saying it. Two ENTIRELY different things.
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Censoring it in his own speech.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
lol I hope we're not going to start worrying about people censoring themselves???
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We already do, and have for a long time
Government actions that encourage self-censorship are just as unconstitutional as those that censor speech directly.
Oh come on
Because the guy doesn’t say “our creator” that’s a government action that’s encouraging censorship??? I’m finding this very funny.
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I didnt mean to imply that they were at all related
I’m on your side of this one, I just couldn’t contain my inner law nerd.
Oh I'm fine with that idea in general
I just don’t think this fits that criteria. Forcing people to say things they don’t want to has to be just as unconstitutional as forcing people to not say things they do believe in, I would think at least??
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So what?
He’s still purposely misquoting a fairly important document in American history.
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Very true.
I still don’t understand why he feels the need to do that.
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who knows?
maybe because he doesn’t believe in it and probably feels that it alienates other people who don’t believe in it?
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Those people need to get over themselves.
Alienated because the people who wrote our founding documents over 200 years ago believed in God, and they don’t? Thinnest skins ever, or what?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Hmmm
Did the blacks also need to get over themselves because the people who wrote our founding documents over 200 years ago didn’t believe they were worthy of full citizenship?
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Not the same thing at all, and you know it.
Quoting a historic document vs. protesting immoral laws.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I think it's very similar, but to a lesser degree.
You guys keep saying the reason that it has to be quoted entirely is that’s how the founders intended it – the founders also intended for blacks to not be citizens and we obviously abandoned that. There are certain things that just don’t age well.
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No, I'm saying you don't ignore history, or what people wrote, just because you don't like it.
There’s nothing about “intent” here.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Huh?
Nobody is suggesting that we ignore it – just that it doesn’t need to be said. It can be studied in history class and wherever else, but when somebody quotes it they are perfectly free to exclude things that might make others uncomfortable. I’m all for that.
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No...they aren't perfectly free to exclude anything.
I don’t want somebody misquoting me just because they feel like it.
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Bummer - because they absolutely can.
People are partially quoted every single day. It’s not misquoting – it’s just partially quoting.
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"Can" be studied?
What if it makes the students uncomfortable?
You really want, in public dialogue, to ignore historical facts that make people feel uncomfortable?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
That’s all in the way it’s studied. If it’s studied by asking the question of what did the founding fathers meant by including the words nobody is going to be uncomfortable. If it’s “studied” by the professor saying the founders included that language because we are a Christian nation then people will be uncomfortable.
As I’ve said before, this wasn’t a debate about the document – this is somebody quoting a document. A document can be quoted however anybody wants to quote it.
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So why
is it uncomfortable if he quotes the whole thing, and says nothing about us being a Christian nation?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Exactly!
If it doesn’t mean we’re a Christian nation, why should it make anyone uncomfortable?
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You said that "our creator" does not mean we're a Christian nation.
If that’s the case, why should anyone be hurt by it? Obama obviously disagrees with you.
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Because lots of people don't believe in a creator.
And I assume Obama is one of them.
Drawing a connection between that term and us being a christian nation is only one way in which people can be alienated by it.
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It’s not necessarily offensive just because of the christian nations connotation – it alienates anybody who doesn’t believe in the creator.
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You just said
no one would be uncomfortable if the proper approach were taken to the follow-up questions. So why is it offensive if there are no sticky follow-up questions or study, and he’s just quoting it?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
All I said was that it could be studied without alienating people. I don’t see how that translates to it can be said without alienating people.
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Are you kidding me?
How could you study it without reading it? Is it just saying it aloud that’s the problem? Or does the in-class follow-up of, “Now, kids, the Founders were mistaken about a great many things” make all the difference?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
wow man stop jumping to conclusions
First of all we read and study all kinds of offensive things in school (from slavery and the n-word to hitler’s speeches) that nobody would be ok with somebody saying in front of a large group.
And never once did I say anything about the founders being mistaken.
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You just said
you can study it without it being offensive, but you can’t quote it without it being offensive. That does not make any sense, unless you’re saying that quoting something implies agreement.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
How does that not make any sense? You can study hitler’s speeches without them being offensive, can’t you?
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Are you
assuming that if he quoted the line in full, it meant he agreed with it? That’s the only way I see what you’re saying.
You can quote something in all sorts of contexts; it’s not automatically offensive.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
First of all I don’t want to use the word offensive – it’s probably only actually offensive to very few people.
But no I don’t necessarily think that if he said it he believes in it. And I agree that there are ways to say everything that are not offensive or alienating.
I do think that quoting the line in full could alienate some and rub some the wrong way though, so I don’t have any issue with leaving it out. I think it’s very hard to avoid that without saying things that would undoubtedly be more offensive to people like you and twisted than just not saying it – so that seems like a better approach. People leave out parts of quotes all the time – it just doesn’t matter to me.
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I'd rather him speak his mind
if he has something to say on the topic, rather than just try to hint at how he feels by leaving out words to make people feel better.
But that wouldn’t be politically expedient. And I still don’t get how quoting something in a speech/discussion is potentially alienating, while discussing it in a classroom couldn’t possibly offend anyone.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
But I don't think you would
If he spoke his mind on the subject I promise you would be much more upset.
I’ll try to describe how it’s not alienating to study it in class one more time. In a classroom things are generally studied in a questioning manner – i.e. what did the founders mean by including “their creator”? What are the implications of that language on the original document? What does it mean for how we govern today? And then a productive discussion can follow or research can be performed.
Quoting it provides no context at all.
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I agree we'd be more upset
But I’d at least feel like he’s told me the truth for once.
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No,
I prefer that politicians say what they actually believe so voters can make informed decisions. I prefer honesty to pandering.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Like twisted
Your beef is with politics then. I’d love it if the political environment allowed people to talk openly about things like that, but I don’t want anybody I agree with to do any talking about religion. It’ll just make them less likely to get elected regardless of whether it would have any impact on their ability to govern.
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Sadly, there are many folks who don't want that stuff mentioned in the classroom
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That's the same way Obama and friends feel about the Constitution!
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You really want, in public dialogue, to ignore historical facts that make people feel uncomfortable?
the texas board of education sure wants to.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Well when people use the fact that the founders may have believed in God
to argue that this is without question a christian nation and all our laws should reflect that, I do get upset.
Well I doubt anyone is asking for the first amendment to be repealed....
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Fine.
But ignoring the history behind the philosophies which led to the founding of our country is pretty upsetting, too.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
How
can you arrive at an informed conclusion about something without studying it from every angle?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Do we need to arrive at an informed conclusion about why Obama chooses to not say a couple words??
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Yes.
He did that right in the midst of people calling him a Muslim. Whether those people are right or wrong, he chose a very interesting time to do that. Plus I’d expect a president of the United States to embrace United States history, not just the parts he feels like.
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I thought you said he excludes those words every time he says it?
If that’s the case I would certainly be disappointed if he changed his approach strictly because people are conspiracy theorists.
And again, give it a rest with the excluding parts of US history that he feels like. Parts of US history are excluded every day by politicians on both sides of the aisle.
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I've noticed it three times.
The most recent happened to be right in the midst of that.
And I completely agree with you on the politicians thing. I’ve mentioned before that I hate it. I take offense to anyone ignoring our history for votes or money.
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So you've never read any articles about it?
Or seen any news segments about it?
Again, I don’t see how excluding two words that might alienate (I also said he might just not believe in it which is fine too), means he’s ignoring our history? Does the “their creator” line have anything to do with the rights declared by the document? I think most people would agree that’s the important part of the document and history.
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No...I didn't
As I’ve said, I rarely watch the news. Nor do I subscribe to a newspaper. The Express on the Metro would never mention something like that.
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Weird then that this is something you spend a lot of time thinking about.
As I’ve mentioned, I’m much more concerned with what he does than what he says and I care even less about what he doesn’t say.
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I care quite a bit about what he says and doesn't say
He’s very good at spinning words. You have to read between the lines to understand what he’s actually saying.
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Ok
All politicians are good at spinning words. I just don’t spend that much time worrying about it – I focus on what they do and have done.
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See...now we're on the same page.
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What the fuck is Allah...
if not a creator?
Omitting “creator” would seem to indicate that he wanted to downplay faith in general.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 6, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
I want to know what he believes about any politically-related topic. If he feels the Founders’ religious beliefs are unimportant and worth ignoring, that’s worth knowing.
But what I really meant is that if an individual ignores the history of philosophies that led to the founding documents, he is not doing a good job of taking a balanced, well-informed approach to the topic.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I haven’t seen any evidence that he ignores the philosophies that led to the founding documents. I think you guys are focused on him not saying two words that are very meaningful for you but are obviously not so meaningful for others. It’s very difficult for me to view it as a substantive debate. Are there aspects of his stated policies where you think saying “the creator” when quoting the DoI would make a difference?
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Where you believe
rights come from determines a lot about what you believe those rights are and what they mean.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Are you really going to make that argument?
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Absolutely.
People who don’t believe in god obviously don’t put much stock in rights that somebody says came from our creator.
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So obviously what Vuff said applies to Obama too.
I don’t get why you said “for you”
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What I meant was that adding the “their creator” has implications on those rights for him. Not necessarily for others.
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I'm still a little confused.
But its late and I’ve had a few beers.
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Me, too.
And I’m sober. Please elaborate.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions
but I took your comment to mean that if you think the rights come from god they have more meaning.
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I was under the impression that he meant...
….how you interpret a law depends on where you think it came from.
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Both, and neither, lol.
The origin of rights, and what is truly a right vs. what is a good idea, is at the center of the current conflict in American politics. A person who believes a handful of rights come from the order God established through creation takes those rights very seriously, and considers only a few rights to really be rights. A person who believes that government has the power to distribute and create “rights” at will is much more flexible as to what is and isn’t a right.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
But the problem is the flipside
that there are a ton of people who don’t believe in god, so if you say that these rights came from god they are meaningless.
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Ugh.
Politics trumping truthful discussion again?
I think this is part of why we clash so much — I don’t view everything through the lens of political expedience, and you do. (Which, when arguing about politics, makes perfect sense! Not saying that to bash you.) Which means that we’re often arguing politics vs. principle, which just makes things a heck of a lot more confusing.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Wait a minute
I don’t view things through the lens of political expedience. Where did I say I do? Just because I can recognize the reality of the situation doesn’t mean I agree with it.
I want to get to principles, but the principles that I want to get to don’t have anything to do with whether a guy believes in a creator or not. That’s the real difference that we’re dancing around.
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But they do.
If I believe set A of things that lead me to conclusion 1, and you believe set B of things that lead you to conclusion 2, we’re inevitably going to talk about A and B after we find we disagree about 1 and 2.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Right – that’s what I said.
How does that mean that I only view things through a lens of political expediency?
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I overassumed; sorry.
Though I didn’t say “only.” When you said “there are a ton of people who don’t believe in god, so if you say…” I took that to mean that there’s no point saying you (or Obama) believe that certain rights derive from God, because that doesn’t appeal to a lot of people, politically.
“the principles that I want to get to don’t have anything to do with whether a guy believes in a creator or not” — meaning the principles don’t have anything to do with what Obama thinks? If so, I read you now.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Not even close.
I want to know how he thinks about a million things – economics, gun control, abortion, gay marriage, the middle east, Israel, global warming, education, etc. Religion just doesn’t rate unless it impacts those other things in which case it’ll be covered under those topics.
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So
do you or don’t you care about what he believes about the fundamental nature of what we know as human rights?
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Sure I care about that
But I don’t care whether he believes those fundamental rights came from god.
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Okay.
…Now I don’t even know why we went around in that very big circle about this point.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
I didn't think that's what we were debating for most of this discussion.
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Who cares who it alienates?
Don’t quote from it if you don’t believe in it. It comes from our history!! Its part of what made us as Americans who we are. You can’t just change something because you feel like it. We bend over backwards to avoid “alienating” people even if it means trashing our history.
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Is that a new rule?
You can only quote an entire quote or nothing at all? That seems pretty stupid. There are lots of worthwhile things and lots of worthless things in all types of documents and literature – the skill is in using the worthwhile and abandoning the worthless.
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Negative
He wasn’t paraphrasing. He quoted the ENTIRE line except for two words. I may have gone to public school and did not go to Harvard Law, but that isn’t paraphrasing.
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That's total bullshit.
He did that purposely and has done it on numerous occasions. Just don’t say it if you aren’t going to do it properly.
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So what if he does it intentionally?
kba26 didn’t say anything to imply that it was unintentional.
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Neither did I.
I was merely stating he wasn’t paraphrasing. He intentionally removed two words from the quote which is neither paraphrasing nor a “verbal ellipse.”
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It certainly is
He’s choosing to remove words for some purpose. If it was written, it should be indicated with an ellipse to show that words are missing, and I’m saying he probably should point out at some point that he’s doing it.
Its hard to do that in something that isn't written
And he should point that out to people. I’m fairly certain most people didn’t even catch it.
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Yea...I got you.
I got momentarily disoriented. Trying to make multiple arguments at the same time taxes my simple mind.
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I cant tell who has replied to who now.
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so that's what that's for.
"When you use those words, `mystique’ and `aura,’ those are dancers in a night club. Those are not things we concern ourselves on the ball field." - Curt Schilling on if the Yankees mystique and aura would affect the Diamondbacks in the 2001 World Series.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 5, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Ehhhhh
People quote partial documents and partial statements all the time in speeches – nobody ever stops to say “by the way I’m excluding x, y, z because blah blah blah.” I think it’s totally unfair to expect that. I could easily find GOP speeches that have paraphrased bible verses or founding documents and never specifically acknowledged that they were doing it.
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You probably could.
And I’d take issue with them too.
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Yeah but that matters.
I think this is mostly a created story by places like Fox News to raise questions about Obama’s religious ties. Unless of course you were watching the speech live and noticed him leaving out the words “their Creator”?
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I did watch the speech and noticed it there.
Also, I rarely, if ever, watch any form of TV news.
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no, he didn't.
show me video of that. everything i’ve seen has had him leaving out several other words as well. e.g., “that among these are”, etc.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
glad somebody else was watching
it seemed highly unlikely to me that he quoted it perfectly except for those two words.
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And frankly I care who it alienates.
Why do we have to blindly repeat things that people wrote 200 years ago if it alienates somebody? It’s not any of the substance of the document. It’s frill language that really doesn’t matter.
Slavery is part of our history too…there’s plenty of things we’ve done that we’re not proud of and don’t shove in people’s faces any longer.
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He's alienated me by not saying it.
He’s alienated everyone who actually believes in what it means. And abandon the worthless? Are you actually being serious? Who let you or Obama decide what is worthwhile or worthless in that document?
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lol come on man.
He’s not deleting it from the fucking document! He’s CHOOSING not to say it himself when he quotes it. Gigantic difference. And quite frankly the person who is delivering whatever speech they are delivering is perfectly capable of deciding what parts of whatever document they want to quote are worthwhile or worthless for their purposes. I can say whatever I want and you can say whatever you want – one of the things that makes this country great.
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Okay...that still doesn't pass the fact that he alienated me by not saying it.
Your entire argument has been based on the fact that he removed it as to not alienate people.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I think the “alienation by lack of words that are offensive to other people” is a pretty hard case to make.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Alright, I'm bowing out of this debate
I have to mentally prepare myself for the fact that a pink Phillies jersey is going to soon by in my apartment.
LOL
"When you use those words, `mystique’ and `aura,’ those are dancers in a night club. Those are not things we concern ourselves on the ball field." - Curt Schilling on if the Yankees mystique and aura would affect the Diamondbacks in the 2001 World Series.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 5, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh heh heh.
Have fun?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I'm a Christian
Sure, I’ve got no proof that America is in fact a Christian nation, but I’ve got reason to believe certain documents might take a Christian spin. Obama removing those words removes that evidence. That’s alienating me to avoid alienating some other person.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
He removed them from the document?????
Holy shit why didn’t you say so. I’ve got serious problems with that. Oh wait…he didn’t?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
You know damned well what I meant.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
But that's exactly my point.
The document isn’t changing – the history isn’t changing.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
But ignoring some of it...and that's exactly what he did
is ignoring history and, as many people look up to him, encouraging others to do the same.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
So...
and I’m really just trying to understand this, does that mean that any time anybody talks about US history they have to cover every single thing that happened or was written? There can never be any paraphrasing? Never any summarizing? Never any rewording?
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Summarizing and paraphrasing are completely different.
You could easily “summarize” the lines Obama used. “Our Creator” probably wouldn’t be there. He quoted the EXACT line minus the two words. He was NOT paraphrasing or summarizing.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Ehhh
A rephrasing of a text or passage in another form or other words.
Seems like dropping a couple words that don’t impact the substance would fit that definition.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Paraphrasing generally involves using your own words
Not using all but two of the other person’s words.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
That definition doesn't say anything about "your own words"
just another form or other words. Dropping two words sure seems to be another form – it’s not the same form certainly.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
So I could take a book you've written and copy it
But leave out two words and its not copying? Its paraphrasing?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
In a speech where it's clear your quoting?
Sure. Whether or not it’s copying doesn’t matter as long as you attribute it.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
again,
i challenge you to show video of this. there were other lines he referred to with words omitted.
or do you just want to leave those other lines out? in which case, you’re doing the exact same thing you accuse him of.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
A history...
which includes the wholesale destruction of at least one ethnic group, the official enslavement of another, and a propencity to deny people rights until they literally take to the streets.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H.L. Mencken
by TerroristFistJab on Oct 6, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Its also not apparent that the declaration is referring definitively
to any Christian notion of the Creator, especially since several of the drafters were decidedly not Christian.
That isn't the point.
What’s the point of misquoting the Declaration of Independence?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
I obviously do.
I really don’t get it and I’d love to hear his explanation of it.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
before I even follow this thread below this statement,
I’l say that’s a fabrication.
Obama was never quoting the DOI, he was referring to it—at most, paraphrasing. He left out several words OTHER than “our Creator” as well.
If you choose to describe him as quoting the document instead of referring to it, you are either
a) willfully ignoring the difference between a paraphrase and a quotation; or
b) holding forth on something when you haven’t actually checked the facts.
Either way, you’re not engaging in the exact kind of critical thinking we’re talking about here. More like parroting another Rush Limbaugh created “controversy”.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
of course the media picked up on them
they were widely reported.
the difference is, he had a 36-year career of senate accomplishments that were also part of his narrative. she didn’t.
"I put a pepper rub on the scallops so you have a little contrast. You have sweetness from the coconut oil and little acidity from the splash of lemon." – Luke Scott
Biden’s gaffes were out of the news cycle in a day. Palin’s gaffes were talked about endlessly. Prior employment shouldn’t matter. Saying idiotic things should draw equal attention in a presidential election when committed by candidates.
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
Biden gaffes were out of the news in a day
because nobody gives a shit about Biden. He is a career politician who unsuccessfully ran for president a few times. He makes a serviceable VP, but he is a very unremarkable human being. He has been known for a long time to be someone who said stupid stuff from time to time… the news that he said something stupid won’t sell newspapers or win airtime.
Everything that Palin does is interesting. You might love her, you might hate her, but you are going to give a shit when she opens her mouth, when she accepts 20,000 dollars to speak at a public university in California, when she tweets about the liberal writer who moved in next door, when her daughter re-unites with her ex-boyfriend for two weeks. I read all of those articles… I don’t think I have ever opened an article with the word Biden in the title.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
Biden gaffes were out of the news in a day because nobody gives a shit about Biden.
At the time, he was the VP candidate. The media pays attention by that fact alone.
the news that he said something stupid won’t sell newspapers or win airtime.
Yes, that I agree with and that’s not really fair, but whatever.
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
Exactly
The news that Palin said something stupid sold thousands (if not more) newspapers and tabloids. Not to mention it was all over the internet.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Yes, the media had to pay attention because he
was the VP candidate… but that doesn’t mean that the people that read the news had to care. They did report everything stupid that he said, but like you said, those stories got buried because no one read them. The media was all over Obama in a positive way, and McCain needed someone to make a splash. Obama chose a boring VP candidate so that it wouldn’t deflect his rising media stardom and McCain didn’t because he needed to catch lightning in a bottle. I think they both made good choices for what they needed at the time.
Now, 2 years later, their personalities still lead to more attention being paid to Palin, even though he is a heartbeat away from running the country. Palin is still everywhere… The good (her ability to endorse a candidate and influence republican primaries), the bad (taking tax payer money to speak at a college and then not divulging the terms of the contract), and the ugly (every time Levi Johnston does anything stupid to get on TV).
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
I don't believe that's why McCain picked Palin
but that could just be me.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
That's the way I've read it described by people in
the McCain camp… that he was set to name a mainstream republican, and at the last minute went with Palin because he was falling behind in polls and needed to make a splash, and that he didn’t do much vetting. Of course, many McCain staffers are just bitter, so who knows.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
yes, i agree
I thought Palin was a great choice for McCain. He wanted someone to appeal to his religious wing of the Repub party and Palin fit that bill. She reinvigorated his campaign and brought in more votes than prevented votes. She’s a moron but that’s politics.
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
It definitely prevented him from landing any centrists though.
I think Obama probably would have gotten them anyway, but she sealed that deal.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
theoretically
McCain was suppose to pull in the centrists.
I've been playing baseball since I was six years old, so that's 40 years I've been on a baseball field and around a baseball field, and so our opinions are formulated through facts, not fiction, not their little chat room jargon.
Again
as I said below I think there’s a huge difference between the occasional gaffe by an otherwise smart guy who has a problem controlling his mouth and a woman who literally doesn’t have anything intelligent to say.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
There's a difference between stupidity (Palin) and gaffes (Biden).
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
Eh....the folks most commonly voicing political views here lean left.
If you look at the previous arguments, its like 2 of us arguing against all the lefties.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
that's just part of living in this area
If we were on the Rangers blog I bet it would be different. But obviously there is some dissent or we’d never discuss anything.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I am in weird way in politics
I split the middle, some things im fiercely republican on, others im much more liberal.
Brief examples are:
Dem:
Pro Choice – thats a persons right to decide, not anyone else’s
Gay Marraige – again It doesnt hurt anyone, Really its not my business what they do behind closed doors, They should get the same rights as any married couple
Repub:
Pro gun – Guns are only dangerous in the hands of criminals and idiots, Gun control wont stop gun crime.
Pro land use: I have a Jeep, I like to offroad, Responsible land use can keep public land open for use, we dont need to close it all down.
Global warming is much the same, dont really believe its been proved one way or another
Other:
Religion – Again my business not yours;. America is not a “Christian Nation” despite what some do think. I am not terribly religious, but most closely align myself with Wiccan. The “Witch” religion that the Tea Party candidate had something to do with.
One thing I have learned is to not debate it over the internet, If I meet you all in person one day and we can have a discussion over some fine brews or cold Juice. Where we all can know we are not attacking one another.
I would add kids to the list of people who guns are dangerous in the hands of.
And don’t you sort of have an issue with the GOP’s stance on gun control? My impression is they would have serious problems with a proposal to limit gun ownership among idiots. lol
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
oh I disagree with it of course
but to me its a lesser of 2 evils deal
If it was up to me we’d go back to swords
Well Glee has gone from "epic" to religious.
Weird. I think this might be the first Glee episode I might turn off, depending on how religious it is.
"When you use those words, `mystique’ and `aura,’ those are dancers in a night club. Those are not things we concern ourselves on the ball field." - Curt Schilling on if the Yankees mystique and aura would affect the Diamondbacks in the 2001 World Series.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 5, 2010 6:21 PM EDT reply actions
They fucked with Billy Joel
they are on my shit list.
Also, do people actually think any of that music isn’t painstakingly digitally retouched? It’s fucking horrible. I never heard it before tonight, and they don’t even try to hide it. The voices don’t even sound human.
"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower
Umpire Jerry Crawford waves to the crowd when introduced before his final regular-season baseball game in a 34-year career, between the Baltimore Orioles and the Detroit Tigers Sunday. (AP Photo/Gail Burton)
So that’s why he was signing autographs.
"When you use those words, `mystique’ and `aura,’ those are dancers in a night club. Those are not things we concern ourselves on the ball field." - Curt Schilling on if the Yankees mystique and aura would affect the Diamondbacks in the 2001 World Series.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 5, 2010 6:27 PM EDT reply actions
Adam Jones on MLBTV
In a few minutes, allegedly.
Those are some Kojiculous sideburns. Son of Sam Horn commenter, 08/31/10
If it indented anymore it'd be a word per line
This
would
get
annoying
wouldn’t
you
agree?
"When you use those words, `mystique’ and `aura,’ those are dancers in a night club. Those are not things we concern ourselves on the ball field." - Curt Schilling on if the Yankees mystique and aura would affect the Diamondbacks in the 2001 World Series.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 5, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
True, very true.
I think I’m going to bow out because I have to get up really early tomorrow! Good night everyone.
P.S. Stacey you’re right. I’m getting a front row seat to a twisted-O’sFan21 argument.
I'm back. YAY SUMMER!
See?
And here you thought they didn’t exist. Only in the offseason.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
OF and Twisted, where either of you in debate club?
"When you use those words, `mystique’ and `aura,’ those are dancers in a night club. Those are not things we concern ourselves on the ball field." - Curt Schilling on if the Yankees mystique and aura would affect the Diamondbacks in the 2001 World Series.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 5, 2010 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
Negatory
I do, however, drink beer. It works wonders on teh argument tendencies.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Nope
I love a good debate though. Fiance thinks I should consider law school because of it.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
I love a good debate though. Fiance thinks I should consider law school because of it.
Do you also enjoy piles and piles of menial paperwork? Then sign right up!
Et tu, BSF?
What am I, chopped liver? Or have I officially posted myself into “one of those people” territory now? :P
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
OsFan and I have a storied history.
We’re kinda like the Yankees of arguments.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
True.
I suppose compared to you two, any history I have is like the Rays’, at best.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -- Earl Weaver
Shit...yea
We don’t fucking buy every player in baseball. They had better not win the fucking WS this year.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
And we damn sure
don’t bitch about Guts hitting our guys when our own pitcher leads the world in HBP.
Rub some $100 bills on it, you sell-out. -duck
"leads the world"
ahahaha….that one’s good.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
My z button is going on strike because it feels overworked.
"When you use those words, `mystique’ and `aura,’ those are dancers in a night club. Those are not things we concern ourselves on the ball field." - Curt Schilling on if the Yankees mystique and aura would affect the Diamondbacks in the 2001 World Series.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 5, 2010 9:38 PM EDT reply actions
Hahahahah
Dwayne Wade is already injured. Realllllly hoping Miami sucks this year.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
Seriously?
Failpoloza.
"When you use those words, `mystique’ and `aura,’ those are dancers in a night club. Those are not things we concern ourselves on the ball field." - Curt Schilling on if the Yankees mystique and aura would affect the Diamondbacks in the 2001 World Series.
by BaltimoreSportsFan on Oct 5, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I really liked LeBron and watching him made me want to watch the NBA again...
And then he decided to become the biggest dill-hole in history… and then tell us we are racists for seeing him for what he really is. I should have known with the whole Yankees cap thing.
"Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand.."
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